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Obama Special Envoy To Cairo Calling For Mubarak To Stay, Uncovered To Be On Mubarak Payroll

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It is a Monday, and like any day ending in "y" we get another Obama administration foreign relations screw up. Today's edition comes from President Obama's special envoy to Cairo, Frank Wisner, who over the weekend made waves with his call urging for Hosni Mubarak to remain president. The glitch, however, is that supposedly unbeknownst to the administration and to the journalist cadre, Mr. Wisner works for litigation firm Patton Boggs, which according to the Independent: "openly boasts that it advises "the Egyptian military, the Egyptian Economic Development Agency, and has handled arbitrations and litigation on the [Mubarak] government's behalf in Europe and the US". Wisner's words, now making the rounds, and which appear to have infuriated Egypt's opposition just as things were going back to normal: "President Mubarak's continued leadership is critical: it's his opportunity to write his own legacy." In other words, yet another huge conflict of interest by a man paid by none other than the president of Egypt, which has "called into question Mr Obama's judgement, as well as that of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton", and puts Obama's (in)ability to handle foreign conflicts, in an even more questionable light.

From The Independent:

Mr Wisner is a retired State Department 36-year career diplomat – he served as US ambassador to Egypt, Zambia, the Philippines and India under eight American presidents. In other words, he was not a political appointee. But it is inconceivable Hillary Clinton did not know of his employment by a company that works for the very dictator which Mr Wisner now defends in the face of a massive democratic opposition in Egypt.

So why on earth was he sent to talk to Mubarak, who is in effect a client of Mr Wisner's current employers?

Patton Boggs states that its attorneys "represent some of the leading Egyptian commercial families and their companies" and "have been involved in oil and gas and telecommunications infrastructure projects on their behalf". One of its partners served as chairman of the US-Egyptian Chamber of Commerce promoting foreign investment in the Egyptian economy. The company has also managed contractor disputes in military-sales agreements arising under the US Foreign Military Sales Act. Washington gives around $1.3bn (£800m) a year to the Egyptian military.

Mr Wisner joined Patton Boggs almost two years ago – more than enough time for both the White House and the State Department to learn of his company's intimate connections with the Mubarak regime. The New York Times ran a glowing profile of Mr Wisner in its pages two weeks ago – but mysteriously did not mention his ties to Egypt.

Nicholas Noe, an American political researcher now based in Beirut, has spent weeks investigating Mr Wisner's links to Patton Boggs. Mr Noe is also a former researcher for Hillary Clinton and questions the implications of his discoveries.

"The key problem with Wisner being sent to Cairo at the behest of Hillary," he says, "is the conflict-of-interest aspect... More than this, the idea that the US is now subcontracting or 'privatising' crisis management is another problem. Do the US lack diplomats?

"Even in past examples where presidents have sent someone 'respected' or 'close' to a foreign leader in order to lubricate an exit," Mr Noe adds, "the envoys in question were not actually paid by the leader they were supposed to squeeze out!"

Patton Boggs maintains an "affiliate relationship" with Zaki Hashem, one of Egypt's most prominent legal firms. It was founded in 1953 and Zaki Hashem himself was a cabinet minister under Mubarak's predecessor, President Anwar Sadat, and later became head of the Egyptian Society for International Law.

The Independent is understandably scratching its head over this most recent diplomatic faux pas:

We still do not know exactly what kind of "expertise" he has bestowed upon the dictator of Egypt. But his remarks at the weekend leave no room to doubt he advised the old man to cling on to power for a few more months. The vast network of companies with family connections to Mubarak's regime is, of course, one of the targets of the pro-democracy demonstrators in Egypt.

A spokesman for the State Department said he "presumed" Mrs Clinton knew of Mr Wisner's employment by Patton Boggs and the firm's links with the Mubarak government, but refused to comment on any conflict of interest for the envoy. A spokesman for Patton Boggs could not be reached yesterday.

On the other hand, if Egyptian protesters managed to forgive the "Made in America" signs on teargas canisters used against demonstrators in recent riots, they surely will find nothing wrong with this foreign relations snafu from an administration which is becoming known for nothing but.


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Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:49 | 940364 H. Perowne
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Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:56 | 940377 Hephasteus
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Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:08 | 940419 BRAVO 7
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revelations pale rider shows up in egypt

i posted in the following;

Harbinger Is A Harbinger Of Things To Come: Goodbye Phil, You Are Just The Start

  go to now ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.your riches are corrupted,you have lived in pleasure and been wanton. this day a grievous sore of poverty hath been left on the doorstep of AMERICA,thou art declared to be ICHABOD.
behold a pale horse

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:55 | 940567 duo
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I thought the four horsemen were





Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:06 | 940594 Bananamerican
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easy Bravo,

that's a camera lens flare coming off the bonfire....

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:10 | 940608 Hephasteus
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That's guys like a bike messenger. He has green yellow coloration. So he's from empathy heart charka group. Probably trying to cool group down.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 13:28 | 940820 velobabe
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my nickname use to be, ichabod crane†

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 14:36 | 941007 tmosley
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Yeah, that doesn't look like a poorly superimposed image.

