One Step Closer To The End: MERS Corporate Secretary Demoted

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Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:05 | 975525 Ragnarok
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Fantastic! Blow it up, I want a 3am call to Obama/Geithner.


OT: Gallup Finds U.S. Unemployment Up to 10.0% in Mid-February

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:49 | 975672 covert
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that's just a wishful thinking kind of theroy. even though the logic is right, historically, it can't be. problems NEVER go away that easily.


Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:05 | 975526 The Limerick King
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No more MERS riches....bitchez!!!!

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:07 | 975532 DB Cooper
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I sure hope we can stop the golden parachutes (or trade them for lead boots).

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:19 | 975575 Amabo Kcarab
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Time to hand out the "Golden Showers".

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:24 | 975599 The Disappointed
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I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:36 | 975615 malikai
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Kerosene/Jet-A has a golden tint to it.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:38 | 975641 glenlloyd
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not unless it's contaminated, besides, kero is much harder to ignite than gasoline and we wouldn't want any struggling or messing about while we try to light it.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 21:16 | 976296 fuu
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Fri, 02/18/2011 - 22:05 | 976412 Problem Is
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"kero is much harder to ignite than gasoline"

Kero = Jet Fuel
I dunno... Two jets full of kero took down 3 steel reinforced concrete sky scrapers once upon a time...

That kero was SO powerful it knocked down the 3rd building just by breathing fumes on it...

In case there was any  doubt:


Sat, 02/19/2011 - 04:13 | 977024 Hephasteus
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Yep that kerosene is bad stuff. It's got british thermal units, american thermal units and a whole bunch of calories in it. I think it even has some joules left over.

Funny story though. This grocery store chain wharehouse burned down and the firemen though it was arson because the fire burned so hot. They thought it had to be using accelerants. LOL People don't know one Calorie in food is = 10 calories in heat. Which is why it takes so much fertilizer to grow it which takes so much natural gas to make.

In the middle ages people used to knock a hole in the castle. Stuff a pig corpse in it and set it on fire. It would mess up the jointing material and make it easy to knock the wall down.

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 16:05 | 977773 New_Meat
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Heph, food calories are K-Cals (x 1,000)

- Ned

{I got stuck with engineering-units enforcement this afternoon ;-) }

{{ed.  Did you REALLY have to bring up the 'burn the pig' comment? eeewww}}

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 13:28 | 977476 alien-IQ
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OT: WTF is going on with all these google audio ads here on ZH? I'm being bombarded every time I refresh the page. Loud as fuck and ANNOYING AS HELL!!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:07 | 975535 Amish Hacker
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Pyramids? I thought they were only in Egypt.

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 02:09 | 976929 Antipodeus
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I'm pretty sure there's at least one in Las Vegas.  "What could possibly go wrong?"


Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:10 | 975546 beastie
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Make sure you log in to mersinc (if it's still alive) and grab a screenshot of whatever crap they have on file for your mortgage. You may need it in self defense.

My experience with it has been that the info on file changes every 6 months even if you haven't refied.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:15 | 975557 Nepenthe
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Agreed. Mine shows JPM as servicer through OneWest and DBS as MBS holder. None of which is filed at courthouse. If MERS goes away title chain is broken completely.

Someone is holding a big pile of shit...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:22 | 975584 Amabo Kcarab
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Some are only coming up by the MIN, not property address or search criteria.


BTW...MIN stands for mortgage identification number.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:31 | 975627 Quinvarius
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Mine says investor chooses not to reveal their identity.  I wonder what that means.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:42 | 975656 Amabo Kcarab
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Generally if the investor decides to not reveal their identity, you probably have and fannie/freddie backed loan.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:47 | 975663 beastie
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You can check on the Fannie or Freddie site to find out if you are with them.

But that means diddly squat as this time last year I was with Fannie now I'm with the demon Stanley.

It's all bullshit paper.

Anyway if you want to find out here is the process



Sat, 02/19/2011 - 02:13 | 976935 Antipodeus
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+ x 26.5 for "the demon Stanley"!  LOL



Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:34 | 975629 Nepenthe
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BTW WTF is a MIN if it isn't filed @ the courthouse?

