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The bottom line is, if you believe the GDP numbers, then you the "fabulous" increase in worker productivity might seem plausible.
If you believe that the Guvvamint is massively overstating GDP due to flawed methodology and/or willful deception, then the productivity numbers are just another fraud/mirage.
"Michael Pento does an astute, if somewhat perfectly cynical, analysis of this quandary."
One of the few CNBC guests who will actually stand up to the bullying and question the cover story du jour.
What color is the Sky in BLS's world?
Regardless, it will be just another reason to ramp the S&P to 2000
High worker productivity is correlated with high-unemployment countries such as France for a very simple and obvious reason: labor regulations make employing anyone but a high-productivity worker unprofitable.
worker productivity is up because there are HALF as many of us now doing the SAME (if not more) volume of work as we always have. And let me tell you, OMFG it sucks HARDCORE. Survivor guilt MY ARSE. More like "wow, I was a proverbial trash can before, into which you could dump all of the things you didn't want to do...but now I'm a MIGHTY DUMPSTER!!!! Overload me, PLZ?!?"
Tyler- I have a bone to pick - to hell with this productivity stuff - all I know is that its Monday and I went all in last nite and gots nuttin to show for it...wad up with dat?
Fear and loathing of losing a job makes the heart grow more productive.
I own a small wholesale manufacturing company in the Southeast US and I can attest to the mentality of myself and many of my peers.
The first wave of layoffs (fortunately our company has only had one wave so far) were the semi-productive employees so that increased productivity with the remaining employees. Most R&D was cut and that increased productivity. The overall mentality of simply surviving with the resources we have has increased productivity.
Even though we are in the small percentage of manufacturing companies still left in this country, I'm sure that most service companies had some room to lean out their operations also.
Going forward, a lack of R&D and a total lack of confidence in the government (i.e. no capital investing) will start showing up in a year or two.
We're all on pins and needles out here just waiting for the next domino to fall. I can assure you that the next leg down will be much quicker and deeper. No plant owner is going to keep employees on the payroll "hoping" things are going to "get better soon" this next time.
What an excellent, true, and scary analysis. I work with companies like yours day in day out, my ears and eyes are very close to the "real" economy.
I commend you for sticking it out and doing it in a way that built this country. Real risk, real reward, real work. All the best.
Thanks SteveNYC. I'm going to hang in there as long as I can for my employees and their families but there is a very disturbing situation developing here in the US.
You have a very small number of people in this country that have the organizational skills, people skills, capital, technical knowledge, etc. to run small and medium sized companies. These are the guys that can make the decision to pull the plug on the whole plant at any time.
We have had to cut our prices and wages back to 2006 levels to keep playing the game. At the same time, insurance, taxes and most fixed overhead has gone up. You have a lot of owners working 60+ hour weeks trying to keep things going while bringing home less than many of their employees.
Most of this group of people are in a pretty decent financial situation personally and are probably not worried about their own futures but many of their employees live paycheck to paycheck. We're on the edge of profitability right now and another big setback in the economy is probably going to push a lot of owners into "decision time".
If you owned a $10 million dollar a year company with all of the liability, stress, etc. in a business environment like this and were bringing home $50K per year, you would be thinking about making major changes. If even a small percentage of the people in this group decide that this environment isn't worth playing in any more, the next leg down isn't going to be pretty.
Bless you man, I hope it works out for you, your family, and your staff.
C'mon, guys, logic is sooooo 2nd millenium.
If you can't trust either the numerator or the denominator, what's the point of long division? The GDP figure is fake, the unemployment rate is fake, and this is an analysis about nothing. The tax receipts listed by the Treasury every month probably tell a clearer story. Those keep going down. I realize the govt. is determined to send more and more money back to the taxpayers in an effort to buy their votes (the "tax cut" tranche of the stimulus bill), but this is the clearest indicator that the economy is just wallowing and going nowhere but down. There is less money being made, period. What good does a fabricated GDP figure do in the face of that?
If you can't trust either the numerator or the denominator....
Would that make it an irrational or imaginary number?
An insane number, I think
Not to worry, we have the public sector ready and willing to correct this pesky productivity surge.