This is what the real four horsemen look like :


Mon, 02/07/2011 - 14:44 | 941027 atomicwasted
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Too bad Man In Sky wasn't more clear about the future.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:06 | 940408 DaveyJones
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no wonder that made me feel good 

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:19 | 940450 docj
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Thread winner, right out of the gate.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:22 | 940463 Double down
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That goes on my e-mail signature.  Citing the source, naturally 

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:33 | 940503 tonyw
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Attributes from wikipedia

Clark's Law is an adage that reads:
“     Sufficiently advanced cluelessness is indistinguishable from malice.     ”

A variant is sometimes called Grey's Law[1]:
“     Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.     ”

It is called "Clark's Law" because: the oldest extant record of the "cluelessness" phrasing was from a 1994 Usenet post by NASA employee J. Porter Clark;[2][3] and it is structured very much like the third of Clarke's three laws, which is sometimes simply referred to as "Clarke's Law":
“     Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.     ”

Science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke proposed the third Law in the 1973 revised edition of Profiles of the Future.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:31 | 940493 Mad Max
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Heckuva job, Brownie!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 14:40 | 941017 Panafrican Funk...
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Still waiting for someone to explain to me what the placeholder of the presidential office has to do with this particular article, apart from said placeholder being a pretty great puppet/punching bag.  All this anger directed towards a completely powerless figurehead.  Are you people completely fucking retarded?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 16:07 | 941226 Cathartes Aura
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it appears to be a tough mental habit to break, this belief of "presidential power" - when all evidence to the contrary over the past decades proves otherwise. . .

but hey, keep pointing to the naked-ness of all visible rulers, and hope that people wake up incrementally, like corn popped in a pan - slowly, one at a time, then *POOF* - hundredth monkey speed!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 20:46 | 941956 Fiat Money
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re "placeholder"... True.  

 But,  GWB, Dick Cheney, Bill & Hillary, Kerry, BHO, Pelosi, (Paulson & Dimon)... they're ALL "placeholders", so what's your point?  

Indeed, the Queen of England (and her Prime Ministers) have been "placeholders" for nearly 200 years, we are fast coming up on the 200 year anniversary of Nathan purchasing the ENTIRE  East India Tea Co. gold hord (extorted out of India by EITco & the British army),   which gold/money was INDESPENSIBLE for financing the Duke of Wellington's Penninsula campaign (against Napoleon in Spain) - which was the prerequisite (along with Nathan's funding of the Prussians and other English allies) for the Brits winning the Battle of Waterloo  itself.

(Thus guaranteeing "Britannia Rules the Waves" British imperial supremacy for the next 100 years, and, with a little French &  American help in WWI,  for another 20 odd years after that.)   

The names and faces may change, but the power behind the throne(s) rolls on...

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 15:45 | 941165 sgt_doom
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Others have added much information of Frank Wisner Jr., as well as his father, one of the founding members of the top controlling tier in America, the Financial-Intelligence-Complex, at the end of WWII, which has now been fully privatized (they used to bounce back and forth between The Street and the top intel directorates, now it's pretty much seamless).

Frank Jr., along with top positions at AIG and Enron (Enron being nothing more than a colossal money laundering operation, which was why they hired Flatow), is also a director at the MI6 cutout, Hakluyt & Company, which bears an entire blog post of its own.

Also, Frank Jr., once worked for John Negroponte at the Franco-American Foundation, a strategic intel op to undermine the then-prevailing French political structure and, not coincidentally, Frank Jr., is related to President Sarkozy of France through marriage.

Frank was Bush #1's envoy to Kosovo, and would later replace Pauly Wolfowitz at the DoD after Wolfowitz went onto the World Bankster.

Frank was supposedly a career State guy, which in actuality means he has always been career-CIA.

'Nuff said on another Obama-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Reagan Administration appointee --- somehow, they always are the same guys, huh?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 16:58 | 941376 Cathartes Aura
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corporate government, propped up by increasingly privatised military-industrial-complexity.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 20:56 | 941976 Fiat Money
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well done, Sgt Doom, second the appause!

 see my above comment (reply to "panAfrican Funk")  pointing out that "intel," war, and money have been synonymous...  since WASP Anglos first started sailing to the New World, the Queen's pirates & slavers ("privateers" was the polite word - Drake, Hawkins, Raleigh, etc.) preyed on gold and silver laden ships of the Spanish Armada, meaning you had to know where they were, and how to get that booty, to get home alive (much less make enough profit to outfit your next ship and voyage).    

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 19:28 | 941766 YHC-FTSE
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"Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice"

Bravo, but I'm not quite sure I like it. Sounds too much as though it's an excuse for the malicious. Reminds me of an episode of Family Guy when Peter Griffin finds out he is "below normal", and goes around annoying the crap out of everyone saying, "Sorry, retarded!". 


