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Obama Prepares Executive Order For Indefinite Detention
First president Obama becomes Bush in all but name with respect to his predecessor's economic policies, and now he follows by espousing Bush's interpretation of "civil rights" as well. According to Pro Publica, the White House is preparing an Executive Order for indefinite detention. And while the premise behind a comparable draft has been circulating around for 18 months, the uptake was seen as problematic. The "humanitarian" premise behind the order is that it will "provide for the periodic reviews of evidence against dozens of prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay... and allow for the possibility that detainees from countries like Yemen might be released if circumstances change." That's the theory. The "practice" is that the Order will, as the name implies, afford the administration the option of "indefinite detention as a long-term Obama administration policy and
makes clear that the White House alone will manage a review process for
those it chooses to hold without charge or trial." In other words all those, and we assume that the Order is not merely targeting those involved in September 11, and is wider in its scope, who are perceived by the administration as "high value detainees" will be denied due process, and will be held in captivity essentially indefinitely with no legal recourse, for as long as the "review process" so deems fit. As for the "theory" aspect, Politico summarizes just how much of a bold lie Obama's promise two years ago to close Guantanamo has become: "Nearly two years after Obama's pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo,
more inmates there are formally facing the prospect of lifelong
detention and fewer are facing charges than the day Obama was elected." In other words, Obama has one upped Dubya not only when it comes to Republican economic policy, but has in fact surpassed his abrogation of basic human rights. And seeing how in the aftermath of the Assange arrest (speaking of which, Julian better run following this announcement), it is only a matter of time before that whole 'Internet free speech' premise is perceived to be a form of treason, by the likes of Biden, Palin and Lieberman, potentially punishable if not by death, then certainly indefinite, lifelong detention.
More from Pro Publica:
After taking office, the Obama administration reviewed the detainee population at Guantanamo Bay and chose 48 prisoners for indefinite detention. Officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that number will likely increase in coming months as some detainees are moved from a transfer category to a continued detention category.
If signed by President Obama, the new order will provide added review for detainees designated for long-term detention. The order, which is being drafted jointly by White House staff in the National Security council and the White House counsel, will offer detainees in this category a minimal review every six months and then a more lengthy annual review. Detainees will have access to an attorney, to some evidence against them and the ability to challenge their continued detention.
Prisoners who have been deemed "high-value detainees," including the alleged conspirators of the 2001 attacks, have been designated for prosecution in civilian or military courts.
In 2008, Guantanamo detainees won the right to challenge the lawfulness of their detention in court. The executive order aims to create an executive branch review which would occur separately from the court review and would weigh the necessity of the detention, rather than its lawfulness, officials said.
"Perhaps the dangerousness of the detainee's country of origin could change, or the group that the detainee is affiliated with could cease to exist," one official explained.
Sorry to interject, but the humor factor of the possibility that someone would be released from Guantanamo after the CIA lowers the threat level of i.e., Yemen from burgndy to mauve, is just as powerful as that of someone stating that Bernanke will ever stop printing monetary ones and zeroes.
At the end of the day, this is merely another example of what happens when Congress refuses to play ball:
Weeks later, administration officials said the White House had decided to work with Congress on indefinite detention, rather than through Executive Order. But by the end of 2009, the White House had said it would not support legislation.
Then, in 2010, a government task force on Guantanamo completed a year-long review that placed 48 detainees in long-term detention. In its report, task force members said those detainees would be "subject to periodic Executive Branch review."
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Jameel Jaffer, a national security lawyer at the American Civil Liberties Association, agreed that "more review is better." But he said that an executive order would only "normalize and institutionalize indefinite detention and other policies," that were set in place by the Bush administration.
While we hope we are wrong, we have this very nagging feeling that the timing and sudden reappearance of this order on the docket is in advance of one or more charges of espionage about to be lobbed at Wikileaks... And to think, all Julian Assange threatened to do was to take down Bank of America, something that should have happened over two years ago if that whole 'free market', risk/return thing was even remotely close to what it is taught to be at various ivy draped business schools.
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The polish camps were particularly savage and not particularly well-known due to their efficiency in operation
Yes, you are right. A matter of pride for some people.
Many of the German generals were officers and gentlemen. When General Johannes Blaskowitz, commander of German forces in Poland , complained about some of the activities there, he was summarily fired and then later reassigned to France.
well, granted I have no stats or research creds, but I seriously doubt you could classify the wonderful fucking Nazi "gentlemen" as "many"
VI, loss was all around in those days.
Here in India, during the british brokered "partition" of India, many millions of lives were lost.
All to "maraudng" bands of "vigilante" hindus or muslims, depending on which side of the story you wanted believe.
Millions died, far more than even the biggest hollow-cost claims.
My family is exactly half from the now Pakistan side and half from "original" India.
And my mother, father, uncles, aunts, all saw it first hand, live, border crossings, lynchings et. al.
And yet no two can corroborate a story, yet they can perfectly corroborate their hatred for "muslims".
