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Obama Scrambling To Replace One Crony Egyptian Government With Another

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Just out from the NYT:

The Obama administration is discussing with Egyptian officials a
proposal for President Hosni Mubarak to resign immediately, turning over
power to a transitional government headed by Vice President Omar
Suleiman with the support of the Egyptian military, administration
officials and Arab diplomats said Thursday.

In other words, the formerly biggest spook of the Middle East, and quite possibly a former CIA asset, is about to become president, under the auspices of a US-endorsed "democratic" transition, which does nothing but replace one crony regime with another.

The proposal also calls for the transitional government to invite
members from a broad range of opposition groups, including the banned Muslim Brotherhood,
to begin work to open up the country’s electoral system in an effort to
bring about free and fair elections in September, the officials said.

It is disturbing that the US administration does not comprehend that the Egyptian people (not to single out the MB) are sufficiently intelligent to see just how superficial this proposed "regime change" is. The only thing remaining is for George Soros to be propounding the benefits of "Open Society" on the streets of Cairo within weeks.


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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:26 | 933279 william the bastard
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Why can't MuBarak Hussien Obama be nominated. Sounds about right.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:50 | 933365 william the bastard
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss? Not

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:55 | 933388 Michael
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The Israeli Zionists responsible for the murder of US servicemen has never been punished for their actions.

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest of the Egyptian city of Arish.

See the true story here;

Dead In The Water - The Sinking of the USS Liberty


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:12 | 933443 william the bastard
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The Palestinian Islamic Army, which has links to al Qaeda, carried out the New Year's Day attack on a Christian church in Alexandria, Egypt, that left almost two dozen people dead, Interior Minister Habib al-Adly said Sunday.

January 23, 2011|By the CNN Wire Staff

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:26 | 933486 Michael
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Could have been CIA/Mossad involvement. They do that kind of thing all the time to provoke resentment. Don't be afraid of "The Base"

In Arabic, al-Qaeda has four syllables. However, the closest naturalized English pronunciations include /æl-ka-d/, /æl-ke-d/ Al-Qaeda's name can also be transliterated as al-Qaida, al-Qa'ida, el-Qaida, or al-Qaeda.

The name comes from the Arabic noun q'idah, which means foundation or basis, and can also refer to a military base. The initial al- is the Arabic definite article the, hence the base.

Bin Laden explained the origin of the term in a videotaped interview with Al Jazeera journalist Tayseer Alouni in October 2001:

The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:32 | 933509 william the bastard
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24 Christians were murdered in a church. I don't think it's a false flag operation if that's what your linguistic derivation is proposing. The criminals are identified clearly.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:38 | 933520 Michael
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I've seen hundreds of  American teen agers die from texting in car crashes. What is your point?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:52 | 933562 ThePhysicist
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I think he meant to say you're an idiot for turning the obvious into an absurd conspiracy.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:01 | 933588 william the bastard
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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:08 | 933609 Michael
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Yeah, I got that. But keeping things in perspective can save us trillions on nonsensical war expenditures.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:05 | 933599 jeff montanye
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i believe his point is that the bad guys that he doesn't like somehow change the meaning of the bad guys you don't like.  it is known as false equivalence since anything, truly or not, associated with fighting palestinians or, lord knows, al qaeda is not quite in the same ballpark vis a vis the u.s. govt as an entity a vet of which just resigned as chief of staff to the president and which gets supermajorities of support from both houses of congress anytime it wants. oh and all the latest killing stuff and more money than any other country.  repeat:  it's called false equivalence.  

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:10 | 933616 william the bastard
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;)  ;)

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:19 | 933635 Michael
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Also: Cognitive Dissonance

Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling(a state of mental conflict) caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions. Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:52 | 933837 dark pools of soros
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unless you have multiple personalities that agree to disagree....

