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Obama Begins "Lifestyle Health Modification" Program, Mandating Behavioural Changes Within US Society
Last week, with little fanfare, among the ever deteriorating oil spill crisis, the White House quietly noted the issuance of an executive order "Establishing the National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council", in which the president, citing the “authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America” is now actively engaging in "lifestyle behavior modification" for American citizens that do not exhibit "healthy behavior." At least initially, the 8 main verticals of focus will include: smoking cessation; proper nutrition; appropriate exercise; mental health; behavioral health; sedentary behavior; substance-use disorder; and domestic violence screenings. Eventually we fully anticipate that the program will also target such wholesome activities as screening for precious metal holdings, monthly minimum usage of available revolving credit (and a minimum threshold thereto) and the susceptibility of an individual to stay current on one's mortgage. Additionally, the president will establish yet another Advisory Group, composed of "experts" picked from the public health field, and one which tracks the successful uptake by the US population of the precepts for a better functioning society that the president deems important. Cosmo culture has just been adopted by the White House, where Big Brother is now in the business of counting calories, and soon, your bars of gold.
From the Executive Order, defining the duties of the Council:
Sec. 3. Purposes and Duties. The Council shall:
(a) provide coordination and leadership at the Federal level, and among all executive departments and agencies, with respect to prevention, wellness, and health promotion practices, the public health system, and integrative health care in the United States;
(b) develop, after obtaining input from relevant stakeholders, a national prevention, health promotion, public health, and integrative health-care strategy that incorporates the most effective and achievable means of improving the health status of Americans and reducing the incidence of preventable illness and disability in the United States, as further described in section 5 of this order;
(c) provide recommendations to the President and the Congress concerning the most pressing health issues confronting the United States and changes in Federal policy to achieve national wellness, health promotion, and public health goals, including the reduction of tobacco use, sedentary behavior, and poor nutrition;
(d) consider and propose evidence-based models, policies, and innovative approaches for the promotion of transformative models of prevention, integrative health, and public health on individual and community levels across the United States;
(e) establish processes for continual public input, including input from State, regional, and local leadership communities and other relevant stakeholders, including Indian tribes and tribal organizations;
(f) submit the reports required by section 6 of this order; and
(g) carry out such other activities as are determined appropriate by the President.
For some reason item (g) seems supiciously similar to the Goldman Sachs ethics waiver.
For a slightly less politically correct and slightly truthier interpretation of this latest invasion into individual privacy, Nanny State has the following opinion:
Whether you are a child, a parent, a worker, or retired, the President’s approximately 25-member “Advisory Group” will soon be present in every aspect of Americans’ lives, as the Executive Order prescribes. Specifically, our new so-called lifestyle behavior modification advisors will be actively carrying out the President’s orders in:
- worksite health promotion;
- community services, including community health centers;
- preventive medicine;
- health coaching;
- public health education;
- geriatrics; and
- rehabilitation medicine.
President Obama’s sweeping plan to enforce “lifestyle behavior modification” is chock full of open-ended target areas, especially when it comes to issues of “mental” and “behavioral” health, “proper nutrition,” “sedentary behavior,” and “appropriate exercise.” The President’s Executive Order is a blatant and forceful attempt to adjust the way Americans young and old think, behave, eat, drink and whatever else free will used to entitle our nation’s citizens to enjoy as prescribed by the Founding Fathers.
If you are feeling stressed-out, sad, confused, hungry, thirsty, bored, or tired, do you honestly trust President Obama and his “Advisory Group” to act in your best interests?
Way to go Rahm: yet another unprecedented ecological crisis used skillfully by the administration to pass a covert and some would say unconstitutional executive order. On the other hand, we asked some time ago just what is the constitution to a constitutional law professor? Gradually every person in America is starting to understand the very unpleasant answer to that question. Tangentially, we wonder if the president and the head of the House Financial Services Committee have kicked their respective tobacco/KFC habits yet.
h/t John
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thank you jerome...hope you have the opportunity to have this conversation with mayor gloomberg one day.
unscarred, the worst way to encourage most smokers to stop smoking is to denigrate them for smoking. as an ex-smoker, you should know that. but then, as an ex-smoker who's so vehemently anti-smoking, it's really not about us smokers is it? it's about you and the nicotine that still haunts your brain (and your insistent denial of such). i encourage you to come to peace with it so that you can be a more positive influence to us degenerates. i've found a session with an ayahuasco who also uses tobacco as medicine in the ceremony helps.
Check this out, Curly: You. got. hooked.
When your response includes "if you ever get out of your parents basement" it's time to put your tail between your legs and walk away. As for time, well you certainly made time to check back this morning, didn't you.
