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Obama Statement On Rampant And "Credible" UPS Package Terrorism

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Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:17 | 686962 goldmiddelfinger
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Yeah. I believe this. Hussein Obama "saves" the nation by foiling the dastardly multi pronged terror plot Friday before midterm elections. "Target" happened to be jewish synagogues in Chicago. Chicago? Chicago Bulls shite.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:54 | 687053 Rainman
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Just a strange coincidence that WaPo ran a story today on the counter-terrorism price tag......$80 billion under the radar for one year.

At a price of nearly $ 7 billion a month, somethin's gotta pop, dammit. 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 19:40 | 687140 snowball777
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One could make the same argument about the $700B DoD budget's leading to 'justifications'.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:38 | 687470 MarketTruth
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DoD... glad they and the CIA coordinate for false flag events.

We're all living in Amerika,
Amerika is wunderbar.
We're all living in Amerika,
Amerika, Amerika.
We're all living in Amerika,
Coca-Cola, sometimes WAR,
We're all living in Amerika,
Amerika, Amerika.

Original German
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yydlX7c8HbY

English Version
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6unDcYBQSpQ

 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:01 | 687516 CD
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And while I was trying to find the link to the English version, you beat me to it. Too bad the aud/vid synch is just a bit off, the visual jokes are quite good...

"If you don't want me - You get hurt

If you don't need me - You get hurt

If you don't love me - You get hurt

Fuck you is the magic word"

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 05:45 | 687765 66Sexy
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never let a crisis go to waste

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 09:50 | 687880 66Sexy
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evidence that 9//11 was a cover up is pouring out now; the holes are getting wider; the movement is gaining steam. check this footage out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsbHYtdSM7s 

and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

 

its common knowledge now that the government uses terrorism to manipulate public fear.

 

the game's up. they cannot dispute the fact there were bombs planted in the buildings after this.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:08 | 687892 TuesdayBen
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Insane

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:21 | 687978 MarketTruth
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Not insane at all, Hitler used the same type of situation (false flag event) to then begin what is known in the history books as WWII.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:08 | 687195 Pants McPants
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I don't think anyone is saying terrorism is not a problem, although I understand how it could be interpreted that way. Let's make a deal - I'll study the roots of terrorism if you'll agree to study blowback and be willing to admit US foreign policy *might* have something to do with a terrorists' motivation to carry out attacks.  And, fact is, the US government (and government in general) has historically carried out false flags in support of its own agenda. 

 

I'm sorry terrorism has struck so close to you and your family.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:58 | 687315 TuesdayBen
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Were the US strictly isolationist - no military overseas, no hundreds of millions in aid, etc, these hateful jackals would call us greedy pigs for keeping to ourselves and attack us on that basis.  They're born to hate, and their religion, Islam, is a handy vehicle to hijack for a ride to the virgins in heaven.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:33 | 687464 Jasper M
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I believe you may be mistaken. 

My read of history implies that "these hateful jackals" were quite content to focus their homicidal tendencies on one another, until we showed up in their neck of the woods. 

I don Not dispute that they would hate us. But they probably hate, say Argentinians, too. They just don't see enough of them to get worked up over. 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:36 | 687795 CH1
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It's not that simple. (Though I really appreciate your thoughtful, balanced opinion.) The root is this:

The massive success of the West makes Mohammad appear wrong.

There are any number of attachments and complexities, but this is the unspoken core.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:20 | 687824 squid_pro_quo
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It's threatened my own life and murdered several people close to me.

I call BS - it's unlikely enough that you've been "threatened by jihad" (whatever that means), but the odds of having "several friends murdered" verge on 1 in infinity. Give us names and dates or STFU.

This terrorist boogeyman is more pathetic than communists, AIDS, and swine flue put together.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:27 | 688153 Poundsand
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I was not threatened, but I have met with Christians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip who have been shot, had their homes bombed, and in one case in the Gaza Strip, the pastor of the only evangelical church in the Gaza Strip was executed in 2007.

I have met men who have been shot and beaten. Their crime? Preaching the gospel. Don't think for a moment that Islam is the religion of peace. None of the people I met were not Palestinians.