Is the real story behind the productivity "gains" mystery just the fact that outsourced foreign labor hours don't get counted towards final "American" output?
Check out it out:
So, suppose the Federal Government gave $10,000,000,000 to a US company to install windmills. Does that add $10B to the GDP? And if so, what employees get used to calculate productivity? All the labor, except transport and install, is in China. So the transport and installation workers look extremely productive this week, compared to last week when they might have been shipping and installing a few thousands of dollars of septic tanks instead of millions of dollars of windmills.
I don't think this should be such a puzzle. It's exactly what I'd expect to happen when the government throws around huge gobs of money that doesn't happen to create any jobs at all.
You are correct. It stares you in the face after you think about it and it explains why the data doesn't read like it is supposed to.
Here is a link to the full SF Fed report that doesn't require a Moody's login:
I think the GDP figures are real. I've been in the professional workforce for about 45 years now and except for two startup software companies that were truly lean and mean -- and laden with very smart, caffeinated people with many startup options -- virtually everywhere I worked, particularly in state govt, had way more people than they needed. My govt stint was in a state department of wildlife research office and the point there was not to be the goat that got stuck with the work, because that meant you weren't one of the cool and smart ones who got the raises and promotions. I found the startup companies much more compatible with my caffeine addiction.
I'm a big believer in this (well, tech pushing the productivity curve in a big way to the point we will need ever fewer workers to keep the US GDP afloat) and here are some examples:
1. Since waitresses were mentioned here is what you see in the real world. Past was only full service (not that kind...) diners n restaurants. Now we have fast food and a mix of traditional. The "productivity" of serving a given number of meals for a given number of workers has skyrocketed. A sit down place with 30 workers may serve 500 people a day. The local tbell/md's serve thousands with half the number of employees. Yup tech - supply chain, refrigeration, improved equipment have all allowed this to happen.
2. Many peeps piss n moan about jobs moving oversees - but do we really look at why - yup productivity (well technology - blame it on Al Gore...). It was not greedy corp perps but tech e.g. GPS, weather routing software and because of those the ability of shippers to bring online larger ships with little threat of losing them at sea. That pushed TEU rates thru the floor and moved the labor/shipping equation in favor of cheaper labor. Same thing happened in the US when the interstate highways came online - production moved to where it was most efficient not where the peeps be located. Exact same thing....
What we have not and will never address is that we have not let natural selection remove population from the system. We have a financial/political system built on the ponzi of increasing employment and voters - tech and productivity has severely skewed that equation and as long as governments continue to prop up the system thru tax breaks, social nets, n healthcare to keep the population growing - we are doomed. We need a culling event in a major way - or we have to remove the incentives, to bring population inline with future employment needs....
Uhm, the GDP numbers.
Yeah, see, thing is that I could swear that GDP being up is heavily linked to 'profits' coming out of (bizarrely) financial entities such as Goldman Sucks which ultimately traces back to the massive QE programs.
So printing up money and passing it through various channels till it shows up as profits doesn't work for me as evidence of a recovery.
I can't wait till QE 2.
I'm also not sure how vastly increased worker productivity (American workers are now as productive as 100 hour work week chinese sweatshop workers!) connects in any way to a more optimistic jobs outlook?
Are you saying that there will be more jobs or that ...
oh. my bad.
I was looking at things from the entirely wrong point of view.
Of course I shouldn't care about the silly serfs.
Cremation of Care! Into the fire with them!
There is a nasty problem with worker productivity figures in that when a US job is outsourced, the work done by the foreign workers is counted as US productivity. I read this in one of Peter Schiff's commentaries, but I don't know if it is true or not. Can anyone comment on that?
This op-ed in the NY Times recently brought up this "minor" detail:
Welcome to the United States, the world's first virtual economy?
Thanks for this link!
The next administration gets to look at the books...
One way to increase productivity is to outsource overseas. If 9 workers and a manager produce 10 widgets for a dollar a piece, average productivity is $1/employee. If the manager outsources widget making to China for $4 and lays off the 9 workers, the manager is now producing $6/employee, a x6 productivity improvement.
