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Oil Jumps On Israel Violence Escalation: Tanks Enter Gaza, Kill At Least 3

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And just as oil was trending lower on the day, we receive our now daily news of Israel conflict escalation, as Reuters reports that tank fire has killed 3 Palestinians in Gaza, wounding another four including children. Bloomberg also chimes in:


The result is an immediate jump in oil as the market apparently, and contrary to our expectations, has to digest this latest piece of geopolitical news.


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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:47 | 1085811 99er
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So far H&S top is still intact. Target 86.30.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:48 | 1085823 SheepDog-One
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Sorry 99er, youre high. Highest form of comedy today is people with their 'technical charts' in a market with confirmed total external manipulation.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:55 | 1085853 jesse livermoore
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+ 1

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:24 | 1085999 bankrupt JPM bu...
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called this on Feb 20th...they will eventually lead the entire world into war for Israel's personal gains, NOT America's.  Get those PM's!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:11 | 1086190 Almost Solvent
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At least they are over there and we are over here.


Unless they have some ICBMs, I don't see how any Middle Eastern country could launch a strike on mainland America other than a 9/11-type event.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:10 | 1086603 A Texan
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Iran has launched missiles from barges.  Do some reading on Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) weapons, and analyze that with the missile launches and the oh-too-coincidental fact that many Iranian ballistic missile tests end in "failure" somewhere above 50 miles in altitude.  Want a good book to read on the subject:  "One Second After" or "Lights Out," both available on Amazon.  Read them in close proximity to a working toilet.

Libya has no such weapons, so I don't know why we're there other than oil.  I predict that this will not end well - Al Qaeda also wants Quackdaffy overthrown...and anytime that you agree with AQ, you better go back and re-examine your assumptions.

As for the situation with Israel, they are responding to heavy mortar attacks late last week from Gaza.  What the ruling faction in Gaza wants is perfectly clear - they already have complete control over Gaza, there are no Jews living there and no Israeli army presence.  Gee, what could they possibly want?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 18:58 | 1087739 Ima anal sphincter
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From a fellow Texan, your thinking is SOOOOO wrong. Where did you get all that crap?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 20:11 | 1087980 BigJim
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If you do a bit of research, you'll discover that Hamas fired the mortars as retaliation after an IDF airstrike killed two Gazans, in Gaza, at a training camp.

And why would any Jews live in besieged hellhole Gaza? Israel's racist 'right to return' means they can just go and live in Israel, on our dime.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:40 | 1087044 DosZap
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This is nada.

The rest of the Arab, Persian world is too busy fighting each other.

But, WHEN the DAY is come, you are correct, The whole world goes to battle Israel, and they all are destroyed.

It's coming, no one knows JUST when.

As the events are unfolding around us of late, I would say we are SO close to that day, we would shite ourselves if we knew.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:10 | 1085930 I am a Man I am...
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Robo and company enlightened us yesterday and told us the market could go either way with their TA.  News i can use!!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:14 | 1085948 TradingJoe
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You are so spot on with the manipulation thing, most call options on USO are falling whereas USO is rising! Totally INSANE Crime Scene Wall Street!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:26 | 1086006 disabledvet
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"technical analysis" as reported here consists of "bullets fly, price rises."  only been "going on for 8 years now" too--seems to back test perty good.  except of course when Alan Greenspan went all in on Bezerki-finance.  There was a quality buying opportunity then.  My question is "why is the only media talking Gaza is Zero Hedge"?  Of course "we could go all in on AT&T moving oil higher."

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:52 | 1085830 Max Hunter
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I wouldn't be using TA to trade oil right now. Just an opinion..

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:04 | 1085894 TWORIVER
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Looks more like a consolidation pennant from mid Feb, look for WTI to see 116.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:46 | 1085814 AN0NYM0US
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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:49 | 1085821 X. Kurt OSis
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Spit balls and paper airplanes.  You can see why they would be so pissed off.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:51 | 1085835 Cash_is_Trash
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Israel: The True Standard in Terror

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:54 | 1085838 X. Kurt OSis
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For the record, I'm junking everyone on this thread including myself. *JUNKED*

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:00 | 1085883 X. Kurt OSis
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I fucking hate religion.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:31 | 1086049 Creed
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I fucking hate religion.


so does God


religion is an invention of men, God has his own ways of doing things & it doesn't involve a 12 step method to perfection

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:45 | 1086097 X. Kurt OSis
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Spot on.

