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    The Greek saga continues, exactly as was anticipated. For all of those who don't regularly read me, this is really not about Greece but about the start of either default or significant depression throughout a large swath of the Eurozone. Greece is the firestarter and it looks as if we are starting to burn...

An Open Letter To The Financial Media

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By 1-2 and Marla Singer


It can hardly have escaped your notice that a battle of epic proportions, simmering at the fringes for months, was this very week finally joined.  Pursuing what can only be termed a "mobius strip news cycle" strategy, certain "financial news" programs have taken to throwing those pesky "parasitic" bloggers to the proverbial wolves at every opportunity. Given the tenor of discourse and the ad hominem pursuits of our mainstream colleagues, conveniently beamed right into our offices from the from the otherwise warming glow of our LCD panels, we at Zero IntelligenceHedge welcome the opportunity to contribute to the discussion- not, mind you, because our feelings are hurt (you can’t hurt something that doesn’t bleed), but rather because our appraisal of these attacks puts them on par with the baseless ramblings of the Tourette's-afflicted homeless guy who loiters about outside our offices.  Pure stream of consciousness, laden with panic and paranoia, and characterized more by shrill tone and volume than a respectable signal to noise ratio.  Desperate, and desperately ill.

Not so long ago, the dual-class share structure of newspapers was a bedrock principle of media corporate governance.  Insulating- the argument went- the paper from the whims of the public was necessary to the independence of the Fourth Estate (can't have pesky shareholders dictating sacrosanct editorial policy, after all).  Those days are over.  This change is neither the result of some maverick revolt in corporate governance, nor is it the consequence of a dramatic awakening by institutional holders (who would require close-order thermonuclear detonations to rouse).  It is merely the sad result of the most abject and base squandering of a valuable estate since the Manor of Marr fell into the bloodsucking clutches of early 19th century English probate.

The Fourth Estate has spent and leveraged its reputation capital in keeping with the finest traditions of 21st century investment banking.  As a consequence, these age-old institutions are quickly for the way of their banking parallels: Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers. We are actually quite fortunate to witness the historic dying gasps of old media, painfully resisting the very same creative destruction they utilized to, temporarily, supplant town criers, printed pulp, Valueline and teletype as primary sources of daily news-flow. When the future of no lesser institution than the New York Times seems uncertain, and Tribune's only real valued asset is a baseball team (and the Chicago Cubs at that) it becomes difficult to go long old media brands. However, like all dying industries, instead of changing their own ways they choose to attack the new guardians of the estate: New Media.  This is not to say "new media" is perfect, far from it.  It does, however, have the virtue of being effective.  Too effective, in fact, if you ask certain networks.  Is it any wonder that we are now in the midst of new "circulation wars" or that the same "yellow journalism" has once again become en vogue?  Today, however, we call them "click through rates" and "hard hitting programming."  ("Hard hitting" referring primarily to the effect the carefully selected anchors have on viewers of the opposite sex- and so it has been since Arthur "The Desert Fox" Kent went to the sandbox for CNN.)

It is easy to point fingers, to try to shift blame for what is, at the core, a lack of adaptability.  Viewed from a distance, that mainstream media, burdened by its wholesale dependence on personality, would be threatened by anonymous speech is totally unsurprising.  How old exactly is the phrase "media personality" after all?  How alien must it be to veterans of the business that media without the personality might appeal?  How difficult it must be to fight in a ring with someone who doesn't play by the rules, and when there is no ammunition for the only weapons available, the personal attack and the dirt-digger?  If the primary complaint is that we have yet to provide a photocopy of our driver's licenses, that is concerning.  With this in mind, Ladies and Gentlemen of the media, we would like to make a few points:

1.  Anonymous speech is not a crime.

You may or may not be aware that there is a long tradition of anonymous speech in the United States.  It did not begin here.  Not by a long shot.  In 509 BC Publius Valerius Publicola and colleagues transformed, with the help of extensive pamphleteering, the monarchy that ruled Rome into a republic by deposing and banishing Lucius Tarquinius Superbus.  (What a great anchor name that would make!)  The result was twofold.  First, the invention of the Roman title of "Consul."  Second, the beginning of the Roman Republic.  You may recognize "Publius Valerius Publicola," as the pen name later taken by Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison in the form of "Publius," the pen name over which they wrote the Federalist Papers.  We shouldn't have to point out the import of these events.  If they escape you, may we recommend the World Book’s new age form, Wikipedia.  (Britannica is, as one might expect, as dead as parchment.)  All this is a long way of pointing out exactly what you are indicting when you belittle pseudonymity.  (As an aside, in sophisticated discourse, it pays to know the difference between anonymity and pseudonymity.)

