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Zero Hedge is not a political blog. We take every opportunity to expose the hypocrisy and corruption on both sides of the aisle. Granted over the past 2 years we have seen quite a bit more of it from one side, but that has been primarily due to that one side being in control, and as always happens to whoever is in charge, screwing things up. For the most part, we try to be at least modestly picky about how we express ourselves now that politics and finance have become more intertwined than ever in history. The same can not be said about the following clip from Drinkingwithbob who appears to have said "basta" to diplomacy, and delivers one of the more memorable rants against what everyone knows to be true but few are willing to say out loud. If nothing else, it is... cathartic.

 


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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 14:09 | Link to Comment Silver Bug
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He speaks the truth, Obama has been a complete sham.

 

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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 14:11 | Link to Comment mule65
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Obama is making Carter look good.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 14:15 | Link to Comment homersimpson
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Obama makes Sarkozy look good.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:13 | Link to Comment MisterAmbassador
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I wanna bang Sarkozy's wife.

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:04 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The thing is, she has a brain in that body, and her brain is full of commie horseshit, and that brain doesn't like you, in fact it despises you, pities you...   If that doesn't wilt your willie, then she is right.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment JoeSexPack
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I'll bang her so long & hard she'll walk straighten up & fly right when finished.

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:49 | Link to Comment MisterAmbassador
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I didn't say I want to marry her.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 02:54 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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A little duct tape fixes everything.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 01:35 | Link to Comment Andy Lewis
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Gives new meaning to the term "flag as junk."

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 07:25 | Link to Comment Azannoth
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It shows you the world we live in where such hotties like Carla Gilberta Bruni sleep in 1 bed with horse-face midgets like Sarkozy, theres nothing left to fight for, just let it all rollover to the next chapter of history

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 17:08 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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me too

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:24 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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get this guy a fucking cape....he is my new hero, hero, hero......

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Brokenarrow
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Mine, too.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Missing_Link
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Ditto.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 01:09 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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He is no Kevin Rowland (walstreetpro2).  Kevin hasn't made a video in over a year (either TPTB got to him or he is in jail), but he was the best. One of my favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NWFA6g2x-4&feature=channel_video_title

 

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 01:42 | Link to Comment rocker
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Great Stuff, better than what ZH had gave us on this one. My Angry Rant would not stand up against Ron Paul. We are the strongest nation. No. Not because we spend more money on Defense. Oh please, Russia and China could take us out before we even knew what hit us. My Angry complainded about handouts, Paul would say that Bush should not have Bailed Out Wall Steet. But, just like Bambi, Bush did not run our country. He did enable the enablers. The FED and Cheney ran it in the ground. And who got rich. The Cheney Cartel and the Bankster Cartel managed by the FED.

At least FEDbuster busted ZH on this one. A much better play on what most Americans feel.

  Or maybe ZH wasn't busted after review, "Land Of The Stupid, Home Of The Freaking Screwed".

Oh, and Mr Rant looks like he is ready to finish Sucking off his base. Why is his mouth always open. Insert what !?!

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 11:03 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Glad you enjoyed walstreetpro2, but he is no fan of Obama either. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztvtga20D5A&feature=relmfu

The whores of D.C. have always had their pimps to slap them around and tell them what to do.  Obama, Bush it doesn't matter, the banksters rule.  Ron Paul is our best shot at survival, but as "the Donald" says about Paul "he can't win". 

I really think we are in the end game.  Something major (worldwide manufactured pandemic or WW3 w/nukes) will happen in the next year to change everything.  I hope we don't crash into a "Mad Max" world, but that is what we might get.

Best of walstreetpro2 is a must watch video, if you have bankster/politician rage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67X1K9pDOw&feature=channel_video_title

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 13:03 | Link to Comment rocker
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I'm not a Bambi fan either, I thought he had a chance to do right for the majority and our country. He has showed us he is no better. He caved to the elitist banksters. He is actually proud to assume responsibility for Bush's tax cuts and Bush's bailouts. How stupid can he be. Doesn't he realize that's what the other side wants. Most people hate the Banksters and the bailouts they are still getting through pomo. Here in is the problem with politics. It just don't matter anymore. It's all Bullshit to take focus off of our real problems. Did anybody notice that the Defense budget did not get cut. It actually increased again. Rome fell, so will we if we don't stop this charade thinking we rule the world.  We Are Japan Now.     

Wall Street elitist own the White House. My problem with the right winger nut cases has to do with how they are willing to let a bunch of idealist persuade them into thinking they have a better way. Bullshit like tax cuts create jobs. Corporations need more tax breaks because they pay too much. GE paid none, nice deception when Jack the Hack is defending GE. Didn't work for the past ten years. Actually we get taxed one way or the other. Up front or through the FED's devaluation program. Either way it is a tax. Ron Paul is right on this part. The savers and the poor eat rich man's lies and deceptions. But the dummies and sheeple who watch Fox do not get it. Never will and defend it. It being that if they are a right winger they too will be as rich as Lloyd Blankfien. Doing God's work. LOL

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 13:23 | Link to Comment rocker
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Something interesting that some one else showed me from Google Trends on why "We Are Japan Now" as I like to say:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=economic+trends&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0  

If some think we are so mighty then why are we in 8th place on a scale of 1 to 10. 

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 21:38 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Ratigan (msnbc) and Beck (fox) are the only ones willing to take shots at the FED and banksters.  Beck will be gone from Fox soon (score one for TPTB) and Ratigan doesn't have the numbers to make a difference.  

Really doesn't matter as the dollar continues it's slow fade to zero.  QE infinity=Zimbabwe Economics.  I have a Zimbabwe 10 trillion dollar note on my desk, but we won't see the US 10 trillion dollar note it's all electronic here.  No helicopter needed, just a titanium keyboard at the FED and a secure Internet connection to the TBTF banksters (the owners of the FED).  We are soooo fucked, and most people don't have a clue.

Politicians are irrelevant now, just someone for people to blame.

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."
- Napoleon Bonaparte, 1815

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 23:04 | Link to Comment riley martini
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 Last night in Seattle Anti-Fascist attacked and vandalized a Chase Bank . They broke out windows and painted messages on the wall of which the Fascist controlled media would not publish. The Seattle Resistance the new heros of the Anti Fascist movement.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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what is average police response time in seattle?  i am sure they had to hurry.....

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 22:43 | Link to Comment johnnynaps
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I'd rather live under Sarkozy rule than the shit we got here! He thinks multicultural societies are a failed cause (look at the US)! He said "Burkas are not welcome in France" (eliminating real terrorists! The French get like 35 days of mandatory vacation as opposed to the week you might get here in the US.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 01:34 | Link to Comment rocker
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The elite U.S. Banking Cartel have homes, villas and vocation in France all the time. Something you will not here on MSM.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Dorotheo Arango
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He said "Burkas are not welcome in France" (eliminating real terrorists!

All burkas are allowed (and welcome) in France if you are a saoudi and you stay at the Plaza Athenee or the Ritz and you do your shopping at Hermes... 

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 05:01 | Link to Comment tomster0126
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Does Obama make Bush look good?  lolllll that's kind of a stretch.  Dubya for sure has the epic political cartoon face, and the Will Ferrel impression.

 

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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:24 | Link to Comment Judge Holden
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I'm a little bewildered by the analysis this video gives.  Obama is definitely a sham, but it's pretty much for the exact opposite reasons as this guy lists.

Far from being a socialist, he's actually helped explode the gap between the rich and everyone else in this country by extending the Bush tax cuts and slashing the estate tax.  He also made sure that the insurance industry was protected when they overhauled the health care industry. 

And far from being "weak" in military affairs, he's drastically escalated drone strikes, unilaterally declared new wars, and done everything in his power to support the existing power structures in the Middle East (recall that the CIA planned to install noted torturer Omar Suleimann in place of Mubarak.)  And I don't recall Obama ever going to Iran.

And, of course, the debt explosion is pretty much the result of a decade(s) long bubble that finally burst.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Judge Holden
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Again, I'm confused by his analysis.  He rails against Obama's lack of change, then goes on to list a bunch of policies he claims Obama has enacted (socialism, seeking a new way forward in the ME and Iran) that would constitute actual change.