Just another cog in the system of thought control.  "Do X or go to hell."  To that I say, stick your fucking cross/star/crescent moon or whatever lucky charm you are shilling up your ass.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:49 | 1086111 Rodent Freikorps
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I am Pagan. I am not inhibited by the Christian ethics.

Israel should take a page from Rome.

They made a desert, and called it peace -- Tacitus.

Kill them all. Problem solved.

See? It could be worse.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:01 | 1086354 Mayer Amschel R...
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atheism = religon as it also requires belief

Ironically, it seems religions that profess that there's is the only truth, that they're God's choosen people, that all others are damned, which inspire zeal and chauvinism are also the one's with the most staying power.  It's not in the nature of mobs to believe without ferver.  Limbic systems keep man primative.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:07 | 1086383 Rodent Freikorps
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Like Islam? Like Communism?

I have given up on religions that promise a free ride into heaven.

If heaven isn't earned, it is worthless.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:13 | 1086400 X. Kurt OSis
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atheism = religon as it also requires belief

I disagree.  I'm an agnostic nihilist anarchist.  Belief requires conviction.  I can't even prove to myself that I exist.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:22 | 1086702 Canucklehead
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That's funny.  I took you for a high maintenance mama's boy... No Dad in your past.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:29 | 1087022 X. Kurt OSis
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Hey hoser!  I had a dad once... and leave my mother out of this.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:11 | 1087783 Rodent Freikorps
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How did you dispose of the body, Norman?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:18 | 1086414 asdasmos
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I think it is the lack of belief that sets it apart. Remember, the onus is on any religion (christinaity, islam, judaism & scientology) to prove that they are the 'one true' religion. This does not even take into account all the different sects in any one religion either.....


These arcaic belief systems do not have one shred of evidence. You think atheism is a belief system?

Ok then, our one true god: flying spaghetti monster.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:21 | 1086422 X. Kurt OSis
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Kneel before Spaghetti Monster!!!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 18:39 | 1087681 Mayer Amschel R...
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That's funny: are you contending atheists can prove the non-existance of God?!?!?!

I repeat: atheists BELIEVE there is no God.  And that's cool, to each their own.  But, please don't BS us with that tired attitude that an atheist is much smarter for his BELIEF than followers of 1500+ year old religions.  They all suck, including atheism.  Of course, my beliefs only sucks a little less than everyone elses.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 20:12 | 1088000 BigJim
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Atheism isn't a religion, any more than not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:05 | 1086931 downwiththebanks
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"If God were alive today, he'd be an athiest."

- Kurt Vonnegut (RIP)

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:43 | 1087065 DosZap
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+1, Spot on, HE certainly does.

Don't worry though, it will all come out in the wash, HIS.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:56 | 1085858 Bearster
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Let the joo-hatred come out!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:10 | 1085926 Max Hunter
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And let the Israeli Firsters come out and propagate their treasonous alliance with a country (race/religion) that has murdered their way into forming and growing a country with the aid of conditioned westerners..

USS Liberty..  Look it up.. Israel is not an ally..

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:30 | 1086034 Creed
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USS Liberty..  Look it up.. Israel is not an ally..


Britain, Japan & Germany all fought the USA and killed many of our men, women & children; some in a not so sporting way


And yet we became friends with them, helped them rebuild, and compliment each others lives to this day- despite the best efforts of people like Obama and his ilk.


Israel is a JEWel amongst a sea of dusty forboding dictatorial countries whose only wealth stems from a substance they did not create and whose fate after it runs out will be to return to the nomad ways of their forefathers fighting each his own brother.







PS- Mossad, if you're out there reading...I wouldn't at all mind a paycheck. I know I'm doing it for free right now but that can stop, I mean this wading through retards is work you know. Seriously.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:40 | 1086082 Max Hunter
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Israel is a JEWel amongst a sea of dusty forboding dictatorial countries

Ha... What a bullshit statement..

Our history books are full of wars against Britain, Germany, Japan etc.  No mention of the USS Liberty.. Let's get that info into our required curriculum and let the people decide how serious the crime was.

So now people with an objective view of our Foreign Policy is a retard.. Nice touch... Probably not going to work here though..  Plenty of blogs for your condition reinforcement to benefit Israeli crimes, this, however, is not one of them.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:41 | 1086090 Rodent Freikorps
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Geez, dude, are you still whining about the Maine, too?