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:14 | 933868 High Plains Drifter
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Sometimes they can hear it and see it and sometimes they can't. Goes with the territory and its a sign of the times we live in , a time when men call evil good and good evil.  Yes one day, perhaps,  they will see, when they are on their way to a extermination camp somewhere in this country, camps that have already been created and are waiting for those who dare to think outside the box, those whose minds are not right, those who see things as they are and say what is on their minds without fear of retribution. I have long feared that what we are seeing in Egypt now , is a  false  event being orchestrated by outside forces, forces unseen. How unfortunate for those who have died there  wanting something better for their children.  Now that they have suspended all live feeds from Egypt, I fear for those  people there. I fear for their  safety.  Let us see it for what it is and know that one day here, perhaps, similar things will be done to us.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:50 | 933915 Alienated Serf
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what is happening in egypt is the end of the orchestration, not the beginning.  we are losing our grip.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 02:17 | 933946 High Plains Drifter
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I don't know. They turned off live feeds in Egypt. Now according to CNN, they are trucking in the goons now and I figure they are going to attack the people in the square where they have held out now for over a week. Nobody in the world will do a damn thing about it either, that is what pisses me off. We talk about wanting democracy but that is not what we want. That is not what this country's government has ever wanted, much more so for the muslims, much less so for us. As I have said before, the beast will not go quietyly into the night. The pearl of great price, another words whatever it is , the Egyptian people really and truely want, must be taken by force and much blood will be required. As it is there, it is here or anywhere in the world for that matter. People think they can deal with the beast and sit down and negotiate with the beast, but you cannot do that with it for it is not designed like that. It does not care for any of us and it only knows power and greed and total domination. When one goes against the beast, one must be prepared to go all the way, of if anyone is not prepared to do this, then one should not even show up, that , that is what it is all about, metaphorically speaking of course.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 03:17 | 933996 Michael
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The Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 08:55 | 934189 velobabe
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also remember, pussy withdrawal†

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 07:59 | 934116 Bringin It
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HPD - "Distant Mirror" is a book about the 14th century and the premise is that those times mirror these times.  In the book, every time there is a revolt, say the weavers guild in Ghent has revolted over high taxes or whatever and taken over the city.  The feudal lord shows up with his army and they erect a tent.  They then tell the rebels that they hear their valid concerns and want to parley.  The rebel leader/leaders come out and are quickly dispatched.  The rebel army freaks out and collapses.

This is an English example.

So you're right.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 05:50 | 934041 Mentaliusanything
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High plains drifter - in a nut shell you have contained all the facts. Now the dark side takes back what it fears losing. Predicted noted typed and printed. Not here (trolls) but now they sit up and say --- SHIT What have we allowed.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:37 | 933516 tmosley
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The CIA has links to al Qaeda too.  They CREATED them!

Look at every strongman and dictator on the planet and you will find the CIA was either responsible for putting him into power, or was responsible for putting the prior dictatorial regime into power, and the current regime rebelled and set up shop.

But hey, Israel first, amirite?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:08 | 933595 william the bastard
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"Look at every strongman and dictator on the planet and you will find the CIA was either responsible for putting him into power"


Complete crap!!! Every single one, eh? ~ Oh, forgot!  You're an expert on every subject. 126 weeks on Jeopardy.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:10 | 933615 jeff montanye
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hey!  you left out his second part about the immediately prior regime.  final answer?  close enough to slide on poetic license.  

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:13 | 933625 william the bastard
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You stole his comeback ;(

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:45 | 933824 pods
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We also had a big hand in creating the Muslim Brotherhood.  Pretty much every terror organization on the globe has our fingerprints on it.


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 06:25 | 934050 bigkahuna
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Western Goals, Bellmont Brotherhood, JBS, CFR are entertwined also.


I consider the CFR a "soft-kill" terror enabler.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:53 | 933840 chindit13
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You need some time outside the lab out in the real world.  I suggest Waziristan.  Take time to sit in a teashop and discuss your theories with the shebabs.  Make sure you get traveler's insurance before you go.  And don't bother taking photos;  we'll see it all on the internet later.

Ullah ya teek il 'a feeyah!

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:20 | 933880 High Plains Drifter
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You have 6 junks already ?   And to think. How disgusting it is to see our officials calling for peace in Egypt when our armies are all the while killing innocent people in wars that we should not be in. The irony of it all is rich and the hypocrisy is so noticeable.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:47 | 933913 Michael
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You can actually see all the creepy crawlers on the web trying to shut people up on the subjects they don't approve of.

I really like that junk button. It really gives you a good idea how many there are here at ZH.

May of the junkers are just people brainwashed by the MSM to junk you every time  they see words like Israel, Zionist, conspiracy, etc.

I thought this Egyptian revolution was supposed free people from being shut up. 

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:57 | 933928 High Plains Drifter
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Mike, its a dirty job but someone has to do it. Perhaps you are young man. I am old. My day has come and gone, and now it is your day. You know what you have to do. Its not going to get any easier. This I know.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 02:49 | 933975 Michael
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I'm almost 50 and have been around the block a few times. I have managed to always have an open mind and never shirk from controversy. I never try to shut people up no mater what words come out of their mouths. I have been told; a thick skin this one has. I can understand why some people get brain farts when they hear certain words. They have been trained that way.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 03:04 | 933984 High Plains Drifter
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I stand corrected sir. My bad.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 02:25 | 933958 chindit13
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I believe all sides to any argument on this site resort to the same tactics you attempt to ascribe only to those who see the world differently from you.  Internet bloggers can brainwash just as effectively as the MSM.  Unless you have absolute first hand knowledge and experience regarding your point of view, you are merely taking sides with those who share with you what is known as "an opinion".

