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Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, Will Address Nation At 9.45 AM
And so hopefully the whole birth certificate meme can be put behind us, Trump's attention grab campaign will finally end, and people like Ron Paul will have a chance to actually run for president. Full statement from the president to come at 9:45am.
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We can haz STFU now, bitchez?
forreal.
back to the topic at hand: how the Fed's money cartel is destroying our nation.
o wait a minute, that was never on the agenda.
Enough people hanging out in the Chase and Goldman lobbies could put it back on the agenda? Wisconsin-stylee?
Dude. I tried several times to get an invasion of the squid. I got replies from two fbi domains and one real person.
We may have our differences but are you motherfuckers ready to.....ahem....protest peacefully? Get a facebook page started or a twitter thingy and i am ready.
I volunteer with ten others to man the battering ram because this wont be a surprise. The rest of you walk in peacefully, sit down, and start singing hippy songs. Wear quality tie dye.
Or our asian hedgers will pose as a delivery boy then unlock the back door. Robottrader i am sure could pose as the pimply faced dominos pizza guy.
I even promised to bail out the first 20 or so willing to join me. Dont you know a good deal when you see it?
All this proves is that, given 2+ years to come up with a decent-looking forgery, he finally has bothered to do so.
If it takes you that long to perform a minor act of corruption, well, that's pretty sad.
Remember the good old days when we had competent crooks in the White House? Sigh.
STFU.
The likes of Trump et al, the other alien abductees, will still claim it's a fake and want proof it's real. Wait for it... They simply can't take yes for an answer.
Is this bullish ?
3 years of fighting it's release, then just "oh, I see it's becoming a distraction, so here you go.." sounds awefully like "the forge is in, publish"..
Of course it's going to be scrutinized. Quit acting like it's below the gov't to actually lie...
quit acting like this means jack shit
Any way to carbon date the paper it was printed on ?
It was printed on recycled 100 dollar bills circa 2008 - 2011.
Something very strange here. Yesterday, April 26, the Hawaiian governor said all birth certificates are sealed records and will remain so, while the White House said birth issues are a "distraction".
Then today the White House releases what purports to be an archived digital image of the certificate--with a stamp on the lower front that says "April 25, 2011".
Explanation, please.
I can't speak to the rest, but it's common for a certified copies of public records to be stamped with the date of the release. Same with land records, for instance.
The Certificate of Live Birth, the short form, is prepared by the government, is the legal document required for proof of birth, and is the document controlled by the government. It would be this document that the Governor said was a sealed record. The long form is prepared by the hospital, is not considered legal proof of live birth, and I believe it is not controlled by the government. It would not have been affected by the Governer's decree.
If you need to prove when you were born, the short-form certificate of live birth is required, the long form won't do. Obama released the short-form Certificate of Live Birth during his presidential campaign.
Full college transcripts please Obama.
After all, we know George "Dunce Cap" Bush got "Legacy C's" at Yale, don't we...
Within 10 nanoseconds after the longform certificate is released, it will be declared a forgery by the birther movement.
Almost no one can 'prove' when and where they were born as we are all incompetent infants at birth. For that matter, it could be hard for many people to prove when and where they were married, after a comparable number of years, since records of such things are easily lost.
If all one has to do is say a document that is old, on microfiche, or some other indirect retention system, is forged, then such matters cannot ever be proven to the satisfaction of those who have a vested interest in contesting the claim.
Mark my words, the birther movement is only going to be energized by whatever comes next. It is a mistake for President Obama to buy into their frenzy. I wish he would not do that.
Maybe Obama has thought it through and realized he can split the birthers even more from the mainstream. How many Republicans are birthers? Anybody know?
A bizarre junk, indeed. Must be birthers lurking. If so, watch this video. Its about reason and evidence, and proving negative assertions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GS6vxb4H3M
How many Republicans are birthers? Anybody know?
Yes, all of them.