So yes, Obama is a sham, but not for the contradictory reasons given in this video.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Ckashan
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Yea so this guy probably would promote war with Iran, great he is the problem just like past, current, and highly likely, future presidents.  He probably the crazy guy promoting war while he watches WWF wrestling and enjoys Big Macs and Bud Light. 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:55 | Link to Comment dcb
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agree with two aqbove you, yes sham, yes I voted for him and was suckered, yes the things he is agains thim for were the things I voted for him. It kinda sounds like a loot of the more stupid right wing people I see, andry, but no idea why. Really has no clue about what is happeining

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 19:10 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Please, at least edit your posts before you call other people stupid.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:54 | Link to Comment kubrick007
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why the hell would you vote? 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Atoyota
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I've been following DWB for a while, (subscribed on youtube). I rarely repost or comment, but continue to subscribe because occaisionaly he posts a jewel that is spot on.

The guy basicly speaks as John Q, and because of that he's not too accurate most of the time in content. BUT... he's generally right on the subject. 

His previous subject (TRUMP) was very good, an not too far off.

 

He's a creative rant, entertaining most of the time, biased sure, accurate not always.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 22:50 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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This guy is an IDIOT!!.. F'n neo-con.. Come on people.. This must be Dick Cheney's long lost love child.. Not that he's capable of love... 

I hate Obama as much as the next guy but give me a brake.. Greatest country in the world bullshit.. good god..

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Atoyota
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I've been following DWB for a while, (subscribed on youtube). I rarely repost or comment, but continue to subscribe because occaisionaly he posts a jewel that is spot on.

The guy basicly speaks as John Q, and because of that he's not too accurate most of the time in content. BUT... he's generally right on the subject. 

His previous subject (TRUMP) was very good, an not too far off.

 

He's a creative rant, entertaining most of the time, biased sure, accurate not always.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 03:07 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Dont be confused: the bottom line is that this ranter is and foremost a US citizen and then duplicitous. Dont expect honest when you cant get it.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Tail Dogging The Wag
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+10

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:53 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Obama is Lil Bush Part Duex in Technicolor...

so a trillion oz.'s of Silver for you!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:07 | Link to Comment island
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Agree.  Obama has been a disaster --  particularly for progressives who want an end to a "captured" government, who want an end to grift-n-graft, who want BOTH fiscal and social responsibility, who want truly competive markets (not "free markets," which by nature reduce competition because of the drive toward maximizing profits = drive toward monopoly) where they best serve the general public,  who want a serious rational change to the health/care/insurance system, etc. -- people who actually give a rip about "the small people" and fairness.   Think about Bernie Sanders, William Black, Michael Hudson, Chris Hedges, etc. 

Obama has been either a pawn of, or accomplice to, bigCorp, bigBanksters, and the military-industrial complex.  You choose.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 03:06 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Obama  has been your typical US citizen president. People expecting a non typical  US citizen president were to be  disappointed.

Sure, the negro is a truly a US citizen, a flat observation that has angered a lot  in the US, as they would prefer to see this department the strict priviledge of white people.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 04:51 | Link to Comment Zardinuk
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war is just a judgement call, war isnt always avoidable, but libya was and BO made a very bad call there the real question is just whether it is go time right now, or go time later...

It is really quite simple, the only thing BO cares about is reelection. Everything that he dos for the last... 7 or 8 months has been some sort of reelection strategy. This country will hold together with duct tape and bailing wire until the end of 2012 and the stupid masses who vote for him wont see it coming.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Bob
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He makes Jimmy look like Ahhnold.   Jimmy, I must add, legalized home brewing of beer October 14, 1978.  Does weed have a chance with Barry around?

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 03:39 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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I for one, hope!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 14:20 | Link to Comment css1971
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I'll just fix that for you:

The President of the United States is a puppet.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 14:26 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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if only he'd listen to his conscience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAykOz1gWi4

the bankers are a little bit like travelling gypsies

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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The voters are also puppets. They are brainwashed by the socialist concentration camps that raise them. They are manipulated by the mass media through carefully crafted messages. They are deprived of basic knowledge of human action.

The elites are making a terrible mistake in my opinion, viz. cynicism. Wealth is not created when everyone is stealing from and aggressing against everyone else. Wealth is created through social cooperation and the division of labor, not through theft. When people are abused like beasts, they will yield beast-like performances.

Even if aggressing against others is acceptable to your ethics, it is still unwise to sacrifice the health of the economy for personal gain. Can you imagine how robust the world economy would be - how many medical advances like cyborg bodies and nanobot infusions we'd have - if only it weren't for so many short-sighted, destructive, selfish acts over decades and centuries? Your balance sheet includes not just your bank account, but also a valuation of the economic environment and world which you've subjected yourself to. The elites would choose to rule in an economic hell rather than serve in an economic heaven.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:10 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Lots of people use sports as a metaphor for the economic utopia you describe. But there still has to be another team to work together against. no matter how big the teams are. In the NFL you got 11 players on the field with many more cheering from the sidelines.

This guy sounds to be from new england, and might be a sports fan because he is wearing a the cliche "property of" T-shirt. When the Red Sox won the world series, it was pretty sweet. but not the panacea sports fans expected. perhaps the cubs/obama will bring the sanguine afterglow to Chicago natives? Perhaps when people have an ounce of shiny gold in their pocket they can give up the whole "fiat is pure evil" stuff? Fiat is not evil. Neither are PMs but using either to take society to one extreme or the other is. 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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>there still has to be another team to work together against.

No. At the fundamental level of human action, each person acts to remove his own uneasiness.

>Fiat is not evil. Neither are PMs but using either to take society to one extreme or the other is. 

Yes, neither green confetti nor yellow rocks are evil. I think coercing someone to obtain said confetti under threats of violence (i.e. tax collection) is evil. But I'm not sure which individual acts you refer to by saying "take society to one extreme".

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:13 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Oh heck yes. On ZH we throw around the Rothschild distilaton of evil "I care not who makes the laws as long as I control the money supply" which is how we got to keysianism. Now that we are there we have no choice but to ride it back to extreme social engineering through taxation. Hoping to flush out the reardon steel, and give everyone else a good smooth ride in the mean time.

PMs could be used to take society back to 100% fuedalism. We dropped the gold standard in the 1970s because we had already spent the last 400 years shipping it back to europe.

I've said it before here, and am not trying to be blashphemous, especially during holy week, but if we go back to gold/silver as a way to measure a man's work product, men will dig up other dead men and thier brides. That is the only easy gold we have left in the US.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:03 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Junk Meisters. Whats the story? what I said is not racist, xenophobic, fascist or socialist. I am not saying PMs should be outlawed or ridiculed as a store of value. I am just saying grave robbery is a crime that will be revisited with the "gift of the magi" story if it becomes official currency or backing for currency in the USA.

I am saying that the onerous tax code and its non-meritoriousness and out right unfairness (says Timmay! himself) is the evil at the end of the keynesian road, even beyond way too easy credit, beyond when even the printing press can solve the problem.

I might be wrong, but tell me why I am wrong. Don't junk dismiss anyones arguments here unless they are xenophobic,sexist, trollish, etc. Make contrary argument or move along. This is fight club. If it is a spelling grammar thing, there are entire message boards where people do nothing but correct each others spelling/grammar in a recursive fashion. Wild and weird echo chamber stuff!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 19:30 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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wisefool you are asking to much.  I don't agree with you at all, but hey each man/woman is entitled to her/his opinion.  I don't junk except on really, really rare occasions.  No I didn't junk you, not that it should matter.

Be proud of your junks.  You obviously are holding the piece of stinky Limburger cheese up to someones face, and they can't help but smell it even though they want to pull away.  Pussy junks are just that.  Pussy's who can't stand the smell of their own shit.  You will get some honest individuals here who will stand up for their junks and I commend them, but who the hell am I?!

If it gets to much for you just make a drinking game out of it!

All you other anonymous junkers are just pussies.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:01 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Thanks for the support. I am with you. But what I want is for the drive by junkers not just of me but of the many intelligent, non-racist, sexist, etc posters to challenge with words. Not for them, but for me to learn the opposing view.

I am like you. I will junk people, but I always say why I junked them. If a post has no merit in my opinion, I don't understand it, or it is obvious _______ baiting I just pass on by.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:42 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Unless you reach 10 junks, the best course of action is to assume it's just a couple assholes who either didn't understand you or have nothing better to do.  Usually by the time you get to 10, you'll get a few replies, too.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:43 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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This is a good point.

I would add that there are individuals out there who hold several accounts under different pseudonyms, and I know from experience, if they hate you they will make a point of logging in, and junking you with them all.

Paid shills are showing up here now as well.  So ideologues will junk you just for saying a specific words or phrases even if you were using them as a debate tool.

