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Obama Seeking Emergency Camp David Meeting, Boehner Just Says No

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In the most dramatic example of someone give the teleprompter the finger on the debt target (f/k/a debt ceiling, in the pre Federal Reserve days), after earlier it was announced that Obama, so willing to continue the charade, was pushing for a Camp David meeting where the debt ceiling issue would be resolved, bunch-of-fat-old-men-locked-up-in-a-room-nobody-leaving-until-solution-is-reached style, Reuters reports that Boehner has politely refused this latest farcical denouement, and told the White House "that he sees no need to move the negotiations on debt and deficits to Camp David." In other news, it is now 7 days and counting until July 22.

From Reuters:

House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, the top U.S. Republican, has told the White House that he sees no need to move the negotiations on debt and deficits to Camp David.

"The speaker has told the White House he sees no need to go to Camp David this weekend," Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck said on Thursday.

The White House had been weighing the idea of Camp David talks but no decision had been made and White House aides said there were "currently no plans for that."


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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:47 | 1456256 baby_BLYTHE
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interesting location, 'Tanks in the Streets' anyone?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:51 | 1456277 Deepskyy
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You know, I was rather disappointed that Monday's speech didn't have any doomsday rhetoric in it. 


All joking aside, if this isn't theatre (big if) then we might be in for a wild ride in a few days.

Viva Apocalypse.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:03 | 1456332 pesamystik
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Honestly Tyler, I get a little tired of your ploy for "ratings" on this site. You have already said that you know the debt ceiling will be raised. We all know these are theatrics. There is no way they are not going to raise the debt ceiling and yet some of your posts are designed to create an air of "suspense" to keep the crowd entertained and coming back for more. 

Every week there is some new event that "might" bring the markets down, like Greece failing to vote on austerity. Every single time the status quo is maintained. It's all a joke.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:13 | 1456347 whstlblwr
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Easy solution, don't read.

Now I see their tongues they screaming so hard.

"[Sen. Cardin] He noted a default would threaten the position of the dollar as global currency and could cause the average American to pay an average $250 per year in interest. He said it would have a “dramatic” impact on the stock market and “may very well turn this nation’s course from growth to another recession.”

Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) said the impact on the dollar could mean high gas prices, utility bills and food prices."

Isn't it opposite? would raise dollar, gas prices down. They think we fools. Right now it seem politicians care more about China than American people

And Americans paying attention know it is not recovery. Recovery that staged in stock market is not recovery. Heaping trillions dollars to bank to raise stock market not recovery.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:20 | 1456409 tip e. canoe
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"Isn't it opposite?  would raise dollar, gas prices down."

of course it will, which is why they're screaming the opposite.

"They think we fools"

yes they do.   it's called the okie-doke:

methinks definition #7 is most appropriate here.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:25 | 1456427 pesamystik
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Some think it would cause a rush to safety, ie. boosting the dollar. However, my view is that it would hurt the dollar in this particular instance. U.S. would not exactly be the safe place to throw your money. As a result, a cheaper dollar would translate into higher gas prices. Except, it would cause oil to actually drop...since equity markets would tank. Not sure what the end result would actually be in the short-term based on all the variables.

That being said, it's not going to happen. The debt ceiling will be raised. 

And yes, I do realize Tyler's agenda is to make money first and foremost. I'm sure he makes a killing here on advertising, even donations. That's not to say I don't value the information that is put out on here from time to time, even the snarky commentary provided with it. Sometimes I just feel like things get a tad bit disingenuous and things appear to be a little bit transparently about the money. 

I mean, we could all call out the mania leading up to $50 silver in which there were predictions of silver skyrocketing all the way to $100. Of course, it still might, but there was no talk of silver dipping down to $33 before that happened. Or all the talk about LNKD tanking. Now that it's in the 100's, not a peep. 

That all being said, I still love zerohedge, it's one of the best sites on the internet. I just tend to take some of the info on here with a grain of salt.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:30 | 1456437 Ghordius
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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:18 | 1456641 whstlblwr
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What cause oil price to go up now is devalue of dollar by inflate of stock market. Stock market fake it not represent value create in economy.

If default, dollar goes up. Look at dollar now. It not crashing with fear index up. Dollar would go up. We need strong dollar for commodities and oil down. But they try to engineer oil down: Bernanke say no QE, it stupid.

(Moved response up since way down there.)

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:32 | 1456457 TruthInSunshine
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LNKD is the next AOL.