PS: Nice catch by The Independent

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:50 | 940365 Ragnarok
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Hope and Change!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:00 | 940384 sushi
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Chagrin you can believe in!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:50 | 940366 99er
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Our government is corrupt because our politicians are bozos. This ship of state is going under; it's only a function of time.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:17 | 940445 Ricky Bobby
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A society can withstand corrupt leadership. A society can survive stupdid leadership. If both stupid and corrupt then society is doomed.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:21 | 940455 MachoMan
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Of course, no one wants to channel George Carlin's ghost and admit that our society has developed these corrupt idiots...  (although, we may actually have an excuse with the current president)

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:26 | 940473 aheady
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I volunteer.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:29 | 940484 DaveyJones
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whoa, a cyber seance

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 17:07 | 941410 Cathartes Aura
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as long as the sociopath's traits are emphasised and feted within a culture, and thus promoted within the hierarchy, social cohesion is doomed.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:50 | 940367 Larry Darrell
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This administration is a complete disgrace on every level.  It's not that people don't suspect and / or know this kind of thing is happening, but to let it come out into the spotlight so easily because you can't cover your tracks any better is sad.


Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:04 | 940386 dwdollar
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I doubt the Obama regime is anymore incompetent than the norm.  This sort of thing has been happening for years.  The difference is, people are awake and constantly questioning every little move on the global stage.  It's hard to hide anything with this many spotlights.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:06 | 940406 Sudden Debt
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 The difference is, people are awake and constantly questioning every little move on the global stage

You should go out more and talk to people...

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:11 | 940428 dwdollar
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Well you got me there.  The average person is still having an orgasm over the Super Bowl.  However, there's many intelligent people out there who wouldn't otherwise question the mainstream because their high income justified it all.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:19 | 940449 bonddude
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Super what ?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:34 | 940506 Mad Max
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The Super-Duper Bowl.

It was OK, but I'm looking forward to the Ultra Bowl next weekend, and the Turbo-Extreme Bowl the weekend after that.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:09 | 940604 Bananamerican
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have to confess....we,...uh, we didn't watch the superbowl.

we had dinner with some French people....and ate some cheese

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 13:56 | 940905 I Told YOU So
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in the nude I would hope

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 14:25 | 940974 Panafrican Funk...
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I think it's possible to enjoy football and still be intelligent, aware, and ethically sound.  I think Packer fans have a particularly easy go of this.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 21:25 | 942018 Fiat Money
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uhh... how do i put this politely?  the Neo-Cons who ARE the obama administration, are HIGH on the TRILLIONS of DOLLARS they have EXTORTED (via "bailouts," back-door bailouts like "Liquidity Injections," "Quantitative Easings," etc.) and plain ol' Enron-esque larceny (GS selling s***, taking out credit default swaps on stuff the KNEW was going to fail, because THEY produced it!, then going and TRIPLE-DIPPING in fraud:

  1. getting fees, commissions & swindled money on fraudulent sales of junk, s*** securities
  2.  getting "BAILED OUT" for their own self-inflicted failures & bankruptcy in Sept. 2008
  3.  getting ANOTHER "bailout" from the AIG pass-through a few months later!

In plain English, the rubinites are drunk on power, they are just balatantly robbing America (much less the rest of the world) of $40+ trillion, they OWN the entire Congress, White House, judiciary, and press/media, and they won't stop as long as those big bucks keep rolling in.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:52 | 940369 SheepDog-One
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WTF total gross incompetence and insanity! Or outright world fraud!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:16 | 940441 Cognitive Dissonance
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I think in some ways its worse. Corruption as deep and embedded as it is today doesn't see inherent conflicts of interest as "wrong" because everyone is conflicted. In a political system knee deep in 16,000 lobbyists where even the lobbyists will represent both sides at the same time, why is this particular conflict of interest especially surprising?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:26 | 940471 SheepDog-One
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Not surprising,  other than people still believe theres some kind of chance for any justice or fairness around the world!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:40 | 940519 hedgeless_horseman
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Wish for it?  Sure.

Believe it?  Only children.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:14 | 940619 bingaling
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 I am like a child . There is justice and I believe the longer it is put off the greater the punishment .

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:32 | 940670 SheepDog-One
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Well exactly, Hedgeless...just look at what the typical person out on the street says today. I do it wherever I am now, at the grocery store or any kind of line like the Verizon store. I'll just make a comment to someone about the FED or TBTF and see what they say. Usually their answer goes 'Well, theyre smarter than me I dont want to mess with what theyre doing as long as I perceive it will benefit me'...basically thats the avg american today I believe.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 14:10 | 940942 Ferrari
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You shop in pretty tony corner stores. People in this burg would just stare back and ask for a translation in English or Spanish.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:30 | 940451 DaveyJones
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Just listen to the Patton Boggs website:

“One Firm, One Community” describes a firm in which geographic, political, and practice-driven barriers have been removed, resulting in a culture of inclusion and open communication.  A unity of direction and purpose connects offices and departments, with resources, ideas, and information freely shared"

You see, they've removed those pesky "practice driven barriers" to give their international clients a "unity of direction."