I hope that tells you something. Family histories are just as given to distortion as national ones.
The victor's version of history is always the remembered one. You are here at ZH because you do not believe one big lie. I suggest you look at all the others too.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
Hi ORI,
I have no doubt that the hands of many Jews are dirty. I'm not blinded. Many who post about "Jewish" attrocities have merit. I am more interested in those who just "hate." Especially those who hide their distorted hate behind sound reason. Take care.
I am a Jew.
...
ORI
define "hate"
At various times, I've seen you accuse many of hate for pointing out what are really "hate facts." Those being facts that run against what is politically correct to say, which expose said as a lie or a sham.
I think we figured out you were a jew quite awhile ago...no revelation here. However, you seem to be quick on the draw with the racist tag when people simply state facts. It's always as if there must be some agenda lurking.
As you know from your clan-history, the tribe has been run out of every country they've ever been in. When the entire world dislikes you, is it really everybody else? I mean, I am highly disagreeable at times and I have never once characterized dislike of me as others' problems. It's not the rest of the world, it's me. Sure, perhaps I am misunderstood and not malicious, but seriously...
I've had this discussion with other jews and been told that white people just have an anti-semitic "kink" in them. This level of self-deception is mindblowing.
I don't really have time to address this fetish with "hate" and I put that in quotes because nobody can really define it. It's whatever you say it is. "those who hate," is a kind of a STRAWMAN. It is really rather clever in its lack of intellectual rigor. Especially because it cannot be disproven.
Am I a hater? You can say I am...how can I demonstrate that I'm not? I cannot anymore than I can prove I am not a racist. Recognizing this, I just laugh at people who toss these nebulous terms about. They are intended as nothing more than cloture tactics in the face of hate facts.
Thank you for giving me your time, trav. And, I defer to your intelligence. In a war of words, there is no doubt you are the stronger avatar.
Also, you are right about my continual jump in to the "Jewish" fray around here. I've overplayed the message. It's going to be lights out for the VI regarding this topic.
I am a person, who, for whatever reason, has always looked for injustice/unfairness. I have always stood next to anyone who was on the wrong side of an attack when they didn't deserve it. Call it what you will, but that's me. It's the reason I enjoy ZH. The reason why I have made it all too obvious that I am Jewish. I'm looking for the people in this world who perpetuate unreasonable injustice, unfairness, et al. Drawn to them. Hope to embarrass them - have done worse. It's the reason I get people to clarify their position whenever the "J" rhetoric starts around here. Everyone who listens to me knows this. It's my game. So, on we go.
The klan were haters. The modern day version white supremest groups are the same. The list is endless, really. Race, religioun, sexual orientation, culture, et al, have all suffered at the hands of "hate." You really don't need a definition for hate, trav, you know what it is. It's not some meaningless word.
I'm proud of my people, trav. And we don't need to debate what the definition of "people" are in the Jewish context. You and everyone else who have read my posts on the subject know where I stand.
Are there Jews who are an insult to the people who call themselves Jews? Yes, without a doubt. You name a religion, culture, race who can't say the same. I'm just a person who loves my Jewish heritage, trav. And probably not the best example, btw, as i do consider myself a religious atheist. That being said, most Jews, whatever level of faith/tradition, feel a kinship towards each other. And we don't have a lock on kinship, btw. Another obvious example would be Italians - the list is endless.
I have always been drawn to some of what you say, trav. Partly because what you have to say makes sense, but also because some of your statements appear to have a distinct undertone. I use the following as an example (with my reply) below. Not the best example, but those, like me, who see you as having your own agenda, buried within an opinion, will recognize "it" too:
by trav7777on Sat, 12/18/2010 - 20:28
#816239
naw...they'll blame whoever their Messiah tells them to.
People don't understand Hitler...it was a guy who made plausible scapegoats out of groups and the majority just wanted to be told what to do. Just make it stop.
I mean look at the current discourse of blame. Whose fault is it, still Busch's or is it all NeObama?
The herd is and always will be the herd. Expecting them to wake up and understand is like expecting your dog to respond to your query of why he shat on the rug. They lack the capacity to do it, ok?
Do what the elites do, mercilessly shear them. Because the worthless shits deserve it.
by Village Idiot
on Sun, 12/19/2010 - 00:00
#816532
I was with you until, "Because the worthless shits deserve it." You are the minority in this regard. Weak spot.
I missed the number of junks when I moved my post over, btw. To be fair, there was one. Anyway, trav, who are you, really? I sort of envision you as a person who has somewhat of a "supremacist" lean. IMO, you mix common sense with something else.
Help me and the others on this board who don't always trust your message (perhaps wrongly) to understand you better. You said, "Sure, perhaps I am misunderstood and not malicious, but seriously..." clear it up for me, trav, because, "Am I a hater? You can say I am...how can I demonstrate that I'm not? I cannot anymore than I can prove I am not a racist" is just too convenient for a person of your intellect. I call bullshit.