I do have to say I would much rather suffer the slings and arrows of the individuals here then at any other news blog I have been associated with in the past.  Vulgarity aside, the level of knowledge, intelligence, and wisdom is leaps and bounds above, lets say Fox News or MSNBC

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:01 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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I am by no means a financial or economic expert, so debating me on this subject would be like beating up a one eyed cripple.  I know my view points, and why I believe them, so I will leave others to debate you seriously on the subject.

The only thing I will point out is in regards to your opinion to gold and/or silver being restated as a monetary standard, and a motivation for desecration.  Soulless individuals are already desecrating the dead for profit in our overheated fiat system.   I live in Florida and not to many years ago they caught a mortuary dumping bodies in a mass grave after stripping them of ALL their worldly possessions.  Evil people will thrive on the sympathies, ignorance, greed, etc.. of others no matter what system is in place.

People who believe they are above laws, including; society, natural, and universal, will always try to make it to the next level, until they, and others, have convinced them that they can do no wrong, and theirs is the only true way.  It becomes easier as the vultures around them keep telling them they are right, as long as the gravy train is flowing.

Fiat, gold, guns, tube socks are not evil, they are things.  Individuals are evil, and when desire becomes lust the conscience knows no bounds.  George Washington said it best, "Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder."  Once you sell your virtue once it becomes successively easier and cheaper to be bought.

Have a great night.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:15 | Link to Comment wisefool
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+1 and Thanks.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:37 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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I agree with you and EvlTheCat about junkers.

PMs could be used to take society back to 100% fuedalism. We dropped the gold standard in the 1970s because we had already spent the last 400 years shipping it back to europe.

The issue I have with this statement is that dropping the gold standard enabled the US to default on its debts - which we can see, 40 years later, was destined for collapse because it inherently was designed to transfer wealth from the productive to the unproductive. The parasites will have to seek out a new host for the US population is divided, demoralized, and educationally inbred beyond hope at this point - they've left 44,000,000 of us on food stamps alone.  

EvlTheCat posted Washington's quote:

"Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder."

This is why Greenspan could write the following and turn his back on humanity:

In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 22:19 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Right. I am not an expert. But from what I understand about the default in the 1970s is that it was triggered in part by france making a "bank run" for the gold. We paid them in gold because thats what they were entitled to and we had a soft spot for thier plight in WWII, but then we could not provide the redemption for our own citizens. And we knew that all the easy viens of gold had been tapped out on our soil.

Kinda like when the King tells the Earl "we are going to war. give me gold or give me men (including yourself)" The earl tells that to the duke. The duke tells that to the baron, and the baron sends out knight to raise armies or gold. Thats where I got the fuedalism thing from. Right or wrong, france and other holders of currency, even if we gave them the currency via the marshal plan, were higher on the peerage so we naively sucked it up intrade for the privelege of running our own little post colonial fiefdom for the worlds oil.

If we have replenished the ammount of gold in our treasury to not be outclassed by the chinese, japanese, Euro's, russians, hell even arab dictators .... we could give it a shot. But what I get from the ZH posts about JPM, SLV and whether the Federal reserves gold is actually US owned (See die hard 3, the "Feds" gold had different countries names on the piles in the vault.)

If we dont have enough (outside of the ZH community, self included towit not having PMs) we would have to default on somebody again. So why not default on everyone internationally with the benie bucks, but use this as an opportunity to fix the corruption in this country moving forward? Rebase line via the exact tool you mentioned? instead of 20% of the country getting a food stamp allotment give every single person in the country an equal food stamp allotment? (thanks evlcat for the solient green avatar). And don't let the politicians let people start spending them on fast food and other sin stuffs.

Equal food stipend for everyone. Not like that bullshit Bush the Second $600 check if you made less than $75k/yr. or $1800 if you you were a married couple with two kids and made less than $100k/yr.

Sure it is communism, and outright inflation. But (George Washinton's excellent wisdom aside) it would be for just food, and it would be equal, and could effectively re-baseline lots of the bullshit that goes on in the entitlement game. Not to mention the other side .... the charitable deduction to your buddies charity game to feed some obese, yet starving, american kid.

I can not understand greenspan before his chairmanship, during his chairmanship. or after his chairmanship so I respectfully leave that part of your post alone.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 23:51 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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I know you were replying waterwings, but I would like to address one part of your post.  Again due to my overwhelming ignorance on historical and modern economics I will only engage you on the entitlement point.

My view on entitlement is it becomes something, first, which is expected by subsequent generations, and then as a result, of endurance, is seen as a fundamental right by people.  When this door is opened how does a government, for instance, pick and choose what can be entitled, and what shouldn't be entitled?  To that end, when hard times are present, and from my experience this is cyclical, and a government must decide what sacrifices are to be made, they have set themselves up for a needless fight if they wish to diminish or do away with any entitlement now seen as a fundamental right.  Our current kick the can down the road scenario.

All areas of entitlement are stigmatic as they are currently executed in my opinion.  It is a handout, where no return is expected.  Instead of giving the fish away for free, it seems we should be teaching those less fortunate how to fish.  To bastardize a biblical proverb.  Why a stipend?  Why not utilize all our wasted and underutilized land and create cooperatives where people can grow their own food? Instead of developing the umtyninth useless housing complex or sitting on our asses on the weekend drinking beer and watching TV.  Grow something edible.  Energy out yielding positive returns builds character, knowledge and pride.  These traits are foundation characteristics which challenge individuals to become successful in all areas.  What we have done with our current system is fostered laziness, ignorance and dependence.

Should we send old people out into the fields to break their backs?  No, in any system wisdom is the best teacher.  Those who can't work, teach.

In my opinion this can be applied in any area of entitlement.  Nutty, radical ideas, I know.  So totally and absurdly crazy they will never be executed.  I am sure.  However, this is the kind of hope and change I would believe in and take pride in as an American.

I would go on about how I feel this is how our forefathers envisioned American when they penned the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but I am to damned tired.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 00:06 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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And to add one more point:

And to those who are not less fortunate, banks, industry, Wall Street, and who have their hands out....  They should be bitch slapped away in disgust and allowed to fail, so these individuals really understand what it means to be destitute. Then when they queue up BEHIND everyone else in the entitlement line, they can understand what regular Americans are faced with when trying to provide for their families.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 00:40 | Link to Comment wisefool
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The wall streeters might counter your agrarian argument with a quality of life one. They might tell you that they  "liberated" peoples wealth that people had tied down in thier properties. for their part they spent it on technological advancements like the interwebs that raised human conciousness beyond the toll of agrarian subsistance, so they did not fail.

They might say that the western world poor wasted the great gift of debt on processed food, fancy vehicles to drive there, and facebook acounts to show kilroy was there.  When they could have used that HELOC to teach thier kids how to cook thier own meals with the highest quality ingredient from whole foods. But nope, they spent it on applebees. They spend those food stamps on 100% processed food.  So your vision of community agraianism is missing a couple of baby steps..... Thats why I said the average american would not know how to efficiently use a bushel of wheat, much less the effort required to know how to produce it.

To your earlier post, it is very, very hard to roll back subsidies, and thats where corruption takes hold. I remember something about warren buffet saying in 2008 "these are the times when you figure out who was swimming naked" Me thinks uncle warren was wearing a sexy little speedo his tax accountant/charity funnel got him for christmas. So take the relativity out of it and you will elminate lots of the corruption and resentment thereof. Then you will see who is really unfortunate and who is not. And I'll bet you'll find some people in financial services (unlike uncle warren) who where impoverished far more than some of the people who we think are "destitute."

Speaking of which, I think it was announced today that in a few years, all SS checks must be direct deposited to a bank account. Sure the banks are going make interchange fees, but at the same time there are going to be alot fewer endorsed paper checks being brought in by 20 somethings on behalf of thier 120 year old great grand parent who does not have a checking account .......

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 10:06 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Yes, well I would say it is about living a quality life vs. a quantity life, but I know they still wouldn't get it.

My idea is missing a few leaps in logic.  I will admit that, but its not so much the idea as the need to break peoples dependence on the government and its handouts for votes policy.  I know we are not equal in the ways we grow up, but fundamentally I would like to think people, if offered the choice, would like to create and provide for themselves. However, I am afraid, like electrical current, people will always choose the path of least resistance.

No, Americans really do not understand the meaning of the word destitute unless they have been abroad.  I spent time in Honduras building houses and churches during my summers off in college.  I was tired and searching for words.  My grandfather one day started telling me about the Great Depression a time when he was 5 years old.  It is part of what made me open my eyes to the current free spending, party time attitude, both our government and society have become addicted to.  I guess societal ignorance is cyclical too.