Confusing identity with reputation is a common error made by the enemies of anonymity.  Do we respect the anchor of a well-known financial news channel (roll with us for a minute here) because of his Italian last name?  Or do we respect him because of his reputation for hard-hitting financial journalism?  Surely some embarrassing moments about his past might cause some snickering.  But this is identity, not reputation- certainly not professional reputation.  Is it relevant to the content of the news that another anchor on said channel got a wee-bit amorous in a taxi with a woman (or two) not his wife?  (Or a woman someone else's wife?)  Only insofar as that anchor makes his career about identity, that is personality, instead of reputation.  If he does that, he is fair game for all the snark and gossip he whorishly solicits.

Since we write under pseudonyms we have but one currency: the quality of our content, and the reputation built since we started writing it.  Readers will decide for themselves whether our content is informative and worthy of their time.  There is no cloak of personality in which we may hide.  Our professional "brands" are just as vulnerable as any reporter on any network.  Unless you are a Luddite of some kind we are easy to contact.  Contrast this with our experience with you. We have discovered, as it happens, that you never return our e-mails.  It is apparently beneath you.  Furthermore, owing to our lack of a highly leveraged, publicly held parent, we lack the traditional gatekeepers many personalities use to screen potential "bearers of bad newscorrection." Are there some bloggers out there who seek no more than to rake muck?  Of course, but the same can be said for any circle of journalists you may care to name.  Our writing is all we have (personality does not interest us) and so we strive to keep it accurate, informative, and interesting- just as any journalist would.  Does that mean we consider ourselves journalists?  What's in a name? Many of us are closer to op-ed writers.  Many of us are purely editors.  Some of us even fancy ourselves philosophers.  But, may i remind you, editorials are generally written by a “board” even more anonymous than ourselves- subject to no army of instant-gratification grammar Nazis, and rarely lowering themselves to so much as issue a correction.  Think anonymous writers are all scum?  Read the Economist some time.

As to the personal habits of various mainstream reporters, we are totally uninterested in these details.  They are only relevant where they expose the hypocritical tenor of someone who chides anonymous authors to reveal themselves and then hides behind a "no comment" when confronted with his or her own personality defects.

Attacking anonymity is the nexus of this misdirection error and an over-reliance on the media value of personality over content.  This must end.  We've said so long before mainstream media attacked us, not least in our manifesto.  Content is what is important here, and none of you seem to understand that.  You fall back to personality because it is your last and only hope.  We don't care to play along, thank you.  Why?

2.  Your unveiling motives are less than pure.

Demanding the unveiling of anonymous authors is often a pretense for opening the door to personal attacks.  We recognize that conflict makes for good prime time television.  We understand that producers seek to capitalize on this and that, for reasons obvious even to a first year psychology student, juicy personal attacks draw ratings.  Zero Hedge enjoyed a bit of personal experience in this vein when exposed to the high-pressure "are we doing this or what" come-on of a certain financial network producer.  We declined, prompting "the talent"'s attempt to savage us on-air (and our largest spike of web traffic theretofore).  Interesting as it will be in 20 years for sociologists to study, this is not journalism.

Ladies and Gentlemen, one-line zingers and contrived time limits designed to impale your hapless guests do not constitute "constructive conflict" worthy of the your interest in the Fourth Estate, which, incidentally, you do not own, but rather hold in trust on behalf of the citizenry.  Want to see real, purposeful conflict on television?  Try pulling some 5 or 10 year old archive tapes on the McLaughlin Group, or 1980s vintage runs of the British quiz show "Mastermind."  The latter was invented by Bill Wright, a former gunner in the Royal Air Force who based the premise of the show on his experience resisting interrogation by the Gestapo.  Do we need to point out that you are out of your league?  That was conflict television.  Mastermind itself is even purely entertainment (the British love to watch their fellows squirm).  Your efforts pale in comparison and, as it happens, your urge to entertain is entirely misplaced when mixed with "financial journalism."  We suggest you reflect seriously on this before you put the deci-split-screen up for the [n]th time.  Actually, we take it back.  Nothing better characterizes everything that is wrong with your approach than the deci-split-screen.  As you were.

In case it was not already clear, let us just be plain: we are not interested in your ad hominem drama.  We are not so in love with fame that we are prepared to subject ourselves to that kind of artifice in exchange for it.  We understand this worldview puzzles and frightens you, and that we must seem an opponent no easier to grasp than quantum mechanics (well we have a former physicist among us, so maybe that's a bad example).  Look back at real drama and notice that it never needed to be invented in the newsrooms of 1972.  Demanding our unveiling is an excuse.  An excuse wielded by those who have no content of value to offer.  Just to be clear: this means you.

3.  The era of personality-centric media needs to end- quickly, and (hopefully) painfully.

The fact that you thrive on the momentum of personality-centric reporting does not mean that we do, or that it is the right kind of reporting.  Your shrill cries of "coward" in the face of anonymous or pseudonymous authors somehow implies that narcissism is equivalent to bravery.  This is, in your case, self-serving.  And, frankly, we beg to differ with respect to your basic premise.

