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All thirty three boiling water reactors share the same spent fuel pool design--- well, fuck me mother. That's not a "design" that's a piece of in-exusable stupidity that was approved by the NRC. If you want to get mad at somebody, get mad at your federal government; please. they deserve it. I can't stand to think about this any longer so I'm signing off; bye now.
there's nothing wrong with that pool design; it wasn't designed to be a PERMANENT STORAGE repository for spent fuel rods.
It's like using cinder blocks for a jackstand
Yes but even when they're not permanent, you have hot nuclear fuel sitting without containment for up to 6 years until they're ready for dry storage. It is a design flaw, not with the pool itself, but with the idea that you wouldn't give it some sort of even minimal containment.
Long term storage issues?
I thought that was already addressed in the form of turning radioactive waste into weapons & spraying them over 3rd world countries?
I see some don't appreciate dark humor. Oh well, you can't please everyone.
Can we please stop mentioning this Japan earthquake/nuclear disaster non-story.
It is now a month post this event and you can clearly see than the S&P 500 and DOW are at higher levels than BEFORE the 'disaster'.
This means all is well, got it? Am i surrounded by imbeciles or something... are you lot dense? Which part don't you get?
We congratulate the DOW and S&P500 for their outstanding expertise in nuclear physics and engineering.
What would we do without these 2 pillars of superhuman wisdom?
rumor is "their expertise is in reverse engineering and not engineering per se. (italics possibly added--but that's i think how they put it so there.)" now "you go get the help to clean up than thingermagoooey."
I don't know about these 2 pillars of superhuman wisdom but in the true Us tradition of dealing fairly with whistle blowers
George Galatis will probably be stripped and locked up like Bradley Manning just in case he "harms himself":-(
Standard Safety Protocol
Substitute spent fuel rods with derivatives regulation and criminal characters on wall st. and DC, situation IS worse than Great Depression.
what was number 5 again? a "what" again?
Truly truly amazing, eventually we may have our Fuchishima problem.
And you all thought your criminals were just in banking, Wall street and the mafia......
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Republican lawmakers on Thursday pressed the Obama administration on its decision to stop work on a permanent nuclear waste storage site inside Yucca Mountain, Nevada, launching a formal probe and grilling the nuclear regulator on Capitol Hill.
"Nobody likes to spend $12 billion and see it washed down the toilet," he said, referring to the amount of money Congress has spent so far on the Yucca project.
Republican BS. The objection to Yucca Mountain in Nevada is coming from the insurance companies. Start with Yucca Mountain. Draw concentric circles. Eventually you come to a structure, a property holding, a shopping mall. There's an insurance company bearing all the risk if something goes wrong, and with nuclear waste, something always goes wrong.
The idea of safety I like is you don't need Yucca Mountain. You figure out the top 10 people who are going to profit, and you bury the nuclear waste in their basement. Then you know what safe really means.
I'm all for Jack Welch, Karl Rove, and Rush Limbaugh going to Japan and reporting from right in front of the reactors. That they haven't is all I need to know about Fukushima.
No one thought of that before spending $12billion?
You are full of shit.
So, the insurance companies will cover the pools, but not a mountain in the desert?
Give me a break you Dem retard.
And I'll repost: pressed the Obama administration on its decision to stop work on a permanent nuclear waste storage...
Since you seem too stupid to have absorbed it the first time.
You, lame, lying crap weasel.
In addition to your astute assessment of the hero's condition, might I add that insurance companys already take exception to liabilities caused by nuclear accidents and attacks. Check your homeowner's policy to verify.
Paying claims would be bad for business.
THANK YOU SENATOR REID OF NEVADA, for preventing use of the Yucca Mountain facility that was designed and built over decades to store used nuclear fuel rods. Thanks to your selfless defense of an empty mountain in NV, we ALL can look forward to our own exposure to nuclear hazards!
If there ever was a case for TREASON and MALFEASANCE, Dingy Hairy is it!
Why is it you always assasinate the wrong people?
(1) You are mistaken - I have not assassinated anyone.
(2) The blame for this rests squarely in Senator Reid's shoes - he represents NV, and in particular was responsible for delaying, denying and finally defeating the operating permits for Yucca Mtn. repository - I live next door in Utah, and had a good view of it from here. His "concern" that Yucca Mtn. was improperly designed was not due to any background as a nuclear engineer or designer - it came from his "NIMBY" supporters in Las Vegas, who raised all kinds of spurious claims that it would contaminate groundwater, and so forth.
