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Obama Says NATO Considering Military Options Against Libya

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From Reuters:

U.S. President Barack Obama said on Monday that NATO was considering military options in response to the situation in Libya.

Obama, speaking after talks with visiting Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard, said the two countries agreed that violence by the Libyan government against its people was unacceptable.

And some more "insights" from Robert Gates:

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates cautioned on Monday that any foreign military intervention in the crisis in Libya would require international backing.

"I think we will have to monitor the situation very closely," Gates, on a visit to Afghanistan, said when asked about the possibility of an international military response in Libya.

"But I think at this point there is a sense that any action should be the result of international sanction," he told a news conference.

The comments came as government forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi struck at rebels in the east and concern mounted over civilian suffering and a growing exodus of refugees.

Gates said developments in the Middle East had further damaged the image of Iran, where the opposition says at least 79 people were arrested at protest rallies last week that the government denied had even taken place.

"I think where Iran is the loser ... is the contrast between militaries and security authorities in places like Tunisia and Egypt standing aside while people protest against their government, while security services of the Iranian government ruthlessly suppress and kill those who would criticise or protest."

"They (Iran) are losers already in this image across the world," he said.

Gates did not mention Bahrain, where seven people died last month when security forces moved to break up protests in Manama.

Nor did he criticise Saudi Arabia, where activists say security forces on Sunday moved to keep the wave of Arab unrest outside Saudi borders by detaining at least 22 minority Shi'ites who protested last week against discrimination.


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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:23 | 1026260 MayIMommaDogFac...
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But, but, but...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:27 | 1026284 Pladizow
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America will never allow the citizens of an oil rich country to be violated.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:33 | 1026313 pragmatic hobo
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... unless the government of that oil-rich country is winning.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:43 | 1026374 SWRichmond
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...or their name sounds like "Saud"

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:01 | 1026456 rocker
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Looks like it could be time to go 100% short everything.   They want a correction. The CBs always get what they want.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:08 | 1026488 financeguru500
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No, everything is fine. The next move will be to bring democracy to Libya and then to Iran & Saud.

Then all our democratic friends will share their oil with us at discount prices.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:44 | 1027130 rocker
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LOL     I am a seller today.  HFTs look like they are going after accounts.  Sell in May just might be now.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:44 | 1026376 morph
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Yeah funny how no one cares about Zimbabwe.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:15 | 1026514 Robert Neville
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Or Somalia. Funny how oil brings out the "humanitarian" in everyone.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:34 | 1026593 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Very well-put.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:31 | 1026807 Tail Dogging The Wag
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NATO will not stand idly by, so they're going into Libya. Considering that there's no oil or riches in Somalia, I guess the Somalians don't deserve "democracy".

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:15 | 1026516 EscapeKey
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America will never allow the oil of a citizen rich country to be violated.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:29 | 1026574 SofaPapa
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LOL.  Good fix.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1026292 nope-1004
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But Obummer means:

"gotta invade to slow the rise in oil prices cuz we gotta keep printing toilet paper for my shitty banker buds...."


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:34 | 1026328 SheepDog-One
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Could easily go horribly wrong overnite IMO. Hillary and Gates running the 'war with no plan', the 'We Gotta Do Somethin' war. Imagine oil prices when 400 marines are killed or captured for another Iran hostage situation. Not to mention pouring gas on the muslim bonfire...seriously what are these people thinking?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:41 | 1026356 Henry Chinaski
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No boots on ground.  The rebels don't want us there, but they do want to cop some air power.  Special forces and drones.  Gates stuck around for a reason; he knew the bozos running the show needed adult supervision.  

UN or NATO will come in later and pick up the pieces.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:40 | 1026357 cougar_w
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All very true.

However I think they are probably planning a no-fly zone, and then let the (Libyan) grunts on the ground do the wet work. Maybe at the end drop a few daisy cutters to smoke Moammar out of whatever hole he digs for himself.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:46 | 1026391 Cognitive Dissonance
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Could I really witness two "spider hole incidents" in the same lifetime?

Pinch me so I know I'm awake. 

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:51 | 1026415 SheepDog-One
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Spider hole dictators, lol.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:55 | 1026435 Atomizer
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Your not the only one. My arm is bruised.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:40 | 1029609 Hexus
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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:45 | 1026378 Oh regional Indian
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SD-i, these people are thinking... so far so good, allaccording to plan.

These seeds (dictators) were planted a long time ago.