Back up the truck, because the 6  months lock up period means nothing in terms of te tankage that I and many others said will ultimately come, does arrive.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:36 | 1456479 pesamystik
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I am pretty sure you're right. But these markets never cease to surprise me. If you had asked me if NFLX would have been hovering around 300 right now a year ago, I would have laughed in your face. Yet, there it is. Of course, a lot of these internet companies might implode sooner or later, it's just a matter of timing. I for one am not suggesting that LNKD is going to stay in the 100s, just that it is above it's opening IPO price. I wouldn't be surprised if it topped 150 in a few months, especially if QEIII is announced and risk-on trades become popular once again.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:18 | 1456531 whstlblwr
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seem you try hard to look like trader to me.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:34 | 1456468 SilverIsKing
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You truly think Tyler's mission here is to turn a profit?  That's absurd.  The ads generate revenue since it does cost money to run the site and put food in his stomach.  The fact that some of the news that you deem unfit for print is more an indication of the urgency given to get news up on the site as quickly as possible.

I think you've totally misunderstood what this place is about and what Tyler's intentions have been all along.

If he turns it into a pay site, then I may agree with you but until then, there's no way anyone can reasonably argue that he's in this for the money.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:43 | 1456504 pesamystik
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I would not be surprised if he made close to a million a year on this site. If you think he is just putting "food" in his stomach off this site, you are very wrong. I could be radically off, but I know he is probably making at least a few hundred thousand. I am basing this on a New York Magazine article I read about ZH about a year+ ago when ZH was not nearly as popular and was not pulling in some of the high quality ads it has been running. I'm sure he loves calling out the system (as well as the rest of the team on this site) and getting paid for it at the same time but they are also getting paid a lot of money to do it. 

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:47 | 1456508 whstlblwr
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How else can you try to discredit ZH? And I hope they make trillions to get more news reporters and keep to report real news. I never believe other posters before about fake commenters but get that hair raise on neck feeling you from Treasury.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:52 | 1456541 pesamystik
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Haha, like I've already said, I think the info on here is valuable and I like ZH, don't get me wrong. At the same time, it is not even entirely clear if there is more than one Tyler. I do not besmirch them making money. After all, there is a demand for the info on this site, and they should be well compensated as a result. I just don't like it to be too transparent (I suppose I'm quibbling here). Mostly, I was just pointing out some of the contradictory postings and "have your cake and eat it" attitude of ZH at times. When they're right, they go nuts throwing it in the MSM's face (as they should). However, when they're wrong, it's just brushed off and not mentioned. 

The ultimate agenda of this site (besides the nice perk of making money) is to bring down the financial system (this is my opinion). So, I realize that the info on here is not exactly supposed to be objective. When you're playing against the MSM and the financial oligarchy, you can't play fair. I suppose that might account for the somewhat bipolar nature of the blog posts on here. 

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:00 | 1456554 whstlblwr
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You so full of shit. The objective not bring down financial system from what read. It to report news, real news, not financial news sanctioned okay by White House or their corporate sponsors. Go troll somewhere else, or back to intern desk at Treasury, hope it not Geithner because if is should be screaming at Cantor right now.

I also believe when all this over in history Zero Hedge will get Pulitzer, honored for courage, truth in reporting.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:47 | 1456521 tip e. canoe
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see Paper Street Soap Company

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:54 | 1456535 TruthInSunshine
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It is rumored that Tyler's house on Paper Street was purchased with a loan originated by New Century Financial in 2006, with a combined first and second mortgage of 3 million, and that a HELOC of 1.5 million was drawn against it, before it was bought by Maiden Lane Hedge Fund for 18 million taxpayer dollars, from JP Morgan (which had purchased it for $1 from the county treasurer when New Century Financial went bust).

By the way, Tyler still uses the home unfettered, and his luxury soap business, run from the basement, is booming.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:56 | 1456553 SilverDosed
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A million a year on this site? Are you retarded? When's ZH having its IPO if thats the case.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 14:07 | 1456869 Rynak
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A million in ads...... ROFLMAO..... do you have ANY clue at all about current revenue-potential of ads? Which year are you living in.... 1999, where ads were still paid per view and were measured in cents, rather than fractions of a cent?

At best, ad-income from this site per month, is measured in thousands of dollars, not tenthousands.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 14:59 | 1457128 pesamystik
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Read this article and get back to me.

Zerohedge has an entire staff of people working for it. You're the one off your rocker if you think the site is only pulling in a few thousand a month.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:27 | 1457196 Rynak
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So what? How is this relevant to what i wrote?

Is that all you got? The assumption, that because there are multiple tylers, the site must be making a million, completely ignoring nowadays ad-revenues?

Has the thought ever crossed your mind, that those who run ZH, may simply be doing it, to get a middle class income, for doing what one likes? Plus, with the understanding which the "staff" has, they may very well making good profits by doing what they claim.

Bottom line: You've got nothing but assumptions.

Oh, and by the way:

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:50 | 1456529 Bob
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Whatever motivation you attribute, the emphasis upon drama is characteristic, hell, even defining.  Note that, for this headline, the White House says it wasn't "planning" a Camp David meeting.  Maybe they asked for feedback on it as an idea . . . but would that strictly support the spin? 

That said, the "snarkiness" is fundamental and essential, goddamn it! and regardless of the "spin" exercised as poetic license in headlines, the actual substance is almost always included in the body of the article. 