(3) An empty mountain in NV would seem to be the IDEAL place to put nuclear waste, if you are not going to reprocess it - thank you, JIMMY CARTER for preventing that rational plan to deal with it. Since Carter denied reprocessing (and no one since has had the good sense to re-investigate it), we are stuck with storing it - and since Reid defeated the permits for Yucca Mtn., the rods sit in pools around the country, instead of in a secure facility DESIGNED TO HOLD THEM. Did you read the article above? Are you happy knowing that lots of rods sit all around the country, near LOTS of metropolitan areas instead of out in a desert inside a mountain?
Harry Reid will be responsible for the assassination of THOUSANDS or MILLIONS, unless you want to blame Carter for preventing a rational solution to the problem. Political payoffs are a bitch - when they make YOU glow in the dark.
ironically President Carter really was a nuclear expert. And "he was President when we had our biggest nuclear crisis."
Never trust the MFM.
According to the Naval Historical Center, LT Carter was honorably discharged from the US Navy on October 8, 1953 so that he could return home to care for the family farm. He had only started his nuclear power training on March 1, 1953. The training, in those very early days of the Navy’s nuclear program before the start up of Navy training courses, was conducted at civilian colleges, and Union College was one of the locations. However, it was definitely not a place where one could earn a master’s degree in nuclear engineering in just 7 months. That is especially true when you understand a bit about the Navy and realize that LT Carter probably did not do too much studying after he found out that his father had passed away in July 1953. (Leaving the Navy is not as simple as walking out the door.)
And to think that all these years I've wondered how a nuclear enginer could be so dense.
Of course you're right. The creators of nuclear waste and those who profit from its power are not at all to blame for not having a good place to store it. That's all Harry's fault and those damn NIMBY's and Eco Frauds.
How soon we forget. The Eco Frauds were opposed to ANY nuke plants until the storage solution was found. The profiteers and religious wing nut faction of the Republican Party who don't give a damn about what happens on our children's watch (their children will be long taken in the Rapture) successfully allowed plants to be built with storage solutions to come "later".
Well, now is later. So while I bring you up short on your facile view of Harry, you are essentially correct: almost ANYWHERE would be a better storage solution than next to active plants that are prime terrorist targets.
My vote is either Yucca or a couple of miles deep in the Pacific Trench. But do something NOW!
Why are you ignoring reprocessing?
So-called "spent" nuclear fuel still has much useful uranium in it - which can be recaptured in a "reprocessing" scheme. Basically, you have to grind up the pellets, leach them out with acid, concentrate the useful uranium into new pellets and find a place to put the thorium, plutonium or whatever else until it decays. The VOLUME reduction from "spent rod" to "radioactive waste" is a decrease of A HUNDREDFOLD or more.
Yes, the residuals are more toxic than the spent fuel - but they can be encapsulated in glass, or stored in other ways because the reduced volume generates less heat - but such details as those don't matter to you, or to anyone else stuck in a NIMBY mindset; ALL nuclear waste is fearful, unmanageable DEATH to Gaia, or whatever environmental deity you're worshipping at the moment.
The Environmental Fundamentalist Religionists were NOT just opposed to any nuke plants UNTIL THE STORAGE SOLUTION WAS FOUND - they were opposed to them AT ALL, anywhere, under any circumstances. Gaia must be protected - and WE know how to protect her!
But I see no point in blaming the industry - back when these plants were on the drawing boards, they might have foreseen a viable reprocessing plant SOMEWHERE in America; before Jimmy Carter stopped any consideration of it, and all environmentalists since then have screamed bloody murder at the thought of new nuclear facilities of any kind.
I am not at all "brought up short on my facile view of Harry", as you put it - he is as opportunistic, short-sighted and CORRUPT as any other politician. Nor am I Democratic or Republican - they have both sold us out in so many ways it's impossible to count them all.
Ironic, really; more nuclear power might have saved the lives of quite a few coal miners, invalids with emphysema and tuberculosis and "black lung", and prevented the emission of quite a bit of mercury (by-product of coal burning) into the air, to be breathed by us all. In the last few years, the environmental fundamentalist religion has finally figured that out, and in order to protect Gaia are now SUPPORTING nuclear power, in some instances.
But yes, do something NOW - re-consider reprocessing, and use Yucca Mtn. to store whatever is left over - would probably be sufficient for centuries, until we discover even better ways to generate power with less waste of any kind.
