Obama Has Signed Secret Order Authorizing Covert US Support For Libyan Rebel Forces

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Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:01 | 1118552 NOTW777
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the people who accused Bush of war crimes - right

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:02 | 1118572 the mad hatter
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Welcome to 2011, where the Constitution only exists in history books.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:12 | 1118631 cossack55
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Mainly history books published before 2000.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 19:51 | 1119526 TBT or not TBT
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Books?  From here on out its going to be iPads, Nooks, Kindles and so on.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:14 | 1118916 High Plains Drifter
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yeh , they are not our army anymore. they fight for the blue and the 12 stars..........

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:22 | 1119189 Holodomor2012
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They fight for the same flag that you fight for.  And it only has 1 star.

 

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:25 | 1118969 random shots
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It never existed...Your kids will one day say "Damn I miss Bush and Obama."

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:19 | 1118653 GeorgeHayduke
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Bush was a brutish idiot who's only ability as a president was to push people around and start wars.

Obama is a polished salesman who's good at talking to you on your front porch while his band of thieves sneaks in the back door and robs you blind. Or, promising you one thing and delivering something completely different than what you ordered.

To me, the moral of the story is: Regardless of which "party" you elect Wall Street, Big Pharma and the Military Industries always win and the working folks always lose just a little bit more (money, freedom, truth).

I wonder how long until we have a "no confidence" vote of the US government. Of course it will be a bunch of so-called Tea-Party insiders (or something similar) that holds the vote so it's essentially replacing the scum with the slime, but it'll make good theater for the sheep.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:23 | 1118677 GeorgeHayduke
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Don't just junk it coward, explain why.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:31 | 1118716 PuppetRepubl1c
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@GeorgeHayduke 

 

I guess they couldn't handle the truth you were putting out there, it doesn't jive with the fox news "republicans will fix everything this time, trust us" mantra they are used to hearing 8 hours a day.  Conmen are still conmen, no matter what lapel pin they wear.

 

Our government is a for profit enterprise, congressmen should be forced to wear NASCAR style advertisements from their donors so the votors know where their allegiences are.

 

 

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:39 | 1118755 macholatte
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congressmen should be forced to wear NASCAR style advertisements from their donors so the votors know where their allegiences are.

 

I like it.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:38 | 1119266 TBT or not TBT
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Awesome!    Let's vote on brands to associate with various politicians. 

Barney Frank could be sponsored by some brand of mineral water and Hershey's, as in said highway.   

John Kerry, Heinz obviously.  

McCain that beer distributorship of his wifes'.

Obama, the Al Jazeera network, and maybe some golfing products brand, or a tourism agency.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:41 | 1118758 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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George, I junked you because you only took half of the blue pill, then equated ALL TP ers with Republicans.

 

Ps--fuck you.thats why I really junked you. Seriously dude...just messing with you. You shouldn't care who junks you and ask for an explanation, just stand for what you believe in, and we'll kinda respect that.

 

However, I also drink a lot.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:06 | 1118883 GeorgeHayduke
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Man, it's an internet message board. I really don't care who junks it. I wrote it that way to show that the cliquish lemmings here will kill each other to jump on the bandwagon with each other. They all try to outwit one another with one-liners, but just post something controverisal and they get their panties in a wad.

I'm guessing many here have a hankering for Tea-bagging (not sure if it's giving or receiving) and why I put them in the original post, hence the junking.

My skin is way tougher than most of these lightweights here, so I really don't care if they junk me or not. I like having my ideals and beliefs challenged, unlike so many of the conforming, non-conformist  and so-called wanna-be contrarian posers here and on the internet in general.

At least some folks here got my point. It's nice to see that some folks get it and don't have to follow the crowd. There's hope for us yet.

The sheep may now junk away....

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:16 | 1118931 GeorgeHayduke
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Thank you sheep.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:41 | 1119270 sunkeye
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@geohay: made me laugh t/y now whenever i see 'thank you sheep' i cant not think of the xtranorml bears man i love them two matter of fact i wish them two were network anchors id at least tune in again

btw tho real bears scare the hell outta me and i aint whistlin stephencolbert either  made the mistake of youtubing 'bear attacks'  scared the hitshay outta me lemme tellya no bs  shotgun slug lock&load in bear country for real

 

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:44 | 1119285 DollarMenu
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No junks from me.

The whole pack in D.C. is no good.

It's a pre-requisite for their running for office.

They can't get thru a caucus to the ballot unless they've compromised/soldout.

The party machinery functions on grease.

D or R makes no difference.

None.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:52 | 1119319 sunkeye
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deleted no pos add to dialog

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 22:31 | 1120028 BrosMacManus
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All hail George, the all knowing enlightened one. We are so unworthy.

sanctimonious douche.