If you need to believe that I live in a delusional dream world to keep you happy with yourself, that's on you. As for my very real world, I'm gonna be thinking about you and your very real and very beautiful healthy wife during my leg workout, just before my conference call this afternoon with my business partners.
The sad thing is that we actually agree on more things than not. But you just had to make things personal didn't you, ass clown.
Studies have shown that smokers at work tend to work harder and are more productive because they treat work as obsessively as their addiction. So how much money was wasted by that exec spying on his employees. You are missing the whole point, health insurance SHOULD account for increased costs to the person who is unhealthy because of life style choices. It doesn't now.
So, now, mr fascist, only people who don't smoke can work? China would be out of jobs. Idiot, they produce more than we do and smoke like chimneys.
Studies also show that the average person, posting anonymous comments on random blogs have done very little personal investigation into the topics of which they opine, and are likely clueless to the empirical evidence that stands in front of their naive sentiment.
~ Mr. Fascist
Heh heh. Total pwnage.
I am Chumbawamba.
PWNAGE NOT! That has to be a Chumba impostor.
Kali has him has facedown on the genuius-CEO keeping footstep-metrics on his worker bees. (Not so much the obession-argument)
Unscarred is showing that his youthful idealism has been tainted by yet another of our broken systems. Welcome to the party!
Desperate for a scapegoat for the untenable situation he was easily convinced when a healthful coworker suggested it was due to the contemptible-lazy-fat person in the next cube. Scapegoat identified, Unscarred is now out to fix the system by purging it of the scapegoats.
Tidy.
In reference to your reply to a prior comment: What in Christ's worthless name makes you think I am FOR additional government intervention within our healthcare system?! All I'm talking about is personal accountability.
And as for idealism, where do you come up with that? All I want is to keep what's mine.
Right! Kali's day job is masturbating dingos in the outback. When he can get a wireless signal at all he posts obnoxious turds to blogs all night.
Uh, foreign support for the US is not waning because of our over-abundance of fat people, oh clueless one, but rather due to our poor foreign policy.
I am Chumbawamba.
i dont plan get jackshit from the government. When i get sick , i let it be. When its my time to go i want to go the indian way. Take my canoe into the ocean and dont come back. Saves funeral money too and gives the fishes something to eat.
Whats an ad-bot to do? Nothing but obesity and esophagous cancer since high fructose corn syrup dominates.
Guess it will be illegal to be unemployed or retired real soon.
Yeah, cuz 2+2= Illegal to be unemployed or retired.
Go call Glen Beck and have him draw a diagram of it on the chalk board for you.
Exactly. Stand up to the HFCS lobby. Get that crap out of our food and see where obesity goes. Outlaw MSG while you're at it.
Unless something is done about HFCS, everything esle is a waste of time and energy.
Um- WRONG. The lack of consequences for bad choices is what's bankrupting the country. In many more areas than how fat one's ass is or isn't.
If the government wouldn't mandate that you and I are responsible for taking care of said "fat-ass", then the government wouldn't need to mandate how "fat-ass" behaves.
See a pattern here? My ass is perfectly fine shape, and I am "over reacting" to this.
this is the main point, if there weren't subsidies and all the consumption were being paid for by the consumer I wouldn't care one bit, but when my neighbor who lives behind me, who is (was) 400+ lbs, who has been on the "system" forever and doesn't work, decides she needs liposuction because she does nothing but lie on her ass, and the cost of this is passed on to me because I pay taxes....then I have a problem with it.
And here we are a year later and she's beginning to blossom again, why? Because she never changed her eating habits, all she did was get the crap sucked out so she could replenish with more crap.
I'm sorry, but this shouldn't be paid for by tax payers, which brings me to the final point, when you subsidize something you get more of it.
I understand where you're coming from completely, but two wrongs don't make a right.
So let's let your fat ass neighbor drop dead of her own accord, rather than tell me how to behave because she's a dumb cunt.
Then cut the BS and lets just kill them now. I say if P-t-i does not like your looks he is allowed to drop you on the spot. I know that is in the constitution somewhere. I think Article 7 under Nazi Pig.
pan,
you are so right!!,our Gv't Pols, and EO, are really living unhealthy lifestyles.( unprotected hetro sex,homsexUal sex,drunks, unreal meals,ad nauseum!).
I am REALLY eager to see how this (LOL), plays out.........your telling me WHAT?, say that again, to quote Bronson, "You believe in Jesus?", perp, uhmmmmm YES!!, "Good,get ready to meet HIM!".
The Gv't has SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO far spent us into oblivion, the one's who do not take care of them selves are of NO consequence at this junction.
I will like to see this enforced...............guarantee you, the ownership of firearms will be (part of the TAKE away.as they are unhealthy).
And boy, I bet the poor SOB's who try and mandate/carry this out will not be willing recipients.
No surprises here.
Go Bachman!!
