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Ongoing Bad News Forces TEPCO To Blame Computers; Still Unclear How Japan Will Fund Recovery Efforts

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After first it was disclosed that TEPCO does not know the different between millions and thousands, the firm which is now set to be at least partially nationalized, has decided to blame its computers for the ongoing catastrophic handling of the Fukushima disaster. From NHK: "Tokyo Electric Power Company says it will review all data on radiation
leaked from the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, citing errors
in a computer program. The utility says it found errors in the program used to analyze
radioactive elements and their levels, after some experts noted that
radiation levels of leaked water inside the plant were too high
." In other words, every "fact" you have heard so far in the past 3 weeks - you can forget it. And since the BLS is coming, and the Nasdaq is about to fund (105% debt financed) the Japan government's multitrillion restoration effort, it will all be well from now.

From NHK:

The company and the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency say previously released data may have shown the levels of tellurium-129 and molybdenum-99 to be higher than they really were.

But they say that levels of iodine-131, which has a significant impact on humans and the environment, remain unchanged.

Tokyo Electric releases data on radioactivity inside the plant compound and in nearby seawater and soil.
The radioactive substances are believed to be coming from damaged nuclear fuel rods.

The data is crucial for identifying the source of radioactive leaks and assessing their impact on the environment.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has told the company to find out why the errors occurred and to take steps to prevent a recurrence.

And while joiking about who gets to fund the Japan quake relief, it seems nobody has any clue yet who ends up footing the bill. From Market News:

Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan on Friday repeated that the government cannot make a decision on how to finance the high cost for rebuilding the quake-hit northeastern areas until it listens to the views of experts and various parties involved.

Faced by more legislative challenges in the hung parliament, Kan also told a news conference that he will seek an agreement between the ruling coalition led by the Democratic Party of Japan and the opposition parties, the latter of which holds a majority in the upper house.

Asked if he plans to re-invite Sadakazu Tanigaki, who heads the main opposition Liberal Democratic Party, to form a grand coalition, Kan replied that he wants to "create a non-partisan structure to deal with reconstruction" of the quake-hit economy.

Kan said he will launch a reconstruction council comprising experts and regional representatives on April 11, a month after the massive earthquake and tsunami hit fishing ports and farmlands along the Pacific coast, triggering Japan's worst nuclear crisis.

He noted that suspending some planned spending in the fiscal 2011 budget would not be enough to secure a quake-relief fund but added that there is no decision as to whether the government will have to issue deficit-financing bonds or raise taxes.

Earlier on Friday, Finance Minister Yoshihiko Noda said that the government is not considering introducing a new kind of income or consumption tax or issuing new types of government bonds aimed at financing high costs for rebuilding the quake-hit areas.

Noda also told reporters that any discussions on the possibility of the Bank of Japan's underwriting government bonds, which is currently banned by fiscal law, should be held "cautiously."

So while everyone expects this disaster to be ultimately "accretive" to shareholders everywhere, the question of where this money transfer will come from is still out in the open. Oddly, the push back for another massive debt infusion in Japan with its 200% debt/GDP may be higher than in the "prudent" US. Then again in a worst case scenarion, BofA and Wells Fargo, hot on the heels of their NYSE-Nasdaq "success", can always come to the table with a "higly confident" letter to presell a few hundred trillion in yen. After all what's a little debt between friends at the peak of a credit bubble.

 

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Fri, 04/01/2011 - 07:50 | 1124399 Big Corked Boots
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Excel, bitchez.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 07:54 | 1124405 Highrev
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Still Unclear How Japan Will Fund Recovery Efforts

Really? And I thought the game plan was to print more money. ;-)

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:18 | 1124454 Sudden Debt
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Printing money isn't the only plan....

 

THERE'S ALWAYS QE'S TO!!

 

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:52 | 1124605 MonsterBox
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Funding is obvious.  they're not going to tax their population...  they're going to sell all that US debt. 

This may crash the dollar, but that's not their worry.  Of course, as they do sell to rebuild, China will see their dollar-based wealth evaporate and may pile on too with more selling.  (assuming that this isn't already going on, unreported)

Japanese selling of US Treasuries could be the dollar-crash trigger we've all been looking for/ worrying over. 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:19 | 1124966 sschu
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... they're going to sell all that US debt.

Good luck with that.  Large holders of USG debt are screwed, they are going to get paid in pennies on the dollar or not at all.

This is the stuff wars are made of.

sschu

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:26 | 1124990 Ahmeexnal
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If only the power elite could print themselves trillions of serfs....but...THEY CAN!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 07:52 | 1124402 AnAnonymous
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Kan replied that he wants to "create a non-partisan structure to deal with reconstruction" of the quake-hit economy.

Everyone will have one's piece of the bribes huh reconstruction cake, including the opposition. No struggle over the shares of the reconstruction effort.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 07:54 | 1124403 Oh regional Indian
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Wonder who has done the research on how many Siemens controllers were there in the Fukushima complex. If there were many (I'll bet there were), I imagine STUXNET might have been there too.