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:03 | 940587 Bananamerican
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"...a culture of inclusion and open communication...with our diverse roster of wealthy dictatorial clients"

aint globalization grand?

fuckin' shysters

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:53 | 940372 Agent P
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I too think Mubarak should stay. 

(please make check payable to Agent P).

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:18 | 940447 Cognitive Dissonance
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How many numerical comma's do I use on your check?

Counting zeros is so yesterday. Instead of saying that's a 7 figure bribe, the new shorthand is make that with 2 comma's.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:53 | 940373 Joe Davola
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Didn't a lot of the wikileaks come from state dept cables?

Would a Clinton administration have been any more capable than this lot?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:27 | 940475 SheepDog-One
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It IS a Clinton administration!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:11 | 940609 Bananamerican
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Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:27 | 940478 MachoMan
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Slick Willy was 10x the politician Obama is....  [measured in machiavellian aptitude].  It's one thing to be discovered through insiders dumping information or fall prey to hackers...  it's a total other issue to do a brief inquiry into your mouth piece's background and find he's on the mubarak payroll...

(and Clinton had 2 terms of juice...  Obama is one term at best).

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:35 | 940499 DaveyJones
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true, even though he was a total whore too, he had something called...experience. And of course, it doesn't hurt to have a wife that can make you cringe. Helps with those mean ass dictators 

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:57 | 940576 MachoMan
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I literally refused to choose a wife from law school solely based upon the Hilary model.  It seems the personality is simply drawn to the profession...  but, it helps when most would be better suited to find bridges to guard.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:33 | 940678 SheepDog-One
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Yep, way better off just marrying a stripper. At least theyre way more fun!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 13:13 | 940775 MachoMan
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fun until your genitals start itching... 

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 13:15 | 940782 Rodent Freikorps
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They are all Chaos Guurrrls. Never let them near your credit or you family.

They make a shampoo for that. Or so I'm told.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:38 | 940514 I Told YOU So
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and quite the cigar afficionado ;)

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:53 | 940374 topcallingtroll
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Amazing! Barry Seotoro cant even keep from fucking up the middle east. First he was for muburak before he was against him before he was for him. Why dont we cut off the.two biggest welfare whores in the middle east and be done.with it?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:55 | 940375 three chord sloth
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How could the administration not know this? Even the mildest due diligence is going to involve past work relationships. I don't believe any of this is "unbeknownst" to anybody in the White House or the State Department.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:54 | 940732 ColonelCooper
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I find it more a statement about how Government officials really feel about the American citizenry.  First, they assume we are too Homer Simpson (Sunstein anybody?) to catch them in the first place.  Second, they know that if they do get called on it, they will just tell us to fuck off and that we will take it like the bitches we are.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 16:18 | 941260 DaveyJones
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well, we have been barking a lot and doing very little else

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:57 | 940378 Cookie
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Corrupt to the core.

If you want to hear it from John Pilger, here is an old but totally relevant John Pilger piece



Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:59 | 940379 freeasabee1
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Fisk writes some good articles...WTF is right.. let me guess, Wiser is jewish too.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:13 | 940434 Drag Racer
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yes, he is Jewish. But more importantly...

In 1948, Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects (OSP). Soon afterwards OSP was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on "propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:20 | 940454 SDRII
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That is his father. His resume is equally colorful - enron, aig etc.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:12 | 940614 Bananamerican
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like father like son.....a company man

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:34 | 940505 Coast Watcher
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The elder Wisner was one of the three men who created the CIA. Curiously -- or not -- all three were connected to AIG, whose founder Cornelius Vander Starr was deeply involved with the OSS during WWII. His insurance company, the predecessor to AIG, was founded in Shanghia and moved to the US before the war. He opened his shipping files to the OSS and even sharing a building with the OSS Pacific office in San Francisco. In the years since, the AIG board has almost always had a current or former head of the CIA as a member.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:35 | 940507 GrouchoNotKarl
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Wow! That is a real eye opener. 


Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:43 | 940526 Coast Watcher
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Makes the AIG bailout a little easier to understand, doesn't it?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:18 | 940629 Bananamerican
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why? because spying on AIG's clients/deals is too important to amerika's notional security?

or too lucrative to characters like Wisner?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:48 | 940721 DaveyJones
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and because the AIG seems to be a front for...a lot of things

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:59 | 940381 Slartibartfast
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Events have a proven habit of overtaking the 'players'. It's difficult to imagine US foreign policy becoming even more hypocritical, yet here they go again. Ask Gorbachev...all of his 'reforms' were too little, too late and only hastened the collapse. We may be seeing a similar situation in the middle east. Running so much cover for obvious dictators hasn't strengthened its position; it's made it even more untenable, and where it all ends is anyone's guess.