Reasonable people admit their limitations.  Unreasonable people are not aware of their limitations.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 03:44 | 934000 Michael
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The blogosphere can also crowd source a particular subject at lightning speed, ruthlessly sifting fact from fiction.

You have to take the good with the bad. Sometimes you get embarrassed by your own misconceptions.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 08:03 | 934122 Bringin It
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They are not equals.  I'm happy the MSM has a counter weight.  It's good for the world.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 19:33 | 936413 Ahmeexnal
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It is neither Egyptian, nor a revolution.

But we get the point. You are a JP Morgan/Rockefeller/Ratzinger lackey.


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 09:27 | 934257 Treeplanter
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Saudi Arabia funded Al Queda in Afghanistan, they were soul mates in those days.  We sent our aid through the Jihad loving Pakistani army intelligence people who wouldn't fund non fanatics.  The CIA did some covert aid runs to those people, some of whom were very effective against the Soviets while the Al Queda focussed on creating the myth of their importance. You have bought into a false assumption that morphed into a popular conspiracy kept alive by the gullible ignorant.  Stop being played for a fool.   

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:12 | 933620 Bringin It
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Bastard - find a better source.  No one believes CNN.

BTW - The Egyptian security apparatus has already tortured to death at least one local Egyptian Wahhabi-ist accused of this crime.

This is what the LA Times says

"The violence lately has taken an ominous turn. In November, the militant group Al Qaeda in Iraq announced that Coptic churches in Egypt would be targeted until two priests' wives who were allegedly locked up in Coptic monasteries after converting to Islam are freed. Al Qaeda militants in Iraq have also referred to the women in justifying attacks on once-vibrant Christian communities in Baghdad and around Mosul."


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:20 | 933634 william the bastard
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Nightmarish. Nonetheless the story is evolving whether your news source is a Hobson's choice between CNN or LATimes.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:25 | 933884 High Plains Drifter
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that church bombing in egypt was a mossad operation from top to bottom. they do the same thing all over the middle east. now then, perhaps you can tell me why they would do this? think about it. why would any muslim do this? what for? it makes no sense. what good would it do for muslims?

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 03:38 | 933980 Michael
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The Egyptian revolution, as with the Tea Party movement,  and the Arizona shooter not being led by anybody, absolutely makes them crazy when they can't pin it on more than one individual or group. The people are learning how to get their point across without a leader. People are learning how to be their own leader and not a follower. 

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 08:06 | 934124 Bringin It
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Astute point.  Collective consciousness.

The people are learning how to get their point across without a leader.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 09:32 | 934275 Treeplanter
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See Sandmonkey's last blog before he was nabbed by Mubarak's Gestapo.  It's at Powerline.  He may have been released because the thugs discovered he had an international following. 

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 03:37 | 934004 Michael
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William, I suppose you want me to come over there and wash your dick for you too, you little shit.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:27 | 933657 downwiththebanks
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Well if Egypt's Interior Ministry said it, it MUST be true, right?

Way to stand on the right side, William the Bastard. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:48 | 933547 ebworthen
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Nice way to dupe the U.S. into nuking the Arabs.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:27 | 933888 High Plains Drifter
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they came within a eyelash of dropping nukes on cairo, i kid you not , over that liberty ship thing.  look up on google, operation cyanide. 


of course russian subs were parked off of the coast of israhole at the time, and if this had happened, they were under orders to turn the land of israhole into a high temperature environment and they would have too.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:12 | 933622 Popo
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Wow. Michael hijacked the thread with inane Anti-Israeli propaganda in only the second comment. Way to go Michael, you're bringing the standards of ZH crashing down faster and faster every day.

Whichever organization you work for must really not want us discussing Egyptian democracy. It's an old Middle Eastern trick: want to stop any productive discussion about Arab policy? Ready, set: Zionists!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:26 | 933655 serotonindumptruck
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Yeah, there's some masterful attempts at distraction going on in this here thread.

What's it take to attract the trolls' attention around here, anyway?

Lemme guess?

Criticize the apartheid state of israel?

Bring it, zionist bitches. :middlefinger

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:35 | 933674 Michael
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Please study your history before spouting off. You can't know where you are going unless you know where you have been.

US foreign policy is completely captured by Israel. If you do not believe that, you are very naive.