I've got plenty of made up #s in my head, can I play too?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 21:40 | 976346 Yes_Questions
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The FED.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:18 | 975570 beastie
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They are still alive. Go get those screenshots

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:53 | 975690 kwvrad
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ok question here , What if you were forclosed on already and it turns out mers was involved, does anyone have recourse?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 18:01 | 975713 beastie
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Not lawyer but .....

There may be some remedies.

Did they advertize the sale properly?

Did they attempt a workout or fake out?

There are a few more angles but the bottom line is get a lawyer

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 18:10 | 975737 kwvrad
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Fri, 02/18/2011 - 19:15 | 975917 MachoMan
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Yes.  You will need to file a motion with the court seeking to vacate the judgment against you or, alternatively, setting aside the foreclosure.  Generally speaking, you will need to allege a meritorious defense to set aside a judgment.  e.g. I paid that shit! I wasn't in default because I got an extension, they defaulted first, etc.  However, an exception lies when the judgment (or foreclosure) is void, generally on jurisdictional grounds, e.g. service/notice were not proper, but also because a fraud was committed on the court (not you, on the court...  if it was on you, you'll likely need to show a meritorious defense).  The analysis varies slightly, potentially, depending on how long it has been since the foreclosure.

Remember, your goal here is to extract money...  YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR UNDERWATER PIECE OF SHIT HOUSE BACK.  But, neither do they :).  Do not expect to get your  house back, just try and get as much settlement money out of those assholes as you can...  just be sure to deposit it in another institution ;).

PS, you need to contact a lawyer immediately.  (SoL issues aside, you may get screwed by numerous methods, including congress).

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:22 | 975583 knukles
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Hey fuck all, there we go!
Bill Hultman, front and center of the whole mortgage scam, the financial debacle, indeed the whole bloody downfall of Capitalism, Free Enterprise, Truth, Justice and the American Way. 
Look up in the sky, it's a bird, a plane....
Send his ass off to Pelican Bay, that'll scare the piss out of Washington and Wall Street, clean the system up, allow us to get a new, fresh, fair, altruistic, one for all and all for one, clean as a whistle, neat as a pin, downright, down-home, Ma, apple pie, (strains of national anthem, F-16 flyover) cleaner than Caesar's Wife or whateverthefuck the saying is good old American start.

Glad that shits' over with.

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 02:18 | 976941 Antipodeus
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++++ ... Damn, I wish we had a "F. Brilliant!" Button!  Tyler?  Hey, Tyler!



Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:22 | 975588 topcallingtroll
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Mortgage financing costs will be higher without a MERS type structure. 

When loans can be bought and sold easily (meaning they are highly liquid) this lowers the costs of mortgage financing.  Mortgage financing costs are going to go up anyway due to a number of reasons, but if banks have to hold these loans then they are going to charge higher interest rates. 

We need a non-fraudulent secondary market like MERS if we are going to provide the liquidity to keep the mortgage market as efficient and low cost as possible.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:31 | 975624 Bastiat
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"We need a non-fraudulent secondary market like MERS"


We needed a non-fraudulent financial sector. 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:48 | 975669 topcallingtroll
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that would be nice too.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 21:27 | 976318 Yes_Questions
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Yeah, ever since 1913.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:48 | 975667 beastie
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I know you are just trolling and loving it so I won't junk you.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:53 | 975691 topcallingtroll
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 If there isn't an easy way to buy and sell loans on a secondary market then financing costs will be higher.   Highly liquid markets have lower transaction costs. 

This isn't rocket science.  I know there are a lot of people celebrating the end of MERS however we need some kind of MERS-like market to provide liquidity.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 19:01 | 975914 spinone
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MERS facilitates securitization, and securitization is dead.  The government is now the buyer for M-BS.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 21:20 | 976302 Yes_Questions
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 If there isn't an easy way to buy and sell loans on a secondary market then financing costs will be higher.

Not True, investors will pay more for an actual AAA-Grade security, properly escalating the price on the correct buyer.  Besides, this will be on more factor needed to bring the price of real estate where it belongs..