Look at Babt Doc, hsi dad and haiti. it was stunningly kitchy, how they brought baby doc to face justice, 30 years on, statute of limitations gone, haiti in post quake frenzy...

sudden cognitive doc back and on trial?

Haiti trouble have been off the news since.

So far so according to script.

We all have to remember, ordo Ab Chao (order out of chaos) will only follow ordo Ad Chao (chaos out of order).

What we are currently witnessing is nowhere near planetary chaos, which, I believe, is the goal.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:54 | 1026425 SheepDog-One
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All to prevent attention being concentrated on any 1 thing for longer than a few minutes.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:34 | 1026590 Michael
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I'm really getting tired of all this US policing of the world shit. Let China and Russia deal with it or leave it alone.

I pray the Muslim world get together and form a Muslim NATO like coalition.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:49 | 1026912 Vergeltung
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oh, yeah, brilliant idea. I'm sure nothing but good & peaceful things would come from that. cause, after all, it's such a peaceful religion and all.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:34 | 1027090 Michael
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No one and nothing can ever be more evil than what the US made the 60's Russian communists out to be.

As long as everbody has nukes eveything will be fine.

Nikita Khrushchev shoe banging incident

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 19:51 | 1027892 asteroids
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Bush went to the UN to invade. We know how that worked out. Now Obozo wants to pull the same trick with NATO. How stupid do you think the world is.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:37 | 1026335 Azannoth
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This is Not Violence this is Civil War! Stay the hell out of Libya

Violence is what Saudi Arabia and Bahrain are doing go invade there

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:39 | 1026347 Larry Darrell
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Let's not go invade there.  Let's not go invade anywhere else.  Let's get out of the current invasions.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:44 | 1026377 Spastica Rex
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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:46 | 1026379 SWRichmond
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Hey, it's another balance-sheet entry on the income side for the MIC...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:51 | 1026412 cougar_w
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Say that's right, this must be bullish for equities then.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:24 | 1026555 Id fight Gandhi
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Must be why price line is soaring to new highs. Gas up? Travel restricted? No matter. Momos away.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:23 | 1026264 spinone
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Oh snap

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:24 | 1026265 the not so migh...
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The peace movement will bend over and take it like always since its "their" guy in the white house.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:41 | 1026358 kaiserhoff
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Vat Else? 

Obama to Godaffy "Yo Momma!"

I've seen more hostility between two fat chicks fighting over a stale twinkie.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:04 | 1026476 carbonmutant
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Bush of a diferent color...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:25 | 1026266 alien-IQ
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market should like totally rally on this. definitely bullish...definitely definitely bullish....

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:23 | 1026267 Hugh Jorgan
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They aren't actually going to tell Obama what the plan is are they?  Does Bradley Manning get a phone call? 

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:39 | 1026348 serotonindumptruck
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"Does Bradley Manning get a phone call?"

No, but he should be getting his clothes back any time now.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:27 | 1026273 Big Corked Boots
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Do we get to keep the oil this time?

Waiting for the protester's chants of "no blood for oil, no blood for oil..."

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:24 | 1026275 Cdad
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Well then, I guess the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street is done intra-day rumor mongering for this session.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:25 | 1026276 Cognitive Dissonance
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I would love to be a fly on the wall in the State Department or the Oval office.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:28 | 1026294 williambanzai7
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I have a robot cockroach in there right now. Be back shortly.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:37 | 1026341 bania
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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:44 | 1026371 cougar_w
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Rahm is back in town and he's working for you?

Pull the other one.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:45 | 1026383 Miss Expectations
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Is it a sneaky little type like in New York City or the giant Palmetto bugs (that fly) like the ones in the south?  Washington might be on the border of both territories.  In my NYC apartment they used to sneak into the microwave.  30 seconds on high sounded like a bag of jiffy pop.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:55 | 1026436 Cognitive Dissonance
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Now I don't know if I'll ever be able to eat microwave popcorn again without thinking about your damn NYC apartment.

I thought we were friends Miss Expectations? :>)

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:27 | 1026557 Temporalist
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You shouldn't be eating that garbage from the microwave.  Burning microwave popcorn'll kill ya.  It is simple to make on the stovetop or with an air popper.  Plus you get way more popped kernels and it doesn't go stale in 4 minutes.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:31 | 1026580 Cognitive Dissonance
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Sorry, forgot the (/sarc) tag.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:12 | 1027014 Temporalist
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Yea I know I was just typing to give myself something to do...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:35 | 1026330 cossack55
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Could be dangerous. They might appoint you TreasSec.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:49 | 1026403 Cognitive Dissonance
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Which means I would have been selected to fall on my pocket knife.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:26 | 1026277 SheepDog-One
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Blood for oil much Obama??

