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Obama Statement On Rampant And "Credible" UPS Package Terrorism

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Maybe someone can ask the administration why they let the planes take off with "credible threat" packages take off instead of halting them on the ground... But that's a question for the soon to be appointed terrorism czar. And after all, how else could they get footage of a landing aircraft to divert the people's attention from the fact that US debt is now $13.7 trillion.

Good afternoon, everybody. I want to briefly update the American people on a credible terrorist threat against our country, and the actions that we're taking with our friends and our partners to respond to it.

Last night and earlier today, our intelligence and law enforcement professionals, working with our friends and allies, identified two suspicious packages bound for the United States - specifically, two places of Jewish worship in Chicago. Those packages had been located in Dubai and East Midlands Airport in the United Kingdom. An initial examination of those packages has determined that they do apparently contain explosive material.

I was alerted to this threat last night by my top counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan. I directed the Department of Homeland Security and all our law enforcement and intelligence agencies to take whatever steps are necessary to protect our citizens from this type of attack. Those measures led to additional screening of some planes in Newark and Philadelphia.

The Department of Homeland Security is also taking steps to enhance the safety of air travel, including additional cargo screening. We will continue to pursue additional protective measures for as long as it takes to ensure the safety and security of our citizens.

I've also directed that we spare no effort in investigating the origins of these suspicious packages and their connection to any additional terrorist plotting. Although we are still pursuing all the facts, we do know that the packages originated in Yemen. We also know that al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, a terrorist group based in Yemen, continues to plan attacks against our homeland, our citizens, and our friends and allies.

John Brennan, who you will be hearing from, spoke with President Saleh of Yemen today about the seriousness of this threat, and President Saleh pledged the full cooperation of the Yemeni government in this investigation.

Going forward, we will continue to strengthen our cooperation with the Yemeni government to disrupt plotting by al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula and to destroy this al-Qaida affiliate. We'll also continue our efforts to strengthen a more stable, secure and prosperous Yemen so that terrorist groups do not have the time and space they need to plan attacks from within its borders.

The events of the past 24 hours underscores the necessity of remaining vigilant against terrorism. As usual, our intelligence, law enforcement and Homeland Security professionals have served with extraordinary skill and resolve and with the commitment that their enormous responsibilities demand. We're also coordinating closely and effectively with our friends and our allies, who are essential to this fight.

As we obtain more information we will keep the public fully informed. But at this stage, the American people should know that the counterterrorism professionals are taking this threat very seriously and are taking all necessary and prudent steps to ensure our security. And the American people should be confident that we will not waver in our resolve to defeat al-Qaida and its affiliates and to root out violent extremism in all its forms.



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Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:17 | 686962 goldmiddelfinger
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Yeah. I believe this. Hussein Obama "saves" the nation by foiling the dastardly multi pronged terror plot Friday before midterm elections. "Target" happened to be jewish synagogues in Chicago. Chicago? Chicago Bulls shite.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:54 | 687053 Rainman
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Just a strange coincidence that WaPo ran a story today on the counter-terrorism price tag......$80 billion under the radar for one year.

At a price of nearly $ 7 billion a month, somethin's gotta pop, dammit. 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 19:40 | 687140 snowball777
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One could make the same argument about the $700B DoD budget's leading to 'justifications'.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:38 | 687470 MarketTruth
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DoD... glad they and the CIA coordinate for false flag events.

We're all living in Amerika,
Amerika is wunderbar.
We're all living in Amerika,
Amerika, Amerika.
We're all living in Amerika,
Coca-Cola, sometimes WAR,
We're all living in Amerika,
Amerika, Amerika.

Original German

English Version


Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:01 | 687516 CD
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And while I was trying to find the link to the English version, you beat me to it. Too bad the aud/vid synch is just a bit off, the visual jokes are quite good...

"If you don't want me - You get hurt

If you don't need me - You get hurt

If you don't love me - You get hurt

Fuck you is the magic word"

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 05:45 | 687765 66Sexy
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never let a crisis go to waste

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 09:50 | 687880 66Sexy
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evidence that 9//11 was a cover up is pouring out now; the holes are getting wider; the movement is gaining steam. check this footage out: 



its common knowledge now that the government uses terrorism to manipulate public fear.


the game's up. they cannot dispute the fact there were bombs planted in the buildings after this.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:08 | 687892 TuesdayBen
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Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:21 | 687978 MarketTruth
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Not insane at all, Hitler used the same type of situation (false flag event) to then begin what is known in the history books as WWII.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:08 | 687195 Pants McPants
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I don't think anyone is saying terrorism is not a problem, although I understand how it could be interpreted that way. Let's make a deal - I'll study the roots of terrorism if you'll agree to study blowback and be willing to admit US foreign policy *might* have something to do with a terrorists' motivation to carry out attacks.  And, fact is, the US government (and government in general) has historically carried out false flags in support of its own agenda. 


I'm sorry terrorism has struck so close to you and your family.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:58 | 687315 TuesdayBen
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Were the US strictly isolationist - no military overseas, no hundreds of millions in aid, etc, these hateful jackals would call us greedy pigs for keeping to ourselves and attack us on that basis.  They're born to hate, and their religion, Islam, is a handy vehicle to hijack for a ride to the virgins in heaven.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:33 | 687464 Jasper M
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I believe you may be mistaken. 

My read of history implies that "these hateful jackals" were quite content to focus their homicidal tendencies on one another, until we showed up in their neck of the woods. 

I don Not dispute that they would hate us. But they probably hate, say Argentinians, too. They just don't see enough of them to get worked up over. 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:36 | 687795 CH1
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It's not that simple. (Though I really appreciate your thoughtful, balanced opinion.) The root is this:

The massive success of the West makes Mohammad appear wrong.

There are any number of attachments and complexities, but this is the unspoken core.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:20 | 687824 squid_pro_quo
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It's threatened my own life and murdered several people close to me.

I call BS - it's unlikely enough that you've been "threatened by jihad" (whatever that means), but the odds of having "several friends murdered" verge on 1 in infinity. Give us names and dates or STFU.

This terrorist boogeyman is more pathetic than communists, AIDS, and swine flue put together.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:27 | 688153 Poundsand
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I was not threatened, but I have met with Christians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip who have been shot, had their homes bombed, and in one case in the Gaza Strip, the pastor of the only evangelical church in the Gaza Strip was executed in 2007.

I have met men who have been shot and beaten. Their crime? Preaching the gospel. Don't think for a moment that Islam is the religion of peace. None of the people I met were not Palestinians.