Yes. I think you're right.
A new twist in the Rope a Dope strategy.
This will keep them quite busy for a while and make them look nuttier.
Dope a' Rope Strategy
Does that mean after punching themselves out and losing the "Rumble in the Jungle"...
Tea Partiers and Republicans will go on to make a fortune selling George Foreman grills??
Actually the whole birther issue was born from one of Hillary's supporters, Philip Berg definitely not a Repub
Why would you junk this? Are you "birthers" still harping on this? Short of building a time machine and going back to witness Obama's birth in person, there is just no way to convince you guys huh? Such a non-issue really. It comes down to the fundamental limits on our ability to really know anything with 100% certainty. You have to go with the preponderance of the evidence at hand and make an informed decision. Of course if you blindly adhere to any belief, there is not much that the rest of us can do to convince you otherwise.
There are so many LEGITIMATE criticisms that can be made of Obama, why is it necessary to cling to BS conspiratorial nonsense? A distraction for the ignorant masses. Can we focus on the issues that actually matter now?
The best part is that even if McCain had won in 2008, do you think he would have really done anything differently? McCain is at least as much of a shill as Obama. It was a rigged lose-lose game to begin with (as all presidential elections fundamentally are these days). I am glad that some of you out there are smart enough to comprehend this point.
For him, maybe. But I thanked him for doing so. Just read the comments section and it is pure laughter.
So many on this site can not come to terms that their Negro president is a natural born US citizen. And they speak lenghtfully about cognitive disonance. So many good specimens of US citizenism.
There is not discontinuity between the US elite and their base as shown once again by this comments section. The base is disgruntled for many reasons, one is they wish they were elite.
No, the birthers will never be satisfied, there will always be some deeper conspiracy. This will only make them more determined. Back to the drawing board, pull on the tin foil thinking caps.
Look at a recent post as to what a real birth certificate looks like from that era.
No, this will only encourage the morons (see below) who pull "reality" out of the asses daily from their underground internet bunkers.
The is about having a "negro" president in America.
No amount of "proof" can change the "minds" of the mentally ill.
When all else fails, scream "RACIST!"
I never knew Obama had so many supporters lurking on ZH until I read this thread. Hey Obamunists, your president is a douche, with or without the paperwork.
I think the supporters are supporters of logic, not necessarily supporters of Obama.
Right, play race card = get nice with some logic.
Sarc tag needed?
Morons? I dont know? US citizens for sure. And there are many, many regulars to this site investigating truth. Truth and US citizens. Like matter and anti-matter.
"The negro was a natural born US citizen." Good title. Truthers, truthers...
IS'NT A CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND SEPERATE FROM A BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
There is an example Hawaii birth cert here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
It looks exactly the same. I guess 3 years is enough time to do a decent photoshop job ;)
'Cert of live birth' again this is not a 'long form birth certificate Tyler.
No need to debate the issue anymore. This is clear proof his father was not a US citizen at his birth or ever and that he does not qualify as a natural born Citizen. You gotta love this stuff.
One is a natural-born citizen if one is born in the United States. It does not matter where one's parents were born or what citizenship they possess. The Constitution only requires the President to be natural born, not the President's parents.
I didn't know DocX had diversified.
Subtle lolz
Linda Green, bitchez†
Expl for the newbies?
Kind thx.
Will I care?
(Answers on a postcard to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue)
That looks photo-somethinged. Copied? Shopped?
I bought a copy of the same one off eBay for $6 American.
You paid too much. I got one for 3 bucks.
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Try to only hit the save button once.
Double Post Syndrome (DPS) is due to constant NSA internet surveillance of ZHers...
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I say I say I Framed it right there...next to my autographed John Holmes dildo (don't touch that, son, never know where's it's been...actually, ahh doo...certified Ginger Lynn here in the certificate of awwthenticitay) and this fragment of the bullet that killed Dr. King that ahh do hold dear.