It has nothing to do with economic status, ethnicity, or whether you are oppressing them or not. It is 100% religious.

Do some real research and don't just read what the MSM feeds you every day.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 18:44 | 688318 Sparkey
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People have been beaten with base ball bats in Lakewood NJ, for the crime of being Muslim, intolerence is every where, especially here on the internet, although is is not so blatent here on ZH, it seems we have a better educated more reflective class of readers here!

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:43 | 687839 ReeferMac
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My read of history implies that "these hateful jackals" were quite content to focus their homicidal tendencies on one another, until we showed up in their neck of the woods.

+10. Very true.

I know a few Muslims, and count them as friends. Islam is not a hateful religion. Certain practitioners have perverted the religion to suit their needs. Kinda like in the this country?

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:34 | 687467 A Nanny Moose
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Isolationist? You are taking it to the extreme. Defending borders and pulling our troops home from overseas not isolationist, and is allowed in the Constitution. This is non-interventionist, not isolationist. Isolation requires big fat tariffs and/or embargos on foreign goods as well. Like FDR did with Japan.

The hate well happen regardless, at least we are not fomenting violence through our imperialist activities against wedding parties. So-the-fsck-what if they call us greedy pigs. Sticks and stones. It's not our problem, other than high oil prices (big maybe here), until they breech our soil...then we have, and should be allowed to use our 2A rights.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:22 | 687562 Arthor Bearing
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No military overseas? What lies and hypocrisy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_armed_forces#Overseas

Also you should look into the Afghanistan Mujahideen during the USSR's war in Afghanistan, it's how Osama and the other Taliban/Al-Qaida people got rich off of Western governments while fighting to impose Sh'ria law on the Arab world. 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:06 | 687334 greyghost
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nonsense from that poster......every christian needs to learn what the jewish religion refers to as "goyum". anyone who is not jewish is "goyum". i say to hell with the muslims and the jews.....master trouble makers on both sides!

i would point out that christianity of the three is the only one that has a concept of "turning the other cheek". the other two are nothing more than hyperactive "eye for an eye" "blood for blood" religions!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:27 | 687366 Lower Class Elite
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Yeah... if only that pesky Old Testament thing weren't stuck on the front of the cheeky-turny part.  That's the real genius of Christianity; you can justify being a peace-loving hippy AND stoning your brother to death and taking his wife, all in the same book!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:04 | 687416 greyghost
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interesting you bring up the old testament. i no longer read the old testament. way back in the day when the bible was banned in schools some folks were walking up and down the school halls handing out copies of the new testament and new testament only. not being from a really strong religious family i stuck it in my back pocket[ fit very nice like a wallet]. over the next few years of school, when ever i was bored in class i would read from this book and many others so as not to go insane. having read the new testament and the new testament only about four times in school, i have never got all the crap by the preachers about always and i mean 'ALWAYS' going back to the old testament!!!!! the new testament clearly states serveral times that it is a "new covennant". also never having any religious up bringing i always read the new testament as a story written by several authors. i would sit with my wife in church and listen to the preacher take two or three lines from the new testament and than immediately go to the old testament and blah blah blah on for an hour or more. taking the new testament lines completely out of context!!!!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:51 | 687495 Rusty Shorts
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New Testament

“If you love me you will keep my commandments” - (John 14:15)

 

10 Commandments = Old Testament

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 03:19 | 687713 Mr Vepr Vyatskie
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Not trying to be an ass here, but an overwhelming majority of the teachings of Jesus in the 4 gospels were spoken to people that were still under the old covenant, during the time of the old covenant. The old covenant wasn't completed until he died. The new covenant was started shortly after he came back to life.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:14 | 687427 JLee2027
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The cheeky-turny part which you nicely butchered is New Testament. Stoning is Old Testament Mosaic law (Law of Moses) and does not apply to Christians. Try reading the Bible, it might help your massive confusion.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 05:18 | 687758 cranky-old-geezer
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I find it amusing how "Christians" think Christ closed the door on the "old testament", not realizing Christ was the God of the "old testament", who gave the ten commandments and did everything else recorded therein.