And that would explain a lot and also how hamstrung the Japanese are/were.

 

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/on-cue-goombye-truth-hello-sweet-lie/

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:04 | 1124425 MsCreant
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An earthquake and Tsunami happened. The plants are old. They had cheap designs where they cut costs in the construction process. They were not inspecting properly and hiding it. They continue to have quakes. STUXNET speculation is pretty far down on my list of problems that explain their response to this crisis.

They are reactive, not proactive, that is the problem.

I don't believe computer malfunction is the problem-- AT ALL. They lie to cover their asses.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:13 | 1124437 Oh regional Indian
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Perhaps the Japanese were hamstrung by said old and poor designs being thrust down their throats by ther Amrikan masters? And for all their ham-handedness, they learnt ALL about nuculear power from the same twisted ass-wipes at GE/Establishment?

Blaming the Japanese for a dragon out of control thrown in their backyard by a colonial power is just not reality.

Stuxnet, as Iran showed is a pretty nasty FuKur too, by the way. IT's presence could have put a spanner in any recovery works (nothing would respond as designed).

You have the same exact issues in your own back-yard. All over it in-fact.

ORI

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:24 | 1124470 Byte Me
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@ORI

Blaming the Japanese for a dragon out of control thrown in their backyard by a colonial power is just not reality.

Could you clarify that please.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:39 | 1124535 Oh regional Indian
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Byte Me, japan has been an american controlled puppet, in every aspect of it's functioning since the end of WWII. In fact before, if you believe the nudge nudge wink wink stories behind Pearl Harbour too.

America has directly controlled Japanese Economy, Industry, Culture and Education system since the time. Else Basebaru and McDondardu being Japanese staples are really ridiculous.
In fact, Demings is the reason for Japanese industry developing how it did too. In effect, nothing Japanese is really Japanese anymore. A visit there shows the same vast wooden Cube homes and concrete cube buildings so exemplary of American Ingenuity in Architecture. I am speaking in extremis and yet am 90% serious.

The god-awful GE designed reactors have been railed against since the past three decades. Japan could have been a posterchild for GeoThermal and Wavegenerator power as two of many alt. energy examples. Some examples of Japanese innovation, that I have seen (absolutely mind-blowing), have been suppressed.

Japan has been a nation in name alone, more and more with every passing day since 1945.

Which sane person would make the most seismically active nation in the world 100% nuclear power dependent?
I could go on as I have extensive direct experience of Japanese decay.

Please check out My Year in Meats by Ruth Ozeki, a tangential but chilling read into the above phenomenon.
ORI

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:51 | 1124599 Jim in MN
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Jeff Immelt heard your bitching and went to the trouble of stating that GE reactors are flawless.  So there.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:00 | 1124645 Oh regional Indian
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hah! You mean Jeff I'mMelt(ing) down and out?

ORI

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:01 | 1124651 Jim in MN
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GE is the real belwether stock in the US so please for the sake of the elite--er, humanity--  

STFU-BTFD

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:03 | 1124662 Byte Me
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@ORI

I am speaking in extremis and yet am 90% serious.

Please. Be much more serious, like 100% serious.

Again

Blaming the Japanese for a dragon out of control thrown in their backyard by a colonial power is just not reality.

Explain 'colonial' for the benefit of the readers, espescially our Japanese readers. As I am sure you are aware 30% of Japanese elec gen came from nuclear pre-disaster -- not 100%.

Hope your "extremis" ends favourably in the near future -- laying off the okra phaal might be a winner.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:15 | 1124699 Oh regional Indian
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byte Me, i stand corrected on the 100% figure. it is 30% and was planned to be raised to 50% by 2017.

The rest of your sarcasm dripping reply is not worthy of rebuttal.

ORI

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:25 | 1124741 Byte Me
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Why thankyou!!

Always glad to be unrebuttable. My hopes of your imminent recovery were heartfelt and genuine. Only the last bit was a sarky quip. Glad you noticed.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:31 | 1124779 Oh regional Indian
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Well Byte, seeing your little snark comment below, I suppose this is our last direct interaction. I made the mistake of thinking you are a genuine individual.

ORI

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:49 | 1124861 Byte Me
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For the love of Mary!!

You are just TOO easy -- and far too stiff necked - lighten up a bit and get off your high horse! You're wrapped up in a Möbius strip with colonial and conspiracy written large.

Evolve, and develop a sense of humour.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:21 | 1124981 MsCreant
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I'm still too uptight for my own good but I am working on it. Playing on blogs like this sure has helped my recovery from taking myself too seriously.

He may need to be wrapped in a Mobius stripper. She conspires to take all kinds of positions while colonizing nothing at all...

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:55 | 1125087 Byte Me
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+2E^6 becq /m^2

Now that'd be one talented stripper.. You come up with all sorts of interesting comments MsCr. I gave up taking myself seriously for Lent and may make a career out of it.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 12:20 | 1125376 MsCreant
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;-)

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:54 | 1124883 AnAnonymous
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Explain 'colonial' for the benefit of the readers, espescially our Japanese readers.

