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Obama Prepares Executive Order For Indefinite Detention

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Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:18 | 822633 Rahm
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Is this some kind of sick joke?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:37 | 822687 High Plains Drifter
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No, its not a joke, unfortunately.  I wonder is anyone watching?  Its like George Carlin said one time, nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care.  It makes me sick to see what is happening in this country, sick to my stomach, knowing full well someday soon, good men will die for all of this , trying to stop them before it is too late. We Americans simply do not ever learn from history.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:44 | 822702 theXman
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There is no change. 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:24 | 822974 chet
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THE SKY IS FALLING!  THE SKY IS FALLING!

While this order is legal bullshittery, just as it was under Bush, it is clearly just an attempt to deal with the poor saps already locked up in Guantanamo, not an effort to end dissent and lock us all up.

The time to get pissed about this was when GW Bush started this crap nine years ago.  But I'm guessing that many of you Obama haters conveniently overlooked it at the time.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:38 | 823003 tmosley
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I love how you simply dismiss anyone criticizing this move because they should have criticized it ten years ago.  Here's a fucking hint, a lot of us WERE, and many more have since woken up and realized what is going on in this country.

Stop fucking pretending like everyone who is against the policies of the current administration is a member of the fucking republican party.  This partisan bullshit is EXACTLY the reason that we are all in the clutches of the two headed snake.  

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:47 | 823023 Kyron95131
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/agree

divide and conquer

but in this case its the mind, which has already suffered massive casualties over the last decades

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:06 | 823062 chet
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I'm troubled by it.  I think that the Constitution has been trashed over the last ten years basically without a peep from the judicial branch.

What I'm really just commenting on here is the ZH tendency to jump to conspiracy theories and a bunker mentality.

To me this sounds like nothing more ominous than attempt number whatever to deal with the prisoners at Guantanamo who no one can figure out what to do with. 

The administration's only other option is to take the position that they can't be held indefinitely.  Since no one knows what to do with them, that isn't really an option.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:20 | 823087 New_Meat
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chet:

"...the Constitution has been trashed over the last ten years..."

Try 80 years. or some here would go back to 1913 or so.

And the administration's position was that they could not be held indefinitely.

So I've fired up the ol' popcorn machine, got a bit of coconut oil, gonna sit back and watch the moonbats go crazy.  After all, they were promised an end to Camp X-Ray et al.

Oh, yes, they know what to do with "them".  just, well, either alternative isn't really politically attractive for their bigger picture.

- Ned

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:36 | 823128 WaterWings
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Since no one knows what to do with them, that isn't really an option.

Uh, really? 

Hey, how dya like the TSA feel-ups? Oh, you go through the scanner?

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 09:14 | 823519 docj
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Yours is pretty typical thinking for people who seem to believe all life started with Bush v. Gore in December 2000.

Here's a hint, we're nearing (hopefully) the end (hopefully) of a long train of abuses, going back at least to 1929 if not 1913 or even before.  History did not begin the day the phrase "hanging chat" pitifully entered our lexicon.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:48 | 823027 Things that go bump
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The kings of France had this power prior to the revolution.  They could have anyone thrown into prison at any time.  No charges, no trial, no appeal, no sentence, no release.  Those unfortunates stayed in prison until the king released them or they died.  It was notorious and could happen to anyone.  It was one of the causes of the French Revolution.  There really was a man in an iron mask imprisoned in the Bastille, you know.  He was held under a lettre de cachet.   

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 01:57 | 823301 Aristarchan
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And these days, the French once again have this power....but as a collective, and, under more civilized conditions, I assume.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 02:30 | 823340 Things that go bump
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Do they really?  Isn't it funny how those old injustices we fought revolutions over long ago and thought were vanquished keep rising from the dead.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 02:41 | 823353 Aristarchan
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Governments, like all entities, are required by human nature to protect themselves via laws. No oppression every truly goes away, and no revolution ever truly wins. We only get the same, resurrected with new, temporarily palatable stripes. Much like business, human suffering and dissent is cyclical.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 13:22 | 824128 ronin12
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That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history. - Aldous Huxley

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 06:49 | 823441 Slim Pickens
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The French now "collectively" have the right to imprison someone with no charges, no trial, no appeal, no sentence and no release?  What are you going on about?