That should give us cause to attack Spain again.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:55 | 1086135 Max Hunter
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Are you serious?.. That's your reply?  I don't know which is worse, the irrelevance of the statement or the fact that you felt it was worthy of posting.. What a moron..

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:59 | 1086154 Rodent Freikorps
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Shouldn't you hating on the Germans for the Lusitania?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:09 | 1086182 Creed
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you see, I took some college classes in the 90's and happened to sit through a live presentation by a Liberty crewmember in a history class, so your assertion of lack of teaching is false; and this a liberal college to boot


oh yeah...I was taking the class for fun, because I wanted to be there said I was full of shit but then you didn't back up your statement/


Israel has a thriving multifaceted economy with elected leadership and the surrounding Arab states have what again? Oil wells, torture chambers? Oh yeah, and Saudi men in shorts and short sleeved shirts while women are in full veil in 100+ degree weather/ if I was a Saudi woman it would be no pie for them!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:21 | 1086223 Max Hunter
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your assertion of lack of teaching is false;

No it is NOT!..Not by a long shot.. It is not required history like our general knowledge of military confrontations.  I've never seen anything like that offered in the few different colleges I went to nor did I learn about it in High School.. Nice try though, looks good on paper..

And you are full of shit.. Israel is a trouble spot and relies heavily on U.S. and western propaganda to cover and justify their crimes against Arabs.. I wouldn't give a squirt of piss for anything that comes out of Israel. Not to mention, most of their inventions lend themselves to spying and controlling information.. Go figure..

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:39 | 1086079 Triggernometry
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BINGO!! Good to see others know their history.

Israel attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, stole enriched uranium from NUMEC facility in the 70's(according to FBI report), spied on us in the 80's(Pollard still in jail), and sold our technology to China in the 90's.

Israel is no ally to me or my country; don't piss on my shoe...

As I posted on a thread the other day:

"The longer Israel pisses on the Palestinians and international law, the closer it gets to posthumously awarding Hitler vindication. Hitler was wrong, no human being should suffer what the Jews did, which is why Jews, above all others, should know better."

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:11 | 1086189 Creed
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 and sold our technology to China in the 90's.


So did Clinton and his criminal gang, what's your point?


Start your housecleaning at home.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:23 | 1086230 Abitdodgie
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If people don't like us talking the truth about those  murdering Nazi Jews then go to another post junkers ,cos it not going to stop us from telling the truth.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:03 | 1085898 TomJoad
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I don't know why you got junked (The word "Israel" in the thread title most likely <rolleyes>) I had the exact same thought. What sort of "Projectiles?" Pelota?

Fired by what? Slingshot? Xistera? Mortars?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:46 | 1085815 pendragon
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good old israel...subtle as an anvil

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:49 | 1085818 RobotTrader
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What is amazing is how the retail stock index is totally immune to oil shocks and all the other multiple catastrophes heaped upon the market the last 2 months.

Nothing is more safe, more secure, than investing in a sector that depends upon Joe and Jane Sixpack going out shopping.

Bears better start knocking this thing back, otherwise, we could see another leg up.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:50 | 1085828 SheepDog-One
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Its 'amazing'? I suppose so, if youve been in a cave for the last 3 years and the first thing you saw was your stupid cherry picked chart.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:54 | 1085845 EscapeKey
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Hah, that graph is a pretty accurate representation of the performance Silver over the past 90 minutes.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:59 | 1086152 Bendromeda Strain
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2 junks?  2 funny...


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:21 | 1085987 jomama
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still no love for robo's sense of humor, i see.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:53 | 1085837 EscapeKey
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With tons, and tons, and tons of printed Fed notes sloshing around, I am shocked, shocked, that this is seeking speculative ventures. That has never happened before.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:40 | 1086118 Convolved Man
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Since Church & Dwight Co. deals mainly in cleaning and personal care products, items not covered by the food stamp program but used to mop up messes and freshen the masses, their stock (CHD on NYSE) seems to be steadily climbing with the market as a whole due to QE infusion.  However, if a rumor gets circulating that bicarbonate technologies can effectively handle radioactive spills and stains -- well, can you say hype spike?  Such is the "reflection of reality" presented by the market. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:58 | 1085820 LawsofPhysics
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The zionists are on the move.  Maybe they see that the world and American's support for their army and money printing by their central bankers is losing steam?  We should all should be so lucky.  Bring on the "junks" you zionist fucks.  