It has nothing to do with economic status, ethnicity, or whether you are oppressing them or not. It is 100% religious.

Do some real research and don't just read what the MSM feeds you every day.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 18:44 | 688318 Sparkey
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People have been beaten with base ball bats in Lakewood NJ, for the crime of being Muslim, intolerence is every where, especially here on the internet, although is is not so blatent here on ZH, it seems we have a better educated more reflective class of readers here!

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:43 | 687839 ReeferMac
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My read of history implies that "these hateful jackals" were quite content to focus their homicidal tendencies on one another, until we showed up in their neck of the woods.

+10. Very true.

I know a few Muslims, and count them as friends. Islam is not a hateful religion. Certain practitioners have perverted the religion to suit their needs. Kinda like in the this country?

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:34 | 687467 A Nanny Moose
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Isolationist? You are taking it to the extreme. Defending borders and pulling our troops home from overseas not isolationist, and is allowed in the Constitution. This is non-interventionist, not isolationist. Isolation requires big fat tariffs and/or embargos on foreign goods as well. Like FDR did with Japan.

The hate well happen regardless, at least we are not fomenting violence through our imperialist activities against wedding parties. So-the-fsck-what if they call us greedy pigs. Sticks and stones. It's not our problem, other than high oil prices (big maybe here), until they breech our soil...then we have, and should be allowed to use our 2A rights.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:22 | 687562 Arthor Bearing
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No military overseas? What lies and hypocrisy

Also you should look into the Afghanistan Mujahideen during the USSR's war in Afghanistan, it's how Osama and the other Taliban/Al-Qaida people got rich off of Western governments while fighting to impose Sh'ria law on the Arab world. 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:06 | 687334 greyghost
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nonsense from that poster......every christian needs to learn what the jewish religion refers to as "goyum". anyone who is not jewish is "goyum". i say to hell with the muslims and the jews.....master trouble makers on both sides!

i would point out that christianity of the three is the only one that has a concept of "turning the other cheek". the other two are nothing more than hyperactive "eye for an eye" "blood for blood" religions!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:27 | 687366 Lower Class Elite
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Yeah... if only that pesky Old Testament thing weren't stuck on the front of the cheeky-turny part.  That's the real genius of Christianity; you can justify being a peace-loving hippy AND stoning your brother to death and taking his wife, all in the same book!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:04 | 687416 greyghost
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interesting you bring up the old testament. i no longer read the old testament. way back in the day when the bible was banned in schools some folks were walking up and down the school halls handing out copies of the new testament and new testament only. not being from a really strong religious family i stuck it in my back pocket[ fit very nice like a wallet]. over the next few years of school, when ever i was bored in class i would read from this book and many others so as not to go insane. having read the new testament and the new testament only about four times in school, i have never got all the crap by the preachers about always and i mean 'ALWAYS' going back to the old testament!!!!! the new testament clearly states serveral times that it is a "new covennant". also never having any religious up bringing i always read the new testament as a story written by several authors. i would sit with my wife in church and listen to the preacher take two or three lines from the new testament and than immediately go to the old testament and blah blah blah on for an hour or more. taking the new testament lines completely out of context!!!!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:51 | 687495 Rusty Shorts
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New Testament

“If you love me you will keep my commandments” - (John 14:15)


10 Commandments = Old Testament

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 03:19 | 687713 Mr Vepr Vyatskie
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Not trying to be an ass here, but an overwhelming majority of the teachings of Jesus in the 4 gospels were spoken to people that were still under the old covenant, during the time of the old covenant. The old covenant wasn't completed until he died. The new covenant was started shortly after he came back to life.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:14 | 687427 JLee2027
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The cheeky-turny part which you nicely butchered is New Testament. Stoning is Old Testament Mosaic law (Law of Moses) and does not apply to Christians. Try reading the Bible, it might help your massive confusion.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 05:18 | 687758 cranky-old-geezer
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I find it amusing how "Christians" think Christ closed the door on the "old testament", not realizing Christ was the God of the "old testament", who gave the ten commandments and did everything else recorded therein.

There is no conflict between the "old testament" and Christ's teaching in the "new testament", since He was the God of the "old testament".  He would not conflict his prior commandments.

The key to understanding said apparent differences lies in understanding Christ gave some commandments for people in general and gave some commandments specifically for Israel as their national law. When that nation ceased to exist, their national law ceased to exist.

But it requires some understanding of legal principles, which many "Christians" seem to have no knowlege of.  To properly understand Christ's teaching you must understand law and legal principles, since Christ was the law giver through the entire bible.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 18:46 | 688322 Sparkey
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The best posts are often flagged as junk, read the posts flagged as junk!

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 14:42 | 689180 dkny
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I wonder how you reconcile the inquisition or the crusades with that turny-cheeky doctrine (as another called it).

Face it, every group of people banding together given some real or imaginary unifying factor will always look down on other people that aren't in their little clique. Even if you take religion as the unifying factor, you still have groups: there are different strains of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam -- and even then, those groups will be further divided by geographical location, and they might not like each other even though they supposedly follow the same religious doctrine.

Throw into that color, language, etc, and you have a nice big mess. I'm sure an anthropologist could've done a better job explaining this concept of us-vs-them which predates any written word, whether "codified" in a religious text or elsewhere.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 11:53 | 687957 shushup
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Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:13 | 687205 Sean7k
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The La Times is reporting there were no detonators found yet. If that is the case, could this be a case where Jewish extremists were importing bomb making materials? They were addressed to Jewish organizations. There may even be jews in Yeman. 

Are there people who attempt to strike back at us? Yes, can't blame them. We kill indescriminately all over the globe through poisoned foods, economic hitmen, resource and commodity theft and war. We went into palestine and stole people's land and gave it away. How would you respond? 

Hell, we poison our own people for goodness sakes. Wake up and smell the coffee. Just because someone doesn't want to submit to our rules and values and decide to rebel does not make them terrorists. It is unfortunate your friends had to die, but you might want to lay some of that blame at our doorstep- we trained and funded them. Our "Allies" continue to fund them and give them weapons- unless you think they can make them themselves. 

The case that jihad is self defense is not an unreasonable one, if you will get your head unwrapped from the flag and take an objective look.

Disclaimer: I am a natural, white American of no religious affiliation.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:18 | 687216 doolittlegeorge
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"From Yemen" and straight to the Synagogues in Chicago???!!!  Hmmm.  "Talk about a brooding underclass."  I'm with you "in spirit" but that's only because "you are truly going where no man has gone before...nor will probably go again."