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:15 | 1458173 StychoKiller
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Golly, how is Flash Gordon gonna foil Ming the Merciless' evil plans this time?  Tune in next week to find out!

Signed, "Every thing I need to know, I learned by watching TV"

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:27 | 1456682 hurdygurdypauli...
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I will argue that this place used to be more about news and intelligent commentary and less about providig a place for tin hatters, Beckians, Teapotters and Rushtafarians to hang out...

I will argue that the owners of this site wish to remain anonymous due to the nature of the site (see above) and allow anyone to comment and to add thier blogs because (t(he)y) have become quite rich for the millions of hits.  Nothing says sell out like getting a lot of revenue for doing little other than provoking fear and teasing people's dark and curious sides, regardless of the truth or the outcome.  (ask Murdoch)

For proof that hits make money, see Facebook et al.  This may not seem reasonable to you, but few who are regular commenters here are what one might call reasonable people.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:38 | 1456731 hurdygurdypauli...
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Oh, and this is also a place where teens can escape and become experts and where adults can have adulation away from their humdrum lives simply by saying something that others can relate to.  It also is a place where you can garner a large audience and even influence the stock market...politics... etc.




Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:46 | 1456748 whstlblwr
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Seem many here today want to discredit ZH.

I been reading blog for years, still same as before. But maybe it have more influence now, so status quo want to discredit in comments.

Illusion that things good is status quo strategy. ZH takes off illusion, it's why only news blog we read.

At night CNN with wife, but sometime propaganda too much so turn off or switch to Judge Napolitano on Fox. It hard for me and wife to understand why news think okay to lie to American people. Need courageous news producers. Courage lacking in America now.

Remember American vote for change and didn't get, maybe now we will vote again and get change.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:19 | 1457191 blunderdog
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I don't think you have a very good understanding of the Internet advertising market.  Yes you can monetize a site like ZH, but Facebook isn't about "hits make money," it's about sharing subscriber information with true profit-model businesses.

As for the fact that ZH is overrun with whackjobs, agreed.  That's not the same thing as saying all regular commenters are whackjobs.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:26 | 1458290 cranky-old-geezer
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If he turns it into a pay site, then I may agree with you but until then, there's no way anyone can reasonably argue that he's in this for the money.

A free site with high traffic can attract well-paying advertising and be more profitable than a pay site with its substantially lower traffic. 

Free high-traffic sites with advertising are the new paradigm.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:35 | 1456472 whstlblwr
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Sorry, but you idiot. I own silver so pay attention and yes one of TD's said sell silver before dipped to $33. What is your agenda? Don't read, you don't like it, free country. Lots of feel good blogs to read.

What cause oil price to go up now is devalue of dollar by inflate of stock market. Stock market fake it not represent value create in economy. If default, dollar goes up. Look at dollar now. It not crashing with fear index up. Dollar would go up. We need strong dollar for commodities and oil down. But they try to engineer oil down: Bernanke say no QE, it stupid.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:52 | 1456540 Bob
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Agreed on the silver.  Wish I'd gotten my ass down to the store to sell before it fell . . . but it looks good for the next couple weeks again anyway.  It's hard to regret having physical, good for so many situations.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:37 | 1456483 tip e. canoe
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i/o/w the petrodollar will rise while the gloddollar will fall, yes?

but why would equity markets necessarily tank if $ move out of the Treasury markets?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:08 | 1456350 Putty
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Until it isn't.  Stay tuned.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:19 | 1456404 TruthInSunshine
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Anyone thinking the debt ceiling deal isn't already done and done is not being realistic (i.e. cynical enough of your "elected representatives").

It's in the bag.


In other news:

Only 1.7 million homes have gone into foreclosure in JUST the first 6 months of 2011, but there would have been 2.7 million homes going into foreclosure in just these 6 months if it weren't for 'paperwork problems,' so, just like the debt, these foreclosures will keep being kicked like an oxidized can down the street, until there are 15 million (or more) homes in foreclosure, piled up, like steaming heaps of cow dung.

What great progress!


Foreclosure Glut Pushes Filings Into 2012
Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:15 | 1456630 oldman
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Morning Truth,

I woke up this morning with the sense that none of this is real.

All of it seems like theater compared to the forest. I'm getting tired of focusing on simple problems like these that we refuse to do anything about even though the solutions are obvious and simple. I've never met a horse, bear, bird, fish, mosquito-----any other species that is as so confused that it complicates EVERYTHING to absurdity.

Anyway---maybe there are no problems except in our mind

if the thing(whatever it may be) falls apart---so what---some will live, some will die----what changes---certainly not this species

PS    I hope this is real, I hope this is not real, I hope this is rreal, I hope this is not-----------------------

doing nothing was so simple---I'm going back to it

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:24 | 1456663 TruthInSunshine
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It is rumored that there will be a press conference, whereby Obama, in the Rose Garden, and with Bernanke and Geithner at his side, will announce his 2012 economic program to get the nation back in its feet.