I am saddened to know that nothing will change, but continue forward, until pain, suffering, rage and death springs forth.  It is nice however to know there are individuals out there, like you, who will take the time to converse about the subject.

Take care and thanks!

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 11:46 | Link to Comment wisefool
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<sarc> Junked you, cause I had nothing more to say, and you ommited the fact that things will never change </sarc> :) 

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 13:16 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Junk reciprocated!  Happy holiday weekend!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:17 | Link to Comment jbritely
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I think it was Misses that said we have no idea what the best type of money is because the government always forbids experimentation.  How about a silver coin that allows redemption for a busshel of wheat in a certain month.

 

PS These math problems to post are too hard after a long day.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:28 | Link to Comment wisefool
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PMs: It would be worth a shot (literally). But there is way too much room for fraud, and or violence on top of fraud. Just like the average person in America would have no idea what to do with a bushel of wheat, less than 1% would know how to assay silver.

Extreme Fiat: Like you said, governments do not allow for experimentation, less than one percent of the population could do a chain of title in foreclosure gate on a McMansion. Including 100% of the people who worked for Freddy, Fannie, Sallie, etc. But ironically, I guarantee even the most junior IRS agent could take your house in a day if you did not pay your taxes.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 22:50 | Link to Comment johnnynaps
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I junked you because I know grave robbery will not be revisited unless you bring a crane with you these days. I work in the funeral industry.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 23:45 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Do you mean the vaults are too hard to break open? or that they are too heavy to dig up? Or that the metal used to make the vaults is going to be worth as much as the gold sliver jewlry inside so that a theif would want to take the whole thing to the smelter?

Honest question. I ask because the fire/gun safe industry has a little bit of grab ass going on on youtube showing how easy it is to break open their competitors' safes.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 05:03 | Link to Comment Zardinuk
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i didnt junk you but your comment sounds like you are trying too hard to impress. just keep it nice and short and preferably funny. also a lot of drunks on friday night like to press junk on everyone they think sounds weird.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:29 | Link to Comment D.M.
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Beautiful, I couldn't have said it better myself. I have a feeling that the "rule through chaos" will backfire and the world will be thrown into another dark age but this time, with 7 billion people who have such a ridiculous level of interdependency and total reliance on fossil fuels, will lead to a brutal and nasty period that cannot be compared to any hardship humanity has ever witnessed.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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Yes, it will be dark age indeed. You can expect mass starvation and plague when fiat currency is demonetized. Wars will ensue, the structure of production will disintegrate, and capital will be cannibalized.

Reliance on fossil fuels is not a problem. Unless one has a crystal ball, and can with precision predict the role of things like human ingenuity, the only objective source of information regarding the future scarcity of oil is the collective judgment of a multitude of speculators putting their own fortunes on the line. And it is seen that the ratio of market prices of oil and gold have been stable for decades.

>a brutal and nasty period that cannot be compared to any hardship humanity has ever witnessed

Perhaps it's comparable to this:

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/954_Gallagher_Venice_rig.html 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment D.M.
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Great article! It never ceases to amaze me how much we can learn from history, and how short sighted we are for neglecting to learn from the mistakes of our ancestors.

I never dismiss human ingenuity, but the uses of fossil fuels extends much further than simply energy. Industrialized civilization dug it's own grave by investing so much of our future in the fossil fuel derivatives. From farming to toothbrushes, paint to tires, plastics to resins, machinery and even the extraction of the fuels themselves, to creating and moving said products to the farthest corners of the globe. Everything is built with planned obsolescence. Everything is disposable. Nothing is built to last and all stores have implemented "Just In Time" inventory. We have forgotten how to live without any of these conveniences and will pay the price when they are no longer accessible. That and the sheer number of people on this planet will magnify the intensity of the crises, which I personally feel will surpass that of Venice in the 1340's. 

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:12 | Link to Comment trav7777
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ROTFL.

Money doesn't MATTER.  Why can't you people figure that out?  If the FRN goes to shit it will be replaced with something else.  GFD, man, there are BIG countries with hundreds of millions in them that are on their 3rd currency in the past couple decades!

What matters are real things like oil.  There is no reason for the ponzi to decide to inflect now other than the energy supply curve that underpins EVERYTHING is inflecting.

All those dollars you have, that anyone has, are merely claim tickets against some real THING that was brought into existence as a result of the application of force over distance, aka work or energy.  The rate at which energy is expended is power.  It's really this simple.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 19:16 | Link to Comment D.M.
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Money is a debt on future production. The problem is that the projected future, that it's value is dependant on, is impossible to achieve. Every oil producing country/company lies about their reserves. Why would Saudi Arabia be drilling in the ocean if it has plenty of oil? If they didn't lie their stock and overall value would plummet. Saudi Arabia would have an Egyptian style revolt overnight and there goes 25% of the worlds oil. The world has been thoroughly explored and all the low hanging fruit is gone. Also the US is not Argentina, Brazil, or Russia. It plays a central role in a HUGE percentage of economic transactions and while obviously the world is moving away from that, its still our present reality. But with so much of the world so heavily invested in Dollar transactions, it will be total chaos when the FRN goes to shit.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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>Money doesn't MATTER.  Why can't you people figure that out?

Historically currency collapses have always resulted in economic suffering. You fail to appreciate the distortion in the markets - and the structure of production - made possible when currency is created at whim rather than being created naturally in response to the market demand for cash holdings. Undoing these distortions will be painful.

>If the FRN goes to shit it will be replaced with something else.

Yes, this doesn't happen overnight. And if your life savings were demoninated in dollars, you'd speak less glibly about this.

>the energy supply curve that underpins EVERYTHING is inflecting.

Prove this. And do you put your money where your mouth is? What percentage of your portfolio is in oil futures have you purchased?

>claim tickets against some real THING that was brought into existence as a result of the application of force over distance, aka work or energy.

So when I buy a painting, I'm paying for the energy put into its manufacture? Your energy theory of value is as flawed as Marx's labor theory of value. Please, leave the science of economics to the well-informed.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:44 | Link to Comment Thorny Xi
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>the energy supply curve that underpins EVERYTHING is inflecting.

"Prove this. And do you put your money where your mouth is? What percentage of your portfolio is in oil futures have you purchased?"

Well, take a look at today's evidence - read chapter three of http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2011/01/pdf/text.pdf  -- the IMF's first attempt to incorporate a declining oil energy production curve into macro-economics.  You can check the last 6 years worth of production data from the EIA, IEA, or BP's research.  Buying oil futures is not necessarily the best way to deal with a situation some people have been following closely for .. oh, 40 years now.  Personally, I am buying small hydro electric power plants - 100kW to 1mW - direct investments that pay well now and will pay a lot better when people who think they understand economics figure out that energy really is the power required to perform work over time.

"So when I buy a painting, I'm paying for the energy put into its manufacture? Your energy theory of value is as flawed as Marx's labor theory of value. Please, leave the science of economics to the well-informed."

When you buy a painting, you're buying the work product of a creative person who was able to somehow remain alive without doing much real work, a person who was supported by an energy infrastructure large enough to support him/her - an artist - though its surplus production.  If you can afford original art, you're in the top 10% of the global wealth distribution.  If it's good art, you're floating up in the top. If you're floating on the top, you've probably gotten there without doing much real work, if any, and your viewpoints are flawed by a complete lack of real-life perspective. In my experience, a person who can afford a Monet has no idea what the hell is really going on; they don't have to. 

Your lack of comprehension of the primary economy, raw materials and energy, indicates you might be about 18 years old.  That you call economics a "science" at all confirms this.

 

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:55 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Wow...what a veritable cornucopia of logical fallacies.  And you try to patronize me at the end of it, LOL.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:38 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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You have pointed to the economic collapses of Russia and Argentina as examples for your worldview. But there is no comparison with the collapse of the largest empire this world has ever seen.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 22:54 | Link to Comment johnnynaps
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Egypt, Rome, GB. But, the US will fall much faster.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 11:28 | Link to Comment trav7777
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bullshit.

The USSR collapsed and life went on.  There was no mass starvation.

Everyone thinking our stupid little empire is really THAT important- it isn't.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 05:12 | Link to Comment Zardinuk
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he doesnt have a portfolio, obviously. money doesnt matter to him, and mommy still feeds him cut up hot dog for dinner.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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The parasites are killing the host. Does that sum it up? They are too stupid to stop it. They dumbed down the schools, and their own children became stupid along with the plebes. Here come the dark ages again.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 14:02 | Link to Comment thames222
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on a greater scale, think of human beings as a virus of parasites and so forth, destroying our host, the Earth.  Have you ever considered natural disasters to be conscious acts by a sentient planet to rid itself of our species?