Zionism (Hebrew: , Tsiyonut) is primarily a nationalist or national liberation Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland. Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security. In a less common usage, the term may also refer to 1) non-political, Cultural Zionism, founded and represented most prominently by Ahad Ha'am; and 2) political support for the State of Israel by non-Jews, as in Christian Zionism.

After almost two millennia of existence of the Jewish diaspora without its national state, the Zionist movement was founded in the late 19th century by secular Jews, largely as a response by Ashkenazi Jews to rising antisemitism in Europe, exemplified by the Dreyfus Affair in France and the Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire. The political movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book Der Judenstaat. At that time, the movement sought to encourage Jewish migration to the Ottoman Palestine.

Although initially one of several Jewish political movements offering alternative responses to assimilation and antisemitism, Zionism grew rapidly and became the dominant force in Jewish politics with the destruction of Jewish life in Central and Eastern Europe where these alternative movements were rooted.

The movement was eventually successful in establishing Israel on 14 May 1948 (5 Iyyar 5708 in the Hebrew calendar), as the homeland for the Jewish people. The proportion of the world's Jews living in Israel has also steadily grown since the movement came into existence. Today roughly 40% of the world's Jews live in Israel. These two outcomes represent the historical success of Zionism, unmatched by any other Jewish political movement in the past 2,000 years.

Here is your assignment;

Learn about the history of the middle east. This is a pretty good documentary series.

The Power of Nightmares, (Part 1/3), "Baby it's Cold Outside"

The Power of Nightmares Part 2: The Phantom Victory -- by Adam Curtis

The Power of Nightmares Part 3: The Shadows in the Cave

Check out a youtube video I made.

The Precautionary Principle Who Benefits?


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 19:40 | 936431 Ahmeexnal
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You need to learn about the history of the middle east. Not just the past hundred years.

As I stated before, we are witnessing the death of a "god". One that was created by the church of Rome in order to crush the church of Constantinople.

The truth shall set all those under SUBMISSION free.

No longer shall they have to vow again. Never again. Not to any corrupt dictators. Not to the genocidal colonialist european rulers.



Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:52 | 933835 pods
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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:07 | 933427 Id fight Gandhi
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They can have him.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:34 | 933512 VodkaInKrakow
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That was the deal under Clinton in 1995, allegedly with regards to the rendition. And but into great effect by George 'Dubai Bandar' Bush. Obama is just another tool following orders. Besides, someone most likely dusted off some old CIA contingency plans in case of an event like this and stupidly put it into practice. They need to to to plan 'C', or 'ZZZ'.

The more things change (Obama), the more they seem the same (GW Bush).

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:12 | 933619 jeff montanye
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truer words.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:08 | 933606 sabra1
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because he does not have a birth certificate!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:27 | 933281 Azwethinkweiz
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Michael Savage explains this PERFECTLY:

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:12 | 933442 Michael
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I don't doubt those progressive socialists had a hand in nudging the North African revolution, but it was going to happen anyway and is backfiring on them.

The libtards are so pissed off they didn't get their eco-fascist global carbon tax NWO, and their movement is going down in flames.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:44 | 933540 VodkaInKrakow
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If you actually believe that your NWO is a liberal or conservative agenda... well, the libtard nom de geurre (or is it 'conservi-tard'?) suits you well. It is neither.

See, there is this thing called 'divide and rule' - Divide et Impera. One of the Golden Rules of lording over your peasants. Keep them divided, such as in propagandizing the idiot poor into believing that they belong to one of two groups (liberal or conservative) on the land their lord owns. And then continue the propaganda to make them believe that each group is trying to destroy the other. The idiot peasants fight each other, the lord rules over the fun - sipping on his Gin & Juice and laughing merrily to his banker.

See how easy it is to rule? Such a simple concept. And the idiot peasants fall for it. Well, enough of them do that makes their Master happy.

Oh, and are you a liberal conservative or Far-Right conservative? Liberal libertarian or more conservative libertarian? Far-Left liberal or conservative liberal? See. Easy.

"I'm off to Vietnam after the monsoon season to set up a bar on the beach. Pick up some girls in Vladivostock. Provide some security and only let in the gentleman. Think I'll do that for three months while a buddy of mine sends up the right clientele from Singapore. And, if someone harrasses the girls, well, we got ways of dealing with them." -Anonymous

"Sounds like a plan." -The guy the beat Anonymous to it.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:35 | 933682 pods
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I would say that you are 99% correct.  The part you missed was that you assumed the lord was above or equal to the banker.

The banker is atop the pyramid, has been for some time.