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:14 | 1026517 carbonmutant
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WH is just floating a rumor to get public opinion.

This administration isn't going to invade anything without public support.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:24 | 1026553 Saxxon
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Correct carbon.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:09 | 1026705 Yardfarmer
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public support?! bwahahahahahaha! since when did the "public" have any say about invasions or monetary policy or anything else for that matter other than a survey of fat asses planted on couches for television ratings. brain dead lemmings.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 18:27 | 1034334 carbonmutant
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Public Support is the cornerstone of "Moral Justification"

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:26 | 1026278 ReallySparky
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Uh Oh.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:25 | 1026279 Me XMan
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This is old news IMO.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:28 | 1026282 Mercury
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Still, still, still don't think U.S. will be part of any military action in Libya.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:30 | 1026305 CPL
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I agree, why use US troops when Ottawa has so many officers in reserve sitting on their fat asses.  For a 100k a year, I think Canada could use some cost cutting by slapping a gun in their hands and throwing them on the shore.


Besides i don't think the Chinese would like the optics of the American troops running around messing up their ten year investment.  Then we would have something else to worry about.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:27 | 1026285 rubearish10
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Yeah, the natives would really appreciate more occupation.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:55 | 1026432 Zero Govt
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no the CIA are the worlds official 'self-appointed' police force didn't you know?!!
...they know what's best for everyone, selfless in their persuit of global happiness

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:28 | 1026286 TradingJoe
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Aha! So who will sell USO then, because it's "rolling-over" futures contracts starting tomorrow, eh?

Guess NOBODY :))!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:34 | 1026317 earlthepearl
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Shit I just closed all my call  options on USO thinking i could 

buy them back at a discount before friday...


Was i dumb?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:42 | 1026345 TradingJoe
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depends which ones you had, April or July, if you had April never mind, buy back July, make sure you're not too far off, buy near the money say strike 50 they go for 1.80 right now!

this is just the usual scare to shake out weak hands, the bancheros are on to something and I am sure they want you out now...the less "retailers" the bigger the pie!

with JP Morgue paying hotel bills for some 4* Generals...I think they "know" what we anticipate, I don't get scared that easily SA is the elephant not Lybia!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:49 | 1026396 earlthepearl
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I closed out April - 51 calls, i bought them for 0.15, sold for 0.58.


Iwas thinking going for July near money like you said, but do think there is some sorta pull back coming?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:11 | 1026490 TradingJoe
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not really "pearl"! I rather think the "pull backs" will be "daily shows" at most! all we need is Saudi getting into something, even small, and this sucker goes to the moon. it's all speculation now..don't get me wrong, there is plenty of oil to go around, for a while, this is just using "momentum" in the ME!


Get the July 50 Calls before they hit $2! Got mine @ $1.23 last week, also got me some July 50 Puts on QQQQ, you know just in case!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:48 | 1026397 earlthepearl
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I closed out April - 51 calls, i bought them for 0.15, sold for 0.58.


Iwas thinking going for July near money like you said, but do think there is some sorta pull back coming?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:38 | 1026337 earlthepearl
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Shit I just closed all my call  options on USO thinking i could 

buy them back at a discount before friday...


Was i dumb?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:27 | 1026287 Harmonious_Diss...
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This sounds quite Bullish for the DOW.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1026290 hognutz
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Ohbummer might better hold all his cards until he sees what is going to happen in saudia Arabia.........

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1026291 Tulli
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Really? You mean that all those little boats out there in the med are actually there to take action, and not just make a navy party?


Oh my... what a surprise.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1026297 Mad Max
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All those ships are in position to kick ass and chew gum.  And they just ran out of gum.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:38 | 1026338 Franken_Stein
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Roddy Piper, They live !

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1026293 Mad Max
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Hopefully within six months we'll be in a position to save the Arabians from the Saudis.  Freedom, hope n'change, etc. etc.

Let this be your warning Canada!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:33 | 1026324 CPL
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What warning.  Canada has been part of the US empire for the better half of 20 years now under NAFTA.  Can't name a large Canuck company that's left after NAFTA that isn't in some way shape or form owned wholly or at least by proxy by a multinational US company.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:23 | 1026766 Oh regional Indian
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CPL, it's been happening here in India too. Loosening ownership regulationships to outsiders in every field. Dollars/Euros pumpng in (don't just believe FDI, Defence is a HUGE industry in India now, courtesy israel and the US and they do tons of off-sets).

