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Obama Will Not Release Dead Osama Pics
And another part of the White House story on bin Laden changes once again, which after promising repeatedly through Panetta to release pictures of a dead bin Laden, has instead decided not to reveal the death pics. We wonder how the administration for which this whole affair is rapidly shifting from a rally around the flag affair to one of losing credibility will then explain the following statement by Leon Panetta: "I don't think there was any question that ultimately a photograph would
be presented to the public. We got bin Laden and I think we have to
reveal to the rest of the world the fact that we were able to get him
and kill him."
In the meantime, BBC provides the following info on what would have been seen:
Gruesome details of photographs showing Osama bin Laden's corpse have been revealed by US officials.
The pictures of the Qaeda leader reportedly show an open gun shot wound to his head, part of the skull missing and visible brain matter.
One of bin Laden's eyes is reportedly open in the images, while the other is "completely gone".
It comes as the White House and the CIA appear to be at loggerheads over whether to release the graphic pictures.
Senior figures in US President Barack Obama's administration are locked in talks about the publication of a post-mortem photos.
It is believed the President has concerns that producing the most identifiable picture of the terrorist chief could provoke a backlash.
He fears doing so may prompt a similar response to that seen after images of Saddam Hussein's dead sons were published in 2003.
And what was that response: validation of a potential lie, because as we all know the administration never lies? We can't wait for the conspiracy crew to go to town on this one.
It is about time for Donald Trump to demand if not the death cetificate, then at least the death pic, and make the farce complete.
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Also, the linking of the moonlanding conspiracy (not real) and the JFK assassinations (real) as conspiracies to detract from the general discussion are, in fact, prototypical of a disinformation troll, perhaps even hasbara.
Trundle,
I appreciate you taking the time to respond at such great length, and your polite if condescending response is appreciated.
All the conspiracy theories are the same. They are unimportant.
I don't know exactly what a disinformation troll is, but I am not one. Life is too short. Try not to use terms like "Disinformation troll" in person around serious adults.
Good luck to you and the other truthers. I find entertaining this kind of twaddle to be lowering the level of discourse around here, but ZH seems to be attracting a lower and lower caliber of reader lately anyway. I'm going to go ahead and not comment anymore, because I don't have any interest in engaging in a ZOMGZ CONSPIRACY discussion which neither of us will be able to win to the other's satisfaction.
Good luck fighting the good fight, guy. Make sure you do it on anonymous online forums, though, and don't get into this stuff around people you need to take you seriously.
I'm not trying to be difficult here- I am just suggesting that there are those who think linearly and don't think outside the box and there are those who do.
If the facts don't fit, the narrative collapses. If the forensics don't support, the narrative is probably not true. It is what any good theorist, gumshoe, investigative reporter or prosecutor does. If the facts don't back up the theory (narrative), the theory collapses. I appreciate that you can't get your head around this and with your admonition, I won't go into this any further.
It was Franklin Delano Roosevelt who is believed to have said:
“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.”
I'll use the quote even though attribution is not airtight, because it makes the point.
Or the adage:
If the shoe fits, wear it.
So the choice is to believe in ZOMGZ conspiracies or be a linear thinker, huh.
Can't we just agree that when, where, and how NORAD shot down Santa's sleigh is of limited importance in the face of other, bigger problems?
Can't we just be friends and agree that anything Osama related is nothing more than a distraction, and whether the powers that be sat on their hands for 10 years before executing the Secret Army Soldiers plan, or sat on their hands for 8 years, put dude on ice, and are now ZOMGZ conspiracy telling the world is totally irrelevant?
There's no point in thinking outside the box if all you concern yourself with is stupid shit..
I don't know what a ZOMGZ conspiracy is- so please enlighten me.
I do think of the events using codes as a possible signaling device to inform those in various intelligence agencies that an operation is being completed or a signaling a new operation is to begin. It probably gives the various intel forces a way of identifying who has conducted what operation. It clearly is a signaling device of some kind. What that is I have no idea.
Pardon my criticism of your strawman argument, but correctly characterizing a linear thinker does not require that there be only two alternatives- that of a linear thinker or that of a ZOMGZ conspiracy theorist (whatever that is). I take it at face based upon your reputation that you are not a disinfo troll, but your constant use of prototypical arguments and tactics (including the strawman argument) of government disinfo trolls is a bit disturbing. But I digress.
I agree that conspiracies can be a total waste of time- but when the entire Northern Hemisphere has been irradiated- and the date of the earthquake and tsunami fits a pattern and various individuals who are quite credible are positing disruption using harmonics, it might be time to try and become enlightened- not the least of which reason is to try and understand the event(s( and maybe anticipate the next matinee show (assuming one can be safely outside the range of clusterfuck).
I'm just trying to piece together independent facts to determine whether there is a theme or set of circumstances that justifies the occurring events. I generally try to independently confirm information from a variety of sources to see if it fits and may be trustworthy or accurate. Your discourse, from the beginning, is suspicious to me and suggest to me you may be one or more of the huge number of government paid trolls who enter a website to mislead and/or disinform/distract. This being your only gainful employment might explain why you might otherwise waste your time in disinformation efforts. You may not be, but that is the vibe you give off.