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:00 | 933727 Michael
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I agree with you. I was referring to the Savage's interpretation and the side he was speaking about precipitating the revolution for their sides benefit. I am not ignoring the neo-cons and their plans to capture the NWO for themselves either. Each side wants to make the NWO into their own image and likeness. Neither side will win and there won't be a NWO. Period.


Two heads on the same snake.

The libtards eco-fascist global carbon tax NWO.

The Neo-pugs fear based corporatocracy NWO.

I chose neither.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:53 | 933920 High Plains Drifter
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That is a big mistake deriving your ideas from Michael Weiner. Once I was lost but now I am found. I was blind but now I see. I was a neocon but then I woke up and the blinders fell off of my eyes and I saw the world as it is, and my mind started thinking for itself and seeing how the world really works and who is in control of it.  One day sooner than later perhaps, you too can walk over the bridge across the Rubicon. A warning to you however. Once you do, your life will never be the same and your friends will disown you, even your own family. The price is high for the pursuit of truth. So many are blind now and cannot see and deaf and cannot hear. Our radio airwaves are full of never ending bullshit from dawn to dawn , 24 hours a day, nothing of importance is ever talked about and nothing of importance will ever be talked about, because that is the way it is. We are under deep capture now and the days of liberty are slowly going away. I say to you sir, leave this man and turn him off for there is no truth there and never was and never will be. This coming to you from a former listener, but someone who woke up one day several years ago and realized everything I thought I knew was one big lie.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 08:15 | 934132 Bringin It
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Nice HPD.  Ignore corporate media.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:48 | 934643 pods
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Absolutely correct HPD.  Almost every night on the way home from work I surf the airwaves till I find something palatable.  Most nights I drive home with the radio off.  When the Egypt revolt erupted I could not wait to hear Hannity spout off about the Muslim Brotherhood.  As if on cue, there he was.  

Nothing is as it seems.  And everyone plays their part.  They are all parts of one gigantic beast.  You cannot see what it really is until you step way back and question everything.

It really is a Matrix.  And it is all about control.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:29 | 933288 themosmitsos
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Tyler, NOTHING could be further from the truth

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:31 | 933291 HarryWanger
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It is disturbing that the US administration does not comprehend that the Egyptian people are sufficiently intelligent to see just how superficial this proposed "regime change" is.

Want to bet on that? When/if this goes through, the chaos will stop until "election" time in September. It's happened everywhere else the US has put someone in "power", it'll work here. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:36 | 933324 alien-IQ
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Just because you are stupid enough to believe that the Egyptian people will gladly accept one puppet dictator to replace another puppet dictator does not mean that the Egyptian people are as stupid as you...they are after all Egyptian not American.

You fucking fascist.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:41 | 933334 Spalding_Smailes
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Well they can have whoever they want then. But they WILL NOT keep the pimp military we sold them, never. They can buy new shit without our $1.3 billion per year in aid ....


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:46 | 933348 alien-IQ
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so you are in favor of long as they elect the puppet you give them?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:59 | 933403 Spalding_Smailes
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I'm in favor of democracy sure ... But you think if some wacko gets into office he should use the military we provided ... thats not going to fly.



Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:16 | 933455 alien-IQ
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so what? you want a refund? good luck.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:28 | 933494 Spalding_Smailes
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No refund. We just want our weapons back. 

The brotherhood can fund the military buildup afterward .....




Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:16 | 933873 SilverRhino
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Do you have any idea how maintenance intesive Egypt's advanced weaponry is? 6 months after Egypt "chooses" someone America doesn't like those force-multipliers will be little better than junk. For an example check out Iran's F14 force.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:45 | 933543 Michael
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I'm in favor of a Constitutional Republic.  Democracies are constructs of dictators.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:37 | 933688 pods
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Democracies are the constructs of bankers.  Most, if not all modern governments are.


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:06 | 933743 Michael
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It is easier to divide and conker a democracy. Republics are much more difficult.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 06:27 | 934051 Shylockracy
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"'Democracy' is the political weapon of financial capital" - Oswald Spengler

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 08:16 | 934133 Bringin It
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Thanks for the quote.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:50 | 934652 pods
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I agree, it took them over a hundred years to get ours.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:48 | 933710 downwiththebanks
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Indeed; Uncle Sam would never support a wacko.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:46 | 933356 Thorny Xi
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SOLD them?  Hello?  that $1.3b per year in handouts  from the Treasury to the US military contractor lobby was given to Mubarak. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:59 | 933585 Cistercian
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 Hey spalding.I have some news I think you will enjoy.The M1 Abrams tank is being built in Egypt under license.Egypt did not just buy weapons...they built weapon production infrastructure.They wanted a domestic source.

