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Speaking of Corexit.
http://g4tv.com/videos/46971/BP-Oil-Spill-Effect-on-Wildlife/
This is an excellent video, for beyond showing/talking about the effects of the dispersant, it was created to reach the very much mindless, i-product consuming, advertisement-addled, overmedicated ADHD youth of today. I was shocked at the seriousness, gravity and open-minded approach of the host. Highly recommended, esp. the last few minutes of the clip.
1:55 "The oil the boom doesn't absorb, the birds will. Everything's fine BP, they got it. Mother nature's got this one."
An absolutely wonderful comparison of apples and bedposts that says nothing. You don't even describe the damage done by the volcano.
Agreed.
GW you have done the best work on the oil spill by any one person hands down. Thank you.
Agreed, for ZH. I find the Oildrum offers wider coverage, and more in-depth analysis, but time constraints limit me to ZH. Well Done GW, please keep posting and giving the ZH community, Bitch.
Sorry to disagree, but theoildrum.com gets my vote. More substance, less drama.
The key term was "one person". Theoildrum.com has many people working on the site including some paid staff and some staff that are compensated by their university/think tank/whatever to work solely on the oil drum.
But I agree that www.theoildrum.com is an excellent place to get information.
Okay, if the key word is "one person", then "Heading Out" gets my vote. He posts articles at theoildrum.com.
Regarding corexit, the EPA has found in preliminary testing that it is less toxic than oil.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/30/AR2010063004358.html
As to one of the reasons why corexit is being used:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-microbes-clean-up-oil-spills
Corroded Disconect will not be able to comprehend that the information has been available for some time. Thanks for trying to help with the education of the floundering ignorant.
"....that the information has been available for some time."
Please supply the link to the actual chemical composition of corexit. Not a list of ingredients but the actual chemical makeup. Or are you referring to the manufacturers own testing? Or maybe their funded "independent" testing? Of course they wouldn't lie about this, now would they? So tell me again why other countries ban it's use?
I remember reading that one component, very small, was this
(1E,6E)-1,7-bis (4-hydroxy-3-methoxyphenyl) -1,6-heptadiene-3,5-dione
Maybe that was listed on Before it is News. Is that safe?
Ummmm ... has it banned in a lot of other countries? I must know before I can answer you.... or, on the other hand, formulating an answer might possibly be above my pay grade.
CD, apparently the "proprietary organic sulfonate" is top secret.
Yes, therefore it must be a deadly toxin.
Can someone please be a dear and post the chemical structure of Coca-Cola? Thanks. <Hugs>
Tell us about it Jimmy, or, are you just being a smart ass??
I was being analogous. Biden, is that you?
- Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, just when I started to like you, and you come at me with this Biden shit.
Hey man, you called me a smart ass! When I'm cornered, I go for the jugular dude.
Sorry Jim, didn't realize i had you cornered.
I've read "Heading Out" and I agree with your assessment that the technical information he gives is excellent. Still like GW's overall take.
And if this is the same EPA that told the NYC residents and rescue workers the air was OK after 9/11, I'll wait for independent testing of corexit. Ops, there won't be any. Guess I won't trust the EPA or the makers of corexit.
And there are other chemicals that are known to be relatively benign that could be used instead of corexit. It seems BP is getting corexit cheap because it's been banned in many countries.
+1000
I concur.
All of us are culpable because we partake of petroleum culture, but who do you have to be that you are willing to cut corners to turn a buck quickly, and risk this? You are out of touch with life itself. The CEO should have been up there on the stand crying, begging us to forgive him, and currently on a suicide watch. That would be a reasonable response.
So I am angry. Anger is an emotion that often shields fear, and comes from a protective place. I am not ready to be sad yet. Sad is resignation on the road to acceptance. I don't accept this.
Take care of yourselves. I am 300 miles from this thing. I have family near it. There is much to think about.
