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Obama Has Signed Secret Order Authorizing Covert US Support For Libyan Rebel Forces
While we expect the imminent attempt at refutation from Hillary Clinton, we can't help but admire the symmetry between the handling of this campaign and that of Afghanistan where Al Qaeda also ended up on the receiving end of US generosity.
From Reuters:
President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, government officials told Reuters on Wednesday.
Obama signed the order, known as a presidential "finding", within the last two or three weeks, according to four U.S. government sources familiar with the matter.
Such findings are a principal form of presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA and the White House declined immediate comment.
News that Obama had given the authorization surfaced as the President and other U.S. and allied officials spoke openly about the possibility of sending arms supplies to Gaddafi's opponents, who are fighting better-equipped government forces.
The United States is part of a coalition, with NATO members and some Arab states, which is conducting air strikes on Libyan government forces under a U.N. mandate aimed at protecting civilians opposing Gaddafi.
In interviews with American TV networks on Tuesday, Obama said the objective was for Gaddafi to "ultimately step down" from power. He spoke of applying "steady pressure, not only militarily but also through these other means" to force Gaddafi out.
Obama said the U.S. had not ruled out providing military hardware to rebels. "It's fair to say that if we wanted to get weapons into Libya, we probably could. We're looking at all our options at this point," the President told ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer.
U.S. officials monitoring events in Libya say that at present, neither Gaddafi's forces nor the rebels, who have asked the West for heavy weapons, appear able to make decisive gains.
While U.S. and allied airstrikes have seriously damaged Gaddafi's military forces and disrupted his chain of command, officials say, rebel forces remain disorganized and unable to take full advantage of western military support.
And this:
People familiar with U.S. intelligence procedures said that Presidential covert action "findings" are normally crafted to provide broad authorization for a range of potential U.S. government actions to support a particular covert objective.
In order for specific operations to be carried out under the provisions of such a broad authorization -- for example the delivery of cash or weapons to anti-Gaddafi forces -- the White House also would have to give additional "permission" allowing such activities to proceed.
Former officials say these follow-up authorizations are known in the intelligence world as "'Mother may I' findings."
In 2009 Obama gave a similar authorization for the expansion of covert U.S. counter-terrorism actions by the CIA in Yemen. The White House does not normally confirm such orders have been issued.
And here is what US taxpayers will be funding on behalf of, among others, Al Qaeda:
The article, by VOA intelligence correspondent Gary Thomas, said covert action "can encompass many things, including propaganda, covert funding, electoral manipulation, arming and training insurgents, and even encouraging a coup."
U.S. officials also have said that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, whose leaders despise Gaddafi, have indicated a willingness to supply Libyan rebels with weapons.
Members of Congress have expressed anxiety about U.S. government activates in Libya. Some have recalled that weapons provided by the U.S. and Saudis to mujahedeen fighting Soviet occupation forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s later ended up in the hands of anti-American militants.
There are fears that the same thing could happen in Libya unless the U.S. is sure who it is dealing with. The chairman of the House intelligence committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, said on Wednesday he opposed supplying arms to the Libyan rebels fighting Gaddafi "at this time."
"We need to understand more about the opposition before I would support passing out guns and advanced weapons to them," Rogers said in a statement.
Especially since such non grata individuals as Osama Bin Ladin and his troops may be in the immediate vicinity.
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What the hell...
Funny you bring up Tommy Bahama shirts. I picture you as a 40 year-old pedo looking dude, overweight, and creeps around the mall.
I hope we see your ass on Dateline.
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bet he owns a snuggy, too.
He's a 20-year old unemployed pizza delivery dude trolling from moms basement.
I picture him as a tranny running around in a pink bra and fishnets.
50+, president of the bank tellers union of CA.
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@robo +1
"Looks to me like the U.S. Military is going to invade the entire region and convert it to a luxury tourist destination.
It is the only reason I could think of to explain the sudden and explosive move in Oxford Industries today.
Looks like there is about to be a run on Tommy Bahama shirts.....
Probably the next Lululemon..."
