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NY AG Petitions NRC To Force Indian Point NPP To Meet Fire Rules

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According to Bloomberg, the New York Attorney General has petitioned the NRC to force Indian Point to meet fire rules (which probably means they were not meeting them before, and also confirms the NRC is another farce of a regulator). If this gains traction, and it will, watch for Indian Point to be offline shortly. So once Indian Point is shut down, will New York by on a 3 hours on 1 hour off rolling black out or 2 on 2 off? We should find out soon.

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Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:01 | 1108917 FranSix
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And they said buy the fucking Uranium because they have to keep the lights on.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:08 | 1108944 camaro68ss
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when the DOW dips watch for un anounced Rolling black outs to hult trading

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:17 | 1108982 nkktwotwozero
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Holy shit. HFT needs that power man!

Will anyone think of the high frequency algorithms please!?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:22 | 1109004 johnQpublic
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i'm sure they will burn money if thats what it takes to keep power to wallstreet and the dow trading

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:36 | 1109083 nkktwotwozero
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My dad worked two jobs to put money into the money fire!!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:23 | 1109020 Tulli
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Excuse my ignorance,

Is it normal, in a civilized country, that a nuclear power station HAS to be notified to meet existing rules regarding fire safety?

Should it not be a "given" fact that "of course" that they were all compliant since inception?

Its hard to grasp this reality.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:32 | 1109056 Confused
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One would think, but not at all surprising. There have been concerns about Indian Point over the years. Its a shame that it takes something like the incident in Japan to get people concerned about it. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 14:00 | 1109470 MachoMan
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It's just our nature...  boom/bust, boom/bust, fire and forget...  we can't see much past our noses and about everything within that range is subject to being eaten.  Pax Americana.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:37 | 1109090 nkktwotwozero
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Dude. It's fire safety at a nuclear plant.

Why worry?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 13:00 | 1109195 LiquidBrick
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 It's fire safety at a nuclear plant.

No such thing as "fire" safety when it comes to nuclear fission.  Fire is just what mere humans can detect/work with and is the consequence of an earlier and unpreventable catastrophic event.  Don't think in terms of fire-safety when it comes to nuclear.  The planet will become a man-made billiard ball if global events continue like this.

 

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:45 | 1109111 Widowmaker
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The only reality you need to grasp is that incorporation negates all rule of law, and nullifies individual accountability (no punishment) for decisions to break the law coming from individuals.

Do your own research to affirm (countless times).

Corporate crime is GOOD BUSINESS!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:13 | 1108930 jesus_quintana
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Awesome. That blackout schedule would mean five after-hours sessions to ramp every day. SPX to 36,000 by June! BTFD.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:08 | 1108936 alexanderstollznow
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it may well be that there is an issue here, but another relevant fact is that Attorney's General are elected, and are a special species of band wagon jumpers on any issue they see as assisting them personally in their forthcoming run for State Governor.  nowere is that more clearly expressed than in New York.   the fact that the AG is maintaining a law suit hardly proves that the NRC is a farce of a regulator.  just like the fact that i sue after i drop my own cup of coffee in my own lap, makes it McDonalds fault, or that i sue Toyota after i run into the back of a car, means that there accelerators are at fault.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:07 | 1108943 Herman Strandsc...
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Don't worry, a decent sized computer screen will give some illumination to a room.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:08 | 1108945 DollarMenu
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Maybe the AG will be Spitzered?

I think the power will be on for a while.

You can't underestimate the creativity of skittering cockroaches.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:48 | 1109137 nkktwotwozero
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>Maybe the AG will be Spitzered?
You mean given a show on CNN?

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Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:10 | 1108949 zeek
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...and all wind turbines soon to be shutdown due to "butterfly effect"...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:09 | 1108950 truont
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Way to keep on top of this one, NRC!

What in the hell to I pay federal taxes for??!!

So you can pretend to do what you're supposed to do?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:14 | 1108962 SilverRhino
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>> What in the hell to[sic] I pay federal taxes for??!!

A LOT of people are asking themselves that same question.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:49 | 1109132 Widowmaker
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You pay taxes so that the rich get record bonuses for being rich and the poor get handouts for being poor.