  And they have it.Much of their "pimp military" was built by Egyptians.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:46 | 933545 VodkaInKrakow
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Time will tell. After all, the American people have accepted it for a few years now. And, so have the Europeans. Look at Ireland - The first IMF ruled country in The EU. Everyone knows what The IMF is good at - robbing entire countries blind. Nothing like a Rule-of-Law enforced round of debt-slavery. /crackswhip

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:18 | 933632 Bringin It
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Alien - I agree with you.  Take heart that this is just how things played out in Tunisia and the people would not accept the bait and switch.  Be weary that Tunisia is not settled yet.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:50 | 933367 NOTW777
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 remember there were plenty of americans who enthusiastically voted for obama

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:32 | 933506 Kayman
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What !!! Ya don't believe in HOPE UND CHANGE !!!

Once Hank slipped Barry the brown bag in the fall of 08, HOPE UND CHANGE morphed into Dope and Mange.

Same old shit, the New York Cabal dictating policy for the United States on behalf of the little piece of dirt in the Mediterranean.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:23 | 933647 Bringin It
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Kayman - Thanks for the truth.  The problem with ZH is that too many people on the right side of the argument want to dance around the truth ... due to pervasive social conditioning.

For example, what's the real name of the History Channel?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:38 | 933690 pods
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The cabal is centered in the City of London.  That is the heart of the beast.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:56 | 933391 Sad Sufi
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Harry, when you show up, you always have a refreshingly mondane and shallowly positive voice.  Always brings a smile to my face, when I don't seethe silently, far away ;)

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:21 | 933465 Kitler
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Fortunately or unfortunately Harry is correct.

Egypt does not even produce enough food domestically for it's 80MM citizens and so is reliant upon imports for survival. It is unlikely to find credit should the government fall. Israel/America can 'unofficially' boycott shipments and squeeze concessions at will.

Their will may be strong, but their hand is weak. They believe in a military that will certainly betray them when push comes to shove. Time is their enemy now... they must act decisively or a compromise will be struck and the regime will carry on.

They are up against our best. They will probably loose.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:47 | 933549 VodkaInKrakow
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Hmmm... what about all those hedges by Global Finance in commodities? They don't have to sell to Egypt now do they? We don't call them Government Sachs for nothin'.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:27 | 933653 Bringin It
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Yes, but ... They own the canal and the longer this goes on, the more pressure their peers in the region will feel to revolt in solidarity.  That's how it has moved from the first spark in Tunisia.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:54 | 933564 Astute Investor
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Maybe the Egyptian people can be pacified with an unlimited amount of small, discretionary, home-decor items...

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:01 | 933587 jmw_hobbes
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throw in a couple of gift cards to sweeten the deal and you may actually be on to something....


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:21 | 933774 williambanzai7
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I magine what this could mean for the Grope-on IPO

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:17 | 933771 Nepenthe
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I'm growing tired of Smailes posting immediately after Wanger.....

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:30 | 933293 serotonindumptruck
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American special operations (SEAL) must be in country and they have Omar Suleiman secured in a safe embassy location. It seems unlikely that the VP would be close to Mubarak right now.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:30 | 933294 lizzy36
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The US can trade Joe Biden to Egypt for future considerations.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:51 | 933374 NOTW777
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LOL. good idea. throw in holder too

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:54 | 933387 Clark_Griswold ...
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What a great negotiation tactic;


"look you assholes, accept this asshole, or I'm gona send you my asshole!"


That would stop me in my tracks and think long and hard!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:56 | 933394 NOTW777
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i'm sure we could also work on the Egypt CDS presumedly owned by GS

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:50 | 933554 VodkaInKrakow
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Hell, we got Clinton, George I, George II, Robert Rubin, and quite a few others. How much do you think we can get for the whole lot? Oh, Geithner, Feith, Wolfowitz - now there be some names that would not be too popular in Egypt right about now. Rummy? A few heads of some Global Finance outfits? Hell, the entire 'Marie Antoinette' party at Davos would be a good place to start.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:16 | 933629 sabra1
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as long as i have my mummy. mummy! mummy! is dinner ready?

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:50 | 933831 I Am The Unknow...
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lizzy36 I'm not sure we could give them enough to take Joe....they would be holding that over our heads for a long, long time... 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:32 | 933302 alien-IQ
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Hubris? Arrogance? Ignorance?...give it a name.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:36 | 933319 Jim in MN
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The main demand is for Hosni to hit the highway.  It might work.  Goodwill on the part of the army is key, and the security apparatus the main obstacle.  Maybe a few billion extra of freshly printed FRNs to the goons to shut up and go drink tea for a few years would do it.