War profits bitches!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:59 | 1085862 Bearster
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Are you a neo-nazi or an islamist?  Physics, my ass!  You're just a bag o' hate.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:03 | 1085896 LawsofPhysics
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No, just a business owner (that has done well through the recession) that has capital flows and is trying to figure out how to profit from this development?  Suggestions?


I may like to stir the pot from time to time.  It's a blog idiot, get over yourself.  we all know that if you want to effect real change, get off your ass and go DO something about it.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:09 | 1085922 oldmanofthesee
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You know, if the Jews were left alone, they wouldn't decapitate, bomb, or otherwise kill anyone. The goddam Muslims, still living in the stone age, are the problem.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:19 | 1085974 jomama
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lolololol tell us old man, the difference between arabs and muslims, we'd love to hear your take.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:21 | 1085980 I am a Man I am...
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rational people would have a whole lot more sympathy for israel if they would quit expanding settlements, steeling land to this day is not kosher, from my perspective, it looks like the government of israel oppresses, antagonizes, and provokes its neighbors.  it's difficult to find the good guys in that conflict

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:20 | 1085984 Creed
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thanks old man, I can see you're tired after a long life and don't have the energy to make long winded posts like mine that say the same thing





by oldmanofthesee
on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:09


You know, if the Jews were left alone, they wouldn't decapitate, bomb, or otherwise kill anyone. The goddam Muslims, still living in the stone age, are the problem.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:07 | 1086944 downwiththebanks
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Left alone to steal Palestinian land, you mean.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:28 | 1086019 disabledvet
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here we go again...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:01 | 1086351 greenbear
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Yep, the time is coming when Israel will no longer be able to rest on the arm of flesh.  The ending has already been written.


Zechariah 12:1-3, 9 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it... And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:50 | 1085824 Creed
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Let's not mention any rockets dropping on Israelis now.....


or Israeli babies being hacked to pieces


that would be unfair to be fair to those evil joos :)


after all, only CERTAIN TYPES OF PEOPLE have the right to self defense

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:58 | 1085859 BigJim
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People who haven't stolen the land within living memory of the original owners, who are now forced to live in a virtual concentration camp?

Israeli 'right to self defence' has about as much validity as a burglar's right to defend himself when you attempt to oust him from your house.

Nice attempt to conflate anti-israel with anti-jew, BTW.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:58 | 1085871 Bearster
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Hey BigJim, why is it that the anti "zionists" are always and everywhere anti-joo?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:12 | 1085934 alien-IQ
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New York Times motto: "All the news that's fit to print"

CIA motto: "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"

Mossad motto: "By way of deception thou shall wage war"

One of these organizations actually lives by their motto...can you guess which one that is?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:19 | 1085952 jomama
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What you are referring to is the old motto, still it does not translate to what you wrote, it translates to: "For by wise counsel thou shalt wage thy war".

The new motto, is from the Old Testament
"Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." (Proverbs XI, 14).

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:36 | 1086067 alien-IQ
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while you may quibble about the exact translation, it is in fact the most widely known translation and the fact that they have since changed the motto in no way indicates that they have changed their policy or tactics.

the games of perception and deception that have historically been played on the US public by Israel and it's supports such as yourself no longer work. the genie is out of the bottle and the true face of that evil little Apartheid empire has been exposed to the sunlight for all to see...warts and all.

there is no other nation in the world that has caused so much harm to America as Israel has. No other nation has been as active in it's efforts to spy on steal from and subvert the policies of America as Israel has. With friends like Israel...with needs enemies?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:59 | 1086147 jomama
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i don't support israel and her oppressive ways.  just read my other posts just on this thread for verification. you are preaching to the chior.  slander from either 'side' that's biased or untrue is a huge pet peeve of mine.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:15 | 1085953 TradingJoe
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USO rising yet most call options are falling??! have an idea why?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:28 | 1086022 alien-IQ
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that suggests to me that calls are being sold in anticipation that they will expire either worthless or lower. It's a dangerous tactic some like to use.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:31 | 1086043 TradingJoe
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thought so yet because of the danger I kind of shrugged it off, well it might as well be so, lets see if oil moves or spikes higher what "they" will do then..cover?!?! :))