Something I posted in another thread seems apropos...


It's all a script, the dealer collecting all the cards off the table, odds were always in his favour, a couple of lucky marks got rich and everyone else is already thinking, will I catch the next big wave? No waves now suckers, only tsooooo nammys!

No cause wars are now the norm.

hey, you got the Himalayas. God made unfair mountain distribution.

In the name of the unjust god, I'm going to blow you apart so i can put a flag on the Himalayas. Of infinite appetite and gigantic ass, I want it all. Scarf scarf....all mine....snort snort...






Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1026295 Crassus
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Julia must be spellbinding.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:30 | 1026298 InconvenientCou...
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I must have been reading ZH for too long but, I could swear this business in Libya is following a script.

You've got to know the U.S. and other western interests have only one interest in this. It's certainly not blood or lack thereof. Those effers are running a play right now. The end zone is a temporary military structure just like Egypt. Y'know... players.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1026299 buzzsaw99
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He also said: It's not about the oil. NOT!!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:34 | 1026319 johnQpublic
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we'd do the same thing if all they exported was carrots



Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:33 | 1026321 Cpl Hicks
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Oil? An American interest? No way, it's about human rights and American non-exceptionalism.

BTW- who is calling the shots in the NATO military community these days?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:39 | 1026342 CPL
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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:46 | 1026388 Cpl Hicks
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Then the invasion, sorry-'option' is off.

Barry will have to learn how to do his masters' bidding.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1026300 hognutz
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On another note, when the people rise up against the House of Saud, will Obama support the people or the Monarchs???????

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:32 | 1026307 buzzsaw99
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What do you think Bush III will do?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1026301 serotonindumptruck
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I'm wondering what Russia's response would be to this type of campaign?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:43 | 1026366 Shameful
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Privately, open laughter and hi-fives.

American Empire spreads itself thinner while driving up oil prices. Yeah I think Russia is pretty ok with that.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:51 | 1026417 serotonindumptruck
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Yes, that seems plausible. By applying a bit of reverse psychology and warning the West to stay out of Libya, the Russians were privately hoping for an American military response that would serve to hasten the demise.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:30 | 1026303 Caviar Emptor
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This is the first step toward building the permanent MENA-to-USA underwater pipeline ! Booya !

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:32 | 1026304 SheepDog-One
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Cut'n paste 'military action', this has all the warning signs of going very wrong. They have no clear plan, just 'got to do something', well thats no way to carry out a war. Russia and Iran have warned US to dont even consider going into Libya. And where are all the Obama minions clogging DC streets over 'No War For Oil' huh wheres all the bigmouths? Wow Obama sure has turned out to be the all time war monger after all.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:35 | 1026327 Turd Ferguson
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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:12 | 1026506 Cognitive Dissonance
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Did I just hear correctly that you had a million hits on your blog inside of a month?

I'm jealous. :>)


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:39 | 1026351 johnQpublic
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nobel shoulds waited to see what he did befor  they gave him an award for not being bush...because he is bush

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:14 | 1026511 zaknick
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Thomas "apparatchik" Friedman, Krugman, Henry "I'll have genocide for breakfast" Kissinger, some jooooo prime minister, Obamao

You really think those Swedes aren't politicized? Their latest was the Chinese guy in jail....not because of human rights because there are tons of other dissidents being oppressed in the "free world" but because they're an instrument for regime change for the banksters.

All of the "institutions" we have grown up with are nothing but a cheap farce enabled by the Great Wurlitzer (the MSM).

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:41 | 1026862 Tail Dogging The Wag
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But wait, this is in the name of peace. Remember Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:31 | 1026306 Racer
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But what about that rumour about Gadaffi leaving that was timed for the US open? You mean that wasn't true?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:35 | 1026310 QuantumCat
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Really?  Why?  Because the Libyan people need to be liberated from their own indigenously lead liberation movement under the banner of NATO?  WTF?!!!  Enough meddling!  Let the people rise up and claim their own country, for better or for worse. The arrogance is appalling.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:52 | 1026917 Tail Dogging The Wag
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If we let the Libyans free themselves from the Colonel, how are we going to secure free oil for our multinational corporations? we must "liberate" the people, bring "democracy", and replace our puppet and then offer military aid to this country. Put our weapons makers and  corporations to rebuild the new Libya, and repeat the cycle. We can't let the Chinese our Russians take our role. This is a gold mine. Imagine a McDonald's and a KFC on every block. It's time to bring Colonel Sanders of KFC fame to the rescue!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:33 | 1026312 adonisdemilo
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williambanzai7; how will you know which is your cockroach? the place is full of them

