Nuclear Sabotage In Iran?

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Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:18 | 484117 RichardP
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Interesting to see this.  About 18 months ago I saw an administration spy type talking with Charlie Rose.  Charlie tried to draw him into a discussion about bombing Iran.  The guest's calm and coherent and detailed response was that there was no need to bomb the facilities - because it was easier to influence the producers of the parts for the nuclear facilites.  The guest stated firmly, did not speculate, that the nuclear facilities issue would be properly dealt with by making certain that defective parts were incorporated into the facilities buildouts.  I was surprised that he was saying such a thing publicly, as it would give Iran unnecessary notice to be careful with its suppliers.  It occured to me that he was sowing misinformation.  Maybe not.  This is is the first time since then I have seen anything coroborating what the guest said.  (I can't remember his name or position held - other than it was intelligence-related.)

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:30 | 484156 carbonmutant
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Well, that and a little black ops...

Fri, 07/23/2010 - 03:36 | 485016 Testicular Cancer
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They put a computer virus in some printer that took down most of the Iraqi air defense in the first Gulf War. They probably did something similar.

Another thought in a similar vein. You know, selling American weapons to unfriendly countries has its advantages. We know how to circumvent our own equipment!

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Fri, 07/23/2010 - 10:28 | 485242 TBT or not TBT
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The iranian scientists could themselves choose to subtly sabotage the operation.

German scientists working on the failed and misdirected Nazi A-bomb project did the same, in order to deny the regime the weapon.

In any case, it is unlikely the scientists and engineers working on this are incompetent, if the Iranian engineers or scientists working in the United States are anything to go by.  

And let's keep in mind that the U.S. succeeded with its very first U-235 based bomb test over Hiroshima in 1945, 65 frickin' years ago.    Yeah, the U-235 based bomb was never tested before being used as a weapon.  That's how sure they were it would work, in frickin 1945.   It's not that hard.   Science and engineering tools they didn't have yet in the 1940's...couldn't have yet because the transistor and a dozen other inventions weren't existing yet....are ordinary over the counter stuff now, even for the triggers and timing and shaped explosives needed for the much more difficult plutonium bomb type that every advanced nuclear power uses.   Plutonium is a hell of a lot easier to isolate and purify once you have the means of producing it (breeder reactor, or gift, or black market purchase).   Maybe Iran has some bombs based on that, for what it worth, and the U-235 purification story is misdirection.   At that point, they'd have no need of keeping all the centrifuges busy.   Just a thought, while we are being paranoid ZH nutters.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:13 | 484121 Dr. No
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I cant stand it I know you planned it.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 19:49 | 484677 themosmitsos
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you've got all sorts of proper training, don'tcha? you've got mucho macho, don'tcha? :p ;)

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:22 | 484130 Popo
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Crappy diagram. Probably intentional, for security reasons.  Btw -- the diagram shown above isn't really a standard gas centrifuge, but a Zippe centrifuge, which was the model used in Pakistan by A.Q. Khan.  The oval paths which the diagram makes no effort to describe are the Zippe's heat-convection currents caused from a heat-source down below which they also forgot to mention -- this moves the slurry up the sides of the cent casing.  ...And the "bottom" scoop pulls from the central axis not the perimeter as shown. 





Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:23 | 484136 Dr. No
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Here come the black helicopters.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:25 | 484145 Popo
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Nothing you can't learn in any library... or wikipedia for that matter....

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:44 | 484187 Dantzler
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Thanks, I was puzzling over that graphic as well...

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:10 | 484258 Cincitucky
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Your commoner won't question the diagram.  They'll believe its contents only because its distributed by a major publisher.

Example of those rusty wheels grinding in their head via Facebook:

"Yo dawg chx out dis news about Iran buildin Nux...  Dooches, Im's all bout it to NUX 'em wit A-bmbs up the a$$."

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:35 | 484318 Monkey Craig
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well said

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:23 | 484141 Mactheknife
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"Damn, dis nuclear engineering chit is hard."

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:25 | 484147 Cognitive Dissonance
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I wonder why no one talks about Israel's stockpile of nuclear material or efforts to enrich or build bombs and delivery devices? I mean, we don't wish to see the Middle East region destabilized by the introduction of nuclear weapons, do we? I'm curious why no one in the MSM is discussing this obvious double standard.

Just askin'

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:31 | 484157 Popo
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If we're worried about proliferation -- let's remember the single most important fact:  Pakistan *is* a proliferator.  They gave the tech to North Korea *and* Iran.   Why be concerned with what might happen?  Pakistan is already doing it.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:48 | 484198's picture

US Secretary of State Clinton unveils Pakistan aid

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has announced a raft of new Pakistan aid projects worth $500m (£328m).