There is no conflict between the "old testament" and Christ's teaching in the "new testament", since He was the God of the "old testament".  He would not conflict his prior commandments.

The key to understanding said apparent differences lies in understanding Christ gave some commandments for people in general and gave some commandments specifically for Israel as their national law. When that nation ceased to exist, their national law ceased to exist.

But it requires some understanding of legal principles, which many "Christians" seem to have no knowlege of.  To properly understand Christ's teaching you must understand law and legal principles, since Christ was the law giver through the entire bible.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 18:46 | 688322 Sparkey
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The best posts are often flagged as junk, read the posts flagged as junk!

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 14:42 | 689180 dkny
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I wonder how you reconcile the inquisition or the crusades with that turny-cheeky doctrine (as another called it).

Face it, every group of people banding together given some real or imaginary unifying factor will always look down on other people that aren't in their little clique. Even if you take religion as the unifying factor, you still have groups: there are different strains of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam -- and even then, those groups will be further divided by geographical location, and they might not like each other even though they supposedly follow the same religious doctrine.

Throw into that color, language, etc, and you have a nice big mess. I'm sure an anthropologist could've done a better job explaining this concept of us-vs-them which predates any written word, whether "codified" in a religious text or elsewhere.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 11:53 | 687957 shushup
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Tosser!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:13 | 687205 Sean7k
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The La Times is reporting there were no detonators found yet. If that is the case, could this be a case where Jewish extremists were importing bomb making materials? They were addressed to Jewish organizations. There may even be jews in Yeman. 

Are there people who attempt to strike back at us? Yes, can't blame them. We kill indescriminately all over the globe through poisoned foods, economic hitmen, resource and commodity theft and war. We went into palestine and stole people's land and gave it away. How would you respond? 

Hell, we poison our own people for goodness sakes. Wake up and smell the coffee. Just because someone doesn't want to submit to our rules and values and decide to rebel does not make them terrorists. It is unfortunate your friends had to die, but you might want to lay some of that blame at our doorstep- we trained and funded them. Our "Allies" continue to fund them and give them weapons- unless you think they can make them themselves. 

The case that jihad is self defense is not an unreasonable one, if you will get your head unwrapped from the flag and take an objective look.

Disclaimer: I am a natural, white American of no religious affiliation.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:18 | 687216 doolittlegeorge
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"From Yemen" and straight to the Synagogues in Chicago???!!!  Hmmm.  "Talk about a brooding underclass."  I'm with you "in spirit" but that's only because "you are truly going where no man has gone before...nor will probably go again."

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:16 | 687432 JLee2027
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Yeah...every Thursday the Mecca to Yemen to Chicago special shama-lon you ding dongs! 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:55 | 687307 Hedge Jobs
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"could this be a case where Jewish extremists were importing bomb making materials?"

probably not S7 but jewish extremists (the Federal reserve) are importing printer cartiges ahead next weeks FOMC meeting.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:30 | 687370 Lower Class Elite
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Now that was fucking funny! :)

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:24 | 687363 JohnG
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"Hell, we poison our own people for goodness sakes. Wake up and smell the coffee."

For fucks sake, if coffee is poison, I'm a dead man fer sure!

</snark>

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:32 | 687571 nmewn
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"Just because someone doesn't want to submit to our rules and values and decide to rebel does not make them terrorists."

"The case that jihad is self defense is not an unreasonable one,"

There's a three drink limit to post here.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:37 | 687578 knukles
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Unless the someone is a citizen, then merely asking the wrong (to be defined term, later) question constitutes treasonous behavior.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 00:07 | 687606 Sean7k
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Ok.Post it now!

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:00 | 687782 Azannoth
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Al Queda does not exist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYorNi0nA&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh+d...

and certainly did not exist prior to 9/11

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 16:29 | 688201 knukles
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Does at times seem odd that as told by TPTB, that there are only some say, about 30 to 100 hardcore Ali-quiznoes left by virtue of outstanding military and intelligence efforts...the rest been killed, dispersed, murdered, conquered, depressed, fired, dismissed, become redundant, jobs exported, whatthefuckever; the war goes well in the East I hear, Smedley.