EDIT: On a much more subtle level, here is where your responses could be construed more than one way:
Regarding my comment that I lost my family to Polish concentration camps, your reply was -
by trav7777on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 22:19
#823083
"The polish camps were particularly savage and not particularly well-known due to their efficiency in operation"
And when I profess to not knowing where my family was exterminated -
by trav7777on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 02:06
#823365
"Belzec and Treblinka most likely"
So what is the reason for pointing out the efficiency in the way people were exterminated (my family included) in Poland, and, speculating on where my family might have been killed? Are you just trying to be helpful in some way, trav? Or, is this the oh so subtle sleight that you are capable of? taken in context, I wonder. But as you have already made clear, only you know who you are, buddy.
"Am I a hater? You can say I am...how can I demonstrate that I'm not? I cannot anymore than I can prove I am not a racist." I call bullshit.
edited - multiple times.
How old are you and your age at the loss of your family members? I am partially Polish and recently toured Poland. What concentration camps? Just wondering? Milestones
Hi Miletones,
My mother’s grandparents their child and a brother of my great grandfather made it out of Poland. No more. My immediate family lived in Warsaw. I don't know which camps they were interned to. I'd rather not volunteer my age, but I think you get the picture.
edited.
Belzec and Treblinka most likely
...
the khazars are not biblical jews. seventh century eastern european converts to jadaism ( no thats not a typo) Identity theft on a global scale (where did the term scapegoat originate? )
I would like to go into this with village idiot , if would indulge me some about it. What exactly does it mean when someone says they are a jew? I am a questioner. I ask questions. I am also a Christian and believe me, there are many questions I have about all of that subject as well. To me, every subject is open to discussion due to the fact that our history as we have been taught it, is full of lies and deceit. Ever since I woke up the fires inside of my mind have burned brightly, never to be extinguised again by nonsense. If only every American was like this. For me, the path is clear. I will continue searching for real truth, in all of my ways. My family has pretty well rejected me and cast me out, my friends laugh at me and say that I am crazy but these actions happen to those who dare to ask the questions and discuss the issues that need to be discussed, the issues that make ears itch and people feel unconfortable and insecure. I have heard men talk who are in their 60's and 70's about truth, having known it since they were young. Can you imagine it? Being rediculed and scorned your whole life, trying to tell people what is really going on and now you are in your later years of life and still going strong. God what men these are. I salute them.
Hi HPD,
I understand your plight, and agree with much of your post. Please read my somewhat lengthy reply to trav777, if you wish (look up). I think you will get a better understanding of where I'm coming from. And thank you for taking the time to give me a better understanding of who you are. Happy Holidays.
Cramer's latest tweet...
"Some Actionalertsplus.com names here--$BAC is terrific now; no selling $INTC--that's wrong, $ARMH up too much to buy"
Better load up on those BAC shorts.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- And Americans (and other western country populous) have become damn good at doing nothing while their criminal governments clearly destroy their freedoms at a blistering pace. More docile than any cattle ever could be. Unbelievable really that it's actually come to this, but here we are, and the future for us and our children looks hellish.
Gulag Bitchez!
Exactly. We're a show-trial away from the USSR in the 30's.
The sickest part of this to me is the thousands of soldiers who have died in the last decade thinking they were defending of "democracy" and "freedom".
If freedom=police state, and democracy = corporate fascism, what kind of upside are we offering Iraq and Afghanistan?
duo,
Last decade? What happened to the poor kids that got sent to Viet Nam for some"Domino Theory" propped up corrupt government. When we decided the first dictators weren't up to snuff they were told to get out of town while we supported the next mob boss. Why in the hell would you go and prop up a country whose military wont get in the front lines. FOLLOW THE MONEY!
point taken. Nam was easily as immoral as our adventures in the Middle East.
.
"Bawlin' John" Boehner is likely quite pleased, what with the emergence of Bush III..."Barry is clearly a man with whom we can deal. Hell, he even smokes Marlboro Reds just like me."
Meet the new boss; same as the old boss. Won't (Will) get fooled again.
The Fifth Amendment:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Pretend Constitutional lawyer Obama loves tyranny.
The NEW FOUNDERS Pat Act supercedes this.
Is it tyranny or irony?
It's just a piece of paper. Kinda like fiat paper. Oh wait.....
Watch that 2nd Amendment phrase get some serious interpretation.
This ain't no party, this ain't disco, this ain't no foolin' around.
This ain't no Mudd Club, or CBGB, I ain't got time for that now.
+1 and +1 for the talking heads ref.
yep, "... except in cases ..." and now in Hague and Geneva.
WWII had all kinds of German EPWs in camps in Wisconsin and Minnesoooooota (McCoy and Ripley and ...). Lotta them stayed after the war.
- Ned
Come for the cool tats . Stay because you have to .
Paging James Kunstler, paging James Kunstler.
Your banjo is at the Southwest courtesy desk.
Hey, hey watch that banjo stuff. I'm real sensitive about banjo jokes.
To the dumbasses quoting the fifth amendment, this is for Non Americans... adjust your outrage accordingly.