The cheapest bailout we'll ever see.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:40 | 933333 alien-IQ
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It will be seen as America appointing another puppet dictator. No. This shit WILL NOT fly.

They, the Egyptian people, must chose who will lead their country. Nothing less is acceptable. And this advance by Obama is both offensive and desperate.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:46 | 933355 Jim in MN
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So they keep backing up until a nice looking colonel appears to take over in a romantic fashion.  And then they have elections.  What else can they do?  Form a provisional council right there on the plaza and run the place with their cell phones?  Shhh...don't answer that....

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:10 | 933436 Id fight Gandhi
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Just let Israel pick out a leader. That's what its all about anyway.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:31 | 933497 Kitler
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They did.

His name was Gamal Mubarak, a BOA (Bank of America) investment banker and the son of Hosni. Apparently Egyptians violently dissapprove of investment bankers.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:58 | 933576 Michael
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I saw on the news the Mubarak family is worth between 40 and 70 billion dollars.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:30 | 933664 Bringin It
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This shit WILL NOT fly.

Well they're gonna try awfully hard to make this shit fly given the stakes for the Northern "neighbor"

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:01 | 933410 Sad Sufi
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My thought exactly.  It might just work.  Not because the people of Egypt are fools, but because it is the perfect "wedge position." It seems "reasonable" and gives the protesters what they "want."  It cuts into support in the US, abroad, and probably some in Egypt.  Shows some sicko brilliance on Hillary's part.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:18 | 933741 slewie the pi-rat
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nice post, slightly downcast mevlevi.

if barry0bummer can't sell them Hope & Change they can believe in, no one can!

except for the last sentence. hillary clinton? doubtful, IMO. not alone, but w/  hillary kissinger, i would say, probably along with hillary brzezinski, gates, nsa lt. gen. alexander, prez0 and peter sellers representing the Joint Chiefs, of course.

and since this meeting probably took place 9 stories underground, in cheney's permanent residence, he most likely mixed the martinis. stirred, not shaken.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:36 | 933320 dick cheneys ghost
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standard operating procedure. right out of the foreign policy handbook.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:37 | 933322 Spalding_Smailes
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You could see this from a mile away. No way we let " some guy " take over a military that we helped build up over the years.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:47 | 933360 william the bastard
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Who's going to stop them? Obama? Brawhahahahahaw

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:58 | 933401 buzzsaw99
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Egypt's military is a joke. The only thing it's good for is shooting unarmed civilians. Israel took six days to kick their ass last time, they could probably do it in six hours now.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:40 | 933525 Kayman
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A little help from the CIA didn't hurt. Shutting down the Egyptian communications did help a little bit.

Israel can do a lot of damage short term but they sure as hell are not going to conquer 80 million Egyptians.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:59 | 933584 ThePhysicist
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The Iranian mullahs and the German Nazis would disagree with you. A very small group of ruthless leaders can subjugate a very large population.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:30 | 933668 downwiththebanks
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And just look at what a few thousand White Zionists from Europe can do when armed to the hilt.  They've manage to oppress and suppress the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine for more than 6 decades.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:21 | 933643 sabra1
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when they all weaken from starvation, it'll be a cinch!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:54 | 933716 downwiththebanks
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The 'last time', 1973, Apartheid Israel ran away screaming and crying to Uncle Sam, who of course obliged with an unlimited supply of welfare checks.

That said, 'last time' and 'this time' are two different things.

Apartheid Israel's army of high-flying nursing home bombers won't be so tough when their air force is grounded.  And what else do they have, really?  They're an army without soldiers.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:26 | 933786 buzzsaw99
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And what else do they have, really?

you can't be serious?

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:39 | 933813 downwiththebanks
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Hamas was able to hold them off in Gaza.  Hizbullah pummeled them in 2006.  

Sure, they can bomb mosques and prevent wheelchairs from getting into occupied Palestine.  They can kill grandmothers and newborns by the thousand.

But they can't win a war in the Middle East right now.  No way.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 08:30 | 934150 Bringin It
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I think BuzzSaw's refering to the nuclear option.  Thing is, the nuclear option isn't too useful when your opposite number is inside the wire, is it?

I think the nuclear option raises the imperative of getting inside the wire.  Given this and what went on in Lebanon, the last time, you'd think the Israelis would get serious about peace.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:43 | 933821 serotonindumptruck
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They have at least 250 non-conventional alternatives.