Along these lines, reducing the price of finished goods that we import while the final sale price stays constant will result also in an 'apparent' productivity gain at the importer as the value of their 'contribution' goes up.
The real issue is ... when a company finds out that they can get by with fewer people to do the same work they will never hire back workers or will do it so slowly that unemployment gains will be excruciatingly slow even if the economy magically recovers. But then how will the economy recover if unemployment doesn't abate?
Wasn't there some news a while ago about US companies that had their HQ in the US, but their factories in China, still had their chinese labor calculated as US productivity?
I think it is as simple as some of the jokers that have been fired had negative productivity. Think of those morons you've seen in a business, like the computer store where the lametard won't sell you a system with XP unless you come up with a valid certificate.
Imagine what the "productivity" of a slave worker is? No/little pay, no benefits, small amounts of sustenance, long hours, no vacations, and they'll work as hard as you can whip them.
Now, if only we can apply that to the modern-day US worker (as is more and more becoming the case) we will have AMAZING productivity figures that will give Greenspan and Bernanke a woody.
We can be the most productive workers in the world!!
Imagine what the "productivity" of a slave worker is? No/little pay, no benefits, small amounts of sustenance, long hours, no vacations, and they'll work as hard as you can whip them.
Well thats where all monetary systems eventually lead, but of course it never makes it that far. Where you are mistaken though is that human labor is required at all...
Technological unemployment my friend, it is THE most fundamental cause of capitalisms inevitable demise...
Technology has and will continue to replace all human labor at exponential rates. This is fact, not some far off distant dream. Problem is that technology has already made monetary systems obsolete at allocating finite resources, we are witnesses to this everyday...
We have the technology and the knowledge to provide for the needs of every human being on this planet without money and with a lifestyle and a future of unlimited potential...
But of course this will not happen, not for lack of ability but through outright fear...
And so the next monetaty system to prostitute humanity will be the carbon standard of capitalism. This will once again provide employment (aka slavery) by means of making carbon energy incrementally unaffordable to those that inhabit the lower levels of the pyramid...
Yeah, sounds crazy right but tomorrows elites will grow rich from creating, amassing and distributing carbon offset instruments and credits, developing sustainable energy technology and by any means of gaining energy/resource efficency over competitors... Not gold bullion...
I think your point "our civilization suddenly discovered the Internet" may just be spot on. Over the last 20+ years, a lot of tools have been created that are extremely powerfull and really have the potential to substantially increase productivity. Just take Excel for example: Most people use it solely as a glorified calculator; just reading some of the basic "Help" instructions and applying them turns it into a very powerful tool, with the potential of increasing productivity by an order of magnitude.
The real discovery of the productivity enhancing features of the IT/Internet era may actually be occuring right now. Sure, most of these innovations were introduced 10 or 20 years ago, but how many people past the age of 30 have really changed their working style beyond the bare minimum to fully exploit the possibilities? The pending threat of being terminated, in a declining economy, with an unemployment rate of close to 10% can very much focus your mind.
Maybe the increase in worker productivity is comparable to what happend to Amazon: the basic proposition did not change all that much: "Shop online for less", yet it took people a couple of years to get used to the concept of shopping online. Amazon was loosing lots of money before the concept of shopping online was accepted; now they are very profitable.
The very same thing may be happening in terms of the use of software. It´s the human factor: Whith unemployment at 5% and jobs plentiful, back in the late 90s, why should the average(or more relevant here: below average) employee have made an extra effort to change their ways to employ the productive benefits of modern IT?
Being in debt, potentially facing foreclosure and a rotten economy in general do seem to focus some minds.
Maybe the true productivity revolution is happening right now. Obviously the tools have been available to everyone for quite some time now, but besting a colleague improving his productivity by using them to more of an extent, has become a very enticing proposition of late.
In my opinion, this cycle (and above discussion) has exposed the weakest link in the entire data chain of macro data - measurement of prices. The nominal dollars of GDP is directly observed, and so is the number of people who are working to produce it. What is distorted, intentionally due to the Fed and the govt, is prices. They depress prices using all the distortions discussed all the time (quality improvements that are assumed, substitution and imputation of rents etc etc). That boosts real GDP artificially. Then we take the real GDP and divide it by worker hours and in that cal - productivity is boosted artificially. Net net, I think inflation is distorted intentionally (well documented) and that leads to all these weird results.