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Fortunately i keep my birth certificates numbered for just such an occasion...
it only took 2.5 years to forge an authentic certificate.
My thoughts exactly - will be funny when they find typos and have the wrong hospital listed
Each member of congress was sent Obamas Kenyan birth cert with doctors signatures, witnesses, foot prints. They know the real truth.
my thoughts exactly.
Hey, give the guy a break. He's had some very important prizes to collect, and a lot of golfing to get in. Even now he's using more than 50% of his strokes within 50 yards of the green, and the Secret Service guys have to be trained not to laugh when he tries to use a sand-wedge.
You gotta have priorities.
Everything but the post typed-in shit has nice tight modern fonts.
Since when is "African" a race?
It's a fake. Just kidding. I was made to look like a fool over this on Rachel Maddow's show, which was a big distraction over the Federal Reserve issue that was supposed to be prominent at this particular protest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19jfGsvk40A
Go to about 2:50- and the mele begins. I show up twice. Yo ucan see me at 2:30 in for the first shot and then again at 3:34 for speaking against the Fed. I am the "I want to print some money" guy. Good fun. Distractions, distractions.
Flag my junk bitchez. Flag my junk.
You sound proud of your junk.
Indeed, but I will never accumulate the amount of junks you are able to. Sell me your silver bitch.
Sorry, all gone except for a few trinkets the kids play with. I am saving those to bribe the border guards.
<JUNK> button keeps Timmay Jeethner, The Bernank and Obummer busy...
Man what a dumb bitch. Sure there's some loonies in the tea party, but she adds nothing to any discussion if she's just mocking and making fun. Leave that to Colbert and Stewart, or his hers meant to be a comedy show?
How's her sarcastic reply to the 'end the fed' comments... something like "Oh sure, great, lets just have private banks, like um... citigroup". Then just outright mocking this idea of being against taxes... WTF should I be overjoyed about paying taxes? Fuck you bitch, you love them so much, pay my taxes too.
Praising Obama for passing the "biggest middle class tax cut in history" like it was some panacea, as opposed to politics as usual. Did it solve the deficit? Did anyone actually have a noticeable impact on their taxes? Did Government suddenly figure out how ot waste gigantic gobs of money? Meanwhile almost $0.50 of every $1 I earn gets taken from my pocket by the government one way or another. Yeah sure, I'm overjoyed by that.
No kidding. I do wish those against corporatism would realize that the Federal Reserve IS the mechanism being used for entrenching corporate interests against the interest of the population. I think that is something the far right and far left could agree on, along with the war issue. Oh well, it seems to be pissing in the wind to get people to see the light.
Only in good old America.
So Bernanke can print Birth Certificates too? WOW!!!
Who coulda thunk it?
Lmao!! Winner!!
Wow, our President was born!
Shit, I had 'hatched' in the pool.
Six trillion dollar man (that's what the American taxpayer will pay anyway after the markup) made in a secret CIA lab. Live birth? Did Frankenstein have a certificate?
Well, they did it quicker than the zapruder film, that took 12 years to be doctored and then released for public consumption.
LOL, they can create shit out of thin air and are smashing electrons at the speed of light. Who gives a shit about a piece of paper stating a clone is real. Gimmie a break, just more deliberate distractions for the masses to google about.
Do you you mean a clone or a clown ?
The point is nothing they do is coincidence. IT's a psyops mindfuck if you ask me. They put a gun to our head, stole trillions and we have proof of where it went. Now they are about to do it again! Then all of a sudden we get this garbage about a piece of paper on the day of the fed meeting and discussions about the debt limit??? What the fuck is more important? People don't give a shit about giving their money away to vampire scum but now they care about a little piece of paper?
Well said Gordon.
There are no such thing as coincidences. All a distraction...
right on Gordon right on! I couldn't agree more!