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:16 | 687432 JLee2027
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Yeah...every Thursday the Mecca to Yemen to Chicago special shama-lon you ding dongs! 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:55 | 687307 Hedge Jobs
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"could this be a case where Jewish extremists were importing bomb making materials?"

probably not S7 but jewish extremists (the Federal reserve) are importing printer cartiges ahead next weeks FOMC meeting.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:30 | 687370 Lower Class Elite
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Now that was fucking funny! :)

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:24 | 687363 JohnG
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"Hell, we poison our own people for goodness sakes. Wake up and smell the coffee."

For fucks sake, if coffee is poison, I'm a dead man fer sure!


Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:32 | 687571 nmewn
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"Just because someone doesn't want to submit to our rules and values and decide to rebel does not make them terrorists."

"The case that jihad is self defense is not an unreasonable one,"

There's a three drink limit to post here.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:37 | 687578 knukles
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Unless the someone is a citizen, then merely asking the wrong (to be defined term, later) question constitutes treasonous behavior.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 00:07 | 687606 Sean7k
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Ok.Post it now!

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:00 | 687782 Azannoth
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Al Queda does not exist

and certainly did not exist prior to 9/11

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 16:29 | 688201 knukles
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Does at times seem odd that as told by TPTB, that there are only some say, about 30 to 100 hardcore Ali-quiznoes left by virtue of outstanding military and intelligence efforts...the rest been killed, dispersed, murdered, conquered, depressed, fired, dismissed, become redundant, jobs exported, whatthefuckever; the war goes well in the East I hear, Smedley.

So how come they're still such an effective force?  Somewhere, somehow, someonees (plurals) are giving the public poopie juice that don't squarewith reality.  How come the bombs look like a kids fucked up erection sets?  How come its'.... oh fuck, never mind. 
Back to Jersey Shore re-runs....

Did someone say we get to vote again, soon?

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:49 | 687290 High Plains Drifter
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The only "terrorist" are the United States government, the British Government and the Israeli government. Case closed. The term terrorist is some convenient term that is trotted out every once in a while for  effect, similar to insurgent. The Muslim Brotherhood is a CIA/ Mossad/ MI5 front organization. Sure , Muslims are weird about how they do what they do in their countries but who are we to tell them different?  We never should have invaded any country over 911. 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:54 | 687302 Max Hunter
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Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:06 | 687533 Paul Bogdanich
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Not true.  It's not the term "terrorist" per-se it's the "ists" generally.  Communists, socalists, fachists, terrorists and so on.  The ending "ists" has tremendous psychological significance to really stupid people a.k.a. abut 60% of the American population. 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:46 | 687801 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed, no need to have waited around for some catalyzing event before fixing the worst dictatorships in the Middle East.   Shoulda started at the end of Gulf War I, by finishing off Saddam then and there.   A strict no murderous assholes policy had been a good enough basis for opposing imperial japan and nazi germany, then later a whole host of communist regimes.  When the job was done on the latter we should have started taking down the minor nutjobs in the various "here be dragons" parts of the map.   Mugabe is a great example of someone that it would have been strictly humanitarian to remove, and on and on and on, including the Saudis.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:14 | 687971 Walter_Sobchak
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How is killing people humanitarian.  Doesn't matter if its the "good guys" pulling the trigger, its still murder.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 01:04 | 688691 TBT or not TBT
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Lots of innocent people, and GI's(POW's), died in the atomic bomb attacks that ENDED WWII.    The accounts of what happened inb conventional warfare on Okinawa, however are convincing enough as to how much worse an invasion of Japan would have been(five to ten times worse, conservatively).     Lots of examples to choose from in warfare.   In the case of Saddam, hundreds of thousands of outright murders and much cruelty and suffering would have been avoided by simply ending it during gulf war I.   It is tough to make the opposite case, but do give it a whirl!    Ditto with, oh, Pol Pot, or Robert Mugabe, and lots of others.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 13:55 | 688042 delacroix
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no murderous assholes policy? where does that leave israel?

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 01:19 | 688697 TBT or not TBT
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Hmm, pluralistic open tolerant wealthy, healthy and wise Israel, versus poor, intolerant, enraged psycho-states with an average age of 15 years almost entirely supported by western civilisation, and almost entirely insane from rage and dependency.   I'm kind of preferring the Israeli model a a way forward, wishing the palestinians could be somehow encouraged along that path too.   As to their humanitarian record the Israelis are THE models of restraint.   Hardly any other western country, even the preening pacific ones, would tolerate what they've been subjected to for decades on end with such restraint.   U.S. action against such a neigboring psychoterritory would be comprehensive and unapolagetic.    And no, Mexico isn't nearly there yet.   The number of deaths from terrorism suffered by Israelis over the past decades far outstrips, in terms relative to population size for example, the number of deaths the U.S. suffered on 9-11.    Their attempts to suppress the militants in the terrortories are very justified, and the amount of suffering and death directly caused by Israel has been minimal.   The main suffering visited up the various palestinian terratories has been done by the residents of those places.    I mean, the before and after pictures of Gaza, before and then after the Israelis gave it over, are illustrative.   So much productive infrastructure, just looted, pillaged, and destroyed, by the "palestinians" themselves, with help from Hamas and international terrorism and humanitarian funding, a good bit of it from our taxes, via UN dues.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 14:51 | 689194 dkny
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Prepare to be junked by people for which history, numbers, and ratios mean nothing.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 21:24 | 689708 Thee Barbarous Relic
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More people got killed in Neuvo Larado last year than in Israel or Iraq Our goverment could stop, it they don't want to.Disrupt and defraud is the plan

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 21:26 | 689711 Thee Barbarous Relic
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More people got killed in Neuvo Larado last year than in Israel or Iraq Our goverment could stop, it they don't want to.Disrupt and defraud is the plan

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 22:43 | 688581 MilleniumJane
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Here's an even better idea--how about we never create these leaders in the first place?  We have our hands in cookie jars all over the world and we have been messing with sovereign nations for a very long time now.  Dismantle the School of the Americas and stop trying to put puppet regimes into place.  It always backfires.

We should have been trying to fix our country a long time ago instead of spending trillions on stupid-ass military defense that we wouldn't have needed if we hadn't created our own enemies in the first place.  Instead of these idiotic schemes to control other countries' resources, we could have spent that money on humanitarian efforts which would have put more people on our side instead of making them into terrorists.  Gawd, it's so f-ing stupid the more I think about it the more I want to just pummel the next f-ing politician/banker/lobbyist/defense contractor I see.