No "fat, lazy, smoking, poor people" are not bankrupting the country. The politicians who create the laws to take money from the taxpayer and give it to the imprudent are bankrupting the country. This can be in the form of corporate welfare, unfunded liabilities for Social security and medicare, or the 99 weeks that one is paid to be unemployed.
A 300 pounder.
LOL. You still guessing everybodies weight by the way they reply?
+ TEN-FUCKING MILLION
+NAT'L DEBT
You're a fucking idiot. If you think about it fat, smokers save money by dying younger moron.
Actually, yes. There was a study on this too. People who live to their 80s 90s cost us more in medicare, SS, social services,etc, than unhealthy people who die young.
I wish that was the case. Unfortunately, most people learn to take care of themselves after that triple bypass and / or the insulin injections. Then they live to be in their 80s.
Bullshit. Show me the stats to back up that point. Oh, they don't exist. Look, smokers pay taxes, a lot of taxes, to smoke and are necessary for states to make their budgets, they are a money makers for the government and not a drain. Also, most people have private insurance, not public. A large portion of the costs fall on private insurers, period, end of story. No one is bankrupting the US except for people living too long. Based on the tax structure the government should beg people to smoke and drink to excess.
You know what, come to think of it, fuck you. I am 36 with stage 2 cancer. I was in great shape before hand and now I can't walk so what does shit like this executive order mean for me? I am productive, I make probably more money than you, but I may now be unworthy because I got sick and cannot walk so good? Go fuck yourself. I may not be as in good as shape as I used to be in and I might not be able to walk as good as I used to be able to, but I would love to go 5 rounds with you just so people can see a cripple kick your ass. You know what, I am taking this personally because you are a fucking moron. Think before you fucking talk. You can check my comments, I have never let on about my cancer and never play this card, but people like you are the problem. While your comments may not be directed towards sick people they are.
Maybe you like government controlling every one's life, but most people don't. I am not defending all smokers and heavy people, but maybe since I am closer to deaths door I have a bit more compassion for people, or maybe I have a soul compared to you, and realize that it may not always be the persons fault for their condition. I know that is not the case most of the time, but my God generalizing makes you look like a douche bag. One last point, I doubt you are perfect and by the reach of this order I am willing to bet some of the mental illness clauses will impact you, so welcome to my world asshole.
What kind of cancer?
Tell Pan-the-ist about your health and habits and HE'LL GUESS YOUR WEIGHT!
lead by example, baby. Go ahead, eat your gun right now. Right here, right now.
You would be wrong, Pan. I'm 5'10" and 170 lbs. I run five miles every other day.
Really? What's your PR for a 5k?
I'm not precisely sure as I never run 5K but it's probably just barely under a 7 min. per, maybe 20 minutes. I was a very good sprinter when young but never a great distance runner. I tried running farther last summer and got to the point of running 9 miles each time out but I couldn't keep up as good a pace as I wanted. It's more fun to actually run 5 miles than to run 5 a bit more slowly and trudge the last few of 9.
That's about my PR too. I'm running a half pretty soon and hope to finish in 1:45.
Good luck to you, seriously. I don't think I could possibly do 1:45. Somewhere around 7 miles is the limit of how far I can go and keep good form. I start losing good erect posture and striking full foot which kills efficiency. I'd need to be stronger and about 5-7 pounds lighter. But that's another plateau of fitness up.
This is a little bit further off topic, but in the recent book Born to Run, around pages 210-240, there was a section about anthropology that I found tremendously inspirational. You should check it out if you get the chance.
I just read about it at ama /zon. I will have to pick it up. I read somewhere that humans would run down animals using persistence hunting. When the hunt was over and the animal was exhausted, they'd walk up and stab them with a stick.
Hmmm... we may have found a way to reduce the size of government...
LOL.
never pays to judge anybody. Working kept me in shape, of late nop work but lots of computer time and if i did not smoke i would put it on faster.
I have worked the last ten years with two painfull knees and a hurt l5 in my spine, this after 2 episodes a year each of being stuck in a wheel chair. I used to value myself by what i accomplish, now by what attitude i have.
So hey, i would love to run, but all that ladder work shot my knees to hell.
I have no help from the government and dont want any.
Bullshit, i and many others who are idiots and still smoke will die early and save the government buku bucks on social security. We should be rewarded.
Where is the line for that or do i take a number?
mere,
I agree, you should get EARLY PAYMENTS!.
Thank you for doing a deed for the good of humanity.
DosZap, hi and have a merry day.
What is this Constitution you speak of?
+1787
You folks are great! I've really enjoyed reading the points of view.
This is more fun than watching a tornado in a trailer park.
Running a gubmint is a tough job -- just look at the diversity of opinions.