 

Colonial as a country, acknowledged democracy and all,that  voted a government with a mandate to remove a foreign military base from their soil and failed at doing it.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:44 | 1124563 LowProfile
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Best to ignore him.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:18 | 1124707 Byte Me
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(Shhhh, I usually do LP -- nice mute avatar...)

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:40 | 1124527 Roger Knights
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Weren't foreigners (some int'l. agency) nudging them last year to beef up their plant? And didn't TEPCO say no?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:25 | 1124753 MsCreant
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I don't have the link but I read that too. I know they were supposed to decomission it and did not.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:18 | 1124452 Chumbadumba
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I want to make a radioactive two-headed baby with you!

I AM CHUMBADUMBA! LOLOLOL!!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:41 | 1124547 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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She has the STUXNET virus.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:53 | 1124607 old naughty
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Is it the same one as Deepwater?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:53 | 1124612 Chumbadumba
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IT'S OK, I AM CIRCUMSIZED

I AM CHUMBADUMBA! LOLOLOL!!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:25 | 1124742 old naughty
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Chumba,

the one-eyed cyclop is "in", he can grow up with a vengeance.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:21 | 1162121 Marla And Me
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And that's the catch-22 of proposing a space for free speech: it's really easy for psy-ops fools to derail the conversation with idiotic charicatures of real commenters.  Here is our newest copy-cat - Chumbadumba

 http://www.zerohedge.com/users/chumbadumba

Notice that this character was created at least 43 weeks ago, but only started posting a bit over two months ago, which coincided with the return of the real chumbawumba.  I know we all love this space, but when I see stuff like this, I can't help but think that all that the Tylers do is create a pen to direct all the like-minded individuals to in order to make their identification easier.  There are at least 10 similar characters around.  Now that Redneck isn't around anymore, we get that green mouse.  At least Redneck was funny.  The green mouse, not so much.  His M.O. is ad hominem every single time.  Dedicated Trolls are all over this board, just like they are over at the Wall Street Journal (Marcia Crowley anyone?).  Sad...

Although I love this ZH information outlet, I often wonder if it isn't much more than a Langley/Brzezinski creation that the Russian trader Tyler had to agree to as part of his plea deal...

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:24 | 1124469 iinthesky
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Well since they decided to blame the computers it seems logical that the next step is to bring in the infamous virus to blame and if things go off the deep end the stage is set to blame terrorists for the whole mess. This way Japan may make a bid to rearm in preparation for a contrived war to pull out of decades of economic funk. Makes sense.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:46 | 1124568 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Since the virus has been in the wild for at least 6 months a counterargument can be formed by the terrorist lobby to deflect the blame back upon the victim for not hardening their systems against KNOWN viri.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:18 | 1124721 iinthesky
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This is true.. Very true!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:48 | 1124581 TomJoad
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Even the most simple electrical and electronic systems are generally FUBAR'd by cursory contact with seawater. The systems at a nuclear plant are not simple (regardless of their age) and in this case the contact with seawater went far beyond cursory. I'll go with Occam on this one.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:22 | 1124735 MsCreant
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You made my point better than I did.  There are so many issues that are obviously at work here that, for me, blaming a computer virus is over the top.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:28 | 1124655 Commander Cody
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The fact that these four reactors operated safely, within their design parameters, for almost 40 years is apparently irrelavant.  So, along comes an event that is well outside of those formerly considered credible and the blame is put on old, cheap and ill-maintained.  Your logic doesn't jive.

The fact is that what was up to now considered not credible (and there is science behind that, not just an ill-informed guess), must now be considered to envelope the design parameters.  That means either significant upgrades at other plants susceptible to similar events or decommissioning.  More conservatism must be applied to plant design.  That is the major take-away here.  It is easy to point fingers and blame, but it is not so easy to take a policy stand on a major power source and enact appropriate safeguards to protect public health and safety.

I am not trying to defend TEPCO.  They have not managed the response to this event well.  Emergency planning will no doubt be upgraded as a lesson learned.  There is a clear lack of command and control over the situation in Japan.  That must be corrected.  Attributing motives to this is pure speculation.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:31 | 1124774 MsCreant
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"Attributing motives to this is pure speculation."

Ultimately sir, you are correct. I was responding to the Computer virus explanation. How about this, I would look to all those things BEFORE a computer virus. Joad above suggests salt water. I am saying blaming the computers is cowardice and BS.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:53 | 1124879 Commander Cody
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Seems like there is some question regarding estimation of radiation and contamination levels by software developed to translate sample results to impact on the public.  This is an emergency preparedness function.  There is no mention of software being an issue in causing the meltdowns.  After all, without power software is useless and most power was lost very early in the accident.