It will entitled 'Mind Over Matter,' and the crux of the program will be that no matter what Americans see or are faced with in the difficult years ahead, "if they don't mind, it won't matter."


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:33 | 1456702 oldman
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This rumor is the final straw.

Everyone is doing nothing! Even the opposition----

Time for change-----What do we do?

I don't want to do a thing, but we've been co-opted by these bastards

Let me knoe what the do-nothing dudes have up our sleeve

You are the president, after all.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:12 | 1456369 Quixote
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Your comment has an air of stupidity in it. It seems contrived to piss me off. It is a joke.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:15 | 1456388 tip e. canoe
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everyone has an agenda stik.   perhaps tylers is page clicks.    what better way to keep em comin back then suspense?   remember twin peaks?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:33 | 1456461 Ethics Gradient
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The reality is, critical readers should read analytic posts and the rest of Zero Hedge with the blanket assumption that the author is totally "conflicted." 

That's what Marla had to say on the issue.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:02 | 1456574 whstlblwr
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I always think agenda to report atrocities. When you see so much fuck up and have access, don't want to report?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:30 | 1456450 vib
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The process is like a standard movie plot, except the twist probably is that Obama is forced to veto the issue first as an emergency measure. I don't think they'll really go over the edge to just wind down government spending.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:58 | 1456563 Fukushima Sam
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Let me guess, you have not read "Fight Club"...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:23 | 1458189 Eireann go Brach
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Hey pesamystik..fuck off back to Kenya too!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:49 | 1456527 camaro68ss
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Obama just wants to be close to the golf course so he can get some holes in before and after his meetings

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:04 | 1456580 TruthInSunshine
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Obama and Boehner are going to have a good laugh together about all of the reporting over their 'spat' at Bohemian Grove, as they smoke some Cuban cigars, wet their whistles with some fine cognac, and watch the Moloch sacrifice, that's for sure.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:52 | 1456283 eureka
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But if "Boner" doesn't do the debt thing up how's PentaGun gonna get more new tanks?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:57 | 1456310 Sophist Economicus
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They have nothing to worry about!   A democrat is in the White house - the odds of an all out war has a high probability (wilson, Roosevelt, Kennedy/Johnson, Obama....)

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:05 | 1456340 V in PA
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Obama is more like Buchanan. Setting the stage for an internal conflict that some Republican will have to fix in 2013.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:09 | 1456359 Transformer
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You gotta be kidding.  That's funny.  LMAO


As long as the words, Democrat and Republican are a part of your working vocabulary, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:26 | 1456431 Variance Doc
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"As long as the words, Democrat and Republican are a part of your working vocabulary, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution."

Exactly!  I don't know how many times I have said that and just get blank stares back.  Idiots....

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:03 | 1456578 SilverDosed
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....but you just said Democrat and Republican, are you part of the problem now?

Oh snap, I just said it too, guess I'm part of the problem.

::shoots self in head to solve problem::

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:17 | 1456635 Calmyourself
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Yes, both parties are a problem but what the folks who absolutely deny any differences between the two do not want you to know is that one party has the potential to be turned.  The R's have the potential to be turned toward good the D's are irredeemable.  That said at this point they are both problematic but the same, no.  Use your judgement not your emotions.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 14:44 | 1457064 Braindonor1
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If you honestly believe that, you must also believe in the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny.

Both mainstream parties are equally and irredemably corrupted.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:18 | 1456642 V in PA
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I agree "they" are the problem, but sometimes you have to use the same language the inmates use or the entire asylum will turn on you.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:54 | 1456545 ThoughtCriminal
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maybe Boehner's just holding out for and invite to "Man's Country" in Chicago

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:47 | 1456258 Quintus
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The drama!  It's just too much!

Seriously, there's a great made for TV mini-series in here somewhere.  

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:51 | 1456276 hedgeless_horseman
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Just not enough production money for multiple locations.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:22 | 1456418 carbonmutant
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CGI bitchez...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:47 | 1456259 Temporalist
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Boner is like..."If I can't tan up there I'm not going."

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:55 | 1456300 pazmaker
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I'm sure Obama could accomodate him with a tanning bed!!  haha!!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:01 | 1456323 MsCreant
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I knew they were all in bed together, I just didn't know it was a tanning bed. Thanks.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:28 | 1456442 Juan Wild
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Why sure. The beds are furnished by the IMF. Christine's tanning standards must be upheld.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:49 | 1456530 SokPOTUS
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As long as they all pay Obama his 10% tanning bed tax....hey, wait!  I think I see the POTUS' ulterior motive here! 