It just makes me sick to my stomach when I think of the millions of innocent lives lost directly or indirectly and the gazillions of dollars spent on this evil.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 01:32 | 688700 TBT or not TBT
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Communism (was) is actually a worse evil than these weak third world tyrannies you seem to be concerned about ever were.   Indeed, we chose to support some less than perferct characters and regimes to help face down the greater evil of communism(which murdered some 100 to 180million of its own subjects in the 20th century, mind you).    Indeed, at the end of the Cold War was the moment for the U.S. to recognize that while various dictators may have been "our" assholes in power in those awful buffer states, the main point was that they were still first and foremost assholes, to be disposed of right in line after the greater evil of soviet communism was defeated.   But the U.S. wanted a "vacation from history" following the fall of the Berlin wall and the implosion of the soviet empire.    Sometime between Kennan's "long telegraph" and the end of cold war we forgot what the purpose of containment and realpolitik had been:  to ultimately win and continue the advance of representative government across the world.    Saddam offered his head on a silver platter, with full on U.N. approved support for the international mission to stop his armies, and we let him keep it.  Evil is evil is evil.   The humanitarian thing to do was arrest him then, establish western presence smack in the middle of those dictatorships back then.  Get on with it.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:20 | 687353 UncleFurker
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"Learn about actual terrorism, for fuck's sake.  Learn about all the hijackings and bombings and murders and beheadings since long before 9/11.  Read the Koran, read the hadiths, read the texts explaining sharia law (such as "Reliance of the Traveller"), and the writings of Hassan al-Banna that the Muslim Brotherhood and others use to justify suicide bombings."


Sheesh.Anyone would think the dude that blew up the building in Oklahoma was a Moslem the way you're carrying on!


Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:43 | 687384 High Plains Drifter
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McVeigh may have drove a truck in front of the Fed building in Ok City but that truck bomb did not do that much damage to that building. There were bombs inside of that building and they were used to blow the building up. Tim McVeigh was a convenient useful idiot used by the FBI counter terrorism crew to be the fall guy for this job. Let me ask you a question. Have you ever in your life seen a justice system so determined to get rid of a man , in your life. This man was put to death with a minimum amount of appeal, which was unheard of in death sentence cases. Perhaps they wanted to silence someone who could do a lot of talking or, yes or. he never was killed? who really knows.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:43 | 687580 knukles
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Likewise interesting that the videos of the building which were lately released by the government had the 10 minutes immediately preceding the blast removed by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

Same shit, different day, all over again. 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 01:45 | 687670 Cathartes Aura
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good points in your post High Plains Drifter. . .

I wonder, have you read "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace" by Gore Vidal?  he corresponds with McVeigh before his execution. . . it was very controversial at the time it was published (globally), just after "nine eleven" - pretty much ignored in amrka, for "obvious" reasons. . .

would no doubt make a timely re-read about now. . .

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 14:43 | 688102 Oh regional Indian
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Very Interesting CA.

So many red flags over the years, but they were in such remote places (Ruby Ridge/Waco) and done on Survivalists or Supposed religious nut-jobs, that most people could reasonably convince themselves that it could never happen to them.

OKC was a shocker. There is so much evidence (including seismic readings of multiple explosions), enough out there for anyone to see.

It begins to feel like the internet (with whom I share a birthday incidentally), was allowed to grow to this, as a release mechanism. We are all (mostly) considered outliers by the mainstream, for our views. But we help create the meme.

Could it be????

Like that.

So now, some people will believe anything and the rest of us will believe nothing...and that, is a might big chasm.


Sat, 10/30/2010 - 19:42 | 688385 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

I wonder, have you read "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace" by Gore Vidal?  he corresponds with McVeigh before his execution.


reminds me of in cold blood. relationships†

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:28 | 687454 ISEEIT
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Sorry for your negative experiences, do you suppose that we ought to rally behind obama almighty and his merry band of Islam loving tools? Would coddling the Islamist mindset disarm it? Maybe show a little love huh? A goat in every pot might do the trick?

Well that is of course at times other than in times of domestic political crisis, do bear in mind that 'every vote counts' and so of course the day to day operation performs outreach, this now however is panic time; throw the fucking baby overboard! Polling and focus group work indicates that Indies favor a govment' kinda like a big ole' daddy who protects them.

B.O. ain't playing that role so well.

This shit is so amateur, that is reasonable enough considering what an ass backward lefty fuck that he is.

Bottom line?


No surprise.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 00:39 | 687629 SheHunter
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Ever happen to think that if we - the good ole USA- stayed home minding our own business rather than looting and pillaging the resources of third world nations that maybe just maybe we would not anger other nations' citizens to the point of attack.  Wake the fuck up.  WE are terrorists.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 02:29 | 687694 Things that go bump
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Gimme a break.  I welcome jihad.  I'm not willing to stand in line at the airport for one second because of the threat of terrorism.  I will not submit to a pat down on this account.  I won't  take off my shoes for fear of this.  I suspect my chance of being stuck by lightening is greater then my risk of dying by an act of terrorism and I have never taken the risk of being struck by lightening into account in my participation of anything.  I stick out my tongue, my middle finger and thumb my nose at terrorism and homeland security in equal measure and frankly consider homeland security the greater threat.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:48 | 687799 CH1
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I'm really sorry you got junked so many times. Yours is a legitimate case to make.

Where you seem to go too far, as others below point out, is pretending that the US guv isn't full of crap. They are not your benevolent protectors - they are a gang of rulers, like all the rest. The US Founders were a stellar group of men, but any connection between them and the current batch of politicians is quite minimal.

Please check my comment above on the root of the hate.

Back to the US guv: I don't really know that yesterday was a false flag operation, but I am open to the possibility. In retrospect we learn many things that are never seen in the daily news cycle. For example, last year's Christmas bomber was placed on the plane BY THE STATE DEPT. (This was admitted a few days/weeks later.)

The US Agencies are NOT our friends. Sure, some of the people working there can be okay, but in the overall, they are lying rulers, just like all the rest.

Acton was right: Power corrupts... every time, everywhere.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:06 | 687817 malvotron
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Yeah, exploding toner.  That could have slightly injured a synagogue receptionist.... WHAT HORROR!!!