The lack of command and control of emergency response is vivid and is not helping to mitigate the consequences.  Without a preplanned, specific capability to deal with an event of this magnitude, the desparate attempts by those courageous workers appears futile.  But those are the cards that have been dealt.  The immediate concern is to keep the damaged fuel from being further damaged.  With the extent of damage to installed plant equipment that has rendered it inoperable and probably not salvageable, the responders can only work with anything immediately available.  Albeit, the response on this aspect was painfully slow.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:17 | 1124450 old naughty
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+10 ORI.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:01 | 1124911 old naughty
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Hey, got my first (and second) junks. Hurray...off to the bar. Be back a bit.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:01 | 1124653 i-dog
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I posted this elsewhere here earlier (#1124417) in reply to a good post by Chindit13 (#1123767), but it bears repeating:

One might also ask why it is that the Japanese are incredibly well prepared to deal with frequent earthquake and tsunami disasters -- every house has an emergency kit by the front door with flashlight, blankets, emergency biscuits, etc; there are signboards everywhere informing where to go and what to do if there is a disaster; there are warehouses with emergency food supplies in major cities; etc -- yet TEPCO, seemingly deliberately, had only one stretcher, one satellite phone and 50 contamination suits for the whole fucking nuclear complex at Fukushima Daiichi! (Which explains why they are sending in only 50 at a time!!). Now we also hear that the workers currently sacrificing their lives are provided with just one 1.5 litre bottle of water a day, a couple of dry biscuits, and one dosimeter per GROUP of workers rather than the one EACH mandated under regulations ... and it took the company a week or so to find an extension cord!

In other words, the average Tokyo citizen was far better prepared for these frequent disasters than a major nuclear facility!! ... notwithstanding that, in their 2010 Annual Report, TEPCO stated: "During the year ending March 31, 2011, the TEPCO group must wrap up [sic] its crisis management efforts and strengthen programs for post-crisis growth and development". LOL!

Something in the venture between GE, Hitachi and Toshiba to plant these incendiary bombs ... er, sorry, build these nuclear power plants ... stinks worse than even Washington, DC.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:10 | 1124672 Oh regional Indian
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+1 i-dog. Cui Bono indeed.

I suspect a building-7 like response will be the answer du jour.

ORI

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:56 | 1124893 old naughty
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ORI,

It may be of interest to know there have been 38 EQ >6.0 since that fateful 8.9/9.0 on 3.11 in/around the east of Honshu area.

And the Dai-Ne (No.2) plant not too far away from No.1 has another 4 reactors. Just info...

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:41 | 1125061 Oh regional Indian
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OhhhEnnn,

I read recently that Kyoto (beloved city to me) is also seeing radiation readings far above normal. It's a big downhill slide and to deny it is just to be blinder-happy.

Speechless with sadness overall.

ORI

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:15 | 1124693 TerraHertz
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Blame Israeli/CIA hackers for Iran's reactor problems and their stupid Stuxnet getting loose.

But Stuxnet won't do much harm in controlers that lost electricity, were submerged in salt water, blown up, heavily irradiated, then sprayed with more salt water.

Really. Stuxnet irrelevant, even if it was there.

Now if someone could show that the failure to airlift in suitable backup generators had something to do with Stuxnet, then that would be different. But highly unlikely. Seems like it was just an impossible time constraint, even if everyone involved had acted incredibly rapidly.

Personally, I blame Stuxnet for my difficulty with these damned captchas.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:37 | 1124798 MsCreant
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"Stuxnet irrelevant, even if it was there."

+100

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 07:55 | 1124407 dervish
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yeah, right! it's all Asimo's fault!!!

 

never been to Japan but I never expected them to be such wussy loosers. Hang'em high! And let Asimo pull the rope!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:20 | 1124460 Sudden Debt
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never been to Japan

You had your chance. You can try again in 15000 years when the radiation levels won't kill you after 2 hours.

 

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:58 | 1124635 old naughty
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+24000

Or, just go, the computer virus is wrong.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 07:57 | 1124412 Roger Knights
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"In other words, every "fact" you have heard so far in the past 3 weeks - you can forget it."

They couldn't have done worse with Homer in charge. Maybe they could have done better.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 07:59 | 1124413 Cdad
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Well, problems at reactor #4 make it onto pictures.  Let's just say...don't go diving into that pool blindfolded.

But I'm sure TEPCO will announce a photoshop revision to the picture, and things will be just fine. So go get those S&Ps...while the wind direction is still favorable.  

http://www.fairewinds.com/

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:43 | 1124549 TomJoad
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I saw that this morning too. Pretty nasty things happening in #4.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:23 | 1124985 goldfish1
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The spin is is fulll meltdown:

"Seiki Kawagoe, an environmental science professor at Tohoku University, said it was unlikely that radiation seeping into the ground under the plant would affect drinking water. He noted that radiation tends to dissipate quickly in the ground, as it does in the ocean."

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/cae69a7523db45408eeb2b3a98c0c9c5/Article...

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:33 | 1125032 MsCreant
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Un-be-fucking-lievable.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:58 | 1124628 Jim in MN
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The SFP at #4 looked bad in the last helicopter video.  You could see that debris was tight to the pool.  The fuming from the boom truck camera is just furious.  Very Bad Things indeed.  Our friend element thinks some is coming from the reactor vent, meaning fuel is partially loaded in there too and inaccessible until the SFP is emptied, which is just about impossible short of major construction/suicide shifts.