ROFLWJOIAMSWWP (Roll On Floor Laughing While Jacking Off Into A Meatball Sub While WHAM! Plays)
you got paper saying he went there and wrote tests ?
Well he just taught it, he isn't a Constitutional Scholar,plus the stuff I saw on HIS board while teaching a class, IS nowhere to be found in MY Constitution...........crack will do that to a mind.(so I hear).
I assume from all these decrees and mandates, EOs n Chit, he's planning on being the DER FUHRER from now on...............boy is he in for a rude awakening.
Way I see it, he needs to start smoking 3-4pks a day, and drinking like a fish,and unprotected sex w/ anyone he can find...........(ask Clinton for his Black book).
This, will never stand,ever................you cannot legislate morality, nor peoples lifestyles, unless their your pre-pubescent live at home chidddrens.
You're kidding ....right!?? These fuckers have never cared a whit about the Constitution......It's all about CONTROL....
It's not that they don't know they're breaking the Constitution...they just don't care. Neither did Wilson, neither did FDR. In fact, when FDR ran up against the Supreme Court telling him his programs were unconstitutional without an amendment, he tried to hire enough flunkies to overwhelm the majority. Socialists aren't limited by the law--you are. You gotta re-read Animal Farm to know where they're coming from; then get drunk and watch Animal House to recover from the suicidal depression you'll end up in afterwards.
This is pretty open ended and ambigiuous. Who are these "experts" and what qualifies them? The only thing I know that motivates people in any kind of power is more money for themselves.
These "experts" are in public health departments, think tanks, etc. They are very scary people. They want to tell everyone else how to live. What to eat, what to drink, how fat you can be, what activities you participate in and how you do it, how you take care of and raise your kids, if you can gamble, if you are "mentally healthy", what proper med care should be, etc, etc, etc. under the guise of "good public health". The ultimate mommy state. Be afraid, be very afraid. They can determine what drugs you take and force you to take them, send you off to a fat farm cuz you are costing insurance and society too much. I could go on and on. This is not good.
EDIT- This was in response to panthiest before his post got deleted. Sorry Kali, it was not meant for you at all.
I am getting Carpal Tunnel from junking all your posts. I don't know if you are a MD, but you act like one (my sincere apologies to my 'doc" friends on ZH).
MD's stand alone in their arrogance (again apologies to my humble doc friends) . . . come into my office, take your clothes off, sit on this bench for an hour until I decide to come in, even though your appointment was an hour ago, don't ask what anything costs, don't question me, refer to me as "DOCTOR", not my first name, and defer to my superior intellect.
I am unaware of any other customer/supplier relationship in the world that works like a patient/doctor relationship. I have to hand it to you guys, you somehow pulled it off.
You read like a decent fellow.
I am the employer of ten people that are on a 100% paid insurance program. I pay a pile into their deductible by way of funding their portion od the HSA(health savings account).
Our little group has had a loss ratio of under 12% for the past three years, yet every year the premium goes up. For the next year the insurer went with a 35% increase. Just how am I to pay that?
I am going to jettison the whole thing and return all to the employee in taxable pay. They can figure it out. I am big on employee rights.
For the nanny state lovers, the biggest increases seem to have been levied upon the youngest and lowest risk types as that is the largest group.
The greyhair leeches that voted in this abomination of a goomint are now the ones that have caused my employees to likely lose the company paid benefit.
In other news related to the medical rackets: An employee scraped his knuckle, thus leaving a flap of skin on his pinky. The clinic ended up charging 2800 dollars (1900/hr including billing) for the failed patch job that I can do better with some tape and superglue. My GP would have done the job for cash 220. I don't care to play that game any more.
The producers are getting gouged by every racket in the "service" economy from the banksters to the shops that prey upon workman's comp insurance.
One more example of this and I will shut the doors.
Tapeworm,
I found myself in the exact same situation a few years back . . . responsible for a company of young employees, and got hit with a 40% increase in insurance premiums. The company simply could not sustain itself if faced with 20-40% annual increase in insurance costs, even though there was no particular reason for it.
What we ended up doing putting in a system where we provided a catastrophic $10K deductible plan (very affordable) to each employee, and then helped fund individual health savings accounts that employees could use for medical expenses under the deductible. Benefit was that the company saved a lot of money, and the employees were given control . . . if they did not spend the money in the health savings account, it builds up, and at retirement they can withdraw it. They were happy. Also, all of the sudden all the running to the doctor cause junior had a stuffy nose business was cut way back.
Precisely, it saved me money and my employees got the health care they needed and I was able to give raises and retain people. It ended up costing WAAAAAYYYYYY less doing that. BTW, my father was a GP/surgeon, who used to make house calls, would charge a fair and reasonable price. He had more work than he could handle. HIs ass wipe friends would goad him to charge more money so he could get filthy rich like them. The best thing my father ever said to me was "it's not how much money you make that counts, it's how you made it." I still believe that, even more strongly, today.
thanks for the wonderful discussion, positive solutions for perplexing problems are right in front of us, if we only open our eyes to see them.
i vote kali the rebel tapeworm for the next health care czar/czarina.