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 12:01 | 823899 Bob
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Meanwhile, we have Barry presiding over the end of genuine net neutrality while posing as the guy who is saving it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-rosenbaum/breaking-fcc-breaks-obama_...

Time to set Bush-Cheney bickering aside--not only could they have not pulled this stuff off, they are not now the guys driving it home.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 13:06 | 824092 ThePhysicist
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The problem with the detainees began when they became "detainees." Even Bush's policies were too politically correct in this regard, to take these combatants into custody. They should have been executed on the battlefield. No prisoners in the first place, problem solved.

 

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 14:50 | 833899 BigJim
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Hmmm... you appear to be ignoring the fact that most of these detainees were not captured on a battlefield in the heat of battle, but handed over by our 'allies' in Afghanistan in return for bounty money.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:47 | 823025 SMG
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Many of the people here know what is going on.  Tell as many outside this forum as you can what is happening to freedom.  They won't understand at first, but keep at it. The truth in the hands of as many people as possible, THAT is our only hope.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 03:08 | 823367 Aristarchan
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Of course, you are right. But, I am not sure I really, fully understand what the real truth is. And, even a man who knows the truth must have the will, the desire, and the ability to act on that truth. Truth without action is just another lie.

"I will give you all the truth you can stand, brother, but will kill you if you accuse me of it."

- Aristarchan

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:50 | 822724 LeBalance
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Take the covers from mine eyes,

See the fecal covered mass,

Used to see it as Red and Blue and White!

But I know it now as darker than night.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:48 | 822892 traderjoe
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A bit off thread, but relevant to the increasing fascism:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1705701323&play=1

CNBC analyst pushing for a "global cashless society". Can you imagine - one further step to a chip implanted in you (with your bank account information) - with Big Brother able to access everything. 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:53 | 822902 Kali
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http://www.moneynews.com/Economy/GovernmentChecks/2010/12/21/id/380555

Just posted this on another thread, but,

May 1- new SS recipients will no longer gets checks in mail, electronic only.

March 1, 2013- all SS recipients will have to switch to electronic.

 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:00 | 822920 tip e. canoe
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roll them sixes baby.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:05 | 822927 Testicular Cancer
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CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN?  lol

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:27 | 822979 jeff montanye
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them sixes is the boxcars rolling over the obama admin.  i'm not saying what's next will be better, but this guy's losing.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:39 | 823004 traderjoe
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Everything he's done is a part of the 'plan'...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:25 | 823088 Problem Is
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"The 'Change' is in your pocket. You're unemployed now?  That is more of 'The Change.' "

"You see 'The Change' is working..."
Stupid Internet Bear #1

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 06:50 | 823442 Croesus
Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:57 | 823173 Johnny Dangereaux
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Not really off thread Joey...that guy is a typical Zionist scumbag and a bigger threat to OUR Country than any "terrorist"...Lipow? suck my ass now! He obviously is a dual citizen, just like that other lover of America and Freedom, Rahmdick.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 03:50 | 823388 AnAnonymous
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CNBC analyst pushing for a "global cashless society".

 

To  help America (the US)

US citizens will not be targeted by the bad consequences (or only a few of them, and mostly the usual suspects)

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:52 | 822730 Nathan Muir
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The only people that care are the folks this tyrannical gov wants to lock up.  Anybody catch Holder last night...."American extremist" are America's biggest threat?  Watch out Paul/Kucinich supporters, this means you... the enlightened crowd, you're the enemy. Why has this happened here you ask....because abundance morphs into complacancy, which morphs into apathy, which morphs into dependency....and then comes tyranny.  It is coming....oh wait, already here. 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:09 | 822787 keep the bastar...
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Guru Prechtor told everyone to get their things and get out 10 years ago.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 03:20 | 823048 DavidPierre
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The Elliott Wave Guru,  Prechtor, has the same intellectual depth and flexible perdictability that allowed pre-Coperican astrologers to explain all observed planet movements, even though their underlying theory of an Earth-centered universe was wrong. 

He's 30 years late and a few dollars short.

 Kent State Massacre, May 1970

          Ex-Pated, July, 1970

.................................................................