Don't give a F**k srsly.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:11 | 687893 Winston Smith 2009
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No false flag operations are needed. They can get adequate hype content from any terrorist action, adequate to perpetuate an unjustified fear which leads to a destruction of liberties, the development of an extensive police state infrastructure, and massive expenditures to continue the feeding of the military industrial Congressional complex spawned during the cold war.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 11:13 | 688869 Montgomery Burns
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you nailed it!

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 11:14 | 688870 Montgomery Burns
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you nailed it!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:45 | 687280 prophet
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Yeah, $20/month each does seem a bit steep.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 04:50 | 687747 Pondmaster
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I think the white powder is a little nose candy , and the bomb is symbolic of how this whole scam we are in is going to explode . Benny sez "another line please?" The scam in this news is so obvious its pathetic. Oh please masters , protect us from the evil terrorists - B.S. to the extreme !!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:55 | 687065 Azannoth
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All of the 'home grown' Al Queda t errorist in America have so far been .............. wait for it .............. Jewish ?!?!?

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:50 | 687293 High Plains Drifter
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The President of Iran is also jewish but go figure. 150,000 jews live in peace in Iran but they are said to be some kind of evil anti semitic country trying to destroy every jew on the planet. If that was so, then why do the Persian jews remain in Iran and do not leave it? 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:53 | 687808 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed there are jews living in Iran still.    Get back with us when you figure out how to square this with Iran's continuous funding of anti-Isreali terrorists, and the incessant eliminationist rhetoric of the regime and its mullahs with regard to Israel.   This is quite the quandary, and it seems you have gotten hold of a little piece of it.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:22 | 687979 Walter_Sobchak
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iran's problem is not with judaism, its with the murderous state of Israel.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 01:41 | 688705 TBT or not TBT
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Israel wants to exist.  

Iran and Israel's neighbors and quite a few further flung states want Israel to cease to exist, have been keeping at it for decades using, well...gee....war(didn't work, several times)..., missile and artillery barrages, murder, and of course countless man-caused autoexplodiation incidents.    Israel has defended itself with admirable restraint.   Hardly any other big nation state on this planet would have put up with even a fraction as much from neighbors.   Still, those same nation-states that wouldn't put up with such shit for even a day or two manage to pile on to Israel about its excesses, when all it seeks to do is maintain its security.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:56 | 687069 tired1
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I read "places of worship". I thought they meant banks.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 19:32 | 687129 Hedge Jobs
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good one tired! rumour has it that not only are jewish places of worship (banks) being targeted but other jewish institutions such as the white house and mariner eccles building! With Shalom Bernanke about to fire up the printing press sending bombs in printer cartidges is pure genius! 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:51 | 687806 CH1
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Yup, it's back!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:38 | 687259 Triggernometry
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I would have believed it if only they had gotten Dennis Hopper to say it:

"There's a bomb on the plane. What are you gonna do, hotshot, what are you gonna do?"

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:47 | 687260 Triggernometry
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My apologies for the double post

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:52 | 687591 Aknownymouse
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no problem. 


no problem  ;-)

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:51 | 687295 nedwardkelly
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Yeah. I believe this.

Right.. I just say BULLSHIT. Fuck you politicians, I don't believe a fucking thing you say. News reports earlier said it was a bomb, then they said that tests showed no signs of explosives.

Obama says 'initial tests' showed it 'apparently' contained explosives. 'Apparently'? It 'apparently' contained explosives? Here's the definition of apparently: "Used by speakers or writers to avoid committing themselves to the truth of what they are saying". What a fucking shock that Obama might use a word like apparently in this sort of situation.

What a damn shame it is if this is in fact legitimate, because so much asshat security theater has completely desentisized me to it. Apparently I'm a threat if I have a water bottle to take with me on a plane. Fuck you, if that's a threat, anythings a threat.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 00:43 | 687633 Andrew G
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Exactly my feelings - when we get lied to so many times, why should we believe anything the fuckers say, especially such reports full of weasel words.

Fuck you, indeed.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 04:38 | 687732 fredquimby
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From the daily telegraph this morning

At 3.30am yesterday, officers from Leicestershire police who had been asked to check the hold of the UPS mail plane after it landed at East Midlands reported finding a suspect package in a sealed cargo container.

Addressed to a synagogue in Chicago, the parcel contained an office-sized printer cartridge, which had a small circuit board and wires crudely attached, and white powder inside it rather than the black toner powder it should have contained. MI5 was informed of the find, and five minutes later, at 3.35am UK time, the news had been relayed to US President Barack Obama by John Brennan, his assistant for homeland security and counter-terrorism.

Mr Brennan told the president that a “potential terrorist threat” to the US had been identified.

Mr Obama ordered his intelligence and law enforcement agencies to step up security and find out whether the suspect packages were “part of any additional terrorist plotting”.

America was suddenly on high alert, though anyone who happened to be at East Midlands airport at the time would have seen little sign that the provincial hub was at the centre of a possible international terrorist plot.

Police cordoned off the cargo area of the airport as forensics experts were called in to examine the parcel, but the passenger terminal was allowed to carry on as normal, with no disruption to flights. By 10am, tests had established that the “device” did not contain explosives, and the cordon was lifted.

A quarter of an hour later, in the first of several transatlantic phone calls, Oliver Robbins, David Cameron’s deputy national security adviser, spoke to Mr Brennan and told him no explosives were present. They decided the aircraft should be allowed to take off for Philadelphia, its final stop before Chicago.

For the few airport staff who were aware of what was going on, the bomb scare seemed to have passed.

But 3,500 miles away, the second aircraft that had set off from Yemen was being searched after it landed at Dubai International Airport. Another suspect package, also addressed to a Chicago synagogue and sent via another parcel service, FedEx, was intercepted.

This time, the parcel, which also contained a printer cartridge, did contain explosives.

In London, the latest twist was relayed to the security services, who in turn asked Leicestershire police to double-check the packages taken off the UPS plane at East Midlands.

At 2pm, the security cordon at the airport’s cargo area was re-imposed, and this time a Royal Mail depot and other smaller offices were evacuated.

This time, a Hewlett Packard printer was found contained a hidden device that gave greater cause for concern. It was said to be “cleverly disguised” and appeared to have been linked to a mobile phone. Crucially, tests for explosives now came back positive.


You would have thought a white powder was a white powder was a white powder. Unless the first crap device was set as an obvious dummy to be found so the real one got through?



Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:10 | 687820 TBT or not TBT
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5 minute delay from local police authorities in the UK finding a suspicious package to TOTUS being informed?   Generally I'm not a paranoid type, but how about that, huh?