 

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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Reptil
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I agree. If a country's, empire's (or even a planets) polulace is reduced to a bunch of sick (radiation and corexit), insecure (prozac), uneducated (schools are not encouraging creative thought or problem solving), and clueless (MSM is now not much more than tiring propaganda) bunch of hairy apes (you and me) at some point there's not going to be many to steal from or put to work for the overseer's profit.

So... what then? I've considered a couple of (farfetched and logical) options.

A divide and conquer project out of control? Most likely. Look at the roman empire for examples, they were masters at playing their enemies against each other. Until some point this works, albeit at a terrible cost (war, environmental destruction), but it's now a race to the bottom, and the New World Order will be a whimper of what our world could've been if  a more constructive paradigm had been followed. Yes, IMO it's out of control, when you got nuclear powerplants blowing up, and most of the food supply of the population tied to the fate of ONE company (starts with an M, ends with O). At some point, there's going to be a breakdown in the natural equilibrium of our biotope. There'll be life, but it'll look like cockroaches, and trillobites like those found replacing the crabs at the bottom of the Gulf. Nature provides a solution, always.

The genuine demand to rid the planet from present overpopulation (so the grandchildren of the elite can walk on a planet that resembles a high tech nature resort)? That's the grand idea right? Alas, that doesn't seem to be working out so swell now doesn't it? The moment we're born we already have a dose of a couple hundred different carcinogens in our tissue. It'll be many centuries until the mess is cleaned up a bit. It must be a great feeling knowing it's your kids that will inherit this planet/dump. (not)

Just downright stupidity? In the middle ranks, the ones that want to join, eager to take their place, kick downwards and be on the recieving end from above, yes, but at the very top? I'm seeing direction, and a chain of steps being executed throughout the last 100 years. Deliberate attempts to dismantle the concept of the nation state and all the freedom of the individual it provided. Nope.. not buying the incompetence story. Never did actually.

Deducing:

A very different reason that we don't know anything about? Yes, that must be it. I'm willing to entertain all kinds of ideas right now.

There's bright independent thinkers here. Some don't even care about their rep. So enlighten me with your wild speculation and down to earth ideas please? WTF is going on?

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:14 | Link to Comment trav7777
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this country has a suicidal diversity fetish.  Consequently, we have placed many people into positions of authority who are not in those positions due to merit.  WTF does anyone expect to come of this?

Supposing we desire more diversity on the F1 circuit...should we take Sebastian Vettel out of his car and replace him with a person more racially acceptable?  WTF do we think that person is going to do with his ride, succeed?  Take the championship?  Or crash immediately and not only fuck himself up, but the drivers around him?

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:28 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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>This country has a suicidal diversity fetish...

I don't understand. Bush and Obama are both unprincipled, destructive wastrels. Where's the diversity?

 

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 05:18 | Link to Comment Zardinuk
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Bush may have inherited wealth, but that does not matter, his father was a POTUS and he did things like operate a baseball team. Leadership positions.

BOs only qualification was that he was black. Theres your diversity. I didnt vote for him but i might as well have, that way if anyone asks I can say I voted for the first black president.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:35 | Link to Comment Reptil
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Stupidity because of a desire to be "politically correct"?

You should've listened to Bill Hicks instead of Nancy Reagan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JQIoc2FCvc

I'd buy the idea that a part of the "elite rulers" at some point start believing their own lies and hypocrisy becomes an accepted even aspired way of life. But there's more. There's nuclear. There's wanton destruction. There's someone crapping in the punchbowl.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:47 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Bill who?

I don't get the sense that you guys really fundamentally understand the dominant trends of the past 30-50 years.

ALL things must be sacrificed at the altar of diversity...we will have diversity even if it destroys us.  Skin color matters more than competence and there are tens of millions of people who subscribe to this value system.  Everywhere.

And they in many cases are the ones NOT getting promoted.  And know what?  A lot of them are happy about it.  You will see them making apologias for the murderer of those two Britons in the Sarasota ghetto.  They're everywhere.  And they are not only suicidal but they want you to die too.

They want the noble savage to kill them AND you.  It's some kind of perverse self-hate they are inflected with and this permeates throughout western culture.  The slavs seem to be resisting, however.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:10 | Link to Comment D.M.
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+1 Bill Hicks. It's a shame that some of our best social critics have been comics and not people in a position who can truly make a difference. It's a conflict of interests, and with examples like JFK, our politicians know better than to speak the truth.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:19 | Link to Comment King Durian
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You're absolutely right, we need to return to the meritocracy we have been for so long. Giving someone a position just because of their skin is a racist policy in itself, and ability, and only ability should be the basis of giving someone a position. Otherwise, the whole organization is weakened.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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"most of the food supply of the population tied to the fate of ONE company (starts with an M, ends with O)."

One should not be worried about any company having too large a share of the market. If they charge too high a price for their goods, then new entrepeneurs seeking profit will enter the field to undermine them. And even preventing competitors from appearing through the use of legal bludgeons does not suffice. As any company grows too large, it destroys the ability of the market to price its internal goods and services. Without an effective price system, economic calculation among the company's internal divisions becomes impossible and the company becomes impossible to operate rationally. The result is malinvestment, waste, and financial losses for the owners.

"The genuine demand to rid the planet from present overpopulation (so the grandchildren of the elite can walk on a planet that resembles a high tech nature resort)?"

The planet is grossly underpopulated. There are far too few people, and far too many material factors of production waiting to be transformed into economic goods. And your suggestion is crazy. Even the most massive structures created by man - e.g. skyscrapers - would degrade and become uselss within decades without a large population and economy to maintain them and protect them against the elements.

"Deliberate attempts to dismantle the concept of the nation state and all the freedom of the individual it provided."

How can one be free if they are subjugated by a nation state? Am I free? My nation state prevents me from taking too large a dump: http://mises.org/daily/3997

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Reptil
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Monsanto:

Survival becomes an issue and extinction a likely outcome if there's not enough diversion to cope with sudden changes. We're just as much subject to those "iron rules" as any living organism. Watch this with intent, it has a high amount of turtleneck rethoric, but the facts are damning: http://www.livestream.com/deepakhomebase/video?clipId=pla_d8d3ec85-2df4-...

"I'm not afraid" Luke Skywalker
"You will be. You will be" Yoda

Putting those psychopaths in charge is a sure guarantee for total failure. I cannot arrive at any other conclusion

Under/overpopulation

Please note; it's the ideas of the elite (agenda 21) I'm simply putting in a few words here. I'm trying to find reasons for the ongoing march off that cliff, not to defend those. How about fair trade, instead of free trade. You'd expect those weak UN guys to aspire fair trade, right? Wrong. It's all one big nasty smelly soup with a few bigger lumps sticking out.

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ztmhONi4k

Seperately from this, it is however chrystal clear that americans (and those that embraced the consumption culture) do have difficulties seperating the concept of "squandering for the sake of it" from "living the good life". I have no qualms suspecting you're any different from the rest of you wasteful lot. ;-) Of course I'm arrogant european aristocracy so WTF do I know. lol

The state as keeper of Freedom

IMHO read Rousseau. Read other writers of the enlightenment period. The State was a construct to ensure freedom of the individual, by setting some practical rules, and within very defined and strict confines allowing a part of the State to enforce those rules. The idea of free markets stems from the idea that there can be a lasting construct like that. Alas, too many now confuse patronism with capitalism, and cronyism with mark to market. The idea of a State is not wrong, it's just that keeping it out of the wrong hands failed. Example: over here we have strong anti cartel laws, which should guarantee a level playing field (those are now trampled by the European Commission, but that's another story). I.o.w. because of clear and transparent laws and law enforcement, market manipulation can be avoided. And we all know that manipulation will lead to the State itself will collapse eventually (now).

“First the free market dies, then dies democracy." Folker Hellmeyer

As a solution (I agree with you it's a mess now) to protect democracy/level playingfield, instead of the disastrous "winner takes all" model, I'd suggest decentralisation, so the lines between citizens and those that are supposed to represent them is kept short and managable. It's just like a war, if you stretch out the supply lines to your army and home base too thin, there's bound to be problems. You'd then get the next best thing to anarchy; a number of decentralised smaller states within the bigger construct of human coöperation. That can go just as wrong though. What I'm proposing is a federation of states, where the states have more power, in internal matters.