Still haven't come across a good technical analysis of the actual radioisotope emissions--how much from which sources at the plant.

Weeks in and all we have is the Austrian ZAMG estimate, which has a text error in it that transposes iodine and cesium, from my read.  So that's not even properly citable (I did try to tell them).

So nothing on how much cesium, in particular, is actually going out.

Waaaaaaay behind the curve yet.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:02 | 1124416 Highrev
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The utility says it found errors in the program used to analyze radioactive elements . . .

That's what I call a confidence builder.

 

Are we approaching the point where we simply conclude that the so-called "experts" don't know their ass from a hole in the ground?

 

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:01 | 1124420 sangell
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I see. Now we will have 'seasonally adjusted' radiation levels that will be upwardly revised so we can have a falling radiation level for the following weeks cesium contamination. They say the Japanese are very quick learners.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:10 | 1124434 Wakanda
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++

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:31 | 1124497 old naughty
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Now we know why, the "computer error" in radiation measurements "contributed" to their slowing down since 3.11

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:09 | 1124429 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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"The utility says it found errors in the program used to analyze radioactive elements and their levels, after some experts noted that radiation levels of leaked water inside the plant were too high."

But the expert members of the ZH community said that everything was fine.

How come my hair is falling out?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:39 | 1124531 old naughty
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Japanese formula, use mixture of honey and eggyolk as shampoo...was it Chinese formula, or Korean? Damn, our brain cells are going.

Quick, WB7, my CD is not working, what was the reading for HK?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:47 | 1124584 Oh regional Indian
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Old Naughty, I see a melt-down in progress.

Where would you like your control rods inserted?

Ehhehhheh?

ORI

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:06 | 1124667 old naughty
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ORI, I thought they are already all in...the North Asian backside.

Ouuuuchhhhh!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:08 | 1124430 Wakanda
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errors in program?

who the fuck are these monkeys?

radiation kills!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:58 | 1124514 Zero Govt
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the Japanese Govt went nuclear (mistake No.1), the plant was set for a 7.8 quake but it was hit by a +8 (mistake No.2), it was sighted in a tsunami coastal zone (mistake No.3), the tsunami wall was 5.6 meters the wave was a 10m (mistake No.4), the backup generators had no fuel (mistake No.5), the electricity to the safety shut-down switched off (mistake No.6), they have no back-up safety equipment or even a plan (mistake No.7) and now they're blaming the IT software (mistake No.8)

"monkeys" doesn't quite cover this serial incompetence 

...and mistake No.9 the Japanese Govt are about to part-nationalise Tepco (ie. socialise the losses and irradiate the shit right across 99.9999% of society who had nothing whatsoever to do with the small 0.00001% of 'elite' Japanese decision-makers who caused this toxic nuclear mess)

I'm certain we'll be into double-digit mistakes before this man-made tragedy compounding a natural disaster is out. It's 100% Guaranteed when Govt and its always expensively inept 'public-private partnerships' are in play

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:20 | 1124720 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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As a country, when your debt to GDP is around 200% what's another 100% added to it? It just does not matter.

The grass-eater Jap fem boys have got to be pissing their Kotex panty liners about the thought of 300% D2GDP levels.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:49 | 1124833 Zero Govt
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yes we've already entered the 'Beyond All Sane Reasonable Limits' territory on debt, and Japan has pushed the boat out on toxic radiation levels too, so hell why not go on a Suicide Socialism loony binge ...maybe they'll socialise the radiation too, truck that around the country with the socialised toxic debt.... when Govt is insane there's no stopping it really!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:46 | 1124838 MsCreant
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Judy so nasty, pretty Jap fem boy love you long time.

 

Seriously, trying to make sense of their finances at this stage is as FUBAR as the reactor.

The world needs to pool their resources to help this thing heal, and damn the fucking finances.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:08 | 1124930 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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"The world needs to pool their resources"

Funny how conspicuously silent the great Nobel winner is about supporting this. Probably too busy formulating a carpet bombing plan on the land of his Muslim brother, Col. Wacky-daffy-taffy.

There is only so much time in the day you know.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:30 | 1125008 MsCreant
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Plus you have to look "marvelous darling" doing it in meterosexual style. What's a boy to do but look his best and work on his game?

Judge Judy, I think we are all whipped.

This is the kind of power vacuum where a strong fascist can step in, take the reins, and have support. Save us all from disaster, we will give up our freedom for it.

Ripe.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:28 | 1124989 goldfish1
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Emporer has no clothes.

 

And..."In the latest report of food becoming tainted, the government said Friday that a cow slaughtered for beef had slightly elevated levels of cesium, another radioactive particle."

Notice the adjective, "slightly".

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:30 | 1125013 MsCreant
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Where was this?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:46 | 1125073 goldfish1
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AP of all places. Yes things are actually that bad.