Thx for your input though! Much obliged!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:38 | 1086076 alien-IQ
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yes...they'd have to cover or have the calls put to them. with options, selling calls is the equivalent of shorting a stock.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:47 | 1086298 scratch_and_sniff
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Mossad motto lifted straight from the Zionist Protocols. Thats fucking weird, since the protocols are a forgery...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:14 | 1085944 BigJim
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Well, I'm anti-zionist, but I'm not anti-'joo' (as you like to refer to it). Plenty of Jews are zionists, but condemning all Jews generally for the acts of Israel is ridiculous. As I have pointed out to a number of anti-semites on ZH, Jews have the same rights as anyone else, and have made enormous contributions to humanity, in the arts, medicine, physics, chemistry, engineering, mathematics...

Anyone who is an anti-semite is going to be anti-zionist by definition. That doesn't mean all anti-zionists are anti-semites.

So you need to re-examine your premise

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:52 | 1086121 Internet Tough Guy
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Plenty of morons are racists, redneck Jim. The proof is in your posts.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:03 | 1086163 BigJim
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Point out a single racist post.

Oh yeah, I forgot, anti-zionist IS racist, right?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:49 | 1086306 BigJim
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Anyway, I thought you approved of racism? What do you think zionism is? It's a racist belief system, where one group of people (because their supposed ancestors lived there 2000 years ago) is entitled to take land from another group because of that supposed ethnicity.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:04 | 1085895 Internet Tough Guy
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Are you an american of european ancestry posting from USA? If yes, why haven't you given your house to a native american and pissed off back to Europe, redneck hypocrite?


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:11 | 1085936 jomama
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maybe because the US doesn't patrol their reservations, abducting and torturing their victims?  or because the US doesn't bomb them and bulldoze their dwellings? 

just a thought.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:18 | 1085965 Internet Tough Guy
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You were so benevolent. lulz. Go sell that on the reservation, hypocrite.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:19 | 1085973 BigJim
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Hey, you've almost seen the light. There's a big difference between 'were', and 'are'.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:20 | 1085985 Internet Tough Guy
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Sorry redneck Jim, but a crime is a crime even with the passage of time. Or are you saying that if Israel keeps 'the land' long enough it becomes theirs? Or are you packing for Europe? lulz.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:52 | 1086126 BigJim
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Again, there's a big difference between 'were' and 'are'.

Once several generations have passed, there's not a lot of point harping on about past injustices. The original protagonists, their children, and their grandchildren are all dead, aren't they?

Or are you advocating that the Israelis give Jerusalem back to the Jebusites?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:58 | 1086142 Internet Tough Guy
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That's a convenient standard for you, Redneck Jim. So if Israel keeps the land for several generations palestinean claims are void? Good to know.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:15 | 1086178 BigJim
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Eventually, yes. But don't get too jubilant, because it means the zionists had no right to 'return' to 'Israel' in the first place.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:24 | 1086001 jomama
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sell that on the reservation?  i'm a member of the cherokee nation, you_fucking_tool. (lulz)

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:14 | 1086202 Creed
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how funny, we're probably related then jomama


and you're still a fucking tool

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:09 | 1087205 jomama
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how original.

don't make me go tell your mom you're using the internet to post bad words again.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:19 | 1085969 BigJim
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Actually, your argument applies better to zionists. They think that a tenous and largely putative ancestral connection with a piece of real-estate entitles them to take it away from people who have been living there for scores of generations.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:29 | 1086035 Internet Tough Guy
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Redneck Jim, I can't continue to point out your self-serving hypocrisy, double standards, logical failings and general ignorance, but I will say that fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life. Work on it.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:19 | 1086139 BigJim
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No, you can't 'continue' to point out my self-serving hypocrisy, double standards, logical failings and general ignorance, because you haven't even successfully started.

I guess you have to go because your pro-zionist trolling shift is ending now, is it? Can't you convince them to pay you some overtime? Please stay. Your absurd reasoning, ad hominems, and endless strawmen help illustrate the mindset that usually accompanies fervent, reflexive zionism.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:37 | 1086488 Eally Ucked
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I advice to you some reading "The Invention of the Jewish People" by Shlomo Sand. I know you don't have red neck, you work for Goldman, isn't it?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:04 | 1086628 Milestones
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Please read the  2nd paragraph of the Balfour Declaration; which the English had absolutely no authority to issue and was basically written so the Zionists had a place at the table on armistice settlement in 1918         Milestones


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:10 | 1086657 Milestones
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Foreign Office,
November 2nd, 1917.

Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour

Got left off the original post.        Milestones

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:07 | 1085915 Alea Iacta Est
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Jordan kicked them out in a civil war.

The Saudi's BULLDOZED their towns under the sand.

NOONE likes the Palestinians.

They are a convenient rallying cry for the Mullahs.

Notice that not a single Arab country has offered to take in their poor, oppressed, brethren.

They are Israel's problem, and that works well politically for the other Arab countries.

There Palestinians are the right hand, you need to start looking at the left. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:21 | 1085992 BigJim
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NOONE likes the Palestinians.

No doubt you'd be condemning (quite rightly, I might add) anyone saying the same thing about Jews. Why is it OK to say it about Arabs?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:39 | 1086080 Alea Iacta Est
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I get weary of hearing people bash Israel for the "palestinian's plight" when every Arab country around them bears some degree of responsibility for foisting them on the Israeli's.

1.  Toss them out of your Arab nation.

2.  Send them to Israel.

3.  Send them weapons.

4. Blame Israel for oppressing our poor brethren.

One hell of a plan.

Again, I am NOT saying that Israel shares no blame in the scheme of things, just that the OVERWHELMING focus on the Israeli's ignores the reality of the situation.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:59 | 1086149 BigJim
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Er, what?

1.  Toss them out of your Arab nation.

2.  Send them to Israel.

They're called Palestinians for a reason - they're from Palestine, you know, that bit of land the zionists stole.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:08 | 1086183 Alea Iacta Est
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There are 11 million palestinians in the world.

3.7 Million live in the Palestinian Territories (Gaza/West Bank)

The VAST majority of Palestinians do not live in Palestine.

In the 50's, 60's and 70's, the Arab nations around Israel ejected many Palestinians from their nations and sent them to Israel where they ended up in the territories.

Again, noone (nations) in the region likes the Palestinians.  They are a convenient pawn in the political chess match being played since 48.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:23 | 1086228 BigJim
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Well of course "the VAST majority of Palestinians do not live in Palestine" - they got kicked out. What was Palestine got renamed Israel.

I agree that they are a convenient pawn for the nations around Israel, but that has nothing to do with the fact they've had their land stolen from them by the Israelis.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:26 | 1086234 Alea Iacta Est
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Technically the land was stolen by the western powers who then gave it to the Israeli's.


Fortunately we're too far away to be hit with rocks.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:58 | 1086324 BigJim
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Ah, but the land wasn't 'given' to the Israelis - the Western powers said the zionists could go and live there and form a state. They didn't say anything about taking the Palestinians' private property to do so.

But even if they had, it would still be theft, and the Palestinians would be perfectly entitled to restitution.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 18:59 | 1087745 Mayer Amschel R...
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Jim's right.  Those who sympathize with Israel/Zionism, take heed:

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:05 | 1086050 Crassus
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Been involved in the Middle East since 1980. In all this time I've seldom heard an Arab say, "I'm going to Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia. They say, "I'm going to, Damascus, Baghdad, Amman, Beirut, Medina. They recognize these cities as islands in the Arabian desert. They will recognize only Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state within Israel.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:12 | 1085945 Creed
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anti Israel and anti Jew go hand in hand for most, nice attempt to cover the obvious



lets see...stolen land...hmmmm


maybe it wasn't such a good idea to gang up on and attack Israel in the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's? to call for its annihilation? to call for the death of its people? (oh look ma they fight back, fuck! I'm outta here, leave the Palis to cover our retreat)


Now I wonder why the various Arab states haven't brought the refugees into their own lands and given them land and housing so they could all be at peace? No, that would be too simple...must attack Jews always.


Color me skeptical about your analogy, but if a burglar shot an explosive warhead at me every other day and twice on Sunday I think I would go over to his house and kick his ass by whatever means necessary.


butcher a family with little kids by using knives on them and try to justify it? what fucking planet did you tools spring from, anyway?


I'm on the other side.... from the people who fucking danced in the streets on 9/11 and danced in the streets upon hearing about butchered baby Jews

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:25 | 1086013 jomama
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are you drunk?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:33 | 1086053 BigJim
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Your logic is all over the place.

Exactly why should the various Arab states take in other Arabs forcibly ejected from their homeland? Because they have some shared ethnicity? How does that work? The onus for restitution is on the people who stole their land, not on the Palestinian's distant relatives.