Mission creep is the faux change you can believe in: non-Americans gone today, non-non-Americans gone tomorrow.
Non Americans aren't persons?
Perhaps, but genitalia often forage in the forest.
Gretel, come on--Non Americans are Non Americans. That means that the Constitutional protections for citizens are not for them.
Well, except in the WH and the 9th Circus.
So they get to be persons, even get free emergency room care, even get to have a baby with instant citizenship.
But, well, Enemy Prisoners of War, well, they aren't even like U.S. convicted criminals.
Rights? They have certain well described rights. And yes, they get to be persons. They get to be supported by Newsweek BK, Time, almost BK etc.
- Ned
They aren't persons with rights in the United States. At least they shouldn't have. Otherwise, why don't you just let the whole fucking world waltz over the border??
Visitors to this country should have civil rights too, including free speech and the right to due process of law. Otherwise, why would anyone want to visit? Illegal immigration is not the issue here.
We citizens would like those rights as well.
I think you're safe .... I mean who would want to come the way things are developing over there? I'd be more concerned with hoping people in other countries don't feel the same way you do about the issue ... you might need somewhere to go yourself one day soon?
Don't try talking sense in here. It dampens the paranoia buzz.
Oh, that's right, God only gave inalienable rights to Amerikans.
pods
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Context. We're talking about the 5th. Of course other people have the same rights, we're talking about the U.S. and it's Executive Branch.
So I should not be upset because why? This order would give force of law to the willful abrogation of another's God given rights. Sorry, I do not care who it applies to, or who is enforcing it. All I care about is that we can now sleep warm in our beds knowing that some others might be whisked away to God knows where, never to be seen again.
pods
Google Martin Niemoeller or directly check out the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
Google Martin Niemoeller or directly check out the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
Google Martin Niemoeller or directly check out the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
Sure, awlaki is an enemy combatant and a traitor. maybe he deserves to be shot. But as an American citizen he is entitled to be tried first. even in absentia. you know, the constitution law thingy. maybe a little evidence, a court finding and declaration of sentence. but we're just going to skip that part. BHO is just gonna declare it and pass sentence. We can trust him, right?
http://washingtonexaminer.com/op-eds/2010/11/austin-bay-forget-aclu-al-awlaki-poses-threat?quicktabs_1=1
and now we're just going hold people until whenever. so how long do you think it will only apply to Non-Americans?
Is not (was not) the Rule of Law even more important for marginal and difficult circumstances? May Guantanamo be one of the exceptions used to obviate the Rule?
Slippery slopes, bitches!!!!
Obama wants to incarcerate his domestic enemies........forever.
Christ, are there THAT many FEMA camps?
If you count fusion centers.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/23/fusion-centers-expand-criteria-identify-militia-members/
wow...anyone w/ the 3rd party or anyone w/ a don't tread on me flag.
GOD FORBID you reference the founding fathers or Thomas Paine or anything like that...fucking LOCK YOU UP.
I'd bet that posting to ZH is considered a terrorism nexus. Because ANYONE who doesn't swallow the government's line or threatens the party duopoly is now a fucking threat and a terrorist.
I SUPPORT all this shit, because of 911. 911 showed us that terrorists all have Bob Barr stickers and Don't Tread on Me flags. I mean, this was clearly the missing connection, right?
I'd get out (or get serious) ..... and soon, if I were l were living there. Good chance we're all on some kind of 'list' ... things are speeding up.
Really rams home how apathetic most people are ... Where are the millions of idolating meat bags we saw at his pre election rallies? Don't they care about the blatantly obvious 'promise one thing and then do another' sham that has been perpetrated on them?
I guess it is just a matter of time before our government reconfirms their boot licking, lap dog status and announces something similar .....
Tried to buy a BB gun for my kids for X-Mas ... bad enough I have to use my firearm licence to buy a toy in first place .... then I get - Your item has been confiscated by customs because it is a prohibbited class D weapon, you need written permission from the Attorney General for such a dangerous and illegal weapon ... this is despite my state police department issuing me with a "permit to import" and "permission to acquire"
We are so fucked when this shit comes to town here......
Speaking of............my neighbor finally peeled his Obama sticker off his car. Guess he realized it marked him as one of the dumb cunts that voted for the liar in chief.
Careful, lets just say some of us did cast our votes for big O but the options were not real strong...I know some voted for Georgey boy probably would like that one back bout now as well.
That's kinda the trouble when you really only have candidate A or A1 to choose from. In the end, I'm guessing I wouldn't be much happier w/ McCain bout now though I'd be willing to go back and find out.
Starve the beast: don't vote. Voting is a complete sham, especially on the national level.
Dupe
Trip
HUH?
You're an IDIOT.
You ACCEDED to their two party A/A1 SHAM.
There were half a DOZEN other candidates on the ballot, ALL of whom had "no chance" simply because of rubes like YOU.
Because you went INTO the polling place having decided to VOLUNTARILY PARTICIPATE in the 2 party system.