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Guys, get a sense of humor.
Please.
Thanks Robo.
I believe UNR 1970 was about a complete arms embargo on Lybia ?!
You are obviously being confused by facts.
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Sweet!
is this like the completely open and transparent obamahealthcare thing?
"most ethical government ever" nancy
Guns, gold and...chocolate?
I guess this Libyan saga will be the backdrop for Call of Duty 5: Barack's Oil Buddies
What happened to no american boots on the ground President Fuktard?????? Obama is Bushes brother of a different mother I am telling ya!!!!!
Maybe a different mother, but same bloodlines.
Actually, a different mother but a fucker just the same!!!
It passes through the mother.
No boots on the ground was so last week.
Barack Obama...now bringing HOPE and regime CHANGE to Libya, one tomahawk cruise missle at a time.
Yes, we can!
Clinton will pull a Clinton and tell you they didn't just sign that order. Very simple. They signed it weeks ago. So obviously it's not true that Obama just signed it.
If that's their plan, then someone should connect the dots and see what statements Obama has made recently AFTER signing it in order to identify the conflicts. I'm sure there is at least one.
Foreign Oil or Foreign debt, either way... We NEED it and it will cost us dearly going forward.
The French are in this war for the water.
The Perrier Putsch?
No they are in it for broccoli.
The Vicious Veggie Vendetta?
As mentioned in previous threads here, it is simple amazing that the left leaning *NBC and CNN are over the top hawkish for this "The Ed Show: Americans have been injured and we must go to war. And pay to arm the rebels." Repeat for 60 minutes.
Which Americans? How many? When? Where? Lockerbie 35 years ago? Were they killed because they were they were vacationing over there, at an applebees/embassy, and specifically targeted because they were Americans? Or were they going for the full cultural immersion, hanging out in some urban neighborhood at 10:30PM trying to pickup chicks/guys outside a cafe ... using the 100 words of Arabic they know ... ran into a gang of youths who didn't take kindly to being called "hot shit?"
If it is about nation building, fine. just say it. If this is about brutal dictators, then you need to deify GWB. It is known for a fact that the Hussien boys put people through wood chippers and smelters. He used chemical weapons on 1000s of his own Kurds.
But if this is spending $500 Billion 'cause a dozen American tourists had a dune buggy accident I call bullshit. If you want to save American lives and topple entrenched tribal regimes. You need to take 1 (out of 500) Billion $ into Detroit. Hire 30 corrupt cops and flat out tell them to bribe the gang-bangers not to kill and rape each other with the rest of the money. You'd save 100 times more "American" lives and still get the social experiment of re-arranging a violent set of tribal chieftains. If this is about reserve currency, then spend $100B on c-17s and dump the $400B out the back on pallets.
As bad as CNBC is MSNBC,CNN (raditgan excluded) are far far worse.
+1
"We're in it for the oil" is merely the new mantra replacing "we're the liberators" which was wearing thin. Neither are true. When you know who owns those left leaning media outlets then you will know why they are hawkish and why we are really tearing up the Middle East.
oil is oxygen to this country and sending CIA to get it is complete failure.
2% of world population in need of 25% of world oil is losing proposition from all sides.
Did the Nobel Committee announce Sarkozy for the Peace Prize yet?
26th MEU, Camp LeJeune
22nd MEU, Camp LeJeune
At least one more unit in Marine Forces Reserve, Naval Support Activity, were given orders, meaning somwhere an additional Marine MEU will be deployed, probably a West Coast unit.
That sums to approx 6,600 Marines on duty with orders to deploy to Libya by the end of April, at least 1500 on Reserve stateside to fill in slots, and Navy SEAL teams attached to the 22nd fleet.
IDK what the other branches have going on so I won't comment on those.
One, Two Three, what are we fighting for?
Don't ask me a Don't give a Damn,
TOTUS SAYS STAY ON CAM,
Five, Six, Seven Eight,
THEY'RE ALL JUST INGRATES,
Ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopie! We're all going to lie.