AAA++
Exactly! Coincidence? When the Fed is meeting? Bernanke's first presser? I've got my popcorn popper already charged up. Who gives a shit about Obama? Is he a banker? We know who pulls the levers.
Thus revealing Trump's real purpose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking_horse
+However many times Trump has declared bankruptcy.
welcom to the advent of newer tecnology!
The standing down by the secret service was the most eye opening video I ever did see on that particular issue - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8
Thanks for posting that. First time seeing it. That's some crazy crap.
No problem. The first time I saw that I Bernanked my pants.
This entire meme was cooked up by Obama to divert conspiracy-minded Americans- sorry, Americans- away from the more pressing failures of his presidency.
Well this is the end of the Trump caper...he's lost his TRUMP card!
More than likely that was the plan all along. Trump played his part well for this reality show.
Get ready for the next Presidente of USA, General Petraeus:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42778553/ns/politics-white_house
Of course, he won't be elected...it will just be like in the days of the Roman empire.
I think so too Green Leader. There are elections, there are selections and then there is 'Forced Entry", battering ram first.
The future, in this case, looks not-too-good eh?
ORI
You've come to where I was when I ranted on about the civil war between the Populares and the Optimates of Roman days and how Julius Caeser was the only way out of political stale-mate and certain geo-political defeat.
Bingo! From head of the overt war to head of the covert war. The CIA director stint of Big Daddy Bush did wonders for his career...
Why didn't he just release this 3 years ago?
Because he doesn't have to? Because it still won't satisfy the crazies?
Because good fakes take time? :)
Because it didn't exist 3 years ago?
And try taking a photocopy of your birth cert to get a driver's license. They won't accept it.
+1961
So how do the Mexicans get one? Two sets of rules?
They get an "original" made in a back alley in TJ by a guy with photoshop. Not much different than this one, except this one needed to be inserted into the official records (not too hard under the circumstances).
And try taking a photocopy of your birth cert to get a driver's license. They won't accept it.
Tried to take a cerfitied copy of my daughter's birth certificate to the local school department to enroll her in public school. Not good enough - they need the original. They didn't seem to have an answer when I asked, "And what happens if the original doesn't exist?"
ALOHA!
doesn't mean anything
I would rather see his finacial aid application to Occidental where he listed himself as a foreign student from Indonesia
i would too.
the no birth certificate issue was a legitimate topic during the campaign and for even for awhile after he was elected. i have no confidence that this is not doctored or a complete forgery, though it matters little now anyway.
if he's trotting this out now, he is doing so because he fears Trump. but the catch-22 is he now opens himself up to being proven he lied on his financial aid app (which is a far more recent document). i hope they follow up on that.
I'm sure ALL the originals are "lost". This was before the days of computers and I doubt anythone thought them important enough to scan.
Lying on a financial aid app may be embarrassing or even illegal but it wouldn't have and doesn't now change his citizenship status or actual place of birth which in this context can be the only constitutional dealbreaker.
right. but at this late date he obviously wasn't going to be removed due to the birth certificate issue anyway. but maybe just maybe the general populace finding out he is just another schemer and liar would change enough votes in the next election.
not that i'm holding my breath on that.
methinks this (or some variant) has been the real issue all along
Hey...something that boobus americanus really cares about....but I think the prez should have waited until the end of the royal wedding and after the new american idol winner is chosen. If he did that he would of had a 2 minute window of public attention span. So sad, and even more terrifying for the future of this quickly eroding empire.
I believe the correct term in Ovis Americanus.
Boobus Americanus is a smaller group belonging to many performers on TV; almost all female, natural habitat California.
I stand corrected. Ovis Americanus is a better term, more descriptive.
I think Ovis Americanus is even better than "sheeple"
I learn something everyday.
i still dont know !!!.....they were not PC correct in 1961 and calling Blacks race as African
Hooray, we officially have a bonafide, domestic-born, rainbow and unicorn Marxist for a president.