On the contrary, we think narcissism is cowardice.  Personality-centric reporting is the last resort of those who have no valuable content to offer on fading networks with waning delivery channels.  Edutainment is a mutation designed (poorly) to forestall total decline.  None of you seem to understand that the issue is content, not comment.

There was a time when the pinnacle of global discourse came from the newsroom at CBS.  When no self-respecting citizen who considered themselves informed would go long without the evening news.  What do we have now?  Can we not all recognize what a severe devolution this is?

When we have Dan Rather's 77 year old face on HDTV, and this program is called "Dan Rather Reports," (the focus on the personality of the host is almost daunting) can we not agree that something is wrong?  It is not that Dan Rather's majestic countenance is not comely (well, not only that) but that any countenance at all is a major portion of the visual offering.  People, HDTV is for football, not news.  If you have any doubt that this is so, consider how many HDTV reports of any weight emerged from Iran this month, or last.  Zero.  None.  Of course.  This was easily the most important foreign policy story of the year.  Where did the scoops come from?  Twitter and YouTube.  We don't claim Twitter and YouTube are the next revolution.  We think Twitter and YouTube are sort of lame.  It's just that they are somewhat less lame than your medium.  Stepping back for a moment, that is really quite sad.

Video killed the newsroom.  Stop trying to jump-start the corpse.

4.  You can't fight a dead model.  (They don't respond to the sleeper hold at all, and getting caught with one while trying is bad news.)

It is not our fault or our problem that your business model is dead.  We didn't kill it.  You did.  You killed it when you did a 16 minute expose on the business of porn.  You killed it when you stacked the anchor desk with stacked anchors.  You killed it when you started writing books for six-figure advances, and schmoozing for access to fill those books with juicy tidbits about (and dialogue from) senior executives on Wall Street.  You killed it when you hired an audio producer to dub in dramatic music in times of financial crisis.  You killed it when you started paying someone six-figures to create eye-catching graphics.  Every dollar you spent on this nonsense was a dollar you took away from the newsroom.  Is it any wonder that reporters at the Wall Street Journal are paid shameful trifles while "the talent" (for the unwashed, we mean the TV anchors) rival investment banking paychecks?

5.  Take it from us.  It's time to punt.

When you've gotten to the point where you are attacking online media in order to boost viewing of embedded video clips of your content, inventing fights with new media to boost ratings, when you are boosting online ad revenue this way, might not it be the time to just cut out the expensive cost center middlemen (we are looking at you- in the eye- stacked anchors) and move to online distribution entirely?  We've been watching quite carefully and we haven't seen a story above the 5th grade level out of you in over a year.  (Except, perhaps for the piece on porn, that was at 7th grade level for sure.)  Instead it seems clear that you have been reduced to calling us "morons" and "dickweeds."  (We can say "fuckhead" in our medium, how about you?)  We are sorry to tell you that the last decent movie John Hughes wrote was Uncle Buck.  (Some people cite Home Alone, which came out a year later, but we think this nonsense.)  That is to say, personal attacks, one-liners, snarky comedy and "zingers" were funnier in 1989.  It is now 2009, and no one is going to play "Don't You Forget About Me" while you walk away through the parking lot after work.  (That is unless your producer hangs speakers out the window.)  If you want to drop a zinger here and there, better make sure it is bracketed on both sides with some real content.  Stick to parody and satire.  Name calling only works for a while.

6.  Get out of the cycle of co-personality-dependence.

When your biggest ratings and embedded hit counts come from fights between the various gargantuan egos on your anchor desk it should tell you two things.  First, that your have become addicted to on-air sideshows.  Second, that you have hauled your audience down with you into the blackness of personality-dependence addiction.  They are so starved for something real that they cannot comprehend that there might be something better than watching someone scream and push buttons to produce canned sound effects, or call a fellow anchor an intellectual lightweight.  Of course, when you run out of material for staged, behind-the-scenes drama, we are the next easiest target.  We are shocked.  May we recommend something novel?  Investigate something other than your co-anchor.  How about fraud?  Groundbreaking, we know.

All our criticism aside for a moment, we recognize that in many ways it is not your fault.  A drowning institution grasps at anything that floats.  If we are discouraged by anything it is your inability to just swim on your own.  Perhaps it has been so long that you've forgotten how.  That's easy to fix.  Kick your legs.  Breathe.  Do a lap.  Trust us.  They get easier.  Meanwhile, we'll keep researching and writing.  See you for couple's swim!

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by Project Mayhem
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:14
#14038

"you can’t hurt something that doesn’t bleed"

lol  --^

 

by ptoemmes
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:01
#14114

Posting this now (below) - well posting