Handouts and bonuses can be used interchangably.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 14:02 | 1109477 MachoMan
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Two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:12 | 1108964 Conrad Murray
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Hang the bankers from the lamp posts and burn them for light!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:23 | 1109025 Horatio Beanblower
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You could add value by making them scented.  Lavender is quite popular these days. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:13 | 1108973 Wakanda
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No need to worry, the robot traders have diesel backup.  SPX to 36,000

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:21 | 1109003 nkktwotwozero
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Wakanda>No need to worry, the robot traders have diesel backup.

Probably hedged on the COMEX.

When that goes boom; takes down HFT diesel hedge with it.

Cascading failures. Fukushima all over again.

BTW: Why does NY AG hate Keynesian stimulus of meltdowns?

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Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:18 | 1108987 SparkyvonBellagio
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Well they radiated the Monstrously huge city of Tokyo, why not NYC next?

This world is going crazy.

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:35 | 1109073 nkktwotwozero
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>This world is going crazy.

Going? I thought we were here.

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Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:20 | 1109000 apberusdisvet
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So will the Northeast eventually go poof?  Apparently there are numerous problems at the Plymouth Ma site as well.  How will the Globalists survive without the UN, Harvard and MIT?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 14:04 | 1109489 MachoMan
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Considering the globalists have a monopoly on inherently knowing what's best for us, I'd say they'll figure out something...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:22 | 1109007 VogonPoet
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"will New York by on a 3 hours on 1 hour off rolling black out or 2 on 2 off"

not between the Battery and 96th St.

Manhattan Bitches.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:51 | 1109009 Threeggg
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OT   but very important

Over @ the RADNET, site levels are starting to ramp up big time. I suspect this system will be unavailable as it has been in the the middle of the trading day for the last week (wouldn't want to hurt the equities - right)

If you would like to check it out for yourself here are the links

https://cdxnode64.epa.gov/radnet-public/showMap.do

and the query history link

https://cdxnode64.epa.gov/radnet-public/query.do

as an example Colorado Springs from the map page.

Fixed Monitor Location: CO: COLORADO SPRINGS
Measurement Start Date/Time: 03/28/2011 10:30:06 AM
Measurement End Date/Time: 03/28/2011 11:30:14 AM
Beta Gross Count Rate (CPM): 282

and then from the query page for the last few hours:

2011-03-27 23:27:16 122.0000 2011-03-28 00:27:30 117.0000 2011-03-28 01:27:45 126.0000 2011-03-28 02:28:00 134.0000 2011-03-28 03:28:15 150.0000 2011-03-28 04:28:30 167.0000 2011-03-28 05:28:44 184.0000 2011-03-28 06:29:00 206.0000 2011-03-28 07:29:15 231.0000 2011-03-28 08:29:30 240.0000 2011-03-28 09:29:44 241.0000 2011-03-28 10:29:59 253.0000 2011-03-28 11:30:14 282.0000

I suspect the site to be down shortly, lets see if I am right.

Update @ 11:36 central : They have now disabled the query page "it says"- (A system error occured. Please try again or contact the helpdesk) Lets see how long it takes for the map interface page to go down now.

Update @ 11:20 central: Now they have shut down the map interface. It is returning an error of - (Monitor location can not be loaded at this time)

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:23 | 1109012 Careless Whisper
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Blackstone moves employees from Tokyo to Hong Kong.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-16/blackstone-bmw-respond-to-ja...

GoldmanSachs tells employees, if you leave Tokyo, you're fired!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42304574

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:45 | 1109123 nkktwotwozero
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>Blackstone moves employees from Tokyo to Hong Kong.

Best news Japan's had in years, neigh, decades.

 

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:22 | 1109016 blunderdog
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Electricity is overrated, anyway.  If there's no power, maybe instead of playing video games kids will pick up bricks and throw them through bank windows, or people who can't watch 'Merkin Idle will pick up autobiographies and letters of our greatest thinkers and forge a new libertarian paradise here.