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:49 | 1456264 doomandbloom
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he will say yes at the very will be a happy ending ....( for stock markets and rating agencies)

both Obama and Boner are on the same side...the dark side...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:49 | 1456268 Quintus
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Like all 'Happy endings' this one will come at a price.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:52 | 1456282 Dr. Richard Head
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Payments are expected at the time of the service rendered -

Obama Top Donors -

Boner's top donors -

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:59 | 1456567 SokPOTUS
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...and hopefully, a box of tissues...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:48 | 1456265 buzzsaw99
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no home field advantage for you!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:23 | 1456422 carbonmutant
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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:49 | 1456266 docj
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Well, this is either very well orchestrated (by the pigmen) drama or someone (Johnny Orange Crush) just went off script.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:24 | 1456428 carbonmutant
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Thats what a lot of people are hoping...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:50 | 1456271 CrimsonAvenger
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Boehner dodged a bullet there; that's where DARPA keeps its mind control ray.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:32 | 1456458 carbonmutant
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+10 LOLZ

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:27 | 1456509 HL Shancken
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See below..


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:45 | 1456516 HL Shancken
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You don't know how right you are.


The fact of the matter is that Obama is a KGB creation and the arm of that organization is very, very long, so the idea that he is not under their control is not something to be seriously entertained. But the point I need to make concerns Boehner and the danger of any important personage coming into contact with agents or officers of the KGB, which, unfortunately, happens all too often.


Friendship and other mind-control drugs are real and they are administered by the KGB when need and opportunity avail themselves. Boehner has perhaps already been dosed, but there is no need for him to put himself at such substantial risk by visiting a communist stronghold, where he would be making himself a very easy target.


Crazy talk, you say? Hardly.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:15 | 1456625 Stax Edwards
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Crazy talk Say I.


Disclosure: Long Tin Foil

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:46 | 1456699 HL Shancken
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But if Boehner were to suddenly come down with a fast-acting cancer, such as happened to Alexander Litvinenko, a British citizen who met with a Russian who was later proven to have dosed him with pollonium 210 at a restaurant in London, you might begin to have second thoughts about your opinion. Nevertheless, the idea that measures less than assassination, with long-proven effective pharmaceuticals, is inconceivable to you to the point that you take time out of your day to belittle something you know nothing about.


Or perhaps your contention is that the communist in the White House runs his own show. This only proves that you know absolutely nothing meaningful about communism.


Or perhaps, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you don't believe Obama is a communist.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:21 | 1456649 pods
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Do you have a Debka article to back this up?




Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:40 | 1456717 HL Shancken
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And here we have a poster who has bought the Service A propaganda, spread far and wide incessantly and to great effect, that all is a Zionist conspiracy. In short, an idiot has responded to me.


Edited to add: and you've signed your post. Classic.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:49 | 1456800 pods
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By snidely asking for something other than a vid link (which I will have to watch tonight) and a link where you posted this on another forum (circular argument anyone?) leads you to think I have bought the everything is the Zionists story?

Hey, it might be a great plan for the Ruskies to collapse their own confederation, bringing about untold misery, to get the west to dissolve their armies so as to rise again and rule the world, but you are going to have to back that up with something besides quoting a vid and your own prior forum post.

I could not care less what you call me.  My point still stands.  What you posted was junk.

And yes, I do sign my posts, as my posts are my own thoughts.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 14:06 | 1456870 HL Shancken
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I'll wait until after you've watched the video for your apology. As far as you signing your posts being representative of your own thoughts, the implication is obvious, revealing, and embarrassing for you.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:16 | 1458372 pods
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Okay.  Watched the whole thing.  Not really convinced that the Soviets developed over 20 classes of psycotropic drugs.  Sure, Thorazine, Librium, etc will have an effect on mood.  

Some problems that I saw were that with 50k people working on the KGB project that only 2 people have provided info, and that information was from a party leader (manager) type of person.  Not a scientist.  Broad description of drugs that is almost laughable.  Like what a sci-fi writer would come up with.  Loosen tongues, chaos, sloppy maintenance.  Bold pronouncements of successful operations where one party was slipped a "paranoid" drug, and another with the "agression" drugs.  

He talked about peptides like it was a huge accomplishment to synthesize small chain peptides containing several amino acids, and used the term peptide like it was magic.  I see them every day practically.  Peptides are very difficult to make effective pharmaceutical agents, as they are very fragile, easily metabolized, and have a very short shelf life.  They are usually either stored frozen, or lyophilized to be reconstituted prior to administration.  

Incredible capabilities of delivery, including mass aerosol delivery for whole villages, etc with no talk about how the dose was controlled or limited. Drugs with incredible residence times in the body, avoiding metabolism, that modern pharma would kill for.  

Some questions that stick out for me, without digging too deeply, are why would this technology not be used during the Soviets fight in Afghanistan?

Why did the team that stormed the Moscow theater use such a crude technique to try and subdue the hostage takers?  They killed everyone by an over dose of a fentanyl analog.  

Why was the murder of Litvinenko performed in such a crude, easily traceable manner as polonium?