THEY framed the election FOR YOU and you swallowed it.
Look at your false dilemma...Muhcane or NeObama. There exists no other option in your mind.
All you idiots who were afraid of "wasting" your vote...well, guess what, YOU WASTED IT.
You're making a lot of sense tonight Trav..... a little less abrasive than usual. You hit the nail with your above comment. Exact same problem we face year in and year out here. We finally got a hung parliament with a 3rd party and few independants and all the media has done is harp about how everything is now the "independants" fault because they won't tow the line and nothing is getting done ... I say best result ever - government is largely (how you say) hogtied and impotent.
Sorry, McCain had that ignorant piece of tail Palin tied around his neck like an albatross.
He didn' like Palin. He had to have her there as his VP candidate. The hidden hand, told him to do it and he complied like the good little bought off slave he is (just like his daddy was) and this was for the future purposes. Nobody knew who she was. Now everyone does. She has her own reality tv program on now. Do you think this is by accident? She wears a Israeli flag pin on her lapel. Yep, they know what she is about and they intend on using her for their purposes. Palin is a idiot, but a useful idiot. They may run her for the Presidency.
Too bad so few dim bulbs realize how little power the vice president actually has. She would've been a sideshow just like Biden.
Yeah, until the old goat had a "stroke."
There are two sides to every political divorce: Yours and Shithead's.
I'm doing a market survey; did he use this product?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=201pgTaEseQ
really, I'm thinking of investing. Might be behind the curve on this, however. Saw the census results (implications on congressional districting. I'm two thumbs up that we here in the Commonwealth of MA will be losing a congress critter.
Heavy voting that Bawney has to go, but those are the early returns. Any way, we'll lose one of a bad lot.
- Ned
Cabella's wouldn't mail me a pellet or a bb gun cause I live in Taxachusetts. Funny thing is the law in Taxachusetts allows those thingies without a permit.
Cabella's wouldn't mail me a pellet or a bb gun cause I live in Taxachusetts. Funny thing is the law in Taxachusetts allows those thingies without a permit.
I've decided to live forever, or die trying.
My bags are packed, i'm ready to go. Time to revisit the Free State Project? Succession in a good way?
The TSA even checked the bags under my eyes for explosives.
If you are not aware of the Ministry of Propaganda, it is run by a Marxist named Cass Sunstein, a Czar in the West Wing. His mission is to flood the blogosphere with trolls armed with the latest talking points memo. So whenever you see a comment that obviously has an agenda and tries to disprove what you already know is fact, it most probably is a Sunstein operative.
Ding.
Maybe we can get some sunlight on who shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the week preceding Sept 11th, 2001.
Just Sayin' ... Don't Tase.
The put buyers were traced to Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Belarus, and Russia. The reportage of this fact appeared for a brief period online and then was scrubbed.
And there is this excerpt of a detailed article by Jan (Honza) Malina which implicates Russia as the 9-11 attacker:
1 - Russia converted Ruble from the U.S. $ exchange rate to gold one month before the 9/11 attack. When asked about such unprecedented step, Russian officials gave unsatisfactory answers....
2 - According to the 2003 statement of former Czech BIS Intelligence Service Capt. Vladimir Hucin, the 9/11 hijacker Mohammad Atta was in fact trained in Czechoslovakia in 1988 in the very well known terrorist training camp Zastavka near city of Brno [the training took approximately 18 months according to statements to this extent, this camp was also near Czech military base Vyskov where possibly terrorists were trained in combat terrorist operational practices.]
3 - The reason why Soviet Red Army invaded Afghanistan at the end of 1970s can be shown that it was not for the purpose to capture the territory for any gain other than to create artificial legend for the upcoming "democratic" Russia that Russian "former" communists have nothing to do with Islamic terrorism and that these are fully "independent" operations of the Muslim terrorist groups and states, including Iraq, Iran, Syria etc. Russian and Chinese involvement must remain hidden, for if it was revealed and recognized, communists would lose their much needed element of surprise [as for example the old Chinese military strategy Sun Tzu directs.]
4 - It is clear that just based on the deceptive background of these various strategic operations, including the major Soviet - Russian communist deception and long-term fraud called Perestroika, Russian "former" communists cannot be possibly seen behind anything that harms America, including the 9/11 attack.
5 - The organization of the entire "Islamic" terrorist network, including all terrorist groups of the KGB founded PLO [Hamas etc. - Yaser Arafat was a KGB long term agent, another such comparable Moscow asset is Libya's Muamar Qadaffi], is too perfect and too well organized which doesn't suggest that some "horseback riders" of Al Qaeda are capable of keeping themselves organized, supplied with weapons, intelligence, logistical support and a good level military training. The state sponsorship behind such groups is visible - but which state is behind it [Russia, China etc.] escapes most western analysts.