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:42 | 1119276 TBT or not TBT
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Hey internet tough guy, whattaya planning on doing with that digital spanner you got there?   My avatar carries a digital Walther PPK, albeit a cartoon one, d'Oh!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 19:06 | 1119377 Blues Traveler
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"I'm guessing many here have a hankering for Tea-bagging (not sure if it's giving or receiving) and why I put them in the original post, hence the junking."

You got junked for being a light weight puss-a-lamus, you come across as daft.  Tigthen  up your game and bullshit, then we will ee how you do.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:30 | 1118987 tmosley
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You should note that he said "Tea Partiers" with respect to the politicians, most of whom immediately betrayed the Tea Party by voting FOR the extension of the Patriot Act.

If the jokers vote FOR raising the debt ceiling, then they will have proven their true "mettle", ie they have none.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:42 | 1119034 GeorgeHayduke
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I know. I'm just riling up the easy to rile crowd here.

Your comment about Tea Party winners is valid. Do they sit them down when they get to DC and tell them how they will vote "or else"? Or was the whole Tea Party thing just a big scam all along? We shall see.

Personally, I didn't buy much into the Tea Party folks as they seem to me to tend to the fascists side, even though they try not to act or talk like it. but hey, I'll see how they act now that they are in, but my guess is the Republicans will yank their chain anytime they want to.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:11 | 1119132 tmosley
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I would say it is much more likely that standard Republicans capitalized on Tea Party fervor and just went back to their old ways once they were in.

I had high hopes for the Tea Party, but they were indeed infiltrated, as many suggested would happen.

The only way to have a political solution in my opinion is to throw out anyone who is associated with either party unless they already have a voting record in line with TP goals.  They SHOULD learn towards the libertarian or constitution parties instead.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:46 | 1119295 DoChenRollingBearing
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Me too tmosley re having had high hopes for the Tea Party.

We will find out soon enough if Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and others who had strong Tea Party support will just sell out.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:16 | 1119149 yakmerchant
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"Tea Party folks as they seem to me to tend to the fascists side"

Like the politicians claiming to be "tea partiers"? or the people you met at a local Tea Party?  As most of the ones I've met that aren't on TV (alot of NeoCon plants where elected as tea partiers if you ask me) seem alot more like Libertarian's that want little to zero government in their lives than fascists.  Now there are a few that take the whole hawkish strong defense thing a little too far and assume that means running around the globe playing policeman, but I guess that's better than all the other crap that we pay for that isn't even mentioned in the constitution.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:51 | 1119310 DoChenRollingBearing
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The Tea Partiers I met (2009) were almost all nice, real and normal people of all kinds.  Not Fascist at all.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:57 | 1119086 Strider52
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I'll drink to that.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:23 | 1119194 BigDuke6
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Avatars with big tits is stoopid.

And there are loads of you teenagers here now.

Anyway, my point....

Arming a bunch of jihadi's - can the usa be that fucked?

Taliban - Stinger missiles anyone?  Amazing one hasn't used to take down a 747.

Let these fuckers mash each other then roll in with the contracts to rebuild and pump the oil.

Wash rinse and repeat that.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:45 | 1119299 Arkadaba
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History. I don't trust Wikipedia for unbiased analysis but I still think it is good for a jumping off point: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 19:47 | 1119509 BigDuke6
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Amazing... they can't help but interfere with these whackos.

and then give them refugee status to be on welfare forever.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 21:35 | 1119833 tmosley
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Better than the guy with the "nice big cock" from Fight Club as his avatar a while back.

Similar to the way we are acting now, Rome armed mercenaries with their most advanced weaponry.  After those mercs completed their tours of duty, they left for the "barbarian" states they came from, and returned later at the head of armies to conquer Rome.  Eventually, they succeeded.

Not saying that is going to happen now, but history makes some "dope" rhymes.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 22:21 | 1120002 mkkby
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Something wrong with breasts, homo boy?  Or do your idiot teen agers not notice them everywhere?

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 00:32 | 1120317 BigDuke6
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I love boobies especially udders like that and striders are the original and best.

but when i see them on avatars it reminds of this 'friendfinder' site (a friend of mine was on...) where people would have photos of their cocks and tits up.  Have you seen a cock as an avatar???

How would you feel if the ZH girls started doing that?

ZH would be like Fuckbook.  :(

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:45 | 1119048 Voluntary Exchange
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Did not, and would not junk your fair statement. But a lifetime of statist programing is not an easy thing for anyone to see through. 

There was nothing wrong with the American Revolutionary principles as they were based on basic organizing principles of civilization, ("natural rights"), combined with the great insight that all associations must be based on consent ( and thus are voluntary). Jefferson's words "... just power from the consent of the governed" was, in my opinion, a poor choice of words, but the founders were also raised in statism and could not have been too familiar with ideas like "free market" defense, or "free market" justice, since the limited history of those things was probably not available to them.