As for the inevitable discussion on "man is inherently evil" or "inherently good" wich comes after that mostly, I think there's no clear answer, and it's a combination of those, in a sort of balance. That balance is off. This guy has some interesting ideas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg1A0GdIIxw

I do think it's needed to think about issues of philosophical nature, otherwise actions and even strategies would lack direction. Please remember, the people that oppose us have direction!

I therefore hope this discussion goes someplace.

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:32 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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Well said. I give you 1000 +s

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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>americans (and those that embraced the consumption culture) do have difficulties seperating the concept of "squandering for the sake of it" from "living the good life".

I'm not sure what you are getting at exactly. Wearing a $10,000 fur is a complete waste of resources in my view, but in someone else's view it may be necessary to remove their felt uneasiness.

>The state as keeper of Freedom... IMHO read Rousseau.

I recommend reading Murray Rothbard, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, and Walter Block.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 08:33 | Link to Comment Reptil
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thanks, I will.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment OrestesPenthilu...
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No to Rousseau - he gave away all of his children as he felt the apparatus of the State would provide a more appropriate upbringing.  'Emile is all about negative reinforcement and being a small cog in the great machine of state.  

 

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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Natasha Fatale
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Very well written. I don't believe the sheer incompetence story either.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:40 | Link to Comment trav7777
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uneducated (schools are not encouraging creative thought or problem solving),

Schools can't teach that anymore because blacks typically aren't very good at these things and will underachieve and we simply can't have that.

Better to teach nothing so A's can be racially apportioned to "look like america."  Fuck the asian and white students.

Diversity is what matters, not intelligence or actual merit.  Diversity will invent the fusion reactor.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:17 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Politically Correct Diversity…

You have to speak politely or else Trav we will need to schedule You some time with the Doctor so that the Doctor can dope you up on whatever he is getting the biggest kick back for prescribing that day!

Be an Ignorant..

Polite..

Diversified..

Consumer..

Who is very open to re-programming later.

God Bless America! Fluoride in the water has made us Great!

The Greed of the Few.. With the support of the dumbed down Majority.. Will fucking drive us all off a cliff!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Reptil
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I disagree with you there.

1. Our DNA is coded in such a way that the difference between individuals is much greater than the difference between races, apart from a few traits like skincolor, hair, build, bone structure. Our nervous system and brains are identical. That idea you have was entertained in 1920 and before, by behavioral scientists working with skewed data and more willpower than evidence.

2. My present girlfriend is not caucasian. The culture of her people is a mess, with each and everyone looking out for themselves only, and a complete lack of planning. She however made the step to go out in the world, and fight her way up (using her brain) in an alien white man's world. It's a cultural thing, something that's evident when you live in a society where everyone's living together cramped. Please note I do agree with you that the ones that achieve must be able to be vertically mobile in their carreer path and also in social mobillity.

3. What is totally evident is not that there's blacks in control of the USA, that are screwing it up for everybody. It's that an elite is in control over markets, currency and thus society itself, and that the task of this elite they've set themselves is to remain in their positions. They can do no wrong, because if one of them falls, all of their positions suddenly become suspect. That's why it's so important to at least convict ONE of the bigshots, so there's an example/scapegoat. That's not what happens now though. There's two worlds. The one for the elite, and the one for the rest. Oh yeah, there's three now: guys and girls like us that are on to the game, and are trying to keep out from under the falling house of cards.

So... It has NOTHING to do with race. Putting a black guy in charge of the PR (Obama) is a brilliant move, since EVERYTHING he does has a double layer. His position therefore is to sow doubt. And, coming back to culture: I think in a land with an opportunity to live in smaller seperate communities (geographically), people never mingle that much and so are not forced to adapt their own culture to the culture of their (distant) neighbours. This idea of independence because of seperation is a mistake however, since essentially everyone shits the same color brown.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:04 | Link to Comment trav7777
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I don't care about your gf dude...nobody does.  Who gives a shit?

Her culture is a mess, huh?  Who made her culture?  Her race's culture is something you'd expect from people who are, on average, stupid and violent.

The statement about DNA is irrelevant.  Much of our genome is shared with yeast...so what?

Our brains are not identical and I challenge you to submit evidence that they are.  EVERY SINGLE physiological study shows disparities in brain weight between races.  All of them.  Whether or not you like to mudshark changes nothing.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 22:10 | Link to Comment kubrick007
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anonymous posters ranting from their parent's basements on the internet! the future!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 22:13 | Link to Comment kubrick007
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anonymous posters ranting from their parent's basements on the internet! the future!

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 03:56 | Link to Comment cowpieflapjack
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+875

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 00:36 | Link to Comment chindit13
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 Much of our genome is shared with yeast

Well, that explains it.  Every time somebody covers me with water and flour, I fart all day until somebody hands me a saltlick.  And then if they punch me, I puff up like that Kardashian woman's butt.  Who knew it was just those pesky shared nucleobases?  Plus, I always thought that Last Supper thing reeked of cannibalism, a double dose no less, bread and wine.  Now I know.

 

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Schmoo
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I'm LMAO on this - brilliant!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 18:58 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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I junked you for your first sentence. Maybe you live in a ghetto where it is socially uncool to study and excel. You obviously are ignorant of  the universal intellectual capacities of racial groups. Besides, I defy any one to prove they are not anything but mixed racially. Have you ever heard of migration?? Why do you think people in northeastern Russia are the same people as in north western Alaska. Do you believe than no Inuit people ever  headed south?  Do you believe Europeans never moved west? Do you believe black Africans never crossed into Europe and Asia or Asians never moved into Africa? Pa leeze, by your rational and personal example I'm lead to believe Caucasians are capable of understanding the difference between intelligence and conditioning.

The most widely held identifiable family markers on earth go back to Gengiz Khan. If my history is correct his genes traveled to eastern Europe with him or his sons. That means you have a high probability of Mongol genes traveling through your pure clean white ass. The Mongols also cross-bread with the Semites who moved to all points of the compass so you also have Joo and Arab genes. Wanna bet you're a mongrel just like the rest of us?

Get a life. Read more than your approved sources of literature.

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:11 | Link to Comment trav7777
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more incoherent "we're all the same underneath" nonsense from another "freethinker" PLUS a junk!  Too much LOL.  Do you think I give a fuck if someone like you junks me? 

You must be apoplectic that history played out the way it did seeing as how we are all the same.  Universal intellectual capacities...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  You have zero evidence for this, yet you state it as some kind of "conventional wisdom"

Black Africans never went much of anywhere, no.  As a race, they have historically showed little interest in discovery or exploration.  What they lacked in interest, they lacked tenfold in technology.

All your stupid insults about my heritage are wasted; how do you even know I'm white?

People like you really are pathetic.  You are incapable of a coherent argument, and try to emotionalize everything.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 23:46 | Link to Comment hewhohesit8s
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Lots of heat, no light.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 02:33 | Link to Comment SME MOFO
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@trav7777 - I always suspected you were an ignorant dick, you finally proved it beyond any doubt on this thread.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 11:59 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Ignorant?  ROTFL.

You can call me a lot of things, dickhead, douchebag, asshole, whatever, but ignorant isn't one of them.

You claim I'm ignorant because I am suggesting that reality is OTHER than your conditioning?

What EVIDENCE do you have to support ANY of the claims made by the guy I responded to?  This shared heritage of cognition...where the fk did THAT come from?

We're all the same?  Really???  You believe that?

You people are totally mindfucked...you won't take the red pill because your very complete psychological conditioning makes it seem like you'll just die if you do.  Matrix writ large and the sheep here are living proof.

If we're all the same then we don't need black diversity.  Thanks.  We can go around as many times as you want in this and you will lose at every turn simply because your argument isn't supported by any facts or any logic.  It's a dogma.  Wake the fuck up and look around you.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Schmoo
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He's calling you ignorant because you are. Race is a biologically nonsensical concept - you think 'race' when you see someone with more melanin content in their skin; why not seggregate  based on eye color, or hair color instead? Just think of the fun you'll have ranting about the inferior intellect of the green-eyed people of the world!

Or blood type, so you can rant against all of the affirmative action laws prohibiting discrimination against those damn B+ types.

Sound like pretty stupid ideas? Yeah, they are. And just as stupid as using skin color.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Marla And Me
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The Egyptians erected the pyramids.  Thousands of years later, we still don't know how they did it.  Egypt is in Africa, last time I checked, or do you also divide between brown and more brown?

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 03:47 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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It's amusing how many dimwits have bought into the entire "racism is omfg bad!!" propaganda fed to them by the jewish propaganda outlets.

Your western culture will fail because of this damage, trav. Racism is essential to cultural, political, and military success. I find it extremely sad for the American empire that you receive junks and hatred for your discerning views.