Egypt under a new, more populist government would present incredible investment opportunities, but that is sadly lost in all the chaos. Whipping a tired horse doesn't work.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:00 | 940383 disabledvet
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Caviar Emptor.  Now let them eat cake.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:00 | 940385 spekulatn
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At least the man can speak well. So what if he needs a teleprompter to do it.


Laughable. Sad. Pathetic. Deserved.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:09 | 940388 Grifter
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Insert the Mortal Kombat "Whoopsie!" sound here...

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:02 | 940389 umop episdn
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Sadly, most of the Merican Peepholes will never learn of this gaffe; even if they did, they might not understand why this is sofa king dumb. Of course, in the less sedated parts of the world that have the internets, this is going to make the Owebama admin look the same as the Shrub admin...which is pretty close to the farsical, banana-republic-flavored truth.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:02 | 940390 bania
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"It is a Monday, and like any day ending in "y" we get another... screw up."


thanks for the laugh guys :-)

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:03 | 940393 the not so migh...
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Wisner should be shot by the marines when they arrive as a traitor.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:24 | 940467 Alcoholic Nativ...
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No such thing as a traitor in the post 9/11 world.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:36 | 940509 Head for the Hills
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Why, he works for a company that does business with the Egyptian gov.


The marines should shoot the idiot who put him in charge of US policy.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:03 | 940394 LoneStarHog
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How do you "call into question" something that has NEVER existed from the onset?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:03 | 940395 Kina
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And why shouldn't Obama betray the Egyptian people? He has betrayed everbody and everything else.

Good way to stoke more hatred against the US by people in the middle east. Is there any part of Obama not owned by some corporation or other. Maybe his little toe?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:11 | 940431 DaveyJones
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He's meeting with these guys this afternoon

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:05 | 940399 pauldia
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So now it becomes clear why this administration allowed the democracy protesters in Iran to be murdered, beaten, and tortured all the while saying we don't want to "meddle". There wasn't any payoff for a campaign bundler or Democratic operative ,( envoy ) & BTW and those kids Iran certainly don't want  to include an Muslim Brotherhood in any new government, hey they now have the entire family. I say send plugs Biden, we all need a laugh and that's the reason he was put on the ticket, after all he had decades of foreign policy experience.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:07 | 940414 topcallingtroll
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Didnt biden also co invent the internet?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:10 | 940427 Sophist Economicus
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Yes, not to mention television and the Polio vaccine

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:46 | 940535 I Told YOU So
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"So now it becomes clear why this administration ALLOWED the democracy protesters in Iran to be murdered, beaten, and tortured all the while saying we don't want to "meddle". "

its this kind of thinking that has to stop, its none of our business.

(but I agree with you about the rest)

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:50 | 940543 tonyw
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"There wasn't any payoff " those Iranians are so missing an opportunity.

How much would it take to turn round the US's view of Iran or do they need a certain minimum number of bogeymen to justify all the spook/military... expense??

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:05 | 940402 Captain Willard
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Current diplomats are incompetent. Former diplomats are paid lobbying agents of either Egypt or Israel. Take your pick.

It hardly matters anyway, because we are fooling ourselves if we think we're going to have any influence on the ultimate outcome. We have 100,000 troops in Afghanistan and we don't control what goes on there either.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:51 | 940548 tonyw
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"Former diplomats are paid lobbying agents of either Egypt OR Israel" Myself, I prefer the power of AND

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:05 | 940403 topcallingtroll
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Soetoro Seotoro. I cant spell those damn foreign names. All those brownies need to change their names to smith anyway and make it easy for me.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:06 | 940405 FoodTiger
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Carter lost Iran

Obama will lose Egypt


One can only hope that in 2 years, Obama makes a sensible career change to build houses for homeless dogs around the globe.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:11 | 940429 snowball777
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Kermit Roosevelt lost Iran. Golda Meir lost Egypt.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:48 | 940540 I Told YOU So
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well put, but who would junk you? (oboner, is that you lurking)

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:07 | 940409 Sophist Economicus
Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:07 | 940410 snowball777
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I'm guessing this went down like so:

HRC: Okay, Hosni, we're gonna need to have someone on the ground to represent our interests.

Hosni: I'm not comfortable with being dictated questions my job security.

HRC: Well, who can we send that would make you comfortable?

Hosni: I've got just the guy...

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:11 | 940430 4shzl
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More accurate than you could possibly imagine.  The words "conflict of interest" have no meaning in Cairo -- or Washington.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:08 | 940418 Gordon Freeman
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It's official: the Obama admin is made up of carnival chimps, and clown-school dropouts...

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:08 | 940421 maneco
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Frank Wisner Sr., the father of Mr Wisner, was senior C.I.A. official in the 1960s. According to Wikepedia Mr Wisner Sr. shot himself with oe of his son's shotguns in 1965.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:20 | 940452 Rockfish
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Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:22 | 940639 Bananamerican
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spooks are spooky....