So how come they're still such an effective force?  Somewhere, somehow, someonees (plurals) are giving the public poopie juice that don't squarewith reality.  How come the bombs look like a kids fucked up erection sets?  How come its'.... oh fuck, never mind. 
Back to Jersey Shore re-runs....

Did someone say we get to vote again, soon?

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:49 | 687290 High Plains Drifter
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The only "terrorist" are the United States government, the British Government and the Israeli government. Case closed. The term terrorist is some convenient term that is trotted out every once in a while for  effect, similar to insurgent. The Muslim Brotherhood is a CIA/ Mossad/ MI5 front organization. Sure , Muslims are weird about how they do what they do in their countries but who are we to tell them different?  We never should have invaded any country over 911. 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:54 | 687302 Max Hunter
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++

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:06 | 687533 Paul Bogdanich
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Not true.  It's not the term "terrorist" per-se it's the "ists" generally.  Communists, socalists, fachists, terrorists and so on.  The ending "ists" has tremendous psychological significance to really stupid people a.k.a. abut 60% of the American population. 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:46 | 687801 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed, no need to have waited around for some catalyzing event before fixing the worst dictatorships in the Middle East.   Shoulda started at the end of Gulf War I, by finishing off Saddam then and there.   A strict no murderous assholes policy had been a good enough basis for opposing imperial japan and nazi germany, then later a whole host of communist regimes.  When the job was done on the latter we should have started taking down the minor nutjobs in the various "here be dragons" parts of the map.   Mugabe is a great example of someone that it would have been strictly humanitarian to remove, and on and on and on, including the Saudis.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:14 | 687971 Walter_Sobchak
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How is killing people humanitarian.  Doesn't matter if its the "good guys" pulling the trigger, its still murder.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 01:04 | 688691 TBT or not TBT
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Lots of innocent people, and GI's(POW's), died in the atomic bomb attacks that ENDED WWII.    The accounts of what happened inb conventional warfare on Okinawa, however are convincing enough as to how much worse an invasion of Japan would have been(five to ten times worse, conservatively).     Lots of examples to choose from in warfare.   In the case of Saddam, hundreds of thousands of outright murders and much cruelty and suffering would have been avoided by simply ending it during gulf war I.   It is tough to make the opposite case, but do give it a whirl!    Ditto with, oh, Pol Pot, or Robert Mugabe, and lots of others.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 13:55 | 688042 delacroix
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no murderous assholes policy? where does that leave israel?

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 01:19 | 688697 TBT or not TBT
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Hmm, pluralistic open tolerant wealthy, healthy and wise Israel, versus poor, intolerant, enraged psycho-states with an average age of 15 years almost entirely supported by western civilisation, and almost entirely insane from rage and dependency.   I'm kind of preferring the Israeli model a a way forward, wishing the palestinians could be somehow encouraged along that path too.   As to their humanitarian record the Israelis are THE models of restraint.   Hardly any other western country, even the preening pacific ones, would tolerate what they've been subjected to for decades on end with such restraint.   U.S. action against such a neigboring psychoterritory would be comprehensive and unapolagetic.    And no, Mexico isn't nearly there yet.   The number of deaths from terrorism suffered by Israelis over the past decades far outstrips, in terms relative to population size for example, the number of deaths the U.S. suffered on 9-11.    Their attempts to suppress the militants in the terrortories are very justified, and the amount of suffering and death directly caused by Israel has been minimal.   The main suffering visited up the various palestinian terratories has been done by the residents of those places.    I mean, the before and after pictures of Gaza, before and then after the Israelis gave it over, are illustrative.   So much productive infrastructure, just looted, pillaged, and destroyed, by the "palestinians" themselves, with help from Hamas and international terrorism and humanitarian funding, a good bit of it from our taxes, via UN dues.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 14:51 | 689194 dkny
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Prepare to be junked by people for which history, numbers, and ratios mean nothing.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 21:24 | 689708 Thee Barbarous Relic
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More people got killed in Neuvo Larado last year than in Israel or Iraq Our goverment could stop, it they don't want to.Disrupt and defraud is the plan

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