Most of the population won't be able to afford electricity if we let the markets run anyway, so fuck the nukes.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:26 | 1109024 Caviar Emptor
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Indian Point : a cursed nuclear plant. Already struck by lightening which lead to the worst blackout in NYC history, this plant is old. It's perfectly situated to irradiate the NYC area for 50 years in case of "accident". And it's built on an old Indian burial ground. Spooky. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 13:18 | 1109277 WTFisThat
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Online Geiger counter located 15 miles south of the Indian blow me nuke plant:

http://www.aspnic.com/rad/

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 14:28 | 1109603 tweake
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I spent quite a bit of time skinnydipping in the abandoned quarry out back there. I think it's a cooling pond now. Anyway, the place looked OK to me. You can't beat experience you know. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:33 | 1109046 Ted K
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Hasn't there been some conjecture at least one of these Japanese reactors was shutdown when the tsunami occured?? and I believe it was the worst one, Fukushima.  Does shutdown really in actuality make people safer?  Maybe the idiotic public watching the morning shows of Cathy Lee and Hoda or other MSM garbage.....

I think the main idea here is if you're worried about Tsunamis, make sure the thing is constructed properly from the beginning and don't put the damn thing near the oceanside.  or a fault-line. This isn't as complex as people make it to be, it's just major companies taking shortcuts and shoddy construction work to cut costs, and regulators not holding them accountable for public safety, largely because regulators are punished when they actually perform the job of enforcement of safety.  

You can watch two videos on this, there may be 20 second commercials before the video starts, but worth the wait, very educational.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/03/15/exp.arena.mark1.nuc...

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/27/hancocks.japan.pressur...

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:45 | 1109126 Gunther
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There is more going on; this is an report about the site wher the plutonium for the bombs was made, Hanford.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,752944,00.html

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 13:36 | 1109353 Idisq
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I grew up in the tri-cities (dry-shitties as we used to refer to it).

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:54 | 1109169 prophet
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There is no amount of benefit that can outweigh the risk.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 13:11 | 1109223 Widowmaker
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That is a false correlation, benefit is moot, it is all about risk.  Risk pays, benefits do not.

You should be seeking the correlation of who (which nobody on ZH likes to talk about) and how much, which leads to why.

(and why no one wants to talk about it)

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 13:08 | 1109232 earnulf
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Back to the issue at hand, this is just another offshoot of a special investigation that showed the operator of many NPC's are saving millions of dollars by "stuffing" the spent fuel pool.    Summation: The NRC has been giving a wink and a nod to operators at many plants to pack their pools to the point where the potential for a disaster is significant.

 

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/local/article/The-spent-fuel-crisis-Region-s-nuclear-plants-1309964.php

 

Given that the NRC is allowing this build in spent fuel rods, we have at least 104 sites around the country that are ever growing pools for a nuclear "incident".    Just another legacy for our kids and grandkids, bless their three legs and four arms!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 13:18 | 1109268 ArsoN
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The alternative is to trasport and store it.  Hello NIMBY.  Hard to beat up the plants for storing the stuff on site when they're not given much realistic alternative. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 13:14 | 1109249 ArsoN
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Couple of weeks ago there was some former regulator on bloomberg radio saying that something like 2/3 of the plants out there do not meet fire safety standards.  The punch line was that everyone knows this and there's nothing the regulators can do to compel the plants to do anything differently.  Guess the state AG can help with that but still...  

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 21:05 | 1111009 Iam_Silverman
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They didn't specify which fire safety standards they feel the plant doesn't meet.

I'm sure that they meet the most restrictive, the "Browns Ferry" standard (10CFR50, Appendix R):

http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/cfr/part050/part050-appr.html

Maybe they are not in compliance with some new NFPA regulation.  Those could be as simple as not having your onsite fire brigade trained to some new fuel spill control standard.

Maybe they are not in compliance with some local standard, but in many cases they don't have to be due to extenuating circumstances.  Take for instance the requirement to have commercial buildings that could be occupied needing to have fire extinguishers on every level, spaced so far apart.  Well, as it turns out, you can have people in containment at power, but due to the construction of fire extinguishers, and their inherent missile hazards, they are removed when the unit is above Mode 4 (essentially, at Normal Operating Temperature/Pressure).  That would put them in violation of a code, but reinstalling them may violate their operating license.

 

Is there an article somewhere that is more specific as to what codes they are in violation of?

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