MsCreant, clearly you have never spent significant time in the so-called third world. I have, and it is not pleasant. Try living in a hut, without electricity, unable to afford gasoline, suffering from hea and cold, choking on the smoke from your wood fire, and barely surviving day to day due to low crop yields on your farm because you cannot afford fertilizer, made from petrochemicals. For Billions of people on this planet, this is their everyday reality.
There is nothing wrong with using oil to improve our quality and longevity of life. The Criminal Incompetence of BP does not invalidate that petroleum is still the best source of energy until we discover something better. Until we find an alternate form of energy that yields calories at a lower cost, we need oil.
I empathise with your situation, and I also hate what is happening in the gulf. But do not let the disgusting Obamanation manipulate your emotions to enrich his buddies and himself via carbon taxes. If the president really cared, he would have devoted far more resources to the gulf clean up long ago. He wants you to suffer so that he and his cronies can profit.
Russki, living in the "third" world as I do, I disagree.
All the sickness and dependency that the rural poor now face, has been thrust upon them.
They did not need petrochemical based fertilizers for 10,000 years. They still don't.
In fact, nothing the west has wrought/brought to the world has any lasting benefit. Not western medicine, not western engineering (not the way it is today), clearly not western culture. White sugar, white salt, white flour.... at every level. Planes, trains, automobiles... explosive, life-disruptive, all of them.
I think the west just needs to sit back, relax, take some time off "helping" the rest of the world and take stock of themselves.
We will all be much the better off for it.
Can you please call it all back?
And help me put a genie back in it's lamp?
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
I'm not here to pick on you russki, but perhaps to suggest that "third world" peoples have farmed for centuries without petrochemicals poisoning their soil. . . there are ways to grow food organically, but of course, one needs to build up the soil, and THAT is not easy when your environment suffers massive pollution from "first world" exploitation. . . yes, those people are often ignored because their "governments" are bribed by corporate policies that take little notice of indigenous peoples.
this is something that is being brought home here in the Gulf of Mexico - how fucking helpless "we" are to do anything in the face of corporate-governance. . .
I found this video today, it's a 10min narrated flyover of the current situation in the Gulf. . . it's truly massive, and hardly what is being reported. . .
http://bpoilslick.blogspot.com/
Kudos to you George Washington, for keeping us all up to date, and trawling the press when some of us just don't have the stomach for it. . .
If all people farmed as the third world people do there would be mass famine. I guess there would be more bugs eaten as they are picked off of the crops by hand. I can believe that you would find picking bugs off of potato plants a challenging and rewarding exercise, but most other would not.
When the Tsunami hit Bangladesh was the response from their third world counterparts overwhelming? Or did the industrialized prosperous countries give more assistance? Why was Yemen so stingy?
I really like it when those indigenous peoples sue someone to get better food supplies and health care. From what I can tell, they also like to use electricity for lights. They hold some celebration somewhere then hurry back to the mobile home, not the hut. Why cannot they be forced to stay pure in following the traditional ways?
- over population is a bitch, thanks to oil, and our so-called "educated" and "enlightened" civilization.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpAxV6uUxsM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGxBizeiL3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wiRhVzsXFM
Mao had a unique but effective way of dealing with overpopulation.
Great Leap Forward
Actually, Mao had a terrible way of dealing with overpopulation. Here in China it's possible to see the 50-year old plus people, many of whom look haggard and worn down. And I'm told they're not really in their 50's, they're a lot younger. They've lived the communal life and it shows. They also overproduced males. Many, many male babies. The government's working to fix this, except their first-line policy seems to be aquiring more oil.
- apparently, we have enough rope to hang ourselves.
Rope is plentiful and abundant.
Great visionaries like Mao, not so much.
Having more living humans is not a Bitch. They are a blessing. Oil was not a resource until someone figured out how to produce and use it. When refined into kerosene it replaced whale oil. Then Spindletop came in and someone figure out how to use it to create motive power. No more horses. A tractor only eats when it works.
You can follow the example of that family in Argentina who were so devoted to the GoreBot message that they all killed themselves to save the planet. There are many different reasonable cost alternatives for energy supply. The pols have obstructed the use.