Osama is not a distraction. This is clearly not random. The totality of the narrative and facts surrounding the issue is simply too staged, too fucked up, too otherwordly. The world is a political stage and certainly this is all theater.
I'm really just trying to understand the significance of the theatre.
I use ZOMGZ conspiracy theories to mean any and all pointless conjecture about what is REALLY going on. Still, I think we actually agree about a good bit.
I think you were the one who said something to the effect of "Do you believe what I am saying or are you a linear thinker?" Whatever, though, then we're both guilty of the straw man thing.
The numerology thing is silly, in my opinion. If the global murder cabal wanted to signal something to each other, they'd just tell each other, whether by sinister robot carrier pigeon, encrypted email, phone, or over coffee at Davos. It would be a lot simpler and less dangerous than risking outside-the-box thinking conspiracy theorists from figuring it out. But they are just hiding it in plain sight! If you take a regular dollar bill and count the number of... zzzzzzzz Yeah, or maybe like, not.
I agree with you, I think, about Fukushima. I think there is plenty of evidence of obfuscation, disinformation, and downplaying of the amount of radiation going on there. The reason for it is simple. The whole world would suffer incalculable economic losses if it came out that the world's most populous city is more or less uninhabitable in whole or in part. That and the fact that the Japanese are particularly obfuscatory and gross at times like this.
This Osama pageant, though, is clearly not important. And similarly, whether Obama is a muslim, born in the US, whether Bush knew about 9/11 in advance. In my mind, these ones are simple: if there were signs that Obama was born in Meccastan or somewhere, but had responsible fiscal policies that would get America on the right track and wasn't starting new wars in Libya, I am thinking the same idiots bleating about Photoshopped birth certificates (WHAT???? The global elites can't muster a REAL fake birth certificate and have to just use Photoshop???) would be still raising hell about that, while you and I would say "Well the dude is going to fix the economy so who cares." The truth is, birthers don't matter. They are vocal, but they simply don't have any bearing on anything.
No one benefits from a faked birth certificate. If the global elites can install anyone to be the President and can plan 9/11, they would just get someone obviously and unequivocally born in the US to do their bidding. This is obvious. Similarly they would find someone whose middle name is not Hussein, and doesn't seem like a Muslim. Not that Obama does, really, except to the simplest minds.
I don't know what you think about Obama's birthplace or religion, but I consider those topics as pointless as conjecture over whether Osama was really killed the other day.
A faked Osama assassination wouldn't matter, really. At the end of the day, we're all happy about it, more or less, and he's basically a symbol anyway. Whether an actual body was dumped in the ocean or not, America has its symbolic closure, and no one will ever know if it was all a hoax. He's just a feel-good story like the kitten rescued from the tree, or the grandma who won the lottery. Did she really win the lottery? Who cares. Your life is the same, but you feel kinda good that nice old lady got the money and maybe you should start playing the lottery too.
As for 9/11 being an inside job, I could not care less. History has decided that bad men from the Middle East did it, and so that is what we must choose to base all rational decisions on. The alternative is being the weird guy at the party that no one wants to talk to. "Hey guys do you know who Alex Jones is" is not a good way to make new friends.
I agree with you, it is important to be skeptical. It is also important to be able to parse what is and what is not important. Osama is just part of the political pageant, and the biggest impact his capture and killing could possibly have is on Obama's reelection. And if you believe that the global powers give a shit which party's leader is installed next, and you believe that their influence doesn't transcend party lines, then it is you who needs to learn more about thinking outside the box.
Both parties have been in the pockets of big money for decades, and they don't need to rely on 9/11, Muslim presidents, and Osama to keep it that way. The American people are far too preoccupied with where the President was born, American Idol, Facebook, beating off to porn, worrying that Obama will take their guns, Call of Duty, the abortion debate, and making enough money to pay rent to do anything about anything in any meaningful way.
The moon landing and JFK assassination snarks were irrelevant to what we are talking about. Sorry.
Thanks for bringing the discussion back to a level of rationality.
By non-linear thinker, I am referring to people who can make associations out of information where the connection is not apparent to most. They can take a piece of seemingly disparate information and place it within the context of something larger, sometimes creative, sometimes inventive. A prime example of this, although I had to use a MSM character is Monk. A lot of the non-linear people think the same way.
I view the connection of dots as an important exercise for me, not because I care about all the seeming drivel, but actually to try to understand the reality, the danger faced by myself, my family and my community and to hopefully provide a context to that danger so that I may recognize signs that something is amiss. Apart from all of the distractions purposely put in my way. Kind of like the animals that move away from the water when they detect a tsunami.
Fukushima is a case in point. Fukushima has contaminated the entire northern hemisphere, contaminated the food supply, the North Pacific fisheries and will increasingly contaminate the water supply. I wish to know that. Benjamin Fulford has had a number of posts on Fukushima. In many ways, Fulford sounds like a nut, until you independently confirm that some of what he says (actually, quite a bit) is actually true and predictive. Odd, but true.