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:36 | 1026314 QuantumCat
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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:33 | 1026315 rayban
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I wonder whether China will ever do something "unacceptable". Unless, of course, exporting democracy does not apply to creditor nations with a strong atomic arsenal and a few million enlisted men...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:01 | 1026461 ebworthen
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LOL - yup, true that.

What's thousands of Tibetans and Christians executed and organs harvested compared to the supplier of cheap crap to U.S. retailers who also has nuclear subs off our West coast?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:32 | 1026316 adonisdemilo
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williambanzai7; how will you know which is your cockroach? the place is full of them

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:35 | 1026329 Piranhanoia
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flash; 2059, no fly zone encroaches entire world. UN intends to make a resolution

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:35 | 1026331 Caveman93
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As I sit here looking at how WAR, Money printing and ever increasing oil prices have such a bullish effect on silver, I say invade! The higher the oil price the better!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:38 | 1026339 locinvestor
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2 part question for the President and Prime Minister:

Aside from wanting the oil, how is the Libyan crisis a threat in any way to either one of your countries?

Two, you keep talking about "respecting people's rights to air their grievances". Does this also mean the right to choose the type of government that they want?

If they do use the military to invade and take over Libya, how will they pay for it? The States can't afford it. Gillard's getting roasted alive back home for trying to pass a carbon tax and packaging it as "not being a real tax". How will they justify Libya as being a real threat to their national security? Not to be rude about it. But the truth is Gillard will copy everything Obama does. She doesn't have the political nerve to stand up to him.

People (and yes, this includes Iraqis and Afghans) have and continue to die for no reason since we've invaded. Now, Obama's seriously proposing we do it for a third time?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:42 | 1026359 the not so migh...
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3rd times the charm.  Obama will prove he is better then Bush by killing more in a shorter period of time.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:46 | 1026382 Shameful
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OK I got it.  Spin a story about how there will not be an NFL season unless we invade Libya.  that the players are simply to distraught by their civil war and won't be able to take the field unless they know that oil...err people are safe.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:55 | 1026433 Pants McPants
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Uhh, yeah it'll be done a third time.  And a fourth, and a fifth, etc.

Besides, armed with a Nobel prize, Obama's invasions promise the "kinder, gentler machine gun hand"  ( - Neil Young)

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:37 | 1026340 cougar_w
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Oil market stability FTW

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:39 | 1026350 sulfur
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who would have expected that...i thought all that us marines just wanted to do some sightseeing

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:17 | 1027034 aerojet
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They even already mention Tripoli in the Marine Corps Hymn because the US invaded once already!  It's just retro--like cars and movies!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:41 | 1026353 SheepDog-One
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Obama says 'Violence against the Libyan people by Gadaffi is simply unacceptable' the hypocrisy, where do you even START? How about the massive violence against citizens by illegal aliens in the US south west border war zone, is that at all unacceptable? Nah.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:52 | 1026423 irishgurl4
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Of course not, those "illegal aliens" are "future citizens."  Gotta keep 'em happy.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:58 | 1026444 Pants McPants
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I totally agree with your line of thinking.

But you have to admire - albeit in a dark way - the brashness of it all.

My question is, after Obama has spent all of his political capital, who does the US turn to for "credibility"?  I fear the US may install one of those strict disciplinarians after the lovy-dovey Obama period has worn off.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:08 | 1026485 SheepDog-One
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Could very well be the strict disciplinarian dictator is already there! I always thought Obamas kinder gentler speech and mannerisms was a mask to the real tyrant underneath.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:31 | 1026581 Pants McPants
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I think Michelle is ten times as ruthless as Barack.  Her and Hillary would make a hell of a tandem.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:41 | 1026354 Franken_Stein
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Thank God us Germans never joined your GIs in this morass called Iraq.


Good to see Blackwater mercenaries quartered in the streets.


Eric Prince can go to hell !!!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:59 | 1026448 serotonindumptruck
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"Eric Prince can go to hell !!!"

Or Mexico City. Whichever is the hottest.