Paragraph 8

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/cae69a7523db45408eeb2b3a98c0c9c5/Article...

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:56 | 1125092 MsCreant
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Thx for the link.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 14:20 | 1125863 old naughty
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That was because the cow was slaughtered before 3.11 !!!!!!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:12 | 1124439 MarketTruth
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But... but... but Greenpeace, that establishment of high moral authority when it comes to protecting whatever is in their best interest, fully agreed with Japan's radiation numbers just the other day. Now Japan's is saying their numbers were wrong. Oh no, what will Greenpeace do?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:45 | 1124561 old naughty
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Hummmmmmmm.

+1 BTW.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:28 | 1125001 goldfish1
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Officials attempting to spin numbers downward.

Kinda shoots your argument in the ass.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:19 | 1124448 ziggy59
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were they hit with STUXNET? 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:31 | 1125022 MSimon
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Tsunami.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:19 | 1124468 Zero Govt
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"..has decided to blame its computers for the ongoing catastrophic handling of the Fukushima disaster.."

Cue Ye Age Olde Shakesperian Sonnet on Computers:  Crapeth In, Crapeth Out 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:41 | 1124534 Jim in MN
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BREAKING NEWS: Gov't eyes injecting nitrogen into reactor vessels to prevent blasts Nitrogen in, ....something....out...well it works for bourdeaux so what the hell.
Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:49 | 1124586 Byte Me
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Sounds groovy, maybe they want to see if they can cryogenically shatter the steel or the concrete. If the core fragments are molten then I suppose it's a bit better than injecting LOX -- but not by much.

Corium nitride aerosol plume seems fave.

Doesn't sound much of an improvement.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 15:09 | 1126095 constanceplumtree
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I think they were considering nitrogen during Chernobyl but the plan was abandoned.  "Battle of Chernobyl"

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:42 | 1124544 Straykitty
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Cui bono, anyone?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:45 | 1124559 bugs_
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the system is less energetic when domains of opposite direction alternate

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:43 | 1124560 Jim in MN
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Jeff Immelt: Our reactors are flawless (unsaid: pay no attention to the project lead engineer)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/01_21.html

GE: Fukushima reactors have no structural defects

The chief executive of General Electric has stressed that the GE reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant have no structural problems.

Jeff Immelt spoke to NHK and other media outlets on Thursday. Some observers say the No. 1 and 2 reactors, the oldest types at the plant, have a flaw in their designs.

He said the GE reactor has been in service for more than 40 years and is well-tested and well-designed and has been upgraded over time.

Immelt said in Washington on Thursday that he was aware of the doubts expressed about nuclear power plants. But he said it is necessary to diversify energy sources at a time of rising oil prices.

In the United States, more than 20 reactors are in use that have similar structure to the Fukushima No. 1 and 2 reactors. Questions were raised about their safety after the Fukushima reactors were damaged last month.

Friday, April 01, 2011 12:24 +0900 (JST)

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:46 | 1124578 Jim in MN
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NHK update (pic of US water barge at site):

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/01_33.html

Battle continues for Fukushima

Urgent work is continuing on several fronts to contain the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

Efforts to cool down the reactors continued on Friday. A barge provided by the US Navy is preparing to pump large volumes of fresh water by hose to a water tank near the No.1 reactor.

Workers at the plant are replacing seawater with fresh water to cool the reactors and spent-fuel storage pools. The move follows concerns that salt in the seawater could clog up reactor equipment and hamper the flow of coolant water.

Near the No.4 reactor, 400 liters of a synthetic resin solution were sprayed in an experiment intended to solidify contaminated dust and prevent radioactive materials from getting airborne.

Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Company is due to test the solution for about 2 weeks to see if it works.

Workers also face the challenge of removing and safely storing highly radioactive water found in and around the reactors.

On Friday, they emptied the No.2 reactor's condensate storage tank, with the same task at the No.1 reactor due to finish soon after.

The emptied tanks will make room for water from the turbine condenser, which in turn will provide storage space for radioactive water flooding the turbine units.

Contaminated water has also been found in deep tunnels extending from the turbine units of 3 reactors.

To prevent the water from spilling into the ocean, water-level monitors are being installed. The work is due to be completed by Saturday.

Friday, April 01, 2011 19:25 +0900 (JST)

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:56 | 1124614 TomJoad
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THREE FUCKING WEEKS! and this is what they are just starting to work on! Brownie is doing a stellar job there at Fukishima.  The very first thing you do in HAZMAT firefighting is figure out where your water is going, you do this before you ever open a hose valve.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:07 | 1124668 Kina
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These people are not that stupid. They have been quietly trying to do something else, like save the reactors, at any cost. They probably know very well whats up everywhere there.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:21 | 1124731 TomJoad
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I am 100% sure we are not getting the whole story. I am sure that at least some of the people on scene knew that the contaminated water was headed to the sea (to the sea.)  They made the call that it was better to get water onto the pools and reactors regardless of the contaminated runoff issue. They had meltdowns and explosions anyway, so whether they were right or not will be determined in later analysis.