I know the discourse on the numerological signals sounds weird, but it applies to the circumstances. If they keep doing the same thing over and over and it fits a pattern that's recognizable, my approach is to acknowledge the pattern and try to determine how and why that pattern occurs and what its significance is. It may prove critical to my life, my family's life and my community's well being. That's why I think these are signals or communications. And if a signal I wish to know what that signal is telling them/me. If they keep doing the same shit and it fits the pattern I want to know why. Who are these people and why are they using these crazy ass signals. Recently, there have been a number of posts by reliable bloggers who have indicated that the New Madrid fault lines are being pounds by harmonics (HAARP). Does this OBL narrative and related signals suggest that it is time to create a New Madrid earthquake? I think people in the Midwest would like to know. George Ure (urbansurvival) had a post where he was referencing the magnetometer readings at the HAARP facility at the University of Alaska. The readings were significantly more intense than those measured right before the earthquake that gave rise to the Fukushima tsunami. That's important information which may fit the overall data points and signals if manmade.
As you note, most of political discourse is a waste of time. I don't personally care about Obama's birth certificate, other than to note that most of what has been presented doesn't fit, so there is a different agenda, an agenda being sold on absence of information or disinformation with him. He was elected because he sold his narrative which may turn out to be untrue (based upon his birth certificate records), which may explain why he has gone out of his way to hide everything. But I won't waste my time on that because it is irrelevant. They guy has lied about everything anyway.
If the OBL narrative is simply to distract the rubes from the birth certificate, so be it. But if it represents something far more sinister, perhaps a signal to escalate disruptions in various capitals through the Arab world or in Europe, or signal the next false flag or even harmonics disruption (New Madrid), I would wish to try to ferret out that information and know upfront what may be going on.
It's why I theorize.
This is getting out of hand. It's like only one word wide on my screen anymore.
Like I said previously, I think we agree on a fair bit. The OBL situation, the Fukushima situation, all of it warrants a healthy, long look.
But ultimately, as you said, it's about looking out for ourselves and our wives and anyone else of importance to us.
I applaud you for your skepticism if anything. I feel there is a need to pick battles wisely, and I think you and I draw the lines in different places, but we're on the same side of it.
Lunar landing? Please, just tell us where the engine and fuel for the ascent stage of the LEM fits...
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-us-state-department-says-conspiracy-theories-exist-realm-myth#comment-369432
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-us-state-department-says-conspiracy-theories-exist-realm-myth#comment-369471
How did they heat their space suits when they stepped into the shade (-153 cel) then cool their suit when they stepped in to the sunlight (107 cel.)?
Can anyone get the specs on that HVAC equipment? I would love to see it.
I did some work at Alan Beans house in Houston in the 80'S he didn't seem to want to talk much about Lunar stuff but when I asked about a tail hook from a carrier jet he had mounted on the wall his face lit up and he proceeded to talk about his time in the navy at great length and with much excitement.
Now, hundreds of thousands of people have been catapulted from a ship, but few have walked on the moon. What would you be more excited to talk about?
Please note: This all transpired before I wore a tin foil hat.
You do know that vacuum has no heat capacity, right?
That means that that heat is lost solely through radiance, which is very slow. Cooling was the much larger problem, with the source of heat being the body itself.
Also, NASA is the shittiest place to work at on the face of the planet. It has a completely broken corporate culture, and the working conditions are literally third world in many places (especially those areas away from Houston or Cape Canaveral). I wouldn't want to talk about it either.
That is nice. Please, just tell us where the engine and fuel for the ascent stage of the LEM fits.
Go do some reading on the Kennedy silver certificate (and the related executive order). Read Kennedy's speach on the great conspiracy.
Go to www.buildingwhat.org.
Or go back to sleep, my sheeple.
Afraid of a fake?
The WhiteHouse already put out an amateur fake birth cert.
Obama is a fake, so what's the deal?
He's right about this. It will gain nothing to show the pics; you will alientate the muslim world and the conspiracy theorists still won't believe it.
Very true, on the other hand they loose sorely needed credibility.
Alienate the Muslim world? I doubt they would be any more alienated than they already are.
And yet Amerika keeps right on trying.
An "A" for effort at least.
That's seriously ironically funny CD.
ORI
After killing roughly 1 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan, you come out with they don't show the pic because it will "alienate the Muslim world"?
Seriously, do you not see how laughably preposterous your statement is?
Obama is right about everything. March along.
No pics of Osama? Ok then how about showing the pics of Gadaffi's Son and his infant child and his two other children the UN/US killed the prior day to killing Osama. Or maybe some of the thousands of innocent civilians that we have killed, mamed or injured in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Pakistan. So I guess it's just ok for the UN/US to murder innocent lives ?
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.
Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.
Steve was portrayed as jack ryan in the movie patriot games!
You mean this guy:
wikipedia
_Books and Television Series
Dr. Pieczenik developed the lucrative book, television, audio and internet series called Tom Clancy’s Op-Center, Tom Clancy’s NetForce and Tom Clancy’s Commander Series. The net revenue for these projects alone was more than $100 million.
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great, a very realiable source
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He worked with Tom Clancy? That totally discredits him. Great find!
Could we please finance a yemeni fisherman to take a picture of him dragging a gray coffin out of the Arab Sea?
Why, that's exactly like tying dead El Cid to a horse.