My guess is the TOTUS would find out within five minutes...if NORAD had dozens of ballistic missile launch detections from subs and silos around the world, but five minutes from something odd being detected in the hold of one of many thousands of freight airplanes outside of the US in the middle of the night needs just a bit of context added to it.   E.G. the White House was expecting something like this and had sent out orders to get any such incident reported all the way to the White House directly and unfiltered, ASAP.    Which is fucking bizarre unless they knew very well somesuch thing was underway.   

There is a lot going in the world, and the TOTUS is at the top of one of the world's largest hierarchical organizations.   Obviously very, very, very little of the details of what goes on out there in the real world would ever reach TOTUS, nevermind within five minutes, originating from a foreign police bureaucracy in the middle of the cold damp night local time.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:32 | 687372 benb
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Richard N Hass stated in Club of Rome documents in the early 1990’s; republished two years ago in Council On Foreign Relations documents – "We will use phony terrorism as one pincer to police and control the public and take their rights and the other pincer that we will grab them with is fake environmentalism; carbon taxes to regulate every facet of life."

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:22 | 687445 Oh regional Indian
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Is that really out in print/web, on the CFR's site?

Link please. I know that ...errr.... intentions are always broadcast, loud and clear, but this is pretty wild.

Thanks in advance.


Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:09 | 688084 benb
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As I recall I copied that quote from an internet radio interview on Alex Jones with the very knowledgeable Alan Watt. It’s a reliable quote or I wouldn’t have used it. The Richard Haas quote comes from an article entitled The First Global Revolution published by the Club of Rome 1991. Once one gets the jist of how this global criminal syndicate operates most all these events (or non-events) appear (quite rightly) as theater.

In a separate note I’m really somewhat sickened at this late date that there are still people posting on this board that are too lazy, and or too dumb, to educate themselves as to what False Flag Terrorism is and the undisputed factual involvement of  the US and British government in these crimes.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President of the United States

Or another way:“World events do not occur by accident: They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.”

~Denis Healey, former British Defence Secretary and Secretary of the Exchequer

And these people do mean it literally!



Sat, 10/30/2010 - 02:16 | 687686 Cathartes Aura
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pardon my jumping in the thread here - I did a quick scan through, & it didn't seem as though anyone else had brought up this subject - it fits in "here" rather well. . .

On October 27, 2010, a computer failure emerged at the FE Warren Air force Base in Wyoming. "Mr President we've lost control of FIFTY nuclear warheads"

"Pentagon chiefs were stunned to discover that a U.S. air force base had lost control of 50 nuclear, inter-continental missiles.

A power failure meant that one-ninth of America’s nuclear arsenal went offline for three-quarters of an hour, it emerged yesterday. Minuteman missile: Computer breakdown meant the U.S. Air Force lost control for 45 minutes. . .


Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:17 | 687823 TBT or not TBT
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They lost communication with 50 silos.    The systems are very very old, as are a lot of the warheads..the tritium in them is cooking off and needs to be replaced.   But our current TOTUS would help improve that situation over his dead body.   Our nuke warhead replacement program(with much safer, and dial-a-yield warheads), our strategic defense communications systems, and and our tritium production capability are not as important as rendering large segments of the population dependent on government and the government party, nor are they as important to bowing and apologizing to foreign powers willy nilly.   Every student of history knows how well the latter works, not.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 09:46 | 687881 Uncle Remus
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dial-a-yield warheads

damn near poetic.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 11:49 | 687954 Cathartes Aura
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ah well TBT, the article was offered up in the spirit of false flag notions being discussed, not as "evidence" of anything, apart from incompetence - if looking to strike fear in the heart of a populace, so as to enact even more "security" for the "homeland" one might find a place in the storyline to include this little piece of "drama" as justification. . .

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 13:50 | 688036 Oh regional Indian
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Me thinks a NewClear meme is being re-floated. Remember back in 2007

Interesting times indeed!


Sun, 10/31/2010 - 01:50 | 688708 TBT or not TBT
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Let me doubt that the officers in their buried bunkers lost control of themselves at the same moment they were said to be out of control.   What we had here, was, excuse me, a failure to communicate..electronically.    Some of this stuff is really, really old.    The dudes in the silos still managed not to enter their codes and turn their keys though.    As if the original design for these systems actually took into account a...oh my gosh cold they have ever thought of such a thing way back then...a scenario where communication with the silos was lost.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:53 | 687996 CitizenPete
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Interesting... can you provide a link on the CFR site or a reference document please.  


Most people don't believe the North-woods document exists unless you print it out ans show them. 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:00 | 687523 justbuygold
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Do you really thing anyone believes the goverment lies anymore.  He might even hurt his party chances even more with this charade.  Just pathetic !!!   It was probably a desperate  Barney Frank and Harry Reid that needed the help.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:39 | 687908 99er
Sat, 10/30/2010 - 11:02 | 687924 Betty Swallsack
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Blue Pill Alert...

You have to read it to believe it.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:53 | 687995 caconhma
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America has a very simple choice to make: whether there will be special privileges for Jewish synagogues in Chicago as well as continuous Jewish control over America and its people or it will freedom and prosperity for the rest of America.

America has been terrorized for too long by the Jewish ruling oligarchy. It is enough. America must go to its roots being a land of brave and free!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:17 | 686965 sysin3
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We're doing such a good job that we have to wear shades.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:18 | 686967 Racer
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"Keep the public fully informed"

oh please,  I can't take this statement when I have a mouth full of hot tea and a full bladder and bowel

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 19:18 | 687101 MarketTruth
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Obama keeping the public fully informed? i nearly blew chucks due to laughing so much!

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:43 | 687387 Clark_Griswold ...
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I've read about people stating a pending false flag event before the election,

but Jesus, printer cartridges in a box, is that the best you can do????

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:09 | 687419 MarketTruth
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Well, if these printer cartridges were being sent to the Federal Reserve to print up another $2,000,000,000,000 that WOULD be a terrorist attack (by the Fed on US citizens).

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 22:32 | 687463 Oh regional Indian
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Methinks it is a case of "let us see how ridiculous we can make it and still make the sheep cower".

And as long as the MSM plays along, cower they do. 

Mission accomplished.