If it was that easy you'd think he would have done this a long time ago.
It's almost like this guy isn't particularly good at making important decisions.
+1
Thank God.
Additional documents uncovered by WND support a previous report that President Obama's parents did not live together as husband and wife at the Honolulu address listed in birth announcements in two local newspapers.
Both newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, carried the announcement that Barack Obama Jr. was born Aug. 4, 1961, to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, residing at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Additional research has established that the grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham, lived at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, not Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham.
Moreover, Mr. and Mrs. Obama apparently did not live together after their marriage, with Dunham evidently remaining in the rented 6085 Kalanianaole Highway house.
Barack Obama Sr. lived alone at an 11th Avenue address in Honolulu, closer to the university. Dunham left Hawaii for Seattle in August 1961, the month of Barack Obama Jr.'s birth, to study at the University of Washington.
HMMMM..........................................................guess today's revelation solves nothingThe constitutional issue here is whether or not Obama was born in the USA, not how committed his parents' relationship was when he was born.
Can you take this shit somewhere else ffs.
Never validate a paranoid schizophrenic. Now you will need extra large butterfly nets for the raving birthers.
If it was all this easy why spend $2,000,000.00 in legal fees to not show it?
Always ask why...not that I give a shit...he sucks anyway...
Indeed, to fight an issue which would have easily been resolved. Plus, this fucking administration kept saying they already showed it. Either way, it is a distraction and I could care less about it. I am just happy that Trump will be made to look like more of a fool than he already his.
Trump - crony capitalistic whoreclub for men.
So, was daddy a citizen of america? Or Kenya? Take a look at the certificate. It planly states "Kenya". That is the real reason to hide this document. Let the impeachment begin.
Obama was an anchor baby then?
I'm not a citizen of america, but my son is. What is your point?
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+1 Star Wars reference
So let me get this straight. Obama spends $3 million fighting to keep this private. Then when Trump starts stirring things up and a new book is about to be released this long form birth certificate appears?
Basically, except that I'm sure the real tally is more than $3M for trying to keep this private.
So how about them academic records?
Same as now...straight A's just for showing up.
You mean you have to show up? When did they make that a requirement?
All part of the plan. Any kind of opiate dramatic like event will due in order to keep attention away from the real issues which is...regardless if our President was born on Mars or not he is the grandest corporate puppet of all time and our constitution has been usurped by a banking cartel which is global.
The irony that it occurred with a supposed professor of constitutional law is the elites sick joke as they bind the shackles even tighter. The only one who can course correct us is Ron Paul. That is why Trump has been entered into the game as a diversion. Rather brilliant move on the elites part. How else to distract Reality TV obsessed America than with a construct of what Americans consider a successful business man since they are too lazy to actual digest any information not reported on the 5 o'clock news.
Let them eat Snookies!
+1 - but you can keep the Snookies.
Damn straight. Not enough Listerine in the world...
Spot on
Photocopy is hacked
Should read "Father's tribe"
(pretty obvious really guys..)
The DONALD will never shut-up....
I like bad liars myself. First thing that interests me in a girl actually.
Not the second?
lol. disabledvet's a bad liar too.
If it was real, he'd have released it years ago so as to avoid all the negative press. As is his entire presidency, this too is a fabrication.
did i forget to add i hate good lawyer...LIARS, LIARS--myself?
Wow - they must have figured they needed to put-out this hand-held copy of a document to cover-up for the utter Epic Fail that is going to be Benron's presser today.
Seriously folks, Barry (who I actually do think was born in Hawaii) has the entire Fed.Gov at his disposal. You're thinking for an instant he couldn't have this forged? That said, I'm thinking a forgery would have actually looked more, you know, real.
Fake.
just because you can't handle the truth doesn't give you an excuse to junk my shit (bitchez).
Of course its fake, just like everything else today.
Well he still had to give up his US citizenship to gain Indonesian citizenship. That's a fact.