It took 20 minutes and the Bin un Leaded stories and images are starting to disappear from the para sites.
Obama sure wanted to release the torture pictures though didn't he?
He just doesn't want to upset his muslim borthers anymore than he has to.
Of course,.. and so the lies continue.
I find the incompetence of this Administration to be utterly stunning! They seem to be particularly gifted at turning every golden opportunity into a sow's ear.
What were 25 Navy Seals doing in the middle of the night in a city of 140,000 people, for 40 minutes? They probably had finished searching 10 room house in 3 minutes. I tell you what they were doing. They were on their knees begging Pakistan Army and telling them we are here in peace,waiting a ride home, showing them a letter from Obama to Zardari that they are here to do Osama Drama and will be leaving home as soon as their ride comes.
I feel like the PTB are taunting us. Lying right to our faces and treating the general populace like a bunch of punks.
Basically saying "WTF are you gonna do about it, bitch?"
let's see the damn bastard!!!
I think the real telling pic is not OBL's but maybe Obama's in his post-mortem speech. His face was showing something, I can't tell which: either he was partly grieving for a fellow moslem and/or not wanting to show any rejoicing, or he was feeling guilt for lying about the whole coverup.
Word, WW.
I noticed that too. It also looks like he spent a lot of time on the phone before his delayed appearance.
"Osama Been Longdead"
"Obama Sin Laden"
"Junk me Bitchez"
*cough* *cough* ah bullSHIT! It seems strange the most wanted man in the world for 10+ years went away in a very anti-climatic way-- immediate burial at sea.
'In other news, the deathers demand proof'-- hahahaha it's like a poorly written daytime drama. The shitshow circus that has become the American dialog can't even be entertaining anymore it's gotten down to cheesy soap opera-like plot twists.
Can't release photos of a dead guy that's still alive...
or a guy who died in a cave 5 years ago
I will fall back on the standard: "Pics or it didn't happen" statement.
This is by design. Plenty of time before the election to let the Deathers take the debate right into the padded cell and refuse psych meds.
Absolutely. The plan is to somehow stretttccchhh this accomplishment so that interest builds to a boffo Nov 2012.
Think: 'Who Shot JR?'
Like I said, they must have screwed up the digital photos while photoshop-in and now cant restore. If pic doesnt fit, must acquit.
So many theories, so little proofs on both sides of the fence. If the whole deal was intended to make us chase our tails instead of thinking about the western economy who's about to go tits up, well, in that case the Obama administration performed superbly.
The burden of proof is on those who made the initial claim. If I claimed to have killed bigfoot, you would want to see the body. It wouldn't be up to you to prove that I did not kill bigfoot.
Google to Steve Pieczenik and listen to what he says about Obama, Bush and Osama bin Laden. If you don't know who he is, he is Jack Ryan the character in Tom Clancy's books. He's the real deal.
Google to Steve Pieczenik and listen to what he says about Obama, Bush and Osama bin Laden. If you don't know who he is, he is Jack Ryan the character in Tom Clancy's books. He's the real deal.
Google to Steve Pieczenik and listen to what he says about Obama, Bush and Osama bin Laden. If you don't know who he is, he is Jack Ryan the character in Tom Clancy's books. He's the real deal.
or just go to infowars.co and listen to the alex jones show! amazing relevations! steve is on now!
I was never a truther but this stuff is unbeleivable. This guy better go to an Attorney General and Testify
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
BITCHEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The interview was remarkable.
Say what you will about Alex Jones but Infowars actually engages in the brand of muck raking journalism that seems to have died out in the MSM. There is a reason that people are turning away from the MSM and it ain't just "free".
Do these terrorist bastards give Christian rights to folks before they behead them on camera? We should have taken the body back to New York and entombed it like Lennin in Moscow -- for everyone to visit and pay a dollar. Leave the bullets in his head and give people a prize if they can guess how much he weighs.
Out of "respect" we bury at sea. Really, so we killed him out of "respect"? Oh, because he was muslim - but not really, because if he represents muslims then this would be a religious war. Screwed up logic.
Yet the muslim clerics said that it is disrespectful to dump the corpse into the ocean. Oops, another hole in the charade
Anyone who believes this is a fookin moron.
This is one BIG LIE. Team america fuck yeah. We killed obama, and we don't need no fuckin evidence. Just like 911, wmd, and on and on and on.
ONE BIG STAGED EVENT.
Obama is already taking the 5th.
He says he never saw (with his own eyes) how and when Osama was killed.
The Obama administration is already in damage control mode and they're all CYA.
Isn't that the same Panetta who said "Mubarak will be going today" hours before Mubarak's defiant "I am not going" speech?
Clueless, stupid or just terminally out of the loop? Hey let's make him SecDef!
We could have saved his body in the Smithsonian, next to the egyptian mummies, and cut off his penis and put it around his neck in total mockery so the killing would act as some sort of deterrent.
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
May 4, 2011
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
where is WikiLeaks when you need them?
Accident on the freeway and driver decapitated. Tree falls in the woods and makes a sound. Don't believe it unless you see it? To the sick crowd demanding proof of a sun to justify sunlight, suck it. And to the writer of this article acting like there's been some significant "promise to provide photos" as if it's been more than 72 hours, time to come down from your cocaine fueled expression of instantaneous gratification.