As for

Color me skeptical about your analogy, but if a burglar shot an explosive warhead at me every other day and twice on Sunday I think I would go over to his house and kick his ass by whatever means necessary.

It's the Israelis who are the burglars in the analogy. But you're absolutely right - you would kick their ass by whatever means necessary, but unfortunately, the US keeps giving the burglars more money and weapons to enable them to fend off your attempts to get them off your property.

And who's justifying the butchering of little kids (something the Israelis do to the Palestinians much more regularly than the reverse, by the way - have a look at the statistics from the last Gaza 'war'). The thread is about Israel invading Gaza with tanks.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:12 | 1086198 Max Hunter
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Your logic is all over the place.

Of course it is.. Because is has to be..

Soon we will hear how there is no such thing as Palestinians and they came from a remote island in the Pacific after 1948 to take Israel from the Jews.. *sigh* ..

The absurdity reaches new highs in proportion to all the people Israel slaughters in Gaza.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:27 | 1086235 BigJim
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Yes, it's a rare zionist that will (or even can) have an honest debate.

It can't be easy to support an apartheid state without a lot of mind-messing cognitive dissonance.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:08 | 1085918 jomama
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The irony of your posts are that you don't condemn the volience by both sides equally, and therein lies your hypocrisy.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:17 | 1085968 Creed
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come on...only 17 junks?


I'll have to use more common sense with an extra dash of factual statements next time, that stuff really pisses y'all off bad

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:49 | 1085825 Cognitive Dissonance
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For crying out loud Tyler, you just triggered the Megaphone. Now we're going to be inundated with trolls. And I just used up my last can of ZH approved Raid last night. Time to hit Home Depot for another 6 cases. That should last a few weeks.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:03 | 1085889 alien-IQ
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I was just thinking that. I expect to see more junking in this thread than in any other on ZH today.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:14 | 1085951 jomama
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with lies like the one you posted below, you should prove correct in your anticipation.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:26 | 1086007 alien-IQ
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and what lies" might that be that I supposedly posted? care to elaborate?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:19 | 1086990 buzzard
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I don't have anything to say. But I haven't ever been junked before, so I thought I would drop in just so I can cay that I've been junked on ZH. Hope y'all don't mind too much.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:08 | 1085910 TomJoad
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Combine that with snazzy "Sock-Puppet(TM)" technology and it's off to the races!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:17 | 1085959 Don Birnam
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Incredible -- as of this writing, every single response contained within this thread has been "junked." Incendiary topic, this.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:34 | 1086054 Cognitive Dissonance
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Incredibly your post didn't have a junk. Don't worry, I junked you. I didn't want you to feel left out of the party. Then I'll junk myself. :>)

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:48 | 1086084 Don Birnam
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I appreciate the courtesy, sir. However, another of my postings did indeed receive two "junks," further down in this "take no prisoners" discussion. 

This one is quite the junking free-for-all.

( Self-junked, to maintain the flavor of the thread. )

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:04 | 1086165 Cognitive Dissonance
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This is a classic psyops operation which is really what "Megaphone" is all about. Of course the British, Americans etc all do it.

Drive the discourse to such an extreme that the people who wish to speak calmly and to be informed are driven from the thread/blog.

Mission accomplished.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:49 | 1085827 RobotTrader
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Dollar Thrifty up again.  You would think that $4 gasoline would have destroyed the travel and leisure sector.

Instead, DTG has risen from 50 cents to $59 in a scant two years.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:54 | 1085831 SheepDog-One
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Well pile into it then jackass.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:56 | 1085846 Cash_is_Trash
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Hang yourself by the balls Robo.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:59 | 1085868 Cdad
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I think Robo is messin' with you, dog.  He knows that the XRT is a broken ETF...with more shares sold short than actually exist.

I think he meant get long Brinkers and Chipotle.  Casual dining stocks do great when gasoline prices soar.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:05 | 1086173 Cognitive Dissonance
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No 6 sigma pop this morning Cdad. Do you think there's something wrong with the printing/HFT machines?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:32 | 1086243 Cdad
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Brother Cog,

With health care, utilities, and telecoms leading the way, what I think is rotation...which should lead to weakness in the second half of the session in those things that are currently weak...and in the morning, too, as gasoline bitch slaps everyone.