There just seems to be ZERO credible incident command element here. Certainly a case study in how to NOT manage emergency response and particularly communications. I hope they can get this under control with no further setbacks or casualties, but I don't see how that's possible, given the state of the destruction and how close they are going to have to get to the pools and reactors. I don't think current tech in robotics is up to the task.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:30 | 1124759 Zero Govt
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Kina  -  no they really are that stupid ...dropping water from Helis and squirting it from fire engines is a plan is it? ....looks very much like the desperate flapping actions of headless chickens who haven't a clue... and that's proved to be the case with their continuing roll out of 'new' ideas

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 08:56 | 1124626 curbyourrisk
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Poll question:

 

Who do we trust more?

The US Government....Japan's Government.......Geraldo Rivera

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:29 | 1124771 Byte Me
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Ann Coulter, Moamaar Gadaafi..

...I'm losin' it if I've volunteered those two..

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:01 | 1124652 Kina
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Message to Japanese people.

 

Your government, bureaucrats and industry will fry ten thousand Japanese peasants like bacon than give up one dollar or one ounce of power. Enjoy your future of three headed babies, cancers and mystery sicknesses as these cockroaches lie to you daily.

 

You will all walk like sheep to the slaugherhouse and say thank you to the bureaucrats as they slit your throats.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:03 | 1124663 Kina
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What is the bet that this has taken so long, so much bullshit has been issued as all they have trying to do is save the reactors so they don't lose too much money.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:36 | 1124802 Zero Govt
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yes i'd agree entriely with your Govt outlook... however regards "saving the reactors" and "money" this is already very much a dead parrot (nuclear plant) ...this toxic bird has zero chance of recovery and its next path is to be covered over in a meters thick concrete coffin  

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 11:02 | 1125104 i-dog
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Ummm, let's have a look at the sequence:

  1. Build 10 nuclear reactors at sea level on a fault-line that is highly active and prone to 9.0+ earthquakes and 5+m tsunamis.
  2. Provide minimal safety equipment and no fuel for backup generators.
  3. Fuck around for 3 weeks pretending to recover the situation ... putting on a grand show for the public by spraying salt water everywhere.

Nahhh. I now think "they" (the borg, with complicity by some key TEPCO execs) planned for this to happen, planned for there to be an ineffective response, and planned to explain it away as "an unfortunate accident" ... that disables the Japanese economy during the globalist end-game. It's not over yet.

BTW, they kissed the reactors goodbye in the first 24 hours or so -- when they pumped boronated water into the first one (followed by the others).

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:07 | 1124671 Kickaha
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#4 spent fuel pool completely obliterated by the hydrogen explosion.  The crane used to insert/remove SFR fell on top of it and apparently destroyed the walls, unless the explosion got there first.  The only thing left is the metal container, sort of like a deep metal tray for mini-ice cubes, but containing SFR instead of ice.  Don't know if that was ever engineered to be watertight.  It was supposed to be completely submerged within the walls of the pool, and under 30' of water.  Steam coming from near the bottom of the "ice cube tray", which probably means that the all of the SFR are fully exposed to air unless that water spray happens to be hitting them at the moment.

Is it too early in the day for a cocktail?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:19 | 1124711 Cdad
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Is it too early in the day for a cocktail?

Nope...not if you are one of the millions that just don't exist in today's Marxist Jobs Accounting Regime.  Sip 'em if you got 'em and watch as the amazingly stupid Roach Motel [SPY] rises in direct proportion to E. Burnett's adorableness factor.  There is nothing to see here, and nothing to do here, and no DD to occupy your time.  No job hunting required.  No reason for labor force participation.  You just buy SPY, drink, and let the wealth effect take if from there.

And when your cup is dry, simply say "Computer...end program."

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:07 | 1124923 Kickaha
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Mimosa in hand, let us contemplate what must be done in Reactor #4.

Ice cube tray emitting massive amounts of deadly gamma radiation skywards.  No amount of sprayed water will ever fill as "pool" which no longer exists, but apparently can keep SFR from melting or catching on fire.  Stalemate.

Or at least until somebody (probably not TEPCO) brings a very large construction crane on site (one that could be scrapped afterwards due to radiation exposure) to lift the SPR crane off of the top of the ice cube tray.  Or, in the alternative, recruit a squad of welders, dress them in lead suits, wrap a white headband emblazoned with a rising sun around their helmets, shout "bonzai", and cut the sucker into smaller pieces.  Memorial service to follow.

You probably would first have to do a lot of clearing of mangled building steel girders and large chunks of concrete before attempting either method. 

Assuming that the interior of the fubared building could be cleared sufficiently, and assuming that the floor underneath the ice cube tray is watertight, maybe you could fabricate new pool walls off site and quickly assemble them within the reactor building without too large a loss of life.

With a little luck as to the above assumptions as to the floor and the clearing of debris, you could then fill the rebuilt pool with water.

Anybody care to speculate how many months it would take to accomplish this.  Will it require more than 50 workers?