An interesting story about your father.
Part of the problem in the health care system is that the people utilizing the service are not the people paying for the service. When people have to make choices, and the services they choose will cost them real money (HSA), then they rethink things. Is a second MRI really needed? Could we go with a generic?
The system has programmed, us the consumers, to not ask questions on cost, not question doctors on tests, and to always go the primo route without consideration of who is paying. When you operate a company, the health care costs stare you in the face every day.
will christine romer, and larry summers, be exempt, how about the surgeon general?
http://mises.org/books/TRTS/17.jpg
Kali,
"They can determine what drugs you take and force you to take them, send you off to a fat farm cuz you are costing insurance and society too much. I could go on and on. This is not good."
WANNA BET?
Kali,
"They can determine what drugs you take and force you to take them, send you off to a fat farm cuz you are costing insurance and society too much. I could go on and on. This is not good."
WANNA BET?
I lost the bet, where should I send the money?
They already approve a drug for anything and everything. People are on so much medication these days its ridiculous. FDA in conjunction with the drug companies are making this society reliant on drugs instead of fixing health problems with diet and exercise. Doctors prescribe medicine too easily because they are in on it too. Its a viscious circle jerk.
Oh Pantheist are you gonna guess my weight?
Also, they can send you to the Dr. Jack Kavorkian Senior Care Center for the aged.
Who are these "experts" and what qualifies them?
Party hacks, leftist ideologues and brown shirts.
This might be so fascistic as to rub even some democrats the wrong way. I believe such a thing is at least theoretically possible.
This one will be fun. Too many fat lazy dope smoking Americans for the fat lazy dope smoking health officials to corral and force into a healthier lifestyle.
What this really becomes is another obscure law allowing citizens to be held by BIGOV. Think Mental institution full of fat loudmouthed Americans challenging government,questioning laws, actions and ethics.
You all know who you are.
Your parents
Next they will be euthanizing children born with birth defects.
I've read about this in history.
you are right, we need to keep spawning people whose life will be one big trauma to take care of them so we can feel good about ourselves
Explain why you think this is a problem. Are you some kind of religious nut? Back when the United States was a great nation (100+ years ago), country doctors regularly euthanized those born with severe birth defects.
Wow. This discussion is really pulling out the moral relativists/Nazi wannabees in an otherwise great forum.
I sincerely never thought I would see a discussion on Zero that supported the mass killings of babies born slightly different from the average. Steven Hawking might have something to say about that. And before you get all smart and smug and try to explain to my pathetic, fundamentalist-ass-backwards Christian position by pointing out that Steven Hawking was in college when his affliction overcame him, stuff it. Without the modern technology that allows him to communicate, he wouldn't even be able to beg for his life with you at the wheel.
Between Chumbawamba and you Hitler storm troopers I am seriously beginning to doubt the integrtiy of this community.
Bring it the fuck on. Now.
You moron, the new law would permit exactly what you are protesting. If a person can afford to take care of their severely handicapped child, then not a problem.
There is no response, intelligent or otherwise, for your missive. It simply makes no sense whatsoever.
BTW, Kali, you weren't the main focus of my vitriol.
Agree, agree, agree. I've seen a few sensible comments to the effect of, "Uh, I thought we were still a nominally free country," but then in come the replies screaming about fat people costing other people money. Now, having said that, I don't see any harm in charging people a bit more for health insurance based on increased risk. Life insurance costs more for smokers. Car insurance costs more for inexperienced or just plain bad drivers. I think that's an appropriate way to deal with free will - natural consequences.
Oh, God, how I miss liberty. I really miss it like a friend who passed too soon.
Natural consequences work for deterministic behavior too.
LOL. True, true. But I still love freedom, choice, liberty, all that stuff upon which our country was founded. Oh well. I'm old. I recognize this is a new generation, a different time, and things change. I believe many people on this site feel the same way I do about what we once considered "inalienable rights" and the role of government or lackthereof in our every day lives. Thus our underlying concern with what seems to be the tendency of the government to take more and more control of our personal freedoms.
On another note, and this is purely based on observation and anecdotal evidence so I acknowledge the weakness of my case from the start: I've noticed a tendency amongst the morbidly obese, the drug addicted, etc. to demand caretaking by TPTB. My understanding of the psychology of addiction/dependency is that they tend to see themselves in victim roles and place blame on external sources for their internal issues. And consequently they will look for external solutions like disability, welfare and the like rather than take the very difficult steps towards discipline and self control. Hence, many of the same folks who will no doubt throw a fit when the government puts them on a diet are the same folks who voted for a nanny state in the first place. LOL. Put that in yer pipe and smoke it, darlin.