Oh well. I'm just glad I'm not white.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 23:52 | Link to Comment johnnynaps
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"WTF is going on"?

Truth hurts, so most of the World doesn't want to hear it. I think this whole mess is fixable though. But, it would take a visionary that this population will never be ready for let alone believe has the majority's interest at heart with the lack of trust going around.

I'll be the first to tell you how I have seen/see the future. If for anything, use me a a test subject.

Stock market: In 2001 (age 22), I lost more than 55% of my initial investment. In 2007, my awarded stock options went from $7.70 a share to 22 cents. In 2010, currency manipulation burned me. 2011 (age 32), the market defies reality. My answer: STAY AWAY, I've had better success at the casinos.

Housing: My government/citizenry/banks talk up real-estate stating it is a store of value of wealth in 02. 2008, house prices crumble. 2011, house prices continue to crumble all while taxes have never gone down. My assumption-don't trust the people, government or banks and owning a house is a TITANIC liability.

Jobs: ran a business and saw a huge increase in food stamps from 2004-20010 (my tax money). I lose my job in 2010 due to unscrupulous lending while my friend who runs a CITI branch keeps his (thanks to my tax$$$). He buys his Citi shares at a 20% discount and watches his protfolio grow exponentially while I watch my savings dwindle. Lesson: why even bother to feed this beast?

I could keep going on. But, what I am saying is EVERYTHING is so ass-backwards that I play this game totally ass-backwards now. I find a way, even if I have to get "Sicilian"! 

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 07:08 | Link to Comment Reptil
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I agree with you there, in this planned economy (it looks more and more like a &%(*# Soviet Kolkhoz every fucking day) NOTHING is certain, since it's at the whims of the ones in charge of the Chairsatan. They have a plan, and it's all going down the shitter. So I'm staying liquid (gold is money) and try to be nimble, hopping from crap investment to another, to continue trading and make some money. I also think some of the cards have already been dealt. Everything is moving much faster now. Timeframes have been cut by a factor of 10. Those that are now not going into physical PMs (even with a possible correction coming) and are putting these out of reach of government/banks will lose out when TSHTF. They'll get a chip implant to make purchases (if any). The electronic connectors will be gold or silver plated, and that'll be the PMs they'll ever come across. Can't say they weren't warned!

My thought: Stick to the market you know best, diversify, and keep an eye on the bigger picture. There's a chance of seeing changes coming.

 

 

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 08:29 | Link to Comment Reptil
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double again.... a glitsh in the ZH matrix? ;-)

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 08:21 | Link to Comment Reptil
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double

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 20:49 | Link to Comment OrestesPenthilu...
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Well put - I only found out about Bill Cooper 2 years ago - he was talking like we talk here in the 1990's....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIlTHmE9e_c

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 06:20 | Link to Comment Reptil
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"Behold, a pale horse" sitting here on the shelf, next to Phikal of Shulgin and "The CIA and the cult of intelligence" of Marchetti. (the "fringe but proven" part of my bookcase. ;-) Cooper had an experience that changed his life and carreer. Most here are not ready to incorporate this reality into their investment strategies. I ran into some hard evidence though that makes it very clear what the current position of the human race is. There's a group within america, that has access to technology, which ensures, regardless of the mess the economy is in, that they're "first amongst equals". That technology comes with a terrible price, though, and that is why I've warned my friends to get the hell out of the northern american continent. The payment is due, that's why I think (speculation), it doesn't matter that much to the shopkeepers, that they're crapping in the punchbowl of humanity. (It does to me though!)

If you read the book, you know wtf I'm talking about. No I don't think Cooper was right about everything. I disagree strongly on his ideas of Christianity, but his focus on other issues was spot on. Also check out the "Cometa Report", put together by a top level french research group. Freaky, but worth it.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 03:14 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Wealth is not created when everyone is stealing from and aggressing against everyone else. Wealth is created through social cooperation and the division of labor, not through theft. When people are abused like beasts, they will yield beast-like performances.

 

Indeed, that is the knowledge acquired by the US 19th century.

People in power can be depicted in many ways but one is that they deal in reality. They love to sell ideology to dilute their responsibility as leaders and usually take actions in order to increase their power. This is how they measure up among themselves: one is laudated when he/she provides a boost to the power apparatus powerful people draw their power from. This is what makes a great person in power: handing more power to his/her successors.

Now it happens that people believe in the ideology they sell and claim not to understand people in power.

People who want to believe that the US was created on freedom, not slavery, people who want to believe that the US was created on private property, not theft.

People in power have to deal in reality though.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 15:08 | Link to Comment buzzard
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Interesting how you use "socialist" as a perjorative and then espouse socialist programs. As usual I believe most people don't know what these ideological terms really mean. (And, of course, we have a fascist system not socialist).

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 14:47 | Link to Comment SRV - ES339
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The President of the United States is a puppet

Very true... of every President the ever was, and most likely ever will be.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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Andrew Jackson might not have been a puppet.

Remember, Jackson fought against Nicholas Biddle, the head of the Second Bank of the US (the Fed is now the third central bank): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Biddle_(banker)

Biddle made a futile attempt to fight back:

"To force Jackson to accept a re-charter bill, Biddle decided to shrink the money supply and cause a recession in 1834."

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:08 | Link to Comment MarketTruth
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Lincoln fought off the banksters and he got... oh.

JF Kennedy fought off the banks and reinstituted the silver-backed dollar via Executive Order 11110 and he got... oh.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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I am not sure why Lincoln the Murderer is commonly viewed as a hero. From his first inaugural address, you can see how he views slavery:

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." - Abraham Lincoln, March 4 1861

His subsequent acts of conquering and subjugating others paint him as a big fan of enslavement.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:30 | Link to Comment grunk
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You blaspheme Lincoln. I just called Doris Kearns Goodwin on you.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:13 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The spirit of rthe times was toward centralisation of power, and Lincoln was both the Pope and the Joan of Arc of that cause.   However much we worship him today, he helped bring about the subjuguation of the local and state level to the federal level.   The fact that today a bureaucratic central government administers to and regulates every individual in the US directly is just about as anathema to the project of liberty as defined by the founders as you can get, but there it is.   The progressives and FDR stood on Lincoln's shoulders when they expanded the central government's control early in the last century.    Rewind back to the reasons for the revolution, so concisely and clearly stated back in 1776, and you find there in black in white on parchment 'multiplication of offices' and 'sucking out the substance' of the people.    Well King George was a piker, it turns out.   To get back to the orginal plan you'd have to delete every federal organisation that administers directly to the individual or to private entities clearly not engaged in "interstate commerce" as orginally understood.   I.E. no IRS or "social security number", just to begin with.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 19:38 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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Ooooo! I don't know enough to argue pro or con but I sure do like what you said.

TBT later after TLT takes a spike.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:18 | Link to Comment trav7777
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who cares what he thought about slavery?

You define the sine qua non of life as revolving around black people, an irrelevant failed race with historical achievements of nothing.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:55 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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>who cares what he thought about slavery?

I do. Enslaving someone is a criminal aggression. How can one who purports to uphold the law have such a nonchalant view?

>You define the sine qua non of life as revolving around black people

I never mentioned black people. But, in case you were wondering, when any person is enslaved, I am offended. Even if you consider slavery to be acceptable, you should still object to from a purely scientific viewpoint. As von Mises demonstrated, it is not economically viable and market forces work to remove it in the end.

>an irrelevant failed race with historical achievements of nothing.

Of course your statement is entirely subjective. Personally, I find the Xeer to be beautiful and unmatched in this world. And I'm not sure I can really brag about my race's bloodstained past.

Furthermore, I like black people. The more, the better. Ceteris paribus, they help increase my standard of living. If you fail to grasp Ricardo's law of comparative advantage, then of course you would not understand.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:17 | Link to Comment trav7777
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you are utterly fucking insane.

People like you are the problem...your race's "bloodstained" past?  WTF race doesn't have a bloodstained past?  And wtf does any of it have to do with me?

I'm not liable for the sins of people who looked like me.  I'm not even responsible for my daddy's sins.

The xeer is a joke and so is your love of blacks, mudshark.  As for Ricardo's Law, it is irrelevant, unless you propose to move people like you to Africa where your standard of living can be increased to infinity.

Got a question...how are you using the internet in Somalia?

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 06:41 | Link to Comment Reptil
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We're still evolving. Some of us are devolving.

The verdict is out. The human genome is mapped.

There's more to it than DNA. There's information about environmental circumstances (famine, war) passed on in generations.