The Germans should be glad that they won't have to deal with the heavily armed Mexican drug cartels in the near future. I believe Prince's hands may be dirty in this regard.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:40 | 1026355 irishgurl4
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Funny how when the genocide in Darfur was going on we did nothing, but Libya strafes a few of their people and oh no we can't have that.  Guess they just don't have enough oil in Darfur for us to give a damn.

I say let the Libyans fight.  This is none of our damn business.  They want to be free, let them earn it.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:53 | 1026427 Racer
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Exactly... the US only cares about oil and that's it.

They don't care about the unemployment in the US, they don't care about killing of people, the rich banksters need oil to fuel their gas guzzling fleets of cars

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:10 | 1026493 UninterestedObserver
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Uh you mean fleets of jets...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:19 | 1026744 velobabe
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av or aviation gas, is really expensive.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:41 | 1026362 Kurtieboy
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Yup......very old news. I predict a know fly zone shortly. Oh and by the way NATO is already involved with special forces commando troops on the ground.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:42 | 1026363 GolfHatesMe
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Chavez must have forgot to send the Spanish to Muslim Rosetta Stone with his peace deal.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:48 | 1026394 SilverRhino
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NATO?   WTF?   That's a defensive organization.  Guess they need to rename it.

Northern AXIS Treaty Organization.  

This sucks; we're (the US) are becoming the bad guys.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:42 | 1026602 Temporalist
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North America Takes Oil


The U.S. is like the fat guy at the dinner table when you're half done with your meal and he reaches for you fries and says "I'll eat it if you're done with it."

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:49 | 1026405 johngerard
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I don't see what the problem is.  Let them chop each other up in the desert.  Let Libya burn to the ground.  The purpose of war is to bring about peace after passing a culminating phase of violence.  Let the strong vanquish the weak, whatever the result.

And then see who will rise from the ashes and form a government.

Let them get on with it.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:01 | 1026455 Inthemix96
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Spot on john mate, spot on

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:50 | 1026406 alexwest
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its getting hot in herrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:57 | 1026441 SheepDog-One
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Yep exactly.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:50 | 1026409 John McCloy
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First the dollar ends (Slowly albeit) in favor of metals as a haven  for safety.Next up we should start seeing our selloffs have minimal impact on the 10 year. If begin does beging to tighten and protect the dollar it will be too late because confidence is something that is earned.

  Much like the confidence that has been lost in rumors and rhetoric from our global central planners.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:51 | 1026416 Racer
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Now it wouldn't be that there is a lot of OIL involved, people don't matter but oil does

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:52 | 1026420 ebworthen
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Wait, let's send the U.N. guys in their blue helmets and color scheme which says to everyone on the world "We have rubber bullets and wouldn't shoot a rapist in broad daylight."

What next, leaflet drops that say "We care about your fluid situation" with rolls of toilet paper?


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:53 | 1026422 robobbob
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legal justification? anyone?

how about at least a closed ended plan with definable goals? how about at least Italy and Germany picking up the tab?

this empire garbage is turning into such a farce. hopey changey hahaha

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:36 | 1026831 depression
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The Legal Justification is that we cannot afford $4 a gallon gasoline, and it will be a lot easier to get re-elected in 2012 if gasoline is $2.25 a gallon than $5.50.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:54 | 1026430 gwar5
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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:55 | 1026431 gwar5
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They're just talking right now to scare Muammar out of his spider hole and to go away.

If they do anything it's to protect the oil facilities. Europe is precarious and too dependent on Libyan oil.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:58 | 1026447 SheepDog-One
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Then let Europe worry about it.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:34 | 1026591 AnAnonymous
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Qaddafi is fighting Al Qaeda or/and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 16:58 | 1027345 SheepDog-One
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Al Qaeda, youre refering to the training group the CIA set up in the 80's?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:56 | 1026439 rubearish10
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How audacious a remark Mr Gates!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:59 | 1026451 Robslob
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Nobel Peace Prize Bitches!

Sorry, couldn't help myself...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:02 | 1026460 Atomizer
Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:03 | 1026466 Aductor
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Not that I believe this Administration is any different than its predecessor, so it would almost certainly disregard formalities such as interational law. In case anyone cares anymore, NATO intervention would require a decision by the UN Security Council in order to be legal. Good luck persuading Russia.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:03 | 1026472 SheepDog-One
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Russia has already said 'Hell to the NO'.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:02 | 1026467 Abitdodgie
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Well the more UN troops that libya kills saves the USA having to kill them when they come here

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