I can see that. Just read a comment by someone who thought he was disabled because his knees hurt and he had a bad back - couldn't run. There are other ways to exercise. People rationalize their actions, but behaviors are based on values. I honestly don't believe in freewill.
Because I am 100% American and a true patriot, I respect your opinion, I applaud your confidence in your position, and I am glad you put it out there for others to consider and debate. I disagree with you, but isn't it wonderful that we live in a time and place where people have the freedom, education, literacy, and <snicker> will to discuss high ideas on a lovely Sunday afternoon? God Bless America!
Pan-the-ist clears the ways for the next piece of the discussion about thought-crimes and how best to handle them.
How does one get mordidly obese? Is it from living as a ward of the state? That is what I see. The ultrafatso crowd is heavily represented on the Supplemental Social Security payroll. They are fat because they do not care to work and are then judged to be disabled for being too fat, and then do not have to work.
Wait a second, I thought I was the Hitlerian Storm Trooper because of my hatred for rogue nuclear armed theocratic colonial enterprises? I can't wait to see the reaction of Reductio Ad Douchebaggery when she finds out she was lumped in with me. Hee hee hee.
I am Chumbawamba.
I think fat people are useful since I can outrun every single one of 'em. Kinda like the old joke about the bear and the campers -- all ya gotta do is outrun the other campers. That puts us folks who are physically fit just one more step ahead of the storm troopers.
well, if we are to kill the young for inadequacies, those from 18 to 28 in wars and the old as soon as .. who knows , all thats left is the victim of perfection
ghost,
Yes, alas, poor Goebbels, got such a bad rap on this............
Heck, after all, he learned all this from Woodrow, and between he and Geo Bernhard Shaw( Euthanist,but he advocated it for not stopping disease, but lack of usefulness to society), two bigger Nazi's,murder proponents could you find.
Wilson taught the Nazi's how to use Propaganda.................and we gave them the handbook for Euthanization...............
Say it ain't So!!............but it is.
this is the end...my friend...
Fred
Yeah, but it probably won't bother a lot of Republicans except that it was inacted by a Democratic.
Repebicants will use this precedent to weed out you drones.
You may wish to review the Nazi Euthanasia Laws of 1939. Maybe , also, Margaret Sanger. This did not end well for those chronically or even marginally unsuited for society.
PS A little fact checking will reveal that most of the nazi bigwigs were some of the most unhealthy. Even Hitler, who was a vegetarian and did not smoke, did not seem to make it past 56 years.
;) +1
I do not wish to embrace your tin foil-hatitude, but if you must, check out the American eugenics programs. They were inspirational to the German government of that era.
I do not believe it matters who "thunk it up". What matters is that it exists.
This story would PERHAPS seem inocuous except that we have an administration made up of Sunstein's and Emmanuel's, who have endorsed concepts like forced sterilization, and euthanasia.
Do I really have to be a 300 pound, twinkie eating smoker to be uncomfortable about this?
Col,
Time to advocate making some staff Eunuchs.(if their not already).
Think they would volunteer?.
Hell, Sunstein even proposed putting shit in folks drinking water, to sterilze em', between Sanger(mother of abortion), and Bernard Shaw,first Dr.Kevorkian), what a crew!........class advisors dere, Mr.B...
You sure hang with some tight dudes.
First admin ever, with a Mossad agent who is a ballet dancer.
Get out of town!!!....................
Wait a minute. Wasn't your first post defensive of the President's new program because you don't like people who are fat, lazy, etc.? And yet now you refer to the eugenics program, which definitely parallels this health program by targeting those who supposedly damage the fabric of our society. Perhaps you'll need a mental health screening because you seem to have some issues with agression. Go pick your fights elsewhere. We at ZH definitely like to engage in debate, but they tend to be more intellectual and concept-based rather than your ad hominem approach. Oh, one last thing. Nobody has mentioned the drain on our economy by uninsured illegals receiving expensive medical treatments and splitting without paying the bill. Will the President's program address this issue?
Oh, my word. Where have you been?
I've been fighting this insanity by myself for about thirty minutes now.
+100
LOL. Yeah, I think he or she is a troll.
Does this eugenics program exist today? No, it doesn't. Does this executive order = a new eugenics program? That's a stretch.
Does your blatant representation of both sides of the same argument stink of C!@ disinformation trolling? Yes, moderately so. Does this mean that you're too vacant and numb to comprehend the feeling of cognitive dissonance you're currently experiencing and attempting to sort out on these forums...? That's a stretch.
I believe I am answering in a consistent (but perhaps unorthodox) way. I do not work for the government and I am not a doctor. This is the Internet so you'll have to trust me.