But the key basis for a truly free civilization lie within those words of the declaration if carefully respected.  What followed, the constitution itself, did not maintain that key focus on that great truth: the voluntary nature of any organization as it relates to a particular person's participation as long as they did not violate others life, liberty, or property. Natural rights supersede all subsequent agreements,  agreements which in turn must be based on consent. And we saw how the constitution's ambiguity about "consent" eventually turned the American experiment into just another system of statist exploitation common to every other state on the planet.  If the true nature of "consent" had been clearly understood from the start then we should have had competing service providers arise from the start instead of a monopoly "government", and this was the great tragedy of the moment:  they had that great truth at their fingertips, and they failed to live up to it. Some of us know better now, but we again need to win a revolution against the tyrants. This time it can be based on non-violence if people can but just make the connection in their minds between "just powers" and "consent" - (voluntary agreements).

Only that which is based on voluntary agreements can be "just", and so, since each person is different, there needs to be free voluntary markets for "defense" and "justice" but with that key power of the individual always preserved by the voluntary act of purchasing from the ones who deliver the goods. That means no more "taxation" in the sense of cumpulsion ever again. Then we can go to the stars and stop empowering murderers, thieves, and the best liars.

The moment an institution stops earning by a voluntary exchange and starts making demands, coupled with the usurped "power" to enforce those demands,  you have crossed the line, where "men" become beasts and no longer respecters of "natural" law. They become enemies of the self evident truth that all "men" are created "equal" - equal in that they have certain unalienable rights. All associations - even the ones with the fancy title "government" - must be based on consent - and this is best achieved in a truely free market as the voluntary purchase keeps the power where it justly belongs within the individual, (both male and female), who remains a co-equal among all other "men" and not a beast of prey.

So let's get it right this next time, because there will keep being a "next" time till we finally do get it right!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:59 | 1119091 GeorgeHayduke
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Wow! Good job!

Do you read the little printed publication The Match? It really takes on the idea of needing a government and what it becomes, just as you did.

I am not a Libertarian as there will always be tasks that do not make a profit that we need to address. I also don't believe EVERY activity we do needs to have a financial/economic aspect to it. I have to admit that I find the idea of a true free market a tough one to create or maintain. The free markets created here under the Constitution have led to those with the wealth owning the government. Yes, corporate personhood and many of the other laws that allowed it did occur over many years, but they kept whitling away until they got eveything they wanted. I'm not sure how to install the stops that would keep that from happening. I am open to ideas though.

Thanks for the good response Voluntary Exchange.

 

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:01 | 1119092 Abitdodgie
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I think people junk comments when it is above there mental capacity.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:16 | 1119154 New_Meat
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or maybe there spelling ability?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:24 | 1118692 Robot Traders Mom
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Whoever junked that needs to pull their head out of their ass.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:01 | 1118861 ghostfaceinvestah
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I'm guessing it was HBGary

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:40 | 1118763 TheJudge2012
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I'd vote it up if I could. Obama is a slick sociopath. It's so obvious he's going after the oil.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:08 | 1118898 Tom Servo
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Obama isn't going after anything, except maybe the Pro-V1 he hit in the woods off the #5 tee.  The puppetmasters however, ARE going after the oil :)

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:10 | 1119118 Abitdodgie
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The puppet masters are not too concerned about the oil ,what they want is to issue a new currency to the newly liberated Libya , at interest of course

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 22:06 | 1119953 francis_sawyer
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I doubt he's saavy enough to be playing with pro-V1's...

He probably uses those high spinning MOLITORS or 80 compression FLYING LADY's...

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:24 | 1118961 tmosley
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+1776

Throw ALL the bums out.  And don't replace them with more bums.  Pick a third party, and run with it.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 20:19 | 1119617 ViewfromUnderth...
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The Turd (Ferguson) Party

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 21:35 | 1119838 tmosley
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Slogan: "We who have the gold, make the rules!"

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:42 | 1119035 Dollar Damocles
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Everything you say is right on.  Maybe we have a new influx of morons here on zerohedge who haven't yet figured out the banking/military/industrial/pharma complex that runs amerika (aka Fascism)?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:06 | 1119111 Tail Dogging The Wag
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I guess whoever junked you still has hope in Mr Obama and politics. Housing prices are down in every state of the union, except in Washington, D.C. where housing prices are spiking. It pays to be a politician. $$$GE$$$ build me more nuclear plants. Coal is bad, nuclear is good. $$$

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:45 | 1119291 TBT or not TBT
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GE has understood the neo-fascist Democrat behavior, and have sucked up so well they don't even pay federal taxes...not that it makes sense for corporations to pay any taxes at all, I'm just saying Obama and his henchpersons have been overt about punishing friends and rewarding enemies in the private sector.

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