Thank you for the thoughtful post. It was well said. Milestones
you're more than welcome - "thoughtful" is at least one of my goals! Also, informative, mildly entertaining, useful......
yeah...watch that Cobalt Coal show on Spike or whatever. Talk about inbred hillbillies. They run over the power cord for the coal cutting machine it seems like almost daily and emerge from the mine with soot-covered faces. Not a great life but they sho is dumb.
Gaia worshippers should worship in the dark. No electricity.
Look up the rad waste problems from reprocessing. They are immense.
Hanford, Savannah River. Hanford is the biggest and most costly Superfund site in America.
Reid is the reason I'm boycotting Vegas. They re-elected the worm.
easy there tiger. "when the Apocalypse finally comes" i know where I'm headin'.
Just about 100 miles north of Yucca in the last week
Hmm. Look on 4/11
about 10+ earthquakes a couple days ago in Nevada, 4.0 the biggest one.(so far)
How about we find one of those Tectonic subduction zones like the 7 mile deep maranis trench and have it subducted back inside?
Google images of Subduction Zones
You have to admit the tsunami danger is minimal in Nevada.
Perhaps a combination approach?
(2) Encase waste in glass (prevent leaching into seawater if unsuccessful)
(3) Drop in Marianas Trench
(4) Install Geiger counters to track any "shipments" that are "diverted" instead of subducted
That might work; but geologic processes aren't my specialty; any takers?
Dump it all in Detroit, it's not like anyone will notice or care!!!
whistleblower? WTF...I have been saying the same thing for 4 weeks now!
DOE's paper that I repeatedly cited studied this exact accident scenario.
The complete abdication of responsibility for decisionmaking on permanent repositories for nuke waste is what is the "timebomb" and it bit Japan totally in the ass. This accident would have been FAR easier to deal with had they not had this can kicked by government for 50 years.
I think the wisleblowing part is about the 1992 memo.
"...I have been saying the same thing for 4 weeks now"
When this started some nitwit rube bragging to the effect that 'Our' waste was being managed properly in Yucca Mountain.
People hear sound byte news clips and piece together a reality that was never said.
Yes, we have a mountain,
NO we haven't put a thing in it.
Like you I informed him that each reactor site has TONS and TONS literally that are in various places all around the site.
55 gallon drum sized containers with low level waste, 'Ponds' and 'Swimming pools' filled with spent rods,
.... Just 'Waiting' for that mythical 'Someday' when they will be transfered to that mythical location where they will 'Permanently' be stored for 10,000-20,000 years.
'We are just humans and Reality is WAY above our heads"
Collectively, We're playing WAY above our heads with our technology.
oh yes, they do the same damn thing here that the japanese were doing with the spent fuel rod storage. accident looking for a place to happen. shut them all down and get out of this business..........
Immediately? And replace 20% of the generating capacity in the US with what? And just walk away leaving spent fuel pools and dry storage facilities at every plant while pretending there "might" be a solution down the road? Wait for another blue ribbon panel to make recommendations that will be ignored? Its fun and easy to be an idealist, yipee! Not so much to be a realist with actual problems to solve.
This is an accurate article, as far as it goes. However, a great many other blatant frauds and fiascoes involving nuclear plant design, location and approval were also revealed by other nuclear engineers over the past several decades.
While nuclear power plants can probably be designed to be safe and still remain cost effective, the current designs are utterly and completely irresponsible in many ways, including those mentioned in the article.
The predators-that-be in the large corporations and government care zero about the consequences of their actions, especially in the world of today when they have absolute, total control of the so-called "legal system". Everyone involved in TEMCO and GE should be arrested, locked up, tried for fraud, criminal malfeasance and crimes against humanity, then hung (or better yet, imprisoned in reactor building 3 until nature and justice takes their course).
Does anyone know if there are nuclear facilities here in the US that have multiple reactors on the same site as are at the Fukishima plant site?
Why, yes - they usually get numbers, such as Indian Point #1 and Indian Point #2. It appears from a quick perusal of the NRC website that the highest number of reactors on one site is 3 - as in Florida's Oconee #3. (Note that there's also a Turkey Point #4, but no mention of T.P. 1&2 - they may have been shut down).
Three US plants have 3 operating reactors: 1) Palo Verde in Arizona, 2) Browns Ferrry in Alabama, and 3) Oconee in South Carolina. With applications under review by the NRC for additional plants to be added at existing sites, there is a possibility (remote in my view considering the economy and the lack of interest in financing anything worthwhile on Wall Street) that there may be a number of 4-unit sites in the future. Turkey Point 1 and 2 are fossil units, while 3 and 4 are nukes.
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