Cardiologist. No question.
(see, Pan, you're not the only one who can be obsequious and clairvoyant at the same time!)
Now -- GUESS MY WEIGHT.
I failed once already, so I've stopped. I have respect for most physicians, but I am not one. Not even close.
Pan, when we send our boys to kill and die in iraq or afgahnistan, what do we call that?
When the air above our heads is sprayed with aluminum and barium without informing us, thats called what?
When fluride is added to our water, making us more stupid, its a form of murder
And now the assholes are killing the planet ie. Haarp, coal fired plants, oil and gas geysers in the gulf. Our government sucks
It does.
Precisely why I mentioned Sanger, who, BTW, had numerous correspondences with those who will be obeyed, mainly thru that fine specimin of health, Heinrich Himmler (or True Heinny to his friends).
Gee, i heard Hitler was killed by french fries, pre McDonald under his own arches.
cossack, yep, bullets will end it, whenever one/someone chooses...cheap.
Well, ahem, considering that government has screwed everything else up, this will be another glaring failure, therefore driving people into these "bad lifestyle choices."
Think of it as stealth "death panels."
after this the only place you can find actual Truth will be on the black market
Thanks for your concern O, but I'll take care of my own health and "behaviours" thank you. And your professionals can stick their opinions and medications up their collective arses.
While being a strong "wake up" call for the fascist direction things are heading in, this should not act as a deterrence to those who generally need to improve their overall health, because if you are out there killing yourself with MacDonalds and KFC every day, sucking down Diet Coke like Larry Summers, sitting on your arse instead of getting "some" exercise, then you ain't going to be much good to us as a race when the shit really hits the fan. And I don't really want to pay for your healthcare either.
So, take personal responsibility for your health NOW.....for the right reasons.
SteveNYC, agreed, no excuse to be a fat, lazy slob. But what about people like our poor Leo, with MS? The "behaviour" thing bothers more than anything, unhealthy people will not survive really tough times anyway. But, these public health people will have the power to declare "risky behaviours" as a public health threat too. Tell you what kind of sex you may or may not have, that you MUST wear a helmet while bicycle riding, no gambling allowed, how much and what kind of TV shows you can watch, if you are too belligerent to their liking, etc, etc. Doesn't matter if you participate in the black marked activity or not. These are the people behind taxing soda pop and fatty foods, for your own good, you see. They will make you a slave for your own good.
This is like speeding in a residential area. Some people are too stupid not to do it and need the government to stop it.
My shot gun could stop that. Don't need no stinking cops! (joke, sort of)
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Local government based on local concern, sure. But the Federalis need to stay the fuck out of our lives.
I am Chumbawamba.
I can't believe I am agreeing with Chubbie.
Even a blind squirrel...
Your agreeing with me has no relevance. Notwithstanding the fact that I am correct, your reasoning ability is primitive, and the blind squirrel would be you. You're only agreeing because you THINK I'm right, not because I am. There's a difference.
I am Chumbawamba.
Heh, heh...
Actually, I was referring to myself when I referenced the blind squirrel. I don't think quite as much of me as you do of you.
You glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.
Heil!!
Yeah, I wouldn't think much of me if I were you either. After all, you're you, and I...
I am Chumbawamba.
Touche
Was that exchange scripted in advance? Just askin'.
If not, Chumba must be an awesome chess player.
mtomato2 , i could grow to like you, nice way with words
glittering jewel of colossol ignorance is some funny shit. Thanks i know someone those words apply to and cant hardly wait to voice it. Surely this will establish my record as an aspiring asshole. I am cultivating that as a new act.
It's funny how the folks who put out those "slow, children at play" signs don't mind speeding through other peoples' neigborhoods!
+10
I would never put the life of my child in the hands of a stranger who may/may not read/obey a sign. I taught my kids to stay/get out of the road.
dup
the day any one makes me wear a helmet while biking, i am so out of here. lobbyist for the helmet industry is huge. they are making tons of dough, especially getting skiers mandatory helmets. fuck people look like idiots with their helmets on. hell i went to beijing just to ride bikes with the billions. not one fucking helmet. if you can bike beijing, it is more dangerous than descending alpe d'huez. vigilantes make me sick, buy into this safety shit. they call me out all the time, i just give them the finger. mother fuckers.
+ infinity.
Some you people scare the shit out of me. You keep your damn hands off the law. You keep your hands off of other people and their lives. Your worry, is about having to pay for others , so you can keep your lifestyle and exhude your neurotic control over others as an extension of your own personal hell. Pathetic.
Let the record show I am in agreement with Velobabe. It is nobody's damned business if I wear a seatbelt, helmet, or a jockstrap. Fuck off safety Nazis--and if I get injured, that's my problem.
what happened to your usual writing style? someone else on your account?
passionate about a couple of things in my life.