Déjà Vu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WolPmj1-XM

 Ohio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGrgcoR0dkc&feature=related

 Almost Cut My Hair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXenEK0h6qg

Must be because I have the flu this Christmas

That I'm not feeling up to par

It increases my paranoia

Like lookin at my mirror and seeing a police car

 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:41 | 822873 High Plains Drifter
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In the end, places like Guantanamo, were always meant for you and I, and  the innocent Afghans, that they threw in there, were merely test subjects to see how we would react to people being locked up without benefit of habeas corpus and adequate counsel. Nobody seemed to care because we were told this was to protect us from those evil terrorist, but now , just who is this evil terrorist? Well of course , it was always you and I all along. I have always known it to be so.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:47 | 822889 clymer
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"not one dime"

"you can take that to the bank"

"I will end the wars"

"I taught constitutional law"

 

..where are the star-struck democrats that railed against 'dubya'? Too proud to admit you got duped?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:35 | 822992 Plainview
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as an Obama supporter at the time -primarily because I backed him to win at 20/1- I have to agree. This guy is going to get his ass handed to him so bad in 2012; Eric Cartman has a better chance of being the next POTUS.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:52 | 823032 Jasper M
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+1! You made me waf. 

All I need now is to hear Holder demand "respect  ma  atority!"

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:09 | 823064 High Plains Drifter
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We saw the Holder game during the Clinton years.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 00:01 | 823181 The Alarmist
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Nice sentiment, but you might want to look at the distribution of electoral college votes and see how close 2012 will already be, and then consider the fact that a number of "get out the vote" actions, including hundreds of billions of slush funds, aka stimulus money, are going to be dedicated to filling in any gaps. It would be reasonable to doubt that the Big O will get his A handed to him in 2012.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 05:20 | 823415 Hot Shakedown
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His Kenyon ass is toast. Never before has there been anyone in the White House who basically did the opposite of every campain pledge, lied, and openly espoused them self as :

Anti American
Anti Christian
Anti business

The guy is a joke and has alienated himself from EVERY demographic part of the country. How can he possibly defend himself in 2012? What is he responsible for to date? He is history.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 09:44 | 823550 chubbar
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Big O can't run in 2012 without handing over his long form birth certificate. The one that states the hospital, date/time of birth, delivery doctor and has a raised seal. Something he has spent over 2 million dollars to avoid doing to date. Several states now have laws on the books, passed since 2008 because of his reticence to produce his long form, requiring the proper vetting of presidential candidates, something you would have thought they would have considered without a law. Nonetheless, Obama is hiding something (reference his first presidential act of sealing all his past records) and will NOT run again in 2012 but will be removed or decline for some unknown reason. Remember where you heard it first :).

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 11:21 | 823788 Fearless Rick
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While on the surface it seems dubious, you are absolutely correct. The states do have those laws and Onama will have to produce the BC, meaning he either will not run again or they've already produced a great-looking phony document.

For now, I'll go with the theory that he won't run, in which case, one of three possible scenarios emerges. One, he goes quietly into the night, on the grounds that he's worn out, wants to spend more time with Michelle and the girls, blah, blah, blah, or he suffers a primary defeat at the hands of the hated Hillary.

Third scenario is the nightmare, where we're under martial law, or at war with China or some other impressive foe (though China is the 800 pound gorilla).

Of the three, none are good, but I'd think the Hillary option is the one most likely.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 12:32 | 823981 The Alarmist
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Nice thinking, but the ship on birth certificates has done sailed, and Big O will no doubt be accepted on grounds of personal recognisance as being qualified to run for the office.

In fact, I would say the odds are non-trivial that he will still be in the WH in 2018.

 

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 01:42 | 823283 Triggernometry
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I'd have to agree this policy will inevitably be turned against dissent.

Efficiency breeds surplus which breeds luxury which breeds inequality. Its no coincidence the societies with least technology have the least inequality.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:12 | 822794 samsara
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"The illusion of freedom [in America ] will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater." ~Frank Zappa
Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:29 | 822839 macholatte
Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:50 | 823160 samsara
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Hat Tip to you friend.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 11:29 | 823807 Lower Class Elite
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Just shut up and play yer guitar!  :)

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