Even if success is achieved, the next choice is to either wait the normal amount of time (a couple of years?) for the SFRs to cool sufficiently to be dry-casked or to allow the erection of a concrete sarcophagus that won't crack due to heat.  Either way, all of that work would have to be done by human beings bathed in radiation. 

I'm feeling right now that trying to think this through is not providing any comfort. 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:48 | 1125074 Cdad
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When are you bears ever going to learn?

"Computer...establish concrete sarcophagus around Fukushima reactors, 1-4.  Refill crew member Kickaha's glass, Romulan ale."

There...now don't make me teach this to you again.  If you need directions or assistance, just contact Duncan Niederauer at the holoexchange.  He'll hook you up with a room over at the Roach Motel [SPY] where the wealth effect will take care of you.

Got it?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 13:08 | 1125530 Kickaha
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Seriousy (sort of), I could puke each time the Star Trek franchise resolves the life threatening (or universe threatening) dilemma by frelling the anti-matter phase shifters, thereby immediately saving everybody's life.

I wonder if WB7 could do a photoshop of the Bernanke as a Borg.  Resistence is futile, BTFD!

 

Why didn't I think of that! (Checks status of stock holdings).  I'm up 6% today! I feel much better now!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:19 | 1124724 Kina
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We are assured the computers were wrong, radiation levels weren't that high at all. Tons of uncovered spent fuel rods ony emit a warm pleasant glow.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:24 | 1124737 TerraHertz
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Please don't tell me that the TEPCO measurement logging software confuses milli and micro Sv?

Actually, nevermind. I am resigned to it.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 17:15 | 1126625 constanceplumtree
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Maybe the software was from Areva and they use commas instead of periods to separate their numbers:)

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:26 | 1124756 william shatner
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So? It wasn't the snow?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:43 | 1124826 Homey Da Clown
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Not to sound like an alarmist, but is there anything we should be doing here in the US? Seems obvious to be stocking up on bottled water, powdered milk, batteries, etc. I'm kind of wondering about the food supply and where my veggies, meat and other items are coming from. Last time I checked, 80% of fruits and veggies are from California and cows and chickens are drinking rainwater.

How much canned beans can we eat?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:00 | 1124907 TerraHertz
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"but is there anything we should be doing here in the US?"

Ha ha ha ha!

Why yes, now you come to mention it... How about a couple of million of you take the child safety locks off your you know whats, and take them for a walk to Washington. Clean that shit out.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:43 | 1125068 MSimon
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Taking ALL the old crooks out is a bad idea.

 

You want to make an example of a few of them pour encourager les autres.

 

Making the guilty feel fear cleans up a LOT very quickly.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:56 | 1125100 avonaltendorf
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Well said. Not quite there yet, but coming attraction. I plan to be elsewhere when it happens.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 09:53 | 1124884 Kina
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The worst possible scenario I think now would be if there were a raging fire. There is enough material sitting there to make one or two hour inferno a national catastrophe. But I gather if there was anything to burn the hydrogen explosions would have set it alight.

 

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:03 | 1124910 Jim in MN
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Fuel rod cladding and concrete will burn if the spent fuel rods are dry for long enough.  A few hours. 

Normal fires are not likely as there wasn't a whole lot of combustible material to start with in those buildings. 

Fire in the pools is likely only if they have to abandon the facility, for instance if one of the cores goes to a new state we haven't seen yet, or if they suddenly realize they forgot or screwed up a different kind of radiation measurement.

The situation will remain on the knife's edge for, quite literally, years.  No water = disaster within hours.  Water = not under control either, but not overspreading Tokyo.  So there's your tradeoff.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 11:41 | 1125230 Jim in MN
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Yeah.  I learned more from the chopper footage which showed one end of the pool just hanging there with a massive beam or something mashed right down on to it.  It's a really incredible scene.  Four stories in the air!!!

I still don't know if part of the core is in the reactor vessel or not.  Better for them if it is, I guess. 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 10:10 | 1124929 PY-129-20
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Molybdenum has a melting point of 2632 Celsius or 4753 Fahrenheit.

Well, well. If you find it in your tap water, then you can be assured something hot is definitely going on. ;-)

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 12:31 | 1125409 CD
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Some more, allegedly latest, footage of Fukushima from RT.

Parts of the shots appear to be from camera mounted on water-pumping apparatus (?), getting extreme close-ups:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX0Vjar2J_E

(note: same as the video in the Telegraph piece linked above)

I wonder what the non-redacted version might look like...

Another angle perhaps not getting enough attention:

"A Japanese law laying out measures to be taken by the government in case of a nuclear energy disaster dictates that when a nuclear accident happens, an atomic power disaster response headquarters headed by the prime minister is to be established.

 

This ad hoc headquarters is expected to take charge of setting out the government's response and facilitating necessary inter-agency co-ordination within the government."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12933010

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 13:28 | 1125612 Zymurguy
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dis-similar metals in contact with one another + seawater = fail

and...

"Faced by more legislative challenges in the hung parliament"

 

I think this lying by the Japanese has got to stop.

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