This is how the productivity of the US worker increases:
Company originally had 20 Execs and design engineers. They also had 70 production employees. Finally they had 10 employees in delivery. Shift to China production.
Now they have 18 execs and engineers as they can lay off 2 HR people and an accountant but hire a PR person to tout improved quality. Layoff 68 production employees with two left for inspection and rework. Keep the 10 truck drivers but pay them less as there is excess labor available.
Cost of goods sold decreases by 40%. Total Revenues decline 10% from competitive price reductions and leads to a lower inflation number. Profits go through the roof. Revenues and profits per remaining employee increase a great deal. It appears that there has been an increase in efficiency of those employees. Even energy use per unit sold will show a politically correct decline as the energy is now consumed in China.
The laid off employees can go the the local get together place and play parchiese while they draw the never ending benefit checks for doing nothing. It is more dignified to be unemployed and eat someone else's food than to get a new job and compete. It is the Detroit model of the big bust out, but applied to the entire economy.
Can the Gordian knot be undone?
Does anyone have the data and capacity to do a comparable analysis that is ex-Financial Services? It would be interesting to see what happens to the statistics once banking, investments, and mortgage data is removed.
Is this worker productivity a US thing or global thing? And there is a lot that goes into "productivity". When you think the economy is expanign you are more likely to invest in product development, marketing, research, new technology but when you think things will be flat or backtrack, you tuck in a lay off the people who did the above things for you and just retain the basics, and squeeze the remaining scared crapless employees.
Also, it started long before this recession but was masked by housing appreciation and investment i US but jobs are leaving US when they can so only jobs left in US are ones US workers are best/most productive at. Local fortune 500 company here laid off their Director level guy that managed their call center, the call center is shrinking and being outsourced to India et al in pieces, so they just lopped off the expensive guy with MBA who had been with company and loved for 25 years. When I said to someone that knew him, at least his knowledge in managing a call center is transferable, he said, yeah if the rest of US companies weren't all downsizing their call centers. And this company's profits were done 1 percent last year, but laid off more than 1 percent of their workforce in Jan, let alone no hiring to compensate for attrition. I have to think some of this "productivity" is due to global outsourcing, depending on how they calc it.
and I agree, technology is taking its disruptive bite also
Correct: "Productivity" from Offshore [service jobs] is counted.. the Fed was aware of this @2.5yrs ago [started to take interest] - Right about that same time, the Fed was also thinking that I Rate policy might have been too low for too long - creating a bubble - as Max Employment was skewed by this "phanthom" Prod. number -
Better yet, the offshore intermediaries needed to hedge / short the Dollar to protect the business model [remember the currency gyrations in 07' prior to the "big one".
So, problems on all fronts - and better yet, as the Dollar rises, more jobs go offshore.
The lesson of the internet - its blind to Race / Color / Nation / Age / military/ etc - and "Value" is derived from pure SKILL ; yet, the World Value and Ultimate wealth distribution is tied to the latter.
I like to say: you open the window and turn on the heat, it may feel a little warmer - but, my GOD, that is going to be one hell of a Oil Bill come X-mas.
Big business is going through a step change to reduce cost and reduce leverage. They are looking back at 2009 and seing weaknesses in the business model and positioning themselves either for the next upturn or downturn.
The easiest way to reduce costs is to automate a manual procedure, followed by re-organising processes so they take less time. Essentially a robot improves productivity without making the remaining workers work harder.
This was always going to happen over time, but the downturn just accelerated this process. Government are of course behind the curve yet again and needs to start to come to terms with the fact that the world does not need as many workers as it did.
I don't agree with the statement that "In recessions, the number of hours worked generally falls as firms cut back on overtime or regular hours in response to decline..."
From what I have read overtime increase (possibly unpaid) and people generally do not even take vacation time.
Read my views here http://www.thesimplemachine.com/vacation-days/
and here http://www.thesimplemachine.com/work-overtime-hours/
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