26th MEU got busted up, 3/8 MAR (I'd bet the whole BLT) playin' in the Afghan. Backfilled w/~400 or so in a lash-up. Those are the guys who ran the TRAP last weekend.
Even if they build it up, a MEB is no-playa'.
- Ned
Sounds like boots on the ground to me. This is appalling...who is running this country?
The corporation citizens.
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Soetoro has his homie's backs.
He be signing that shit during March Madness in Brazil, been done.
-----------“”when does hillary meet with al qaeda?””---------------------------------
May already have happened. Watch for a scale down in Afghanistan. If they back way off then you know we done done it.
I'd just like to point out that it can't be a secret if you are reporting it as such. In the meantime, a paranoid mind would deduce that keeping the WOT alive and well is a full time job that requires, among other things, making sure the that the pond is always well stocked with well funded bad guys. I hope you catch my drift
Seriously. Did US hospitals give cranium x-rays to 75% of the people after birth? I just don't understand how completely and utterly clueless the US population is as to the rampant pillaging and plundering of this country (economically, politically, constitutionally, etc. al) for the last 5+ years. Mind you -- I am not as so nieve to think it hasn't been going on for much, much, much longer; however the outright blatant charades never cease to amaze me.
It's like they figure that they don't even have to try to cover it up anymore. Hell, they practically turn on the Emergency Broadcast System and announce it these days. Do they just know that people are too mesmerized by their flat screen TVs and iPads to just not give a fuck? When the 12-pack of domestic piss beer at the local 'Piggly Wiggly' runs out? When 'Joe Plumber' can't order up softcore porn on pay-per-view and smack it while the wife is out with the girlfriends? What does it take?
To me, anyone who has read any form of basic economic theory in High School should be able to catch on to the obvious shinannigans that are being played.
Of course, perhaps it's 4:45pm EST and the drinking on my end has begun (just beer for now) that I wax poetic.
My last thread of hope for the minority of humanity is beginning to fray ;)
EDIT: Beer fog grammar/spelling.
I agree time to get drunk. To the pub to start a fight with a donkey or elephant i don't care.
Sounds like a plan. You get the fat guy that smells like 'Chaps' and I'll get the overaged frat boy with the sweatpants and 'Beastie Boys' hat backwards..
I'll take the 30 something suburban white trash dude wearing $400 in helfinger and nikes trying to get somebody to hit on his muffintopped 2nd (out of 3) babies' momma. (to provoke a fight, help him out supporting the kids, or a 3 way, in any order)
She drive a Subaru? I think I might know this chick -- she's the girl in University that used to give handjobs to the guys that were sneaking a peek at your junk in the locker room and in denial about their sexuality -- in trade for MD/40 money..
A girl I was seeing at the time who was an emotional leech used to be friends with her while they were in Girl Scouts.
;)
Yes, yes it is time for more beer..
+50,000,000,000,000 of these young "ladies"/FRNs running around now a days. so it is probably not the exact same one. And you described the earlier versions of these dudes too. "She's pretty hot, right? All of us should hang out, right? We got a a kid together, but its all cool, right?"
The Ed show "Col Daffy is a dictator, right? We should help those rebels, right? George Bush sucks, but Obama is showing leadership, right?"
We get the media and politicians we deserve. Thanks to Tyler fo ZH for a glimmer of intellectual hope.
Indeed.
+1
Without ZH and other such outlets I think I would have resigned my life to waiting out my life expectancy with an expensive drug habit and cable TV. Thank $DEITY for intellectual stimulation.
More like a donkaphant....or elekey. They are all the same.
I sort of think the average person realizes the grave nature of the situation; however, I also tend to think they feel POWERLESS to do a darn thing about it. Could be wrong but it seems that way to me.
Arby, I sorta think very few have a clue.
O'b can't stand that Q-daffy takes back the towns those other guys say they captured the day before. That's Libyan mud on Uncle Sam's face. Can't have that.
Libya actions. Would Bush Jr get away with any of this? Pelosi, Reid would be all over him. Most amazing.