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 00:15 | 976721 Fearless Rick
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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

Without a "facilitator" (otherwise known as some shithead in a suit who cranks out interest and fees on your sorry ass) such as MERS, securitization and fraud banks, home prices will fall to where they belong, or, something resembling affordability.

Back in the halcyon days of the mid-70s, I was a real estate agent. Made a good buck in a variety of ways. Houses were sold in all manner of ways. People who were F&C and in good shape often held mortgages themselves when they sold with 20% down payments.

When we get back to PITI = 25% of take home, then real estate prices will be where they ought to be. It shouldn't be a 30-year commitment, just as cars should not be financed over 7 years.

A person making $50k a year should be paying $650-700 a month for housing, meaning with 20K down, that person should be able to pay out a 15 year mortgage on a 100K home for under $800/mo

Now, let's get realistic. In the economy we're in, a couple is lucky to have both working full time, so let's take a couple bringing in $40K, with a kid, a car, etc. First, let them save $16K for the DP, then, they should be able to handle a $500/month nut over 20 years without sweating too hard.

It's what America used to be about.

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 00:27 | 976746 Rick64
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 This poses another problem. We will need non-fraudulent ratings agencies.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:49 | 975671 Amabo Kcarab
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Geithner...Is that you?

Wow I didn't realize you posted on ZH.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:57 | 975705 topcallingtroll
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An illiquidity premium will be a component of your interest rate without a functioning secondary market.  I agree MERS did not follow the law. 

Don't blow my cover!

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 18:48 | 975825 Rick64
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 Non fraudulent would mean registering all the mortgages at the respective county clerks office and fees being paid to them, the whole idea of MERS was to avoid this. If they are required to follow the law and pay these fees then these costs will be passed on to the consumer. So what would the advantage be of having MERS? In what sense are they a neccessary secondary market?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 19:18 | 975966 steelhead23
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Dear Troll, precisely how does the ease of secondary transactions help the original morgagee?  I might agree that by facilitating secondary transactions, MERS facilitates more rapid bank recovery of its funds, accelerating the process, but I do not see how this helps the original borrower.  Yes, banks may wish to charge more if the securitization process is forced to be slower, but mortgage interest rates are constrained by the demand for borrowing and if the spread gets too high, people won't buy or they'll find other financing.  We already have a "non-fraudulent" system of mortgage transfer - the county clerks.  

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 19:22 | 975983 viahj
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don't know why this was junked, it's 100% accurate.

without MERS (may they rot in hell for being sloppy and skirting state laws) securitization of mortgage pools will be more difficult and there will be less liquidity on the secondary market (whether it's a private market or the FNMA/FHLMC disaster we have now) thus costs will rise and hence your mortgage rate will also.  this will kill off what's left of the housing industry and we can surmise what effect that will reverberate throughout the rest of the flailing economy.

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 13:23 | 977467 alien-IQ
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you are just begging for a bitch slapping.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:25 | 975601 Rotwang
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Land patents:Allodial title:Filing for record:Recording:MERS


Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:26 | 975602 Matt SF
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What's really scary... checkout the number of foreclosure legal notices without the words "Mortgage Electronic Registration, Inc.".

Spoiler: it takes a while to find one.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:31 | 975604 Zero Govt
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The bent journos at Bloomberg are completely misrepresenting and grossly understating the REAL issue with MERS by stating, : "..under criticism by consumer advocates amid a probe into lender foreclosure errors."

The BIG issue with MERS is that it was DELIBERATELY set up by The Parasite Club to USURP STATE LAW as well as national Law. 

We're not talking about paperwork errors we're talking the lawless anarchistic above-the-law fraudsters of Wall Street (shares in MERS), Fanny and Freddie (both owning shares in MERS) and the wilfull deliberate shove it under the rug corrupt politicians of Washington DC. All 3 Parties in crime broke and pissed over State and national Law in the process.

Bloomberg once again prove to be a laughing stock of spineless crony journalists, great for the 'integrity' of your brand, well done arsewipes

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