No Need for photos, dead, not dead, previously dead whatever.....
WMDs in Iraq. Don't believe it until you see it? You're a fucked up and sick in the head conspiracy nut.
Haha....Obama Bin Lyin...
....what, again?
Not so fast, legal boys.
The case called "Osama" is not closed yet. FBI's poster is still there:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden
Legally - as of 4-th May 2011 - Mr. Osama bin Laden is ALIVE.
There is an OPEN CASE with the file in FBI and in Attorney General's office. The law (do You remember this word?) requires AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT about Osama's death. Where are all these staff: Osama's death certificate, medical documents, burial document, navy/witnesses' claims etc.- to close the case? Criminal law's procedure REQUIRES any evidence or proof (including the photos) to be included (if it is available to US Gov) in this open case file - to be closed.
Where are they?
In many parts of the world, Osama would have had a tire thrown around his head and set afire. But in the West political cowardice rules.
Official Barama statement, the WhiteHouse:
was shootin some hoops with my bro's, after winning 99-0 we took a smoke break and I decided I was going to get OBL. So I snuck out the back jack and flew to the OBL compound in the dead of night while giving navy seals my instructions. Short n sweet, I tapped OBL between the eyes when he raised his arms resulting in a fatal lobotomy. AirForce 1 had a little turbulence causing me to be late for the grand news unveiling. So listen here folks, I saw the OBL, I killed the OBL and that's it. You don't need no stinkin pictures.
Obama bin Lyin' needs to get some better PR folks. This thing is going to blow up in his face faster than you can find O'biden's hair plugs. Get a hold on things Barry.
Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik mentioned that saddam husein was never executed, rope around neck was photo op, and that saddam is actually hidden in the orient!
Uhhh, no. There was cell phone video taken of the execution. His neck snapped.
It's just no fun when the truth is the truth.. ;)
Link please?
[Edit] Never mind ... found it in yesterday's Alex Jones Show.
Question for Godfather Corleone Panetta (“an offer he can’t refuse”): Please describe the threatening move that OBL made that discouraged the prospect of taking him alive.
He threatened to spill the beans on the CIA? The whole thing is a farce anyways.
Yes, BTTH. "Bring to troops home." Close most all the overseas bases. Address the probs IN the USA. Before it all implodes. Jail the bankers. Cut funding for the MIC. Raise gas taxes to fund universal single payer health care for all. (Decent trade off most Americans would welcome, I think.) Outlaw lobbying funds for Congressional nitwits. Impose term limits. Potus gets one term, five years ONLY. Trash the Fed. Back the dollar with gold. Send GWB to the Falklands permanently to share an apartment with Rush Limbaugh. Ban Fox news. Apologize to families of those we have killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, elsewhere. Cut off military aid to Israel. Tell the Likud and settlers to go fuck themselves. Etcetera.
hahaah what a fucking farce....no credibility whatsoever.
1. WH stories changed 2 times
2. false photos circulating
3. "body dumped at sea"
4. inconsistent statement about dna evidence
my word, who would believe this?!
oh yea the sheep. THE US DIDNT CAPTURE OR KILL BIN LADEN. America needs to start living in reality....
More like they've changed it 10 times. First he was killed the previous week and they waited for the DNA. Then he was killed that night in a firefight. Then he had no gun. Then they had to give him a proper sea burial within 24 hours to respect Islamic tradition. Then they had to dump him at sea to prevent his burial site from becoming a terrorist shrine. He used his wife as a human shield and she died. Then he didn't use her as a shield and she was only shot in the leg.
The timing of "finding" and "killing" Bin Laden right now have nothing to do with giving Obama a bump in popularity as many have speculated. If that is true they would have waited till closer to the elections. The real reason is that now that enemy #1 is dead, we can pull troops out of Afghanistan and into the Middle East. "Bin Laden" merely became a propoganda tool, a card they were holding until the right time. Ground troops in Libyia. That's what this is about.
Apparently, releasing photo(s) is not considered politically correct.
Yet..
SADDAM FULL EXECUTION (HANGING)
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v193311w8ZTcCNh
I smell bullshit.
Point is not if it's true or not true it's if a photo will satisfy a need. OBL killed and you see photo. Then what? You're justified? Complete? Ask any family who's lost a loved one how they feel when the killer is sentenced and they witness the proceedings and their loved one doesn't come back. Same answer. There's no payback. OBL not killed. What are you going to do? Interrogate the photos? Find the photo-shopped shadow at six o'clock? Then what?
If you believe al quada is make believe propaganda than a real dead or imaginary dead OBL is only the death of such propaganda, nothing more. If you believe a terrorist group did or did not just rightfully lose it's "leader", than it will not fundamentally change the future actions of said terrorist group as terror will either happen or it won't, regardless of who's killed/not killed or who's photo you see or don't see.
Photographic proof of dead villians do nothing to alter the course of reality. Pay attention to what's in front of you.
Answer this one question:
How did they manage to land those choppers in a city of 140,000 people and engage in a firefight for nearly an hour and no Pakistani police or military show up to find out what's going on? The compound wasn't out in the remote desert. There is a major military base nearby and a police station a few blocks away.