Most of the warheads probably yield somewhere between the 10 and 20 kiloton range. 

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 09:44 | 934351 Treeplanter
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For an Arab army, they were good enough to put the scare in Israel.  Their capture of the Canal was a brilliant move, unforeseen by the Israelis.  They put up a good enough fight for them to pretend to be victorious.  That salvaged their pride and allowed Sadat to cut his sweet deal with Israel and Carter.  A lot of them got training in the US and they love love love their American equipment and want to keep it coming.  They have been cultivating their popularity with the people, letting the nasty police play the bad guy.  Who knows what cynical twists and turns, wheels within wheels are going on?  They are Arabs in the Land of the Pharoahs (and Greeks).  Byzantine manipulations, anyone?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:51 | 933364 tony bonn
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this change of underwear is like replacing the cow turd in the punch bowl with a goat turd and getting on msnbs shouting like a cramer maniac "drink the punch!!!!!! drink it now!!! the cow turds are gone!!!!"

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:51 | 933368 dwdollar
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In other words, the formerly biggest spook of the Middle East, and quite possibly a former CIA asset, is about to become president, under the auspices of a US-endorsed "democratic" transition, which does nothing but replace one crony regime with another.

Former???  Ha!  That's a hoot.  Once a CIA asset, always a CIA asset.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:58 | 933397 serotonindumptruck
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And if this is being talked about on ZH at this point, then it is either a not-so-clever piece of propaganda, or a total mission failure.


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 09:40 | 934321 snowball777
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The only ex-CIA assets are the dead ones. Kermie Roosevelt would be sooo proud.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 09:45 | 934358 Treeplanter
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More often than not, it's the CIA who gets played.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:52 | 933376 buzzsaw99
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The Mossad will pick Egypt's next dictator.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:42 | 933537 Kayman
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Israels silence is indeed deafening.  But you can be certain well place phone calls are taking place.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:26 | 933791 buzzsaw99
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They are interviewing candidates. lulz

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:30 | 933797 serotonindumptruck
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Yes, and you can also be sure that Israeli Dolphin class submarines are fully armed and tasked with appropriate target coordinates.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:52 | 933377 Aristarchan
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This is just the next step in a geopolitical strategy for everyone involved to maintain the status Que in the rest of the region, while taking the next step down the road for the inevitable changes that will be taking place in Egypt. The US military says: "we have no plan to stop weapon shipments to Egypt," while the people who hold the purse-strings (Congress) is threatening the very same. They are trying to maintain the military relationship - which is of ultimate importance if a radical group slides to the front for leadership (unlikely, at least for now). And, Obama cannot take the political hit of a massacre on Friday after his waffling for the last two weeks. Suleiman is just a divot in a golf course along the way for the US to try to stop the bad publicity of not backing anything other than "stable transition", while doing the same, and pleasing the Egyptian people, and the other despots in the region. It is called having your cake and eating it too.

I think the US has resigned itself to the reality that a new, unknown governmental structure in the making  is going to be in place in Egypt by this weekend, and they want to have some influence in that. Mubarak is dead, so is Suleiman....just tiny steps on the road forward.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:56 | 933724 downwiththebanks
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This is obviously outside Uncle Sam's control at this point, and this is an effort to just grab on for dear life.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:06 | 933744 Aristarchan
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The most control Uncle Sam has is over the Egyptian matter what happens in Egypt, the military will remain as a fourth estate of sorts. Not only can we cut their funding, we can cut the spares and maintenance of high-tech weapons, and deprive them of intelligence, training, bombs and other expendables, If the US solves this problem, it will be through the Egyptian military.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:41 | 933816 downwiththebanks
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That money doesn't go to the soldiers on the ground.  If they don't fire when ordered to do so, all the toys in the world don't really matter.

No amount of bribery from France and England could make the Russian army turn against the Revolution once they took a stand.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:18 | 933876 Aristarchan
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You are correct, and are solidifying my point. The boots-on-the-ground are already mostly sympathetic with the protesters. If the US gov forces the generals into this same frame of mind, then voila.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:54 | 933384 gigeze787
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For other examples of failed interim governments intended to placate revolutionaries, see:

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:02 | 933415 halvord
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All we need is a book "What Color Is Your Revolution?".

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:56 | 933726 downwiththebanks
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Red, baby.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:04 | 933420 Kina
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Omar Suleiman participated in the torture of an Australian 'rendered' to Egypt and killed another 'prisoner' in front of him. Habib makes this claim in his writings, before this current protest in Egypt happened.


Habib has received a pay out from the Australian government in compensation for rendering him to Egypt and he still has a case against proceeding.






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