I knew I should have picked the Rebels in my Middle East Madness bracket.
this is a secret?? i'm glad we're helping out people who want to kick out the man who caused Lockerbie and probably other acts of madness. For once obama is doing his job.
Libyan oil may not be directly important to the U.S. but it is to Italy and other countries, and if the lack of oil hurts our allies, then indirectly it hurts us too.
the last thing al-queda wants is to rule a country; they are more interested in nation unbuilding than nation building. and al queda has lost a lot of respect from others in the ME since the revolutions don't have much of anything to do with Islam. so i am not too worried about al-queda in this instance.
I read this and I really don't know where to begin trying to help you understand how wrong you are on nearly every level.
I just want to take your post, push it into a hole in the ground, and bury it in some sort of mass grave of fail.
applicant for assistant junior apprentice troll. Only single digits of days old. Prognosis==not so good. - Ned
well i'm retarded but you don't have to make me feel bad. maybe you can learn me just one thing i said that was wrong.
and how come you have all the right answers and I don't?
So who's the good guys and who's the bad guys? I think that's what everyone is trying to figure out. The problem is that the old bad guys are the new good guys and then backwards all over again so the same goes for our allies you see because they might some day be our enemies. Blow back sucks and then blows back sucking more.
Frank... Junked - you violated Rule #1.
Rule #1. Don't be a retard.
Rule#1. Never go full retard. There, I fixed it for you.
Barocket Obomber.
/grin Well done!
zh td tenured alumnus et al luv you guys, a lot of you, but man, and im relatively on top of shit, like a lot, on the edge, slow down, too much fucking info, zombies may default reject, solution? echo chamber, preachin to choir, but i know the growth etc, i tell people all day everyday about zh etc, but still the broader you go the less cliquey it needs to get, im calling you out Cog Diss. as much as i may like you or despise you. just fer nuthin my favorite after all this time has to be Sudden Debt, that dude is funnee and i GET him. fukin euros. there, im done gettin all nascar jingo ;)
Shake and bake!
you type like a retard :(
Animal kingdom study reveals that, most of the time, pigs are far from being retarded...
that's a fact!
I really don't give a damn. I for one would love to see Gaddafi's ass bombed to the stone age. The world is better without him. Sometimes you have to pick a side instead critiquing from the sidelines.
but the real question is what was the Double Super Secret Order that he signed that the more transparent Super Secret Order served as cover for?
Well see, he wanted 2 Big Macs, super sized fries, super sized coke(aine), a pie, and some some smokes. That was the Double Super Secret Order. Michelle wanted him to have a salad, no smokes. Thus he ordered a Big Mac and Fries to throw her off, the Secret Order. Get it now?
i see. i figured it would be something as nefarious as that.
I guess it's not so secret anymore ...
Overheard at the White House.
Mr. Prez, the BP chairman on line one.
BO: Hello, what now?
BP: Mr. Prez, we are losing our asses in Libya. If we don't get that fucker out of there, we won't be able to afford any more corexit or campaign contibutions. Do something.
BO: I can't get into another war! They'll revoke my Nobel Prize.
BP: Either get our oil freed up over there or start planning what you're gonna do after you lose the next election.
BO: Consider it done, sir. Anything else?
second stop with this kind of headline is the huffpuke comment thread
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/30/obama--secret-order-libya-signe...
Someone go halfsies with me so we can line up a fuck-ton of fried chicken headed towards Fukushima for Obama and let the problem take care of itself.
I can see it now...
"OH... fried chicken! (nomz)... OH! fried chicken!! (nomz)... OH!! fried chicken! (nomz)... OH! *dead*"
Annnd peace in Libya soon thereafter.
Banzai, care to illustrate this for us?
Just tell the libs that Obama is really Dick Cheney in disguise. That should get some heads exploding!
Obama is a muslim.
didn't you folks get the memo?
http://www.remnantofgod.org/archives/images/Obama-muslim.jpg
Well, this is big news isn't it... US covert action to support a democratic rebellion against a maniacal dictator ofan oil rich middle east country... wow, who'da thunk it!