Lots of conjecture in the video, but devoid of facts.  My guess was that the source was a manager in charge who was told what he wanted to hear, and because he was not a scientist, did not have the capabilities of discerning the difference between actual successes (maybe lithium, MDMA, Ergot, opioids), and wild claims of people who were afraid of disappointing the man in charge.

I could be wrong though, or maybe you have been given the paranoid drug, and I have been given the obstinate one.




Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:51 | 1456279 DosZap
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O'whammy has GOT to know the Poll results of the Amerian people.(Gallup)

Except for the Democrats, which are not people.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:56 | 1456305 Missiondweller
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Maybe that's the source of tension and why Obama "lost it" yesterday. kudos to the person who posted the  psych evaluation of him. He certainly seems to match the narcisistic definition especually when things don't go his way.


After two years of nearly total control he seems to have a hard time adjusting to a "mixed" government. people are buying th "Hopey Changey" thing anymore.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:06 | 1456339 wang
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Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

3) believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

4) requires excessive admiration

5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

(American Psychiatric Assoc., 2000)


Grandiose/Malignant Subtype

-Exploits others with little regard for their welfare

-Grandiosity appears to be primary rather than defensive or compensatory

-Seething anger

-Interpersonal manipulativeness

-Pursuit of interpersonal power and control

-Lack of remorse

-Exaggerated self-importance

-Feelings of privilege

-Do not suffer from underlying feelings of inadequacy

-Not prone to negative affect states other than anger

-Little insight into their own behavior

-Tend to blame others for their problems

-Have the most problems with substance abuse

-Have the most externalizing behavior (e.g., spouse abuse)


-Experience feelings of grandiosity and inadequacy, suggesting alternative cognitive representations of self (superior vs. inferior)

-A grandiosity that emerges under threat, or serves a defensive function, warding off feelings of inadequacy, smallness, anxiety, and loneliness

-Wants to feel important and privileged, and when defenses are operating effectively, he does

-When defenses fail, there is a powerful undercurrent of negative affect and feelings of inadequacy, often accompanied by rage

-Suffers the most by having the poorest global adaptive functioning and the highest co morbidity with major depressive disorder and generalized anxiety disorder with Avoidant, Borderline, and Dependent Personality Disorders and lowest adaptive functioning




-Attention seeking

-Sexually seductive or provocative

-Has significant psychological strengths (e.g., is articulate, energetic, achievement oriented, interpersonally comfortable)

-The least co morbidity with other disorders

-Highest adaptive functioning

-Tend to use their narcissism as a motivation to succeed

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:11 | 1456363 Ghordius
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Are you describing me? Why are you so envious?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:12 | 1456376 Vic Vinegar
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Sounds like you have described every successful politician, actor and businessman.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:44 | 1456511 Hard1
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Actually it is well known that most top level politicians have narcisitic personality disorders.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:48 | 1456799 hurdygurdypauli...
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Exactly... which is why the PTB are considering junking the diagnosis as it is a hodge podge of  personalities that can also describe someone who is a good person who does good things and makes things happen... You know, the non-sheep the sheep on here keep talking about?

The narcissistic vampires are the ones you need to worry about... and sorry, Obama does not fit that unless you distort the truth... oh wait...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:31 | 1456455 Raymond Reason
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Sam Vaknin has a voluminous site on Narcissism.  Fascinating reading.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:53 | 1456818 hurdygurdypauli...
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Yes yes, most interesting, as are most sites... however, you are asking people to read about a mental health diagnosis on a site that is yelling at you the author is: 



Thu, 07/14/2011 - 14:16 | 1456905 r101958
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This sounds like a

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:15 | 1457181 Escapeclaws
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Other sciences you might consider besides psychology:

Astrological Science

Aroma Therapy



Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:53 | 1456286 SMG
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My guess is sometime after Aug 2nd maybe end of Sept at the most, this will be resolved with small spending cuts and tax loophole closure. Anybody else have any insight they'd like to share?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:55 | 1456302 Dr. Richard Head
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I anticipate a tax cut for top corporate campaign contributors, mortgage cramdown for specific classes of Amerikans, three more wars and then, and only then, will the debt ceiling be raised.  DEAL!!!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:58 | 1456316 Quintus
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How's the Government going to be financed between Aug 2 and End of Sept?  Assuming, that is, Timmy is telling the truth and the cash runs out on Aug 2 as he says it will?

Obama has already dismissed the option of multiple small scale deals to allow the negotiations to drag on.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:01 | 1456324 CrimsonAvenger
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Timmy.... telling..... the truth......

What was your question again?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:17 | 1456395 depression
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Oh Snap !

Was so looking forward to 'bunking' with Boner and the fellas at camp this weekend.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:01 | 1456325 Agent P
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Bridge loan from JPM.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:15 | 1456631 JohnG
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No no no no no!

We already have bridges to nowhere!