Have I related my alien abduction and implant yet?
I want to see the helmet cam action from the POV of the SEAL member that went up to the third floor and plugged him.
It would be riveting, no?
Then my alien friends could see it too because my implant broadcasts whatever I see, hear, and feel to them.
They really like ZeroHedge BTW.
Like I said, Osama refused the photo shoot, so they killed him. Thats the new government policy for long-term unemployment. Don't take the job - we kill you.
They were just testing to see how the sheeple will react when it becomes law; before we're all moved to a work camp.
here, for those interested in the missing images of
death. ( audio file ).
Tuesday May 3 12:00pm
http://archive.wbai.org/
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Chris Hedges' Columns
‘Death and After in Iraq’
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_body_baggers_of_iraq_20110321/
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.."The members of the mortuary unit were shunned by the other Marines. The stench of dead flesh clung to their uniforms, hair, skin and fingers. Two members of the mortuary unit began to disintegrate psychologically. One began to take a box of Nyquil tablets every day and drink large quantities of cold medicine. He was eventually medevaced out of Iraq.
“Our cammies would be stained with blood or with brains,” she said. “When you scoop up the meat it often would get on the cuffs of our shirts. You could smell it, even after you took off your gloves. We weren’t washing our cammies everyday. Your cuff comes to your face when you eat. Physically we were stained with remains. We had a constant smell like rotten meat, which I guess is what it was since often the bodies had been in the sun and the heat for a long time. The flesh had gone bad. The skin on a body in the hot sun slides off. The skin detaches itself from the layer beneath and slides around on itself.
“Our platoon was to the Marines what the Marines are to much of America: We did things that had to be done but that no one wanted to know about,” she said. “The other Marines knew what we did, but they did not want to think it could happen to them. I had one female Marine in my tent who would talk to me. The rest would not give me the time of day. The Marines in Mortuary Affairs knew that any day could be our day. Other Marines, who have to go out on the convoys, who have to get up the next day, have to get on with life.” "
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SSDD.
President Obama Receives Transparency Award But No Press is There to See It
lastest talking points
US officials: "bin Laden would have had to have been naked for the Seals to allow him to surrender"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8492908/Commando...
(that sounds like something that could have come from Robert Chambers' defense team )
The wheels have come off of this story and they are now grasping at straws. Pure desperation.
Anybody left believing in the US Gov't "official" version in the year 2011 is a total and complete moron.
Dollars anyone?
Lets compare: one unarmed 54-years old muslim - stands for ten years versus Largest Empire with 1 million arrogant army, navy, air forces, helicopters, tanks, hundred sattelites, spies, guns, radios, radars, rockets ..... and after that shame the armed navy can not capture him unarmed - alive.
Who is the David and who is a Goliath in this biblical picture?
Which side is God on?
Obama is ridiculous. It will get released some how. If bin laden's friend post a video of a Daniel Pearl beheading we can show the corpse.
How about a picture of his dialysis machine?
Assassin Obama riding a wave of self admiration slides behind the scenes with the Bernank to resume waterboarding the dollar.
While I think the US government has handled the
post-killing pr extremely badly, I have no doubt that
he was killed. After all, where did the bullet wound in his wife come from
why would his daughter say that she saw them kill him?
I have just seen - via my computer- on-line video with the Governor of California murdered at least 10 people. It was very sharp, "I beleive unaltered" pictures and video. Do I need to call a police?
Skip calling the police. Re-take that ESL class.
Be the Seal who's locked on, confronting the target who's victimized your country. Hear the discipline in your mind, the repetition of process that's formed your abilities to function as a warrior and allows you to disassociate yourself from emotion. Know your code. Know your mission. Here the words of your commander saying "kill the bastard". See the face of horror looking back at you, piercing your soul. Process this information and think of 911 and everything since concurrently and in less than a moment.
This isn't Rodney King. This isn't an episode of COPS. This isn't the NFL, toss a red beanbag and go to the replay. And it's certainly not Rome thumbs up thumbs down let the mob decide.
It's a mission. It's a man. It's a moment. It's an outcome and it's justification comes from the reality of it ALL from beginning to end over a ten year period. Editing and singularly examining components of the ten year event is irrational.
Get up and walk out when the movie says "The End". Next.
Who? Who ordered "to kill"? This order violates a dosen of international conventions, UN conventions, Human Rights declaration and finally the Bill of Rights of the United States of America - the part of first written Constitution in the world, on which all modern law is based.
Who was that person?
It is the will of Allah.
That's pretty much a given.
The story of these recent events play more Ike a commercial for the newest version of Call to Duty.
The same preisdent who criticized waterboarding alleged terrorists (not convicted yet)and was ready to have CIA agents prosecuted - now he gives an order to kill an unarmed alleged terrorist(not convicted yet)?
The government likes your kind
pictures? we don't need no stinking pictures
Whether or not OBL is no longer a living breathing sentient being or not is almost moot as the Empire has declared him dead in a most public manner. OBL served the Empire well and the declaration of his demise marks the end of his direct service to the needs and goals of the Empire.