Sounds like more socialist, Communist, Muslim activism to me...lol!
what's next? Jemen - Oman - Bahrain - Syria - Saudi - and again a nightmare in Iran.
Stop worrying! American idle, Minute to win and Dancing with the Stars on tonight.
Zzzzzzz. Opps, fell asleep again.
Also, no one has junked me yet. Not a real ZHer until someone junks me
Whats really amazing is what a dissembling jerk the POTUS is. Now expect the GOP (other than McCain, etc) to start picking this covert policy apart, and when they get their back up, they switch their intransigence to every target of opportunity, like budget reform and the debt ceiling. In the end they will do what Democrats could never accomplish when Bush started Iraq, they can cut off funding. Democrats voted to raise the debt ceilling, even while they disagreed with the Iraq war.
The real danger here is that the war isn't resolved quickly (check) and that it will spill across Libya's borders, (the whole region is a regime change zone). So do we give the rebels the weapons that are game changers, and watch those weapons hit the underground black market, or give them just enough fire power to keep this thing going until it gets really ugly, or do we put boots on the ground (to the shores of Tripoli, incidentally the Marine Corps had a strategic downgrade the other day, lots of reasons, among them their poor (relative) performance in Iraq and Afghanistan, and their outmoded reliance on amphibious tactics.)
and taking out Qaddafi won't settle anything, especially if his sons, and his hand pick successors have control. It took a while to get all the Baathists out of Iraq, and there was a lot of innocent blood shed along the way. But if it's Obama, bet on more of the same of whatever it is.
They were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die."
Looks like Obama really is bringing a CHANGE.
this is silly.
The move into Libya came in the blink of an eye. Can anyone remember a quicker UN sanction vote? The fix was in on this. OPEC, OECD and the US want the Colonel out and they are going to do whatever it takes. Even if they don't have a clue as to who those rebels are. Someone thinks no matter what happens that light sweet Libyan crude needs to keep flowing to Europe so what else matters?
If I was Gadaffi, I'd have my jet and my gold ready to go
if there was 1/10th of 1% of the evidence that Sarah Palin was born in Scotland as there is that barry was born in kenya cnn would talk of "nothing"else 24/7.no news of a tsunami,nuclear meltdown ,,nothing.Constitution???
Obviously Obama doesn't just lie about what he promises to do and not do in his campaign promises, he can't keep a secret order secret either.
Uh, President Milkdud really does not need to keep anything a secret, he openly flaunts lawless behavior and the willing press falls right in line.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming.
We've been bombing Libya for over a week - what's so covert about the support?
CIA on ground.
Like that was shock to anyone.
Give me a fucking break.
Did you not get the memo?
Or should I say; did you not read the engraved brass plaque that hangs in every oil producing country from Middle East to Russia and South America.
Stop being naive chaps.
CIA = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE
No more no less.
SSssshhhhhh....!
I's a secret.
Fucking American control freaks.
Dictators in disguise.
Where the hell is the disguise?
Buy the number of Junks I see on a few comments,I see the USA Gubberment has some very well trained,patriotic sheep....
Well done.
As Obama's approval rating craters at home it's time to -
WAG THE DOG
I'd ask if anyone around here is from around Langley VA themselves but I'm not one to stand in front of a stampede. www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24041
Obama what a freaking puppet!!
meet the new boss same as the old boss.
brother boss same as the other boss
Cindy Sheehan is still camping out in texas, wait till she finds out about this new guy, there will be hell to pay...er, whats that you say, she works for the Ministry of Information now?
Okay I'll bite.
If it's a secret order, then why is it being broadcast far and wide? WTF?
/back to lurking
Obama may have signed something, but he has no real authority. The last US president was Woodrow Wilson. Bankers have called the shots since then.
The fact that a MSM outlet published this "leak" should tell us there's an ulterior motive.
Five wars, or almost wars...Libya, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen and Afghanistan.
L-I-P-Y-A
Close enough for government work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYr36NBTls0&feature=feedu
Fucking Hillarious
Jeremy Scahill Attempts To Remove Ed's Lips From Obama's Ass (unsuccessfully)