6 - The western [flawed] thinking, not accustomed to communist evil practices, disables beforehand any recognition of any long-term communist planning and operational strategy. [Russian, Chinese etc.] Communist "word of honor" is accepted, also based on the materialist western doctrine that as long as these "no longer communist" countries can produce cheap products for the West, they have no other intentions other than to be economically competitive with the West. This totally naive assumption does not take into account the criminal nature of these communist regimes, their strategic planning and their full long-term commitment to implement communism around the World.
7- It is clear that the Soviet-Russian communist long-term strategy is working. Without recognizing that America and the West were fooled by these communist criminals, there will be no recognition of such strategy and of any background of the upcoming "Islamic terrorist" attack on America.
8 - Various state sponsors of terrorism are available to the Russian communists so they can skillfully "present" these states to the World as the "true culprits behind terrorism" using Russian moles within the U.S. and other western intelligence, law enforcement, government and media entities. To deny that such people exist is to deny the goals of communism also - and that is precisely what has happened, and what will be the stumbling rock of the West when the hour of truth approaches.
The article is no longer hosted online.
http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44
Mom - Grandpa is seeing communists under the bed again.
Your entire premise is a bit of a rot hering, nein ?
Communism=Banksterism
Go to the center of the onion and search for the banksters controllers...
I think we are all waiting for the first "Joe Six Pack - American political prisoner" to be publicly identified on US soil and indefinitely detained.
Is there now any doubt that the two major political parties are a single extension of elite Corporate power?
Its Corporations verses Citizens.
Are things getting better or are they getting worse?
Pick a side.
Room 101 bitches!
"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable." JFK
It's not how you die that matters. It's who you take with you.
Better watch it. The FBI might open a file on you with talk like that.
They better not get me mad. I'm running out of spots to hide the bodies.
Good thing us black folk were never put on indefinite 'tention -- 'eyes mite not bee prezident.............
mo cowbew
Change? What change? The only thing that changed was the packaging. It's still the same song, with the same band but a different (puppet) band leader and time signature playing at The Palace. And you know what Mel Brooks said: when you die at The Palace, you really die at The Palace.
dude, there was a saying back when (I forget): "anyone who claims to remember the '70s was never really there."
I think you are the first shot of "anyone who claims to remember the Uh-OHs..."
just sayin'
- Ned
(is it a shot or a ...?)
Nobody cares! And ya know what....nobody HAS to care....it's America afterall! When has tradition or unity had anything to do with a smorgasbord of immigrant blood that has become even further tainted and unrecognizable.
We are spoon fed these shit sandwiches on a daily basis now. But since we are so undecided, perplexed, divisive and self-indulged, the shit is being tolerated on an even greater basis. Soon we all will be chock full of shit, and we will qualify for some of the highest, most arrogant, deceitful offices of the land. Something to strive for I'm telling ya.
Well that's enough of that shit. I wasted entire 15 minutes on this goddamn article and comment. WTF...I'll have to put off masturbating until tomorrow or gording myself with Xmas cookies until I defecate. LOL...Well tomorrow all will be forgotten and we'll all be thinking about how to beat the casino. Well, at least most of you will be.
the menu has changed, now it's a shit burrito,or a bagel with shit, your choice. they're both on the dollar menu
Indefinite detention: It ain't just for terrorists anymore.
www.martinarmstrong.org
Pretty sure most America is either scared to death of their country or hates it's guts by now but most don't like to talk about it. Kind of like how Germans hate to talk about Nazi Germany. If everyone got to see the Wizard of OZ behind the curtain during a moment of the weakness we'd all still pretend we couldn't see or hear him and go along like nothing happened. We wouldn't even know what to do wihout the Wizard and we are scared to find out what would happen if we challenged him. The Wizard knows this.
Obama loves him some executive power hungry snacks!!! 'Yum yum!! More please!'
That disingenuous piece of 'ish Obama is the same as the whole presidential line before him. How JFK grew a pair, well, maybe they told him to, see what happens.
Precious metals mucking up the mainstream view of monie in Asia. What if you woke up and it turned out Asia liked gold so much they were willing to pay $1850 for it. Don't think it could happen, because the monie isn't big enough? Well while Bernanke and Shirakawa buy ETFs with their trillions of treasurie monie, China is double fisting the good stuff. What else do they have to do with their cash, other than blow it on cotton and opium.
This is Bush's legacy. He grabbed these people most often for no reason and tortured them. So what do you do with them. No admissable evidence. Is something someone admits to during torture admissable? Hell no! Cheney and Bush should be tried as war criminals. This is why they hate us!!!!
Clinton messed up Eastern Europe, Herbert Walker Bush led a fixed war on the Middle East, Reagan did battle in El Sur de America, Carter spent more per year on the military than Nixon (People's History of the United States of America- Howard Zinn), I mean, it is all the presidents legacies.
I dumm thee infinite not junks.
Jonny-boy, have you had your diapers changed in the last week?
Do you understand what a combat pickup of an EPW is all about? (CALM DOWN MEAT, the lad has no clue...OK...cleansing breath).
... er ... admissible evidence in what jurisdiction would you be discussing? ?? ???