Steve,
Unless some members here are child Savants, I think most are of the age, where they have likely paid into the system long enough to at LEAST get some ROI, even if it is healthcare.
Which we all know, is not going to be paid for thru MC, and/or SS,as both have been stolen ...so, the fudds can stick all their unconstitutional laws up their Collective asses.
Anyone with an IQ over 90, knows what's good for them, and what's not...............if they want to be unhealthy, and die early, so be it.
It's their life, their body..............same as me walking up to you while your having a mixed drink, and I SLAP it out of your hand, because YOU may cost me money later on.
I bet you would stand for that right?.
Same damned principle................the Feds want me to live/eat/drink like THEY want, then they can furnish me with 100% of what it takes to live,and wait on me hand and foot.
I have been supporting those bstds my whole life,what have I got out of it?
Screwed..............NO MORE.
Funny how simple things can be blown out of proportions. I suppose people have to gnaw on a bone as the economic collapse has not yet happened.
Better to see totalitarian issues in everything a government does than questioning the reality of economy collapse.
YOu are an idiot
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Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010
The bill asks the President to determine criteria for designating an individual as a "high-value detainee" if he/she:
(1) poses a threat of an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the U.S. or U.S. facilities abroad;
(2) poses a threat to U.S. military personnel or U.S. military facilities;
(3) potential intelligence value;
(4) is a member of al Qaeda or a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda or
(5) such other matters as the President considers appropriate.
I propose the following:
Forfeit America's Stale Constitution Inhibiting Statist Tenets Act of 2010
The bill shall allow the President to invoke any executive orders that the President deems appropriate.
I am Chumbawamba.
Chumb, you presume they want the mantle of legal authority to do what they're doing. They've waved their hands in the air, and are currently waving them like they just don't care.
AnAnonymous, folks evdently misunderstood the true content of your post.
Btw, dont look at the Gulf and the economy is fine, better than ever now that we have free oil.
heard yesterday..BP is harvesting our gulf beaches at night with flashlight patrols . This to insure we are not horrified by the abundance of oil the fish and birds are trying to steal.
I knew it.
http://www2.cddc.vt.edu/marxists/archive/newsholme/1933/red-medicine/pre...
Obviously an unbiased article written at a time when the Soviet system was esteemed for its treatment of its citizens.
and that is the precise point
and some forty years later in that same Soviet Russia this headline from 1979
Mass Alcoholism Has Now Become A Major Problem In The Soviet Union
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=b4MsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=qM0EAAAAIBAJ&pg=7...
(of course that doesn't include 20 or 30 million that were starved to death by Uncle Joe, but we seem to have forgotten that little episode - it was a proud day just 4 weeks ago (May 9, 2010) when American Soldiers marched in Red Square in Russia’s Victory Day parade. to the tunes of the Soviet-era national anthem.)
http://www.economist.com/node/16163464?story_id=16163464&source=hptextfe...
oh and in case you were looking for the original AP article that highlighted American participation in the Red Square celebration, it has been deleted - http://bit.ly/b34vmZ
I guess that's why 75% of their males are bonafide Alkies?.
If you create a universal healthcare system, you must find a way to deal with the rising cost of obesity related illnesses. If someone is morbidly obese, they need to be forced to take steps to deal with this, including changing diet and exercise. If they fail to do this, they should lose the right to free treatment. Overeating is not a physical problem but it is a mental one, and it becomes a physical one only later. The effects of bad diet and overeating in children are well understood, in terms of performance in schools, attention spans, emotional disorders etc etc. I hate the idea of big government as much as anyone, but there comes a time when somebody has to step in take control. Under the current situation, many Americans are already controlled by the big food industry and it is making them fat and miserable, they just can't see it.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/weightloss/2009-11-17-future-obesity...
"If they fail to do this, they should lose the right to free treatment."
What and where is this "free" treatment you speak of? Seriously, this isn't a rhetorical question.
+950 billion
You are exactly the type of person who is the problem. You should have left it at "no right to free treatment" I have no right to free treatment now. I am pretty healthy for my age. It comes down to, are you gonna make people responsible for the consequences of their behaviour? A diabetic welfare mom with 10 kids is gonna always be a burden to me, if I have to pay for their health care, housing, food etc. A 500lb middle class family man will cost me money too, in the rising of insurance premiums. If people had to pay out of their pocket what their own health care really costs, maybe I could afford good health insurance. We are not holding BP to this standard. How many peoples' health is gonna be hurt by that? Yet, we let them do what they want. Like, SteveNYC said, I'll take care of my own health and behaviours thank you very much.
You must have a great signal tonight. What is the weather like (if you can take a look in between dingos)