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:53 | 940557 tonyw
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the king is dead, long live the king - no need for an inquiry, move right along business as usual.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:19 | 940633 Yardfarmer
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With the revelations concerning the dispatch of man-of-many-hats Frank G. Wisner, Jr., former US Ambassador to Egypt and personal friend of embattled US puppet dictator Hosni Mubarak, to the Nile Valley for-not-so-secret consultations with the CIA/MI6 government in waiting Muslim Brotherhood, the pandora's box of US , international neo-colonial and corporate hegemony in the current Egyptian maelstrom been flung wide open. While touting Wisner's media persona and stellar career as a wide ranging State department diplomat over the past several decades, the main stream media of course conveniently ignores Wisner's less inviting pedigree as a covert CIA operative, vice president for external affairs for the bankrupt AIG corporation (which has extensive involvement in numerous infrastructure projects in Egypt), member of the Council on Foreign Relations, former board member of the defunct Enron energy monolith and a notable role as US point man in fomenting the violent civil war in the breakaway Serbian republic of Kosovo.
With such a wide swath of destruction already in his wake, it is no surprise that a hit man of Wisner's stature and sanguinary capabilities would be called upon to wreak further havoc in this latest laboratory of globalist massive destabilization and social dislocation. Wisner's biography reveals a background which from its beginning was singularly disposed towards a life of service to the clandestine agencies such as the CIA and MI6 which have been active in the control and subjugation of the remnants of the former British colonial empire for global corporate and financial interests. Frank G. Wisner, Sr., was head of the Office of Strategic Services(OSS), the precursor of the CIA in southeastern Europe at the end of WWII, and shortly thereafter headed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC) for the agency in 1948. In he capacity as Directorate of Plans he was "instrumental" in covert operations to oust the Mossadegh government in Iran and Arbenz in Guatemala. Previously the elder Wisner had also established "Operation Mockingbird", the CIA pilot program for controlling domestic news media and was instrumental in CIA efforts to aid, recruit, and employ high ranking Nazi officers after the war.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:43 | 940701 DaveyJones
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thanks for the link 

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:09 | 940423 bankonzhongguo
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The thing to watch is whether any of this makes it onto CNN, Faux or network news. Even before Wisner left the US, just his family's background told you he/Obama wanted Mubarak to stay as long as possible and/or make sure that this Omar Suleiman/CIA Point-man/Undertaker was calling the shots.

Its window dressing like this that turns the average "Asim" in the Cairo street into a Anderson Cooper sparing partner.  None of this is lost on the Arabs.  They all know Mubarak is America and America is Mubarak and the fact that Mssrs. Obama/Clinton can't evoke "democracy" in a foreign policy sentence rings true to the sandals on the ground.  The fact that the US diplomacy bench is this shallow and old really spells doom for the American Empire.

Egypt can play these regime games for another year, but the population is aroused and the only prescription for change will be more "radicalized" cowbell.  It would be interesting to hear the dinner table discussions about everyone's kids going to Israel this Summer.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:51 | 940549 AnAnonymous
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 but the population is aroused and the only prescription for change will be more "radicalized" cowbell.


Maybe the goal of the manoeuver: angering egyptian people so that they turn to radicalized options.

Sending an envoy who is that close to the dictator they try to overthrow is not a coincidence.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:10 | 940425 MsCreant
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I have a different theory. The incest with these fuckers runs so deep that, based on who everyone knows, they couldn't possibly find someone in their cadre of clowns who doesn't have a conflict of interest somehow. 

Tyler and crew, when they were getting started on one of the other platforms, used to create these complicated diagrams of webs of interconnections between GS, other TBTFs, and players in the politcal arena. Everyone knows everyone and at one time or another has done everyone a favor. THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE THEIR JOBS.

You could find out shit like this on any of them. What is amazing is that the press does not say and do more with these obvious facts.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:21 | 940456 earnyermoney
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"What is amazing is that the press does not say and do more with these obvious facts." If Obama were an R the press would flog this story for months on end.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:54 | 940560 AnAnonymous
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The incest with these fuckers runs so deep that, based on who everyone knows, they couldn't possibly find someone in their cadre of clowns who doesn't have a conflict of interest somehow. 


That is a serious possibility.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 13:22 | 940798 Problem Is
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"Tyler and crew...  used to create these complicated diagrams of webs of interconnections between GS, other TBTFs,"

Those Charts Were Awesome MsC +1
Remember the AIG one?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 15:58 | 941196 sgt_doom
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"I have a different theory."

"You could find out shit like this on any of them. What is amazing is that the press does not say and do more with these obvious facts."

These three sentences --- and the other mindless drivel from MsCreant --- pretty much describes the mindless, ignorant nonanalytical state of the typical Ameritard.

First, learn something of the subject prior to prattling on with mindless drivel.

Frank Jr. (as was his father) is no run-of-the-mill individual.  See the other comments (I realize this will entail extending your usual three-second attention span) to learn something about his background -- or just review my previous comment at this post.

Negative, douchey, Frankie Jr. is a charter member of the Financial-Intelligence-Complex which runs North America, and is part of the Transnational Corporate Class which runs the entire show.