Fri, 10/29/2010 - 19:59 | 687180 Missing_Link
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He wants to look tough on terror.  Doesn't mean the Islamist threat isn't real.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 23:11 | 687541 Uncle Remus
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Uh huh. So is the threat of a planet killing asteriod. Put things into perspective.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 06:44 | 687776 AnAnonymous
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Planet killing asteroid is a good one. While people are busy looking up in the skies, searching for the ominous threat, a well placed person, right among them, might find it easier to pick their pockets.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:20 | 687827 TBT or not TBT
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Remember Morgan Freeman s POTUS in Deep Impact telling everyone they would continue working in their jobs, wages and prices would be frozen, and martial law would be imposed?    The ultimate statist control fantasy!  

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 13:39 | 688030 AnAnonymous
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I remember the script writer getting Freeman to tell that...

Actors for most of them are mere interprets...

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 01:52 | 688709 TBT or not TBT
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Sorry, missing apostrophe in my post, between "Freeman" and the letter "s".

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 14:54 | 688116 tip e. canoe
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When Morgan Freeman comes over to greet Obama, the senator begins bowing down both hands in worship. "This guy was president before I was," says Obama, referring to Freeman's turn in Deep Impact and, clearly, getting a little ahead of his own bio. Next, a nod to Bruce Almighty: "This guy was God before I was." 

Read more:

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 00:50 | 687638 SheHunter
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will you stop the BS? There IS no great huge scary dark terror threat.  The supposed threat has been created in order to scare imbeciles like yourself.  Make the masses shiver in fear so they are subservient nobodies begging for protection from big government.  Divert the masses' attention from their dwindling American freedom by scaring the crap out of them.  It's a game dammit.  Wake up and make me just a tad, just a bit, just a wee mite more encouraged that the public has learned to use almost 12% of its brain and can see through this none too opaque ploy.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:59 | 687812 The Rock
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Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:20 | 686971 Max Hunter
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Lot of "terrorism" Jawboning going on lately..  Even the guy that took over for the dead bin laden through his cock in the ring and put out a threat..

Something is coming..  Sheep are straying, the dogs need to herd them up a bit..

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 19:35 | 687134 Confused
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Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:03 | 687332 High Plains Drifter
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The Bin Laden family is jewish, I hate to break the news around here, but I am just sayin........If you do not believe it , then as they say, google it and read about it. It is all out there.  We have a sort of free and open flow of information now, but you had better enjoy it while you still can. One day soon this will no longer be the case. I am wondering though if this whole thing with this Osama idea was just some nonsense cooked up by the CIA, etc. Who knows if such a man really exist. After 911, members of the Bin Laden family were allowed to fly home , even during the stand down of all air traffic.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 01:01 | 687646 theopco
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So true.

And Obama is a Jew

And David Rockafeller is a Jew

And Courtney Love is a Jew

And Ron Paul is a Jew

And Christ was a Jew

And Jews are a Jew

And I am a Jew

And You are a Jew


It's a Jewbilee!





Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:35 | 687793 jimijon
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Always wondered about that. IF, and I am not a big fan of the theory, we all came from the same apes or Adam and Eve, aren't we all Jewish then?


Sat, 10/30/2010 - 13:55 | 688041 High Plains Drifter
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Ok, you may have a point there. I thought I read something about this years ago and so last night I poked around and found the article which is at the end of this posting. However, the assertion that Bin Laden is Jewish would be , at this juncture , hard to prove. So I will leave it at that. But the following link is what I read about it , years ago.




Sat, 10/30/2010 - 07:51 | 687807 nmewn
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"The Bin Laden family is jewish"


So you're saying Osama is the black sheep of the family?...ROTFL.

What synagogue does the Bin Laden family attend in Saudi Arabia?

The principle of the freedom of speech/information is simply this...anyone is free to say or write whatever they wish. This principle does not include the requirement that what is said or written be believed.

Osama is a Wahhabi islamic fanatic who has professed his desire to see the entire world placed under Sharia law, that is, the "prophet" Muhammad's law.

There is nothing Jewish or Christian or Buddhist or whatever about Sharia law. Period. End of story.

Facts and the truth are inflexible things.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:07 | 687819 The Rock
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"Osama is a Wahhabi islamic fanatic who has professed his desire to see the entire world placed under Sharia law"

LOL! You seriously need to stop watching Fox.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 08:47 | 687843 nmewn
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You need to quit reading the comment section on FireDogLake and Huffpo...that shit will rot your brain.

You saying he's not a wahhabi but in fact comes from a nice jewish family (probably with roots from suburban New Jersey somewhere...LOL) as the poster above states?...I didn't think so ;-)

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 09:56 | 687887 The Rock
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You don't know shit about me, so STFU. I don't give a shit about what flavor of Islam you claim Osama is a part of. It's the BS sharia fear mongering that only students of Fox know how to parrot that insults everyone's intelligence here.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:45 | 687912 nmewn
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Thanks for your calm, balanced, fact based answer...ROTFLMAO!

So, in closing, you cannot substantiate the assertion that the Bin Laden family is jewish (even though Osama's father's first name was Muhammad...clearly a common jewish name...LOL) and you cannot refute the fact that he is a wahhabi.

As I said above...facts and the truth are inflexible things. You cannot start with a certain point of view and make the facts bend to your view.

That is delusional...but...thanks for playing anyway's ;-)

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 13:33 | 688025 The Rock
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Who are you talking to, retard? I'm not High Plains Drifter.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 14:04 | 688053 nmewn
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And yet you respond as if you are...the facts aren't on your side so you act like a fuckin punk & run off in another direction just like him.

You both are delicate little pink pansies swaying in the breeze, a real credit to whatever the fuck you were trying to get across...LOL.

Later wuss.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:03 | 688126 The Rock
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Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:42 | 688166 nmewn
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If you have never read what sharia law is you would say that...but we will have to start from it's source.

For you my pretty pink pansy ;-)

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 14:22 | 688075 Oh regional Indian
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This might surprise some: Pure tin-foil credible territory!!!

Who is the Real Ancestor of the Clan of Saud?

In the year 851 A.H. a group of men from Al Masaleekh Clan, which was a branch of Anza Tribe, formed a caravan for buying cereals (wheat and corn) and other foodstuff from Iraq, and transporting it back to Najd. The head of that group was a man called Sahmi Bin Hathlool. The caravan reached Basra, where the members of the group went to a cereal merchant who was a Jew, called Mordakhai bin Ibrahim bin Moshe. During their bargaining with that merchant, the Jew asked them: "Where are you from?" They answered: "From Anza Tribe; a Clan of Al Masaleekh." Upon hearing that name, the Jew started to hug so affectionately each on the them saying that he, himself, was also from the clan of Al Masaleekh, but he had come to reside in Basra (Iraq) in consequence to a family feud between his father and some members of Anza Tribe.