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:58 | 484221 Commander Cody
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We assist in the proliferation provided by Pakistan.  Any questions?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:32 | 484160 Overleveraged_a...
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Israel = good guys

Iran = bad guys

MSM would need us not know further

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:57 | 484220 BobWatNorCal
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Isreal/good guys,  Iran/bad guys. Sure.

Also, Israel has bomb, has not used it.

Iran does not have bomb, asserts it will use it.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:01 | 484233 ozziindaus
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Iran has never claimed to want a bomb. And as for obliterating Israel, see this.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:23 | 484283's picture

Iran does not have bomb, asserts it will use it.


Do you have any documentation to support that accusation other than the often  misquoted statement by Mr. Imadinnerjacket?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:33 | 484164 Max Hunter
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Well CD.. that's the first time I can say I think you are lying.. You don't "wonder why".. we both know the answer to your posed anomaly.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:44 | 484189 Cognitive Dissonance
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Oops, forgot the <sarcasm> tag. :>)

So does sarcasm count as lying?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:56 | 484216 Nihilarian
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Do tell...

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:07 | 484247 Max Hunter
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LOL..  do you have any idea how many people would rather you did not reply with that?..

AIPAC... there you go.. That will keep you busy for a while..  It's just a warm up though..

Kinda like the "golden rule".. those with the gold, make the rules.. goldman?? silverstein??  stuff like that.. :>)

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:01 | 484335 Nihilarian
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With that logic you can conclude that a Jew sunk the Titanic.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 18:17 | 484521 Max Hunter
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and with that logic, you may appeal to idiots.. But not to people that are well informed using objectivity and suppressed incredulity.

Fri, 07/23/2010 - 05:05 | 485024 luigi
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OTOH, "Iceberg" doesn't exactly sound like an arian name...

Sat, 07/24/2010 - 02:06 | 486544 RichardP
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Wasn't there some arian singer with white hair named "Ice"?  Maybe short for "Iceberg"?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:07 | 484248 almost_have_a_name
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The number of people that died before the atom bomb was invented, on a yearly basis, was 10 times the number we have today. Atom's for peace, really. 

There is another motive, besides peace, to exclude them from the thunder-stick club.



Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:30 | 484301 DosZap
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Simple, with over 400 known Tactical Nukes,(we know of) that they have had for YEARS, besides, Izzy would never use them, unless it were a matter of SURVIVAL.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:59 | 484369 bonddude
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Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:14 | 484397 hangemhigh
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Yo, we be pumpin' up the jam with them AshkeNazic Nukes, Bitches..............

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:26 | 484148 carbonmutant
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I'm a sucker for infographics...

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:33 | 484307 Cognitive Dissonance
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So is that how your wife/husband snagged you?

carbonmutant's spouse: "Dear, look at these pretty infographics." (Checks that carbonmutants eyes have rolled back into head) "Now sign these marriage licenses here and here and here. And the pre-nup giving me everything you own, sign here and here." :>)

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:01 | 484374 carbonmutant
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I believe there was some engraving involved...

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:43 | 484184 Tarheel
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i bet that chart increased the Iranians knowledge tenfold

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:46 | 484186 Segestan
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Iran can't build thier own oil refineries without western genius,  let alone develop nuclear devices. It is the western innovative genius and knowhow,  that has brought the rest of the world out of darkness. This is why China has one million working in industry as spies,  in just Germany.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:53 | 484208's picture

"The world" has been "brought out of darkness" many times in the course of human history. There was a time when the Persians brought the world out of darkness and there was a time when China brought the world out of darkness.

The west seems curiously bent on plunging the world into darkness these days.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:22 | 484278 Heavy
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Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:34 | 484314 DosZap
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"The west "seems curiously bent on plunging the world into darkness these days".

Not really, JUST the WEST into darkness..................nada curious about it, when you see the playa's, and know the End Game.




Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:08 | 484251 cyberseer
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wtf are you talkinga bout? Persia is the country which gave Europe the Reneissance. Do some reading will you?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:28 | 484297 Canoe Driver
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  Sorry, but there is very little "western genius" left, and some of the smartest people in American engineering programs, at top ten universties, are Iranian.  I, in case you are prone to drawing reactionary conclusions, am not.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:46 | 484193 Pez
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They were asking for Yellow cake! YELLOW CAKE I tell ya! (for their kids birthday).

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:54 | 484199 Pez
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FT= They have people every where = MI6 and 7/8ths = disinformation

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:06 | 484224 Pez
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LOL! Qty needed  = 30,000,000. Oh and about a dozen crystal skulls.


Send to:

Ahma Dinnerjacket

Uraniumville, Iran

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:09 | 484253 almost_have_a_name
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