Haven't been out of your basement much, over the last 9 years or so. Youi know, the police have these special units that can come in and rescue folks who have been captive in abnormal situations.
Have you been to Riyhad for a "double header"? Seen where the hands go after they are chopped off?
--er--just got a call, someone named cas wants you to give him a shout. something about 7 months in something called "self criticism camp". Sorry the message is garbled, the snow is messing with our telephone lines tonight.
fare well, my sweet jonny.
- Ned
Time for another AR 15 and suit of body armor.
Make sure the styrofoam and gasoline supply are inconspiciously ready to go as well.
Who needs C4 when you got gasoline and matches.
This was idiocy on its face; but was consistent with the Obama-Holder "Lawyer Full Employment Act." So now we reap the "benefits" of this confusion.
Lawfulness? Let's look at Hague and Geneva and the Law of Land Warfare.
The Gold guys wonder where Johnny Bravo has been; I'm wondering where that Faux News fella has been doing his don't ask don't tell thing (not that there's anything wrong with that).
After all, Our Dear President "PROMISED" that he'd close Gitmo and move all of the EPWs to a jail near Joliet.
Go figure.
- Ned
Exposed for the light-weight community organizer he is who has found it is a little harder being President than campaigning to be President.
Him signing the extension of the Bush tax cuts is just hilarious.
He has no idea what he is doing or what the ramifications are of what he is doing, yet he is very determined to do something. He is....a moron.
+1000
He's a guy who is in love with himself being President.
You can tell a lot by how many photo ops the Prez has in the AF1 jacket. Obama wants to be a president like one on TV. You're a character, you play a role. He doesn't want to actually do anything. His whole life has been spent with DWLs kissing his ass and doing everything for him.
DWL, Demoratic White Liberals???? Hummm, I think the holiday cheer is affecting your postings............ do Goldman Sac and JP Morgan fall into the DWL category?
I for one wanted to believe in Obama. I am really pissed about this! He is a dark casper milktoast. Fuck this , I am going to find another country to live in!
Go plant your seed, Johny. As for Obama, he unmasked himself when he came off of the campaign trail to promote and vote for TARP.
"...he unmasked himself when he came off of the campaign trail to promote and vote for TARP."
Or long before that for anyone who wasn't swooning to the teleprompter in campaign mode.
So what the fuck should i do now? Short Google or start buying Seeds and food from Alex jones sponsers?
These people have great service and thousands of OP seeds. I already have a bin full.
http://rareseeds.com/shop/
pods
I read the article. Seems like a procedural issue that applies to 'guests' in Guantanamo. But I'll be keeping a close eye on it.
Let's not get hysterical now.
Yeah the time for hysteria was so last year.
Keep your eye on it? Listen to Obama's own words on the subject... and coming from Rachel Maddow, of all shills. The time for "monitoring" this is over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=fwIQmWSh6ds
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I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrious!
As both Bush and Obama say, "We're fighting for freedom over there so we won't have to fight for freedom over here".
Which doesn't make any sense because there are no enemies over there or here that are capable of destroying a way of life that was grown up on American values, for better and worse.
Unless, of course, you piss enough people "over there" off.
Just in time for Julian.
Barrack Bush
This is not from Politico.com, a fairly reliable source but Pro Publica. The reference to a White House response is: “A White House official, who asked to speak on the condition of anonymity, later confirmed that the draft order has not yet been given to the president. The official had few details but said the order “would set up periodic review of the detention status of those detainees who cannot be tried,” in either military commissions or federal courts.”---- Anonymity is the key questionable phrase.
I do not dispute the charge but would like to see more proof of the pudding. Holder today regarging domestic terrorists and the new internet nanny would send a continuality message of the nonsense, but this story does not stand on its own.
Your post seems to imply that there is a "creditability" issue with Pro Publica. Could you please elaborate on this? Regarding anonymity of a White House official, this is SOP... I have been following Pro Publica for some time and have not observed compromised "reporting integrity" (I don't read all the articles, so cannot speak in absolutes).
Once perverted and unleashed on the citizens of the U.S, dying for freedom becomes an easier decision.
This kind of thing didn't seem to be a problem back when Congress used to actually declare war.
Congress has abdicated similar to how the Roman Senate did. It gives them more time to enrich themselves.
WTF?
I never expected change from Obama ever since The NewStateman did an exposé article on his campaign funds in 2008, but this still got me swearing with surprise. Yep, despite all the noise, most of his money came from the same banks and hedge funds who are raking in all the POMO bucks. Even so, I thought he was a million times better than Bush - I kinda still do - but this confirms all my worst fears about the lovely Military Industrial Complex across the pond. You have my sympathies.
http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-pilger-mccain-kennedy
"Obama is backed by the biggest Wall Street firms: Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, J P Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse, as well as the huge hedge fund Citadel Investment Group. "Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors," wrote the investigator Pam Martens, "consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages."