And I think my Valium just wore off, too.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:54 | 1086331 Cognitive Dissonance
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Plenty more where that came from. Bottoms up.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:05 | 1086367 Cdad
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Ahhhh.  Thanks brother Cog.  I feel better already and shall consider buying what should be a plummeting dip indeed on shares of casual dining stocks.  After all, opportunity is the air, there is UnicornDew everywhere, and PixieDust is cheap cheap cheap down at the bus stop.

I suddenly find myself really hungry for some so-so chicken fajitas.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:11 | 1085942 CrashisOptimistic
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This is an oil thread.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:29 | 1086033 disabledvet
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again...if the market's down "nothing a nuclear meltdown can't cure" apparently.  you all go figure.  i hang out with bears because they've always made more sense.  and then i watch the market go higher and...and...and...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:51 | 1085832 Popo
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...and across the Arab world, leaders rejoice as their age-old political distraction returns, and the fury of their populations is once again deflected away from home.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:52 | 1085833 spanish inquisition
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It's probably justified...  I bet those kids were standing way too close to a fence.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:51 | 1085834 mmlevine
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Is there another Black Swan flapping its wings?  Does it matter?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:56 | 1085839 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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War Coming to Middle East....Shiites vs Sunni's..Iran vs Saudi Arabia ...Bye-bye cheap food, Hello Turmoil ...Exodus’ From Africa Feeds European Anti-Immigrant Rhetoric ...27 Signs That The Nuclear Crisis In Japan Is Much Worse Than Either The Mainstream Media Or The Japanese Government Have Been Telling Us...14 Reasons Why the Economic Collapse Has Begun

"Western Canada's Four Western Provinces is the safest quadrant on our Planet...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:59 | 1085867 BigJim
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Do you work for the Western Canada Tourist Board, by any chance?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:53 | 1085842 Cdad
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Spiking oil is good for casual dining stocks, right?  


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:58 | 1085865 RobotTrader
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Yep, I'm watching PNRA, CMG, etc., so far unfazed from the Middle East crisis, nuclear reactors blowing up, earthquakes, worst unemployment rates in 50 years, etc.

I don't know why, but investors keep piling into these restaurant stocks.

Meanwhile, big cap golds like NEM and AEM are still grinding at 52-week lows, unable to get any bids with gold at $1,400.

I guess that the "Endgame" has ben postponed for a couple more years.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:08 | 1085911 Cdad
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You forgot Brinkers.  Nothing says future profit margin expansion like a really middle of the road restaurant chain which was recently marked up by a criminal syndicate Wall Street banker's call to buy it at three year highs.

As for CMG...not sure why it currently has the trim characteristics of a lead zeppelin...but I'm sure it will overcome that ridiculous PE ratio.  Some enterprising criminal syndicate Wall Street analyst will write some tortured explanation of how a company priced for 45% growth is a steal even though the company clearly stated during the last conference call that it would only be able to achieve 4% growth during the next three quarters.  I'm not sure how that works, but I know that I am not as smart as criminal syndicate Wall Street bankers, so I'll just probably buy these things blindly knowing that the syndicate will lead me to profits.          :)

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:33 | 1086051 disabledvet
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you call them a "syndicate" but these are "publicly traded companies."  Does that make it right? NOOOOOOOOOO.....buuuuut...are they the only game in town? any case.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:35 | 1086253 Cdad
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I have no f'n clue what your point is.  And anyway, when I wrote that earlier, I was under the happy glow of big V. 

As for the criminal is what it is...and has been revealed as such...and continues to commit its special crimes everywhere I look in the market.

You might want to put a hockey helmet on next time before you post.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:23 | 1087503 velobabe
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I was under the happy glow of big V.

V is for Victory, not valium!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:54 | 1085844 mouthpiece
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What the hell are the Israelis thinking?  With Egypt out of the picture, the Saudis coping with Bahrain and their own internal struggle, and the US already involved in 2 wars and whatever the hell you want to call Libya, Israel is pretty much on their own right now.  Starting shit up again with the Palestinians seems like a recipe for disaster.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:59 | 1085880 Bearster
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Yeah, they never should have launched that false-flag mortar attack against themselves at a time like this!  You are a fool or a tool.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:20 | 1086218 Creed
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false flag mortar attack



Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:00 | 1085881 LawsofPhysics
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Not really, the zionists ARE the central bankers, they print your money and you pay them interest to do so.  Deep pockets is an understatement.

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