You sound like a truly ignorant religious fanatic. Most human beings are disgusting and a foetid blight on the earth, serving no purpose whatsoever, just eating and procreating. Most of these useless people follow religions that tell them "it's good to make more people! people are a blessing!", which just ends up creating more and more useless people until there's nothing left on the planet but ignorance.
I thought you were an asshole. Then I read your handle. Then I laughed.
"Having more living humans is a blessing", is like saying "Having more living Lions is a blessing", yeah, 7 billion Lions, that ought to work out pretty good...as long as the antelope and wildebeest last.
As a top predator, what will we do with all this traditional and alternative energy supplies?? Are you insinuating that we keep breeding like rabbits?? - and when the antelope and wildebeest are gone, shall we eat soylent green??
How long have you been a sanctuary environment for head lice?
I'm longer than you are, mate.
It's 37 yrs (!!!) since the first Arab Oil Embargo of 1973. Do you think the oil companies have nothing to do w/ the lack of real progress in developing and deploying cleaner, alternative forms of energy since then ?
"It's 37 yrs (!!!) since the first Arab Oil Embargo of 1973."
And the Department of Energy was established by Carter in 1977 to address ALL this.
Now that we have the incredible intellect of a Berkley professor running the whole shebang Nirvana can't be far behind.
Or not.
Yea I'm thinking you're probably right about this. They want that Cap n Trade really bad. I can't think of any other possible explanation for the half-assed cleanup response by the Feds.
Well said! Thank you!
I quit eating tomatoes after I read of the death of truck driver hauling tomatoes from Mexico. I told the meat woman to use the algae growing on the roof if she wanted to eat something nutritious. Why should people have to die so you can eat tomatoes, or shrimp?
Is this a ROV shot of the original well location or is it from seven miles away at the Simmons leak? That stuff is probably not even oil now. The mud volcanoe is probably taking over at this point. Is that better if it prevents methane hydrate explosion in the next few days. That would be hard to deal with in hurricane conditions.
No, it's 100% benzene. Didn't you get the panic email today? "Benzene, also known as swamp gas ..."
MsCreant,
Sorry about your situation and proxmity,however I take issue w/this.
"All of us are culpable because we partake of petroleum culture"
NO, BP is culpable, for using SIX BOP's, and not TWENTY ONE, as Halliburton said they would have done, or never drilled this well.
Where we are culpable is at the Fed level...........70+Days later, the O decides he can use some help,from only 12 countries......out of a possible 33.
While we know not the reasons for those 12 only, WE do know that the wait is borderline Criminal.
Forget the Jones Act BS,and Leaving it up to BP.......
IMHO, no POTUS ever, would/should have not accepted help asap, with a well spewing this much crude,and DAMN Sure not for 70+ days.....
As I see it, it was for a Policy O wants passed, and he wanted to make a huge point..........he did, and has.
And it certainly was/is not Positive,and it will cost his butt royally
We live in a country where we (most) have no choice of transport, and all around me, are fueled by oil.......been that way for all my life, and two FULL generations before me...........
Another view would be as follows:
It's a very unfortunate oil leak that needs to be fixed as soon as possible. Hold those accountable thusly, and move on. Drama isn't really going to help here.
Drama is essential here, in the sense of feeling an event so strongly that it is burned into our cultural memory. 9/11 is an example for better or worse; almost 10 years later everyone's daily life is affected in some way by our determination that nothing like that can ever happen again.
Will this new disaster have the same kind of staying power? Will offshore drilling (deep or shallow) safety standards be enforced as zealously as TSA workers examining airline passengers' footwear? Because otherwise all this will fade to a distant memory, and nothing will have changed.
Killing people is different from killing some shrimp and crab.
Hell, there is an industry based upon killing shrimp and crab. The complaint is that now they are being killed in the wrong way and you won't get to eat them.
The crab, shrimp and fish that die in this event will not be too disturbed that they avoided your gullet. You will miss out on the feast for a couple of years until the stocks are returned to normal. I'd be outraged over the denial of crabs.