If reading isn't actually beyond your grasp (and if you are over the age of 35 or 40, and still don't understand this, it obviously well might be), try reading the following books, and you might begin to understand.

Family of Secrets by Russ Baker

Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot

John Kenneth Galbraith, His Life, His Politics, His Economics by Richard Parker (paying close attention to the three chapters on the Kennedy administration and the final chapter)

JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglass

The Rich and the Super Rich by Ferdinand Lundberg

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 18:31 | 941605 MsCreant
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I've enjoyed your comments here, so I will do this as nicely as I can, even though you have not. WHY ALL THE CONTEMPT AIMED AT ME!?!

Other folks who disagree with me can point out where I am wrong and why. Your tone does not invite a debate, it invites an attack. That isn't productive unless your point is to start a random, blind, fight. Is that what you really want?

I wonder if you have the balls to address my question? I think you do (you're posting history says you do), or at least you will try, if you actually come back and take a look at what you have written. It's not like we have a long history of hating each other and ragging on each other here. I wonder if you have the capacity to even hear my question, to reflect on why the fuck you thought you needed to attack me to get any kind of point across. 

What is the deal?

Is this who you want to be? 

If I am as ignorant as you say, should you yell at me and call me names to get me to see your point of view? Will that really help?

You're right, we are fucked, but isn't just because people like me are fucktarded/Ameritarded or stupid.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:10 | 940426 Caviar Emptor
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We got plenty o loot sloshin' around out there. It's how we keep our 'allies' on our wavelength. Dictators means we only need to deliver to one payment window. Democracy is more of a problem. 

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:12 | 940432 Cash_is_Trash
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My comrades, this piece demonstrates America at its finest.

This diplomatic subcontracting reminds me of subcontracting Blackwater mercenaries to "protect U.S. troops" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The fucking soldiers can protect themselves as can our diplomats protect their own asses.

No wonder the country is tanking: Leadership Crisis.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:14 | 940436 TradingJoe
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"They" will go on in this manner until they cannot anymore, because the unwashed masses will stand up, perhaps at the same time, all over the globe, and kill "them all"! Not even a demonstration is "safe" of manipulation anymore, I really hope it all goes down after I die, since I could not see it with my own eyes, what has become of Us and Others in this fucked up to the hilt World! Maybe Niall Ferguson is right after all, we are so fucked up that we will go down in history as the "Lost Empire"! Pathetic how We let Them Do All of This to US!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:14 | 940437 LongSoupLine
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Love to be a fly on the wall in the oval office right now...

"Mr. President, We need to replace him with someone from Goldman or Morgan right away!"

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:16 | 940440 Cash_is_Trash
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Frank Wisner was at AIG. Doesn't that do sufficient damage:

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:31 | 940665 Bananamerican
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a piggy with a soviet "smile"

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 19:17 | 941752 StychoKiller
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Some animals are more equal than others.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:15 | 940438 Ecoman11
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Off topic but anyone have a live link to Trichet's ECB speech?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:06 | 940591 tonyw
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live from european parliament not the ECB;...

but i think he's finished, HTH

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:15 | 940439 Straykitty
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Captain Willard is pretty much correct.  All of this goes beyond being a "slip-up."  The only alternative is that it's deliberate.  The motivation for that is subjective.  I have my own opinions.

That said, being able to spot lies and ask questions is a valuable talent.  I'm too much of a coward to accuse in public.  Hats off to those who are not.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:16 | 940444 tmosley
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But...I thought only Republicans were corrupt?

My worldview is shattered :(

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:17 | 940446 insatiablegenius
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This has more to do with Israel than any other problem Egypt would cause economically. It's a sick world these people live in and compasion does not exist. I hope all of these sociopathic murderer's rot in their graves, I wonder if they realize their children will be scarred for life because of this. What do they care they kill children everywhere anyway.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:21 | 940457 Rodent Freikorps
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Smart Diplomacy, Bitches.


Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:21 | 940458 Double down
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American political leadership is beyond ^*&%^ retarded.  America deserves all it can get, and I have a feeling it will.  

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:21 | 940460 Kina
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The US has stage IV cancer. The disease is everywhere and still growing and wont stop until it kills the patient.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:53 | 940522 DaveyJones
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and we're treating it with all the useless modern, destructive techniques when what we should have done is prevent it with healthy nutrition.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:04 | 940590 Unlawful Justice
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There is an interesting correlation between Cancer and Washington.

1. Cancer is a classification of over 100 different diseases. Washington is a classification of over 100 special interest groups.

2. The body tries to repair the damaged area in a panic, and starts to produce “new cells” at a rapid rate. The FED tries to repair the damaged balance sheet and starts to produce “new money” at a rapid rate.

3. The “old” cells that were supposed to die off don’t resulting in a tumor and death of the patient. The “old” banks that were supposed go Bankrupt don’t resulting in systemic collapse and death of AmErICa.

4. Chemotherapy = Silver?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:24 | 940466 Psquared
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It won't be long now.