His likeness will no longer be featured prominently on the facade used to justify the MIC and State security organs. He had grown long in the tooth, the value of the paint needed to maintain his place on the facade exceeded his usefulness to the needs of the Empire, even when adjusted for inflation. Even the very facade of the global war on terror is looking a little low rent these days.
Look for some facade renovation, giving greater prominence to resource wars, domestic civil unrest and terrorism.
Photo or no photo, it makes not a shit-pot's worth of difference. Because at the end of the day, whether OBL has been dead for 10 years, dead for 10 days or is alive and well banging Kate Middleton in the honeymoon suite, the wars aren't going to stop, and I'm not getting the freedoms back that I've lost just since 9/11.
things i'm willing to believe:
i) he was shot up so badly that there is no way from any picture to be able to say its him, they literally blew his head off
ii) he has been dead for awhile, but they were trying to get a few other terrorists before word leaked, but the combination of killing Quadaffi's son and the firth certificate fiasco made them choose to release the info now
iii) they have no idea where he is, but assume that at this point he must be dead - if he comes out of hiding, we will say that our plan all along was to fake his death so he would have to come out of hiding so that we can get him then
iv) he is in prison somewhere - never to be released, but its most convenient for everyone to believe he is dead
what i don't believe
i) dumping the body at sea had anything to do with martyrdom - either a person has created an aura that will make his followers turn him into a martyr - or he won't. the lack of a body will not prevent him from becoming a martyr if that's what he is - I suspect most muslims don't view him as a martyr, and those that might, are too busy preparing to kill us to take the time out of their dayjob of killing us to martyr a man so they can hate us more - so they either dumped the body because it had been destroyed beyond any recognition or they don't have it, or he is a prisoner
And we leave you with words from our President - March 13, 2002:
Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --
THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.
Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.
So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.
And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.
Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.
Here’s Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:
This biblical event shows up : the american people now has nothing common with the Founding Fathers of the USA.
Amen.
Don't be suprised when a 'leak' confirmes that Bin Ladden was actually killed 8 years ago, and not revealed so USA has a war to fight for a few more years.
Who in their right mind would dispose of a body in the ocean (cover up), only a few hours after killing him? That body was the only proof of Bin Ladden's death.
This, from the same fraud, who had no qualms about the world seeing the video of the Daniel Pearl beheading, or even the underwear headdresses at Abu Grahib. But, in his defense, I know Osama is dead. If it were a ruse, or hoax, or any uncertantity existed, Obama's choice of pronoun would be us, we, they, not the very proud I, ME, Mine. I'm glad that President George W. Bush will not join in Obama's victory lap.
his 12 year old daughter made a public statement in front of the pak press about his death which she witnessed in the house that night. So an occular witness, a minor, has given evidence to the world about her dad's death.
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Seriously guys [that is to say, most who posted], the tarnished silver you caress is affecting your braincells.
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+2 ...your boobs + the silver dream!
Looks like a rear end taking a poop to me.
Tarnished ot the point that they believe anything the government tells them without proof needed
Muir,
You’ve got to learn to think outside the bra. Here, I’ll give them…er, you a hand. If the government or MSM says something, YOU NEED PROOF. If Alex Jones or Webster Tarpley says something, bet the house, farm, silver stash, ammo, freeze-dried turkey tetrazini stores, and your first born son on it. They are incapable of being wrong, and certainly must have an intelligence apparatus that would be the envy of the CIA, MI6, Mossad, the ISI, the old Rothschild group, and even Basil Zakharov.
Then, no matter what proof the USG or MSM give you, it is, of course, not enough. And just like your avatar comes in pairs, so do conspiracies. Osama bin Laden, aka “Tim Osman, known CIA Operative”, both died in 2002, and is still alive today. See think linear, but realize than time is circular, so he can both be dead and alive at the same time. And 911, well that was CIA/Mossad. It was also Bush and the Carlyle Group. Furthermore, it was a Rothschild/Soros plot. Finally, Putin and the Russians did it. Each of these have been stated with absolute authority in comments on ZH.
Oh, and everyone is asleep, except those who listen to Alex Jones and the others on the Moonbat Convention Circuit and Wingnut Radio. Of course, if you are familiar with your avatar in a biblical sort of way, one can excuse you for taking the occasional nap.
Eh, who cares?
FWIW I think it's a SAD fucking day when the American public must question every "truth" the government puts out there, checking and crosschecking for ulterior motives. This is the same Govt. BTW that is responsible for managing nearly every aspect of our lives and livelihood. Imagine living with a spouse that treated you this way; fuck that is what you'd say. That Bin Laden is dead I have no doubt, however I guess the transparency of the Obama administration must have gone parabolic transitory.
I believe he died. Around 5 to 10 years ago
The jackals grow bold on this post today.
The scent of carrion has their dander up.
Now, I do not believe he is dead. He was for years an Alli of the US helping us to fight our wars. Possibly a part of the CIA.
I now do not think the killed him. He is now probably under US Government protection with a new identity and possible plastic surgery to change his appearance.
This issue being left so vague is meant to distract us from the real issue, which is Obama's Natural Born Citizen discussion. Plus, it is to distract us from the massive Dollar drop and the theft of American Citizens.