Oh nooooeeeeesssss!


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:02 | 1456330 SMG
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They'll have revenue coming in, they'll just have to spend less.   Most likely non-essential fed gov shutdowns, then maybe cut SNAP and Social Secuity, to ratchet the pressure.

If it does happen this way, maybe a good buying opp for PM's, maybe the last one.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:03 | 1456336 Agent P
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cut SNAP = revolution on...won't happen

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:05 | 1456343 Quintus
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It's definitely a possibility, but they'd have to reduce expenditure by more than 40% - the effect on the economy would be very, very bad.  I think there would, literally, be hungry people rioting in the streets.

Furthermore S&P said today that if the USG does not meet ANY of its payment obligations, including social security payments, military salaries etc, that would likely constitute a default.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:09 | 1456358 oldmanofthesee
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Possibly by using the $425 Billion it will collect in tax receipts during that period. Should cover debt service, SS, Veterans. Perhaps EPA and Dept of Ed employees will have to be layed off. I'm beginning to agree with those that say an increase in the debt ceiling is more of a negative for our credit rating, then raising it. Raising it shows we can't control our spending, and need the bond vigilantes to punish us.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:23 | 1456660 Calmyourself
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So do all of us stop paying taxes then?  How about the 1+ trillion in tax receipts coming in, is that not usable cash?  You may have mistaken that for the .40 cents on the dollar we currently borrow.  We can pay interest and granny and quite a bit of .gov with the .60 cents..  Plenty in fact..

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:07 | 1458359 cranky-old-geezer
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How's the Government going to be financed between Aug 2 and End of Sept?

Simple, loot more pension funds.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:05 | 1456342 CrashisOptimistic
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Folks had better understand that the party is over.

This is fiscal contraction and it has to happen.  But be very aware that this contraction is going to hit GDP and raise unemployment.

That will further depress tax revenue and force further contraction.  It's what austerity does.  A vicious cycle downwards and you can't avoid it by saying, well then we won't have austerity.  That doesn't work.  Oil won't allow growth.

The party is over.  The future is very dark for the young.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:13 | 1456381 TaxSlave
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GDP now counts money-changing 'financial services' and government expenditures as "product".  So yeah, if we stop the fairy tale borrowing, that number will go down.

And thousands of Tax Pigs tossed off government payroll?  It only counts as an increase in unemployment if you consider the parasits employed now.  To me, they're already unemployed, on welfare.  The only difference when they get tossed on the street is there will be an end date to the benefits.  Maybe.

They'll bring out the guns to prevent that from happening.  We'll just produce more and save them all, right?  Right.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:14 | 1456384 Ghordius
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The future is not dark for the young, since they have the one wealth all crave: youth.

Perhaps the future will have to be more realistic than the fantasy world we are living into since 1971, yes.

USA: still the number one where it counts.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:53 | 1456288 DosZap
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O'whammy has GOT to know the Poll results of the American people.(Gallup)

Except for the Democrats, which are not people.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:53 | 1456289 treemagnet
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Smores, camp fire songs, nature walks, debt talks, what a great way to learn and grow.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:20 | 1456403 Widowmaker
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Not a chance, more like hookers and hand jobs.

Camp David is always hosted by the fags of fraud street already on their knees.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:55 | 1456303 treemagnet
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On the other hand, maybe they could play a little "truth or dare" - could be interesting.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:56 | 1456304 DosZap
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O'whammy has GOT to know the Poll results of the American people.(Gallup)

Except for the Democrats, which are not people.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:56 | 1456307 freethinker4now
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Obama and Boner doing their best Broke Back impression @ Camp David, now thats putting party politics to on side. USA USA USA...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:58 | 1456311 SMG
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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:57 | 1456313 Robslob
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OBAMA...this ones for You!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:58 | 1456315 jack stephan
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Who is he Hank Greenburg now? Go back to Kenya.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:01 | 1456326 Urban Redneck
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What, Barry can't even be bothered to come into the office on weekends anymore, unlike the rest of us, so the office has to come to him?  All that stress of the long weekday commute in the elevator, down one floor, and then having to walking down the hall is must getting to be too much.  Perhaps his wannabe pathetic crippled ass should be in a wheelchair, but I guess that would rule out the extra day off each week to hit the links.   

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:12 | 1456375 oogs66
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now that his sleeves are rolled up, he figures he should enjoy some outdoor weather, plus he promised the kids, and he can be president for 5 more years, but the kids are getting older, so how many more times can he really take them with him to camp david?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:01 | 1456327 ThoughtCriminal
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i don't think this soap opera is going to get any Emmy Award noms

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:23 | 1456664 JohnG
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Inside Job got 11 though!  11!