I remember disappointing a lot of Obama supporters with that one, but it saddened me just as much. I know I am hard on my cousins in America sometimes because of the stuff that goes on in their name and the absurd polarity of their politics, but I do sympathize with those who are basically decent, hard working, free thinking, and compassionate people who are trapped by forces beyond their control. This is bad news for everyone. Fuck.
Forgot to add Fannie Mae to the big Obama donor list. How come everyone here wants to get Dick Fuld, but no one cares about Franklin Raines? Racism maybe.
Thank you for adding Fannie Mae - but it's not my quote, it was The Newstatesman's. Jeez, it's only been less than 2yrs and even I forgot all about Franklin Raines. The guy walked out when it was being investigated for accounting irregularities, and nobody wants to talk to him? That's weird.
Not only is Obama backed by all of the above, George "Goldfinger" Soros, owns the entire democratic party. None of the progressives want to admit their party has sold out to the uber-capitalists.
They look the other way when you tell them $2 billion from US taxpayers went to Soros for offshore Brazil drilling, but applaud bans on us offshore drilling and jobs. And Bamm got more $$ from BP than anyone -- and BP got their enviro short cuts.
We're captives and economic serfs. If government now controls 50% of the economy and the financial industry now controls 30% that is only 20% for the rest of us. And the point has been made that the financial industry pulls the levers of government, so they really control 80%. We're back to the Money Trust Monopoly days where it all started at the turn of the century.
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+1.
Can you cite your sources for these claims? Here this might help
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/bogus-brazilian-oil-claims/
"None of the progressives want to admit their party has sold out to the uber-capitalists." NONE!!!!! I try not to "flame" fellow blogers but you are a very tempting target.........
Obama was given the nod over hillary when he attended a "Private" meeting while in Chantilly Va in 2008. He met with some "Special" people who wanted to talk to him privately....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9270
Or google "Obama 2008 Chantilly va" and do some reading.
Oh the Liberals will have their panties in a knot. One Executive Order after another. The beat goes on. LOL
Obama's January 22nd, 2009 Promise to Close Gitmo by January 22nd, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ePb4X6JNQ
Tingles must have a sharp pain in his scrotum. Baghdad Bob Gibbons has his work cut out tomorrow. The Messiah base is in shambles.
Remember folks, your living the script
First They Came for... Watch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIpyGQxa2ZY
yep, declare war vs. nation state. That proved to be a loser v. U.S.A., so the experiments started: korea, lebanon '58, veetnam, fricken lebanon again, granada, etc. all kinds of testing, 'till the current mess.
any way to declare war on "the base"?
Hague and Geneva and predecessors and sucessors were put into place when it was important that "we'll not hurt you and you won't hurt us" in defenseless (hors de combat) situations obtained.
So, Hg, riddle me this: how do we do such basic treaties when the other side will strap on C4 or any plastique and walk into a Train Station or a ... ?
evidently I'm excited about this question.
- Ned
dp
tp, but won't go for a 4th
"Detained indefinitely"...
Isn't that "Livin in the USA?"
On the thirteenth day of demXmas,
my true love sent to me,
Thirteen health care waivers,
Twelve cells in gitmo,
Eleven eavesdropped calls,
Ten bags of stimulus,
Nine lobbyist paychecks,
Eight stacks of earmarks,
Seven waterboardings,
Six Predator strikes,
Five Brigades for Karzai,
Four Bankster bonuses,
Three secret prisons,
Two indefinete detensions,
and tax cuts for the wealthy!
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. D/Post
Wonder how the Soros shills at Center for American Progress or Think Progress spin this announcement?
Isn't ISRAEL considered a policy state, too ? & why are there so many jewish people working in our Federal Government ? If I didn't know any better, I'd swear we were being infiltrated from within to try to make our country a police state just like in Israel !! Is this all in my 'conspiracy theory' imagination or is it real ?
The Chameleons - Second skin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ4CZexQCBs
Checkmate: WB7.. Please have your revised visual say in a form that everyone can understand. Thank you. :>)
http://web.archive.org/web/20051103221544/http://nord.twu.net/acl/chart.gif
One cold damp evening
The world stood still
I watched as I held my breath
A silhouette I thought I knew
Came through
And someone spoke to me
Whispered in my ear
This fantasy's for you
Fantasies are "in" this year
My whole life passed before my eyes
I thought
What they say is true
I shed my skin and my disguise
And cold, numb and naked
I emerged from my cocoon
And a half remembered tune
Played softly in my head
Then he turned smiling
And said
I realise a miracle is due
I dedicate this melody to you
But is this the stuff dreams are made of?
If this is the stuff dreams are made of
No wonder I feel like I'm floating on air
Everywhere
It feels like I'm everywhere
It's like you fail to make the connection
You know how vital it is
Or when something slips through your fingers
You know how precious it is
Well you reach the point where you know
It's only your second skin
Someone's banging on my door
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5wqMX5jpaM
The PTB are rubbing our nose in it. They are now openly taunting us.
We're a hair's breadth from martial law and a dictatorship! I can't believe that this has happened so quickly in America!