Though we, as sentient beings (well... some of us), do have options. The ones without friends and alliances are going to lose.

Pick and choose.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 12:08 | Link to Comment trav7777
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YES!

I'm glad you brought this up...environment DOES activate or deactivate genes.  Totally true.

Now, here's a riddle, what would you expect an environment created by violent, aggressive, and antisocial people to do to genes of offspring?  And what would you expect the environment of smart, organized, social, civilized people to do to the genes of their offspring?

This stuff is so effing patently simple if you look at it with your left brain and forget all the programming you've received about the danger of even thinking these thoughts from the MSM.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 05:21 | Link to Comment Reptil
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Violent, agressive and antisocial? Spot on. But not about blacks. :-)

It is my experience that within society most groups of people behave like is expected of them. I've noticed (as an outsider) that there's a specific idea about race, and percieved traits of that particular race, within the USA and elsewhere. An idea that is not so much alive in other parts of the world. So it's not a given.

On the one hand racism seems a very touchy subject inside the USA, on the other hand is racism very much alive there, I've noticed. And not particularly coming from a caucasian social group either. Actually, the BIG problem of the american lower and middle class is that they are hopelessly divided (yeah I've given up hope). Everyone's blaming everyone else, instead of trying some common ground and common goal. This division is so deep, I don't even assume I can get through to someone, so they understand my opinions. And it's not about me either, I've noticed this in most discussions about social organisation, and the role of different groups in society.

Compared to Europe, there's racism here too. And there's the same pattern of expected behaviour in some groups. But that varies upon place (London is very international, while the english countryside is not), and specific group (some groups of people have managed to fit in society without losing all their cultural heritage, and some absolutely not.

Furthermore, racism is learned behaviour, just like a whole bunch of other things. Once a culture is down a certain path, it's like a juggernaut, difficult to move onto a very different direction. Suggesting race has anything to do with the shape of the economy the USA is in, IMO is nonsense. It's like blaming the weather if one just burnt their dinner in the stove. It has no logical basis.

Please note that I think ANY idividual is accountable for their own actions, regardless where they came from or where they stand. I don't give a shit if someone's black, white, slavic, iberic, turkish, armenian, hongkong chinese or perhaps mainland chinese, if they're rich or poor, or totally unsuccessful and live in a box, or if they're woman, man, gay, straight, like to dress up in a bunny suit, nothing of that. The only thing that matters to me is what they do.

For me that's the only thing that counts in business. Citizens have a contract, a deal with society. If they fuck up, there's usually some kind of law in place. If society, in the form of a nation state fucks up, then the citizens must have the abillity to call for recourse against the state. And that's where it all goes pearshaped now. If nation states are replaced by something else, a form of rule that is not government in a contractual state with it's citizens, but is not bound by any law itself, the (mostly) small group of men that DO have access to it, put themselves beyond the law. We must, at all cost, put that other side of accountabillity back in place. Otherwise, we're right now nothing more than a bunch of serves with a nice life and some grandiose ideas how it all should be.

Talking about race and how some behaviour of some minority group (that is in the same sad situation as the rest, or even worse) is somehow the cause of all this, to me is a distraction. It may be important in your world, but if you call strict and equal accountabillity for everyone, regardless of where they come from, and connect that to equal rights and equal treatment for everyone, you might get further than just blame some underperforming part of society who never really got a chance to grow in the past anyway.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:00 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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Have to correct you sir, there were a couple that weren't.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:37 | Link to Comment SRV - ES339
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Haven't seen it, but will never forget a clip from Michael Moore's Wall Street movie... President Reagan was making a speech and Donald Regan was standing a couple of feet away. At one point Regan stepped forward and could be heard telling "his boss" to move it along, we have to go... his tone was startling, and the President capitulated like a scolded school boy. Regan was the Secretary of Treasury in the first Reagan administration, was a Wall Street CEO, and a driving force behind the Reagan tax breaks for the rich and corporations, and regulation reform. He then became Reagan's Chief of Staff and insiders accused him of being the Prime Minister in an Imperial Presidency (the Cheney of the 80s).

Was Reagan one of those non-puppets?

Actually JFK and Lincoln do come to mind... hmmmmm. My point was really how misguided the acrimony against the (any) President is... they simply must work on another level, within the structure of a system dominated by the real power brokers.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:31 | Link to Comment SuperRay
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not true of teddy roosevelt, who knew how to put banksters in their place.

 

Obama? He's pretty, but he doesn't even know how to fight..

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 17:37 | Link to Comment Natasha Fatale
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So true, TR would NEVER have let Wall Street get away with what it has done.

We need another TR, but who out there has the cojones to stand up to the Banksters? We don't need a rocket scientist, just someone who is fearless and refuses to be bought. Any ideas?

The only person who just might be up to the challenge, ironically, does not have the aforementioned appendage...

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Reptil
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Mwuh, of all politicians out there, I think a down to earth guy like Jesse Ventura is one of the least corrupted.

Mrs. Clinton, I hope you refer to her, is neckdeep in the same political manure as all the rest of them. If you're talking Palin, I'll grab another beer and let's hear it then. hahaha

Really, the profession of politician is corrupting in itself. One has to whore themself constantly, to be able to lobby the necessary funds to be elected. If a member of Congress misses one day of intensely sceduled fundraising, they're in a lot of trouble of meeting that required deadline. So you can understand why none of them actually read the laws they sign off on. Those laws are put there, in a slow and meticulous process (we both don't believe in the "incompetence" theory) by others politicians, that are in league with big corporations as well. What is in the USA a contribution, somewhere else is called "a bribe".

Public interest (like how nice it would be if we're not all wiped out by a slowly increasing but very lethal amount of radioactive particles everywhere, to name just one example) is then not served, but only those parties are served who play the system best, and are best in gaining the upper hand by messing it up for every one else. Look at the business model of Standard Oil a hundred and twenty years ago. There's your model, your proto version of what those corporations now represent. Kill the competition, instead of compete. They had enough liquidity to pull of a competative performance themselves, but ruined the financial position of every competing company.
The big problem with that is that the middle and lower class (in income) are now seen as the "competition". A possible threat to the privileged position of a small group of individuals, who are counting themselves as the "successful ones".

IMO the whole thing is one big failure. And therein lies the danger. The system itself is not at fault, it's just not robust enough to withstand the constant corruption, and some big loopholes, that started as insignificant little additions to a law. In this the system changed. It is now no longer a republic, with checks and balances as intended, and the limited amount of democratic feedback into the system of government now has disappeared alltogether. Therefore it would be unwise to trash the democratic model alltogether, much like some people are mistaking capitalism for cronyism, and a free market for a tight collection of overlapping cartels.

But they will. Since they'll offer a way out for the people, that is actually further down into the maze of a form of fascist dictatorship (a kleptocracy then changes into a more organised form of dictatorship).
I'm afraid that's the road of a world government. Create a mess, so people, in their anger, and blind panic, reject the system that is supposed to support them, and they are prepped enough, to accept an alternative that looks good as a short term solution. It might even work for a decade or so, and be called an upturn. But I think it's much wiser to fix the mistakes themselves, one by one, and reverse the process.

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:34 | Link to Comment D.M.
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There have been exceptions, albeit few. Look up JFK speeches and research the policies he was implementing before his assassination. He is an example of what happens when you take on the TPTB.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 03:58 | Link to Comment cowpieflapjack
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Pinocchio didn't carve Geppeto.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 14:06 | Link to Comment thames222
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i second that...there were very few of our presidents who actually had a mind of their own--Lincoln & Washington are my two dudes, you know they're legit.

 

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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment kengland
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You dipshits. He is the facking problem with this country. It's not Obama or Bush or Reagan or Wilson.

 

Look behind that facking curtain.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:49 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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You are correct. Why are they junking you? Because they hate to think, they want the easy way out.

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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"We <JUNK> you because we hate you for your freedoms."

Cass Sunstein -- White House Despotism Czar

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:11 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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Keng got junked by the cousins of the people behind the curtain.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:23 | Link to Comment MolotovCockhead
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You want change? Go stand in some street corner with a guitar and start singing and you may get some small change. Forget about Obama, he is fake put there by the puppet master.....that guy is probably not even an American!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:36 | Link to Comment SuperRay
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Dude, you're an idiot. TPTB love it when people talk about him being an american (like that's something special any more?). It's a nice side show to distract people from the real issues. You should be ashamed of posting that attitude here. Who gives a shit about whether he was born in america or not. His mother was, so he could have been born is fucking Iran and he'd still be american. Wake the fuck up...

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