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:03 | 1456334 roymunnson
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I would also like to point out that any talk of the national debt on MSM will completely go away for a long long time...because....the crisis will have been averted in perfect 24 hour news cycle formula.   story...problem.. climax... solution


Meanwhile Bernanke is already planning the next stimulus..and the American saver is gettting poorer

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:09 | 1456357 Temporalist
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An instructional video for taxpayers so they can practice their future jobs:

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:05 | 1456341 SITruth
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So what is spoiled brat Obama going to do next?  Hold his breath until his face turns blue?  Or better yet, for the good of the country, he'll run away from home.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:11 | 1456365 oogs66
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nantucket for golf?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:17 | 1456393 sabra1
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see avatar!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:05 | 1457155 SokPOTUS
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His lips are already blue, so you may be on to something there...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:09 | 1456360 Cassandra Syndrome
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Camp David or Bohemian Grove?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:10 | 1456361 NotApplicable
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If they want a better location, why not have it at Jekyll Island?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:26 | 1456678 JohnG
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I live in Ga. so please no.

OTOH, I have some nice rifles and a boat.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:10 | 1456362 oogs66
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too bad we don't have votes of confidence...maybe he wouldn't even last 4 years

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:12 | 1456366 Hacksaw
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Looks like the Koch brother's propaganda and all the insane screaming by the tea baggers has fallen on deaf ears, or is the American public smarter than given credit for. This is a very entertaining show. By a 2 to 1 margin the public blames the economy on Bush. Man all the racists and Republicans will have apoplexy if a black man wins a second term as president. Scream louder tea baggers, you will get your point across if you just shout loud enough. BWAHAHAHA

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:05 | 1456591 Vergeltung
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man, you libtards are dumb. uncommon stupidity.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:26 | 1456679 Calmyourself
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Industrial strength stupid..

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 14:13 | 1456775 Hacksaw
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Speaking of stupidity, how stupid is it to not be able to discern a libtard? I guess a libtard is someone who has voted for every Republican candidate for president since Richard Nixon. Thanks for proving my point. The tea baggers are going to destroy the Republican party and the party system has ruined this country. All of this my team against your team crap needs to come to an end and until it does nothing will change, that includes you Libertarians. When your loyalties are more to some party or idealolgy than to America then you have a problem. The stupid ones are those who line up on one side or the other and spout the canned propaganda from either. Many who post on ZH are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Those who claim to be concerned about America and line up behind one party or the other are simply hypocritical liars. You morons scare me much more than Boner or Obozo, they are simply the paid stooges of the insanely rich. You morons are the kind that would put old Adolf into the White House by acclimation if he burned down the Reichstag and blamed it on the commies. You can't even seem to discern a lib from a conservative. I guess it's easy to see why you might confuse conservatism with fascism.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:13 | 1456370 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Meanwhile, in other news:


Nothing to see here. Everything is fine.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:27 | 1456434 NotApplicable
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Wow. The rush was probably triggered by just a handful of people, and all of them were probably afraid they wouldn't get on the list.

Things can turn in an instant.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:32 | 1456463 Agent P
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And my wife wants to know why I keep buying ammo.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:55 | 1456552 pazmaker
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wow that one guy that got out in front and passed everybody might end up getting a contract with the Dallas Cowboys!!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:12 | 1456373 jointhewave
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Watch the YouTube Video 'Global Debt Crisis & WW3!'


In my opinion, we are months away from a false flag terror event...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:20 | 1456408 Ghordius
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Wait, I don't get it.

You mean that if there is a new big-scale terror attack the American Public will find it attractive to have ANOTHER full war with a previously not engaged country? Beside the fact that the armed forces are designed to engage in max 2.5 theaters (the status at the moment).

You don't have a high esteem of your countrymen, do you?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:13 | 1456378 proLiberty
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It should come as no surprise that the same crowd that has so many problems with simple concrete concepts like "shall not be infringed" and "Congress shall make no law"  also finds it impossible to comprehend that there are only so many jelly beans in the jar.



Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:15 | 1456385 rufusbird
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TIme Executive Order number 13590?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:28 | 1456440 rwe2late
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Obama will declare authority to raise the debt limit as an "emergency" measure to avoid economic calamity.

Congress (mostly Republicans) will then attempt to pass a measure disallowing Obama's executive action. Even if they are able to pass that measure through Congress, they will be unable to over-ride a presidential veto.

It's a win-win for the politicians. Obama gets to claim he saved the nation from disaster. Republicans get to claim they voted against incurring more debt.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:30 | 1456451 tip e. canoe
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Vince McMahon couldn't have wrote it better.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:19 | 1456406 web bot
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Obama better put the teleprompter away and #uckin pull his head out of his ass and start to show some pragmatic leadership. History is full of idealists who've failed because they've failed to appreciate the gravity of reality.

He's got an out if he's serious. Either compromise or take the #uckin out and put it to the people in 2012.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:23 | 1456420 Widowmaker
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"the people" -- HA!

The people have nothing to do with this, look at the Bushleague in Florida.

You are absolutely meaningless unless you are rich and incorporated.

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