After he recounted to them his fabricated narrative, he ordered his servants to load all of the camels with wheat, dates, and tamman; a remarkable deed so generous that astonished the Masaleekh men and aroused their pride to find such an affectionate (cousin) in Iraq-the source of sustenance; they believed each word he said, and, because he was a rich merchant of the food commodities which they were badly in need, they accepted him (even though he was a Jew concealed under the garb of an Arab from Al Masaleekh clan.)

When the caravan was ready to depart returning to Najd, that Jewish merchant asked tem to accept his company, because he intended to go with them to his original homeland, Najd. Upon hearing that from him, they wholeheartedly welcomed him with a very cheerful attitude.

So that (concealed) Jew reached Najd with the caravan. In Najd, he started to promulgate a lot of propaganda for himself through his companions (his alleged cousins), a fact, which gathered around him a considerable number of new supporters. But, unexpectedly, he confronted a campaign of opposition to his views led by Sheikh Saleh Salman Abdullah Al Tamimi, who was a Muslim religious preacher in Al-Qaseem. The radius of his preaching area included Najd, Yemen, and Hijaz, a fact which compelled the Jew (the Ancestor of the present Saud family) to depart from Al Qaseem to Al Ihsa, where he changed his name (Mordakhai) to Markan bin Dir'iya near Al-Qateef, where he started to spread among the inhabitants a fabricated story about the shield of our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that it was taken as a booty by an Arab pagan in consequence of the Battle of Uhud between the Arab pagans and the Muslims. "That shield," he said, "was sold by the Arab pagan to a Jewish clan called Banu Qunaiqa who preserved it as a treasure! He gradually enhanced his position among the Bedouins through such stories, which indicated how the Jewish clans in Arabia were so influential, and deserved high esteem. He gained some personal importance among the Bedouins, and decided to permanently settle there, at Dir'iya town, neat Al Qateef, which he decided to be his "Capital" on the Persian Gulf. He aspired to make it his springboard for establishing a Jewish Kingdom in Arabia.


For the rest go here: Little ranty, but I've read versions of this story at many places, credible according to my BS filter...scroll down about half way for this juicy bit!



Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:47 | 688169 High Plains Drifter
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I remember reading this stuff years ago. There was a website up with this info on it, but it has since disappeared. I am glad that the information is still out there. I used to argue with Muslims about this but they for the most part refuse to believe it. How can they?  The keepers of all that they consider Holy are in fact a jewish family masquerading as Muslims?  One may wonder why the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia have always had this sort of special and cosy relationship. Also one may wonder why the Arab peoples and Muslims in general never can seem to get any kind of concerted and organized resistance to either the west and/or Israel.  The answer is quite simple. The resistance in Islam , as it is here in the United States is controlled opposition. Until this changes, nothing good will ever come about for the Arab peoples and for the American people for that matter.  One may also ask how and why was the religion known as Islam started. I believe there are salient answers to these questions.  The dots can be connected one by one. The main thing to consider is this. Just because someone looks like a Muslim, dresses like a Muslim, acts like a Muslim and worships like a Muslim, does not necessarily and arbitrarily mean that they are a Muslim.  i think many Arabs are starting to wake up to this and realize they have been had, just like we have.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 00:06 | 688642 Oh regional Indian
Sat, 10/30/2010 - 11:35 | 687940 High Plains Drifter
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"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it."


Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 00:56 | 687643 SheHunter
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..."Sheep are straying, the dogs need to herd them up a bit.."

exactamundo.  nothing more   nothing less

let not thyself be herded.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 13:57 | 688044 High Plains Drifter
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The sheep are indeed straying from the fold , thanks to the internet and the free flow of information.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:23 | 686974 Winterland
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I can't believe that they think people would actually buy this. Shipping packages halfway around the world to blow up a synagouge?



Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:51 | 687045 Max Hunter
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Yes.. Because the are the actually people you are referring to:

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:05 | 687335 High Plains Drifter
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If someone wanted to do that, all they would need is a couple of 5 gallon cans of gas and something to make it more explosive etc or whatever and then go and do the dirty deed. Why risk a failure on such a silly idea shipping it to the United States from a place like Yemen ?  This makes no sense.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:46 | 687389 bigkahuna
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Its just a test. How will people respond (or not respond) if we dooooooo this........

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 01:33 | 687661 QQQBall
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No kidding. +1

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:22 | 686977 thermroc
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Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:50 | 687042 WaterWings
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Robert Paulsen: "It's me! Bob!!"

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 19:18 | 687109 Captain Courageous
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You forgot DEBT IS WEALTH.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 14:06 | 688056 High Plains Drifter
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Al Gore in 1992

Everything that should be up is down and everything that should be down is up.....



Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:22 | 686979 Clampit
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Seeing pictures of this "credible" threat (the wifi card or whatever with sheet metal screws is by far my favorite...) is honestly the funniest thing I've seen all week. Kudos boys.

And I have the plot all figured out too; this is one of the third parties trying to sabotage the election. I just knew those wily libertarians were up to something.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:22 | 686982 Cdad
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"As we obtain more information we will keep the public fully informed."

You know, my mother obviously raised me differently.  For clearly, this afternoon we were lied to so that the market could be lulled into a false sense of security.

And this is part of my real beef with this new, wonderful and modern America.  Listen, we have all lied, sinned, what have you.  But our new breed American lies to your face and then, when busted, lies about his lying.  New Age America is literally pathological and disconnected from ALL reality.

But hey, I hear the white Iphone was delayed and I cannot tell you how bummed I am.

Good grief.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 18:24 | 686985 bugs_
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How can Obama, the Democrats, Leon, etc be doing false flags?  That seems impossible to me.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:03 | 687183 Missing_Link
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Thank you, bugs_.  You could not be more right.

Apparently a lot of the people on these boards have very little experience with actual terrorism and Islamism.  I wish I could say the same; it would be wonderful to still live in that world of blissful ignorance.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:32 | 687246 Bob
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Your tender feelings notwithstanding, it sounds like you're still firmly in that world.  Are you an American?  How could you possibly know so little about this country's actions that you and the poster above you cannot understand respectable doubts about this stuff? 

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 21:48 | 687394 bigkahuna
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They are probably the same person.

Fri, 10/29/2010 - 20:55 | 687305 Lord Welligton
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"it would be wonderful to still live in that world of blissful ignorance"

Can I take it that your ignorance is not blissful?


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