The vetting process in the Obama Administration consists of two calls; first, "Hey Barry, what about Frank?" followed by, "who's Frank?"

This falls in the lap of the Chief of Staff - current and former.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:25 | 940468 gwar5
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What Obama really wants is a Muslim Brotherhood Imam as his Secretary of State for the outreach. It's working so well, and that would at least send an honest signal of where he stands on the Middle East.

Obama was silent for two weeks when 3 million in Iran were dying. When he said something, it was to say, "What happens in Iran stays in Iran."

Al-Qaeda and Hamas are offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood. MB is the mothership. Obama's fellow travelers have been working with them for 2 years and they are on the ground right now in Cairo organizing them.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:30 | 940486 Rodent Freikorps
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Yeah, you have to figure the douche-bag would do one right thing if he wasn't so focused on Remaking the US, and by Remaking I mean destroying.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:49 | 940541 Yes We Can. But...
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Well, thanks to O we have the pleasure of getting to know his delightful Missus.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:58 | 940577 Rodent Freikorps
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I liked her better when she was commanding a Klingon Warbird.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:45 | 940530 karzai_luver
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Put down the double o 7 books.


If you wish a revolution in that type of controlled society you do it as it was done other places , on the QT,


You let the "people" , the yuts boil it up.


That way some of the upper crust may peel off , if you come out and flex your vocals you stand to get more killed and when it all goes bad you get the blame.


The game is more than you seem to grasp.


Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:32 | 940488 Eureka Springs
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It's times like this when you know Obama is indeed Cheney's cousin. I simply despise my country for it's support of both leaders like Cheney and Obama.. and their endless determination to kep the Mubaraks and Suleiman's in charge all around the world.

Remeber we installed Sadam... and we funded the Taliban. Suleiman created Al Quaeda. We and the friends we buy are our own worst enemy.


Viva La Egyptian people! They have far more spine, dignity, self respect than we.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:37 | 940512 Rodent Freikorps
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Lie much?

Provide proof Suleiman created Al Qaida.

Hate on Obama all you want.

We did not install Sadam. He installed himself, and then allied himself with the Soviets.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:47 | 940538 karzai_luver
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sadam was on our payroll and on our side.

he waged war against the MOOZIES for us.


But in the end ,we cut him loose , always happens that way.


Once we bleed em we drop em.

you seem delusional.


Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:00 | 940558 Rodent Freikorps
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Proof Bitch.

We gave Sadam intel when he was at war with Iran. Arab vs Persian. No lose situation for us. I approve.

Too bad about all those teens the Iranians ran across mine fields to spare their tank treads, but we didn't order it.

You can't honestly say Arabs and Persians need any outside influence to kill each other.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:53 | 940551 DaveyJones
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"...against the thesis of some thinkers like Noam Chomsky that 9/11 is principally a blowback operation. How would you look at these views?

MC: Those views are totally incorrect. The blowback thesis assumes that the relationship between al-Qaeda and the U.S. government (including its intelligence apparatus) ceased in the wake of the Cold War. Because that’s what they say and acknowledge.

They say "yes we created al-Qaeda during the Soviet-Afghan war. We trained the mujahideen, we helped them in fighting the Soviet Union. And in the wake of the Cold War, al-Qaeda has gone against us." And that’s what’s called the blowback. Blowback is when an intelligence asset goes against its sponsors.

That viewpoint s incorrect because in the course of the 1990s there’s ample evidence of links between al-Qaeda and the U.S. administration, during the Clinton administration as well as the Bush administration, leading up in fact to 2001. There’s evidence of active collaboration between al-Qaeda paramilitary groups in the Balkans and senior U.S. military advisers.

I think that the blowback thesis, whether it emanates from supporters of the Bush adminstration or from the Left is mistaken and misleading. Why? Because it really provides legitimacy to the war on terrorism. It essentially says "yes, the war on terrorism is a legitimate objective of U.S. foreign policy." I would say that people who support the blowback are either mistaken and unaware of the facts, or alternatively they are tacitly involved in media disinformation."   - Chossudovsky

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:01 | 940585 Rodent Freikorps
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Don't get me started. We had no business going into Kosovo.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:30 | 940660 DaveyJones
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don't you mean it's all "business?" War is politics by other means and politics is economics by other means

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:35 | 940683 Rodent Freikorps
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What did we gain?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:44 | 940703 DaveyJones
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more debt, more hatred, less jobs

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 12:49 | 940722 Rodent Freikorps
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Actually, the Kosovars think the US shits skittles.

Everyone else thinks we are idiots. The Macedonians are still pissed we helped put a Greater Albania into motion.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 16:03 | 941215 sgt_doom
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Well said, DaveyJones, all one need do is simply look into backgrounds of a large number of the passengers aboard those four airliners involved in 9/11 that day.

Is that really soooooo difficult for sooooo many Ameritards?

Evidently, YES!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 11:53 | 940555 I Told YOU So
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I like you Eurika

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