Yes, I have a great investment in tin foil and make hats for my own pleasure.
CIA friends usually find them-self six feet under
ABC showed inside of the house and bed room and showed medicine over the side shelf. Osama was diabetic with non-functional kidneys. Needed dialysis every week. In that ABC footage there was no medicine or anything related to diabetes. How can these people think the whole world is fool?
They did found tone of electronic media, flash drives and 6 computers. WTF he was an IT consultant?
No phone or internet connection either. Just a bunch of computers sitting there with information on al Qaeda members.
Osama is poolside in Buenos Aires drinking a pina colada.
to many things don't add up.
(1. Gov. said no elec. or computers or phones
question why the Big Fu*ken sat dish in the yard from the intel. pic.
(2. Gov. said need to wash him.
question why wash him then throw him in the Ocean
(3 gov. said proof in the DNA
question how it only takes couple hr. to confirm DNA. when it usually take a week in most cases.
No pic No body ....and i believe in the toothfairy
Don't forget, they killed him in Pakistan, flew him by chopper to Afghanistan, then had to fly the DNA back to the FBI lab near DC. The flight time from Afgh to DC is is 15 hours. Yet they were able to do all of this and complete the DNA test in less than a day.
Like most people here, you are confusing a very complicated process---DNA sequencing---with a relatively quick and simple process---DNA matching.
They did not say no electricity. They did say no direct internet connection (though a long fiber optic cable to another site seems to have been there). They did not say no satelite dish or TV. Washing the body is part of the Islamic burial ritual, and would have been done even before a burial at sea. Do not confuse DNA matching with DNA sequencing. While the latter takes time, the former can be done very quickly. Since the USG probably had no interest is determining ObL’s propensity to develop heart disease or go bald, the sequencing wasn’t a priority.
As for the picture, I might speculate from your comments, and their lack of credibility, that you would call photoshop anyway. The people for whom ObL's death is truly significant---his family, Ayman al Zawahri and other al Qaeda leaders---know the truth. Whether or not you believe is, I suspect, of absolutely no importance to JSOC, Obama, the CIA or anyone involved in the operation.
Clearly you just have a need to not believe, and it clouds your intellect and logic. Enjoy your conspiracy.
Another Jessica Lynch moment. Only a fool will believe this one. Midnight in a quite sleepy town. Two very noisy Apache helicopters hovering above. One crashed among houses another has its engine running full throttle only 1500 feets away from army Garrison for forty minutes and no one noticed. Any human with IQ50 or above can figure out this is all Drama with the help of Army and police.
Not very erudite, but here goes : 'Obama is a complete tosser'. There, I feel better now.
With a non-American father, is Barry Soetero even allowed to be president (a natural born killer...oops, freudian slip...I mean citizen
I think I've figured it out. This is all a ramp up to the Truth for PM's campaign. You too may be enlightened for $1999.99 payable in Gold/silver Eagles only some terms and conditions apply. Throw in your Glock and we will put you at the bottom of our PM hoarders terror watch list.
This just in...autopsy of Bin Laden confirmed.
The supervising pathologist who examined the remains, a doctor Nick Riviera was heard to remark, "Hello frozen body!"
When they killed Che, everybody got their own "Trophy picture" with the corpse. This is SOP. Why was SEAL team 6 so bashful? Who doesn't want to be a part of history. Just like those soldiers at Abu Garib.
I realize that this note is out of context for the topic here. It must, however, be stated that I have never been so embarrassed as an American as I am today, as it was the first occasion for me to see our First Lady dancing to a piece of popular music. I was ashamed by her performance, as she has stated that she was herself ashamed to be a American, before her husband was elected.
Michelle Obama should be mortified to call herself a black woman, lawyer or not. The purported 'first black lady' does not have the soul of a female lawyer, much less that of a modern negress. Her movements are as stiff and whitebread as those of a nervous Vassar College freshman. Neither does she possess rhythm, which should be natural to her demographic class. Michelle Obama is a freak of nature, neither really nigger nor American.
I have more natural soul in my single right foot than the First Female of this geographic division. Being a 57 year-old singer/dancer from New Orleans, I can dance circles around Alice the Goon. Oh, I should realize that I'm not a Member of the Bar. Sue Me!
And.... what is next? Maybe the jewish financial mafia around Obama will ban the following pictures:
http://netinews.net/the-passion-of-the-christ.html
or this one:
http://kinobank.org/view_image/movie/4029/1245/
or this one:
http://epitemnein-epitomic.blogspot.com/2011/04/beyond-taunts-to-resurre...
.. or they will ban a cross in churches?
We are not like Obama and do have the Real Osama Dead Picture: http://tinyurl.com/3poft9h
EXCLUSIVE! The Man Who Killed Osama Bin Laden! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIBJZm8J8KE
"I put two in his heart, one in his Computer" says Bruce. Coincidence? 5/3/2011 - Yahoo News? "Bin Laden was shot in the head and in the chest during the encounter." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110503/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_bin_laden_raid
A witness account says current Bin Laden's death story is BS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW7OywJlT8o
Thus "The Bruce Story" "I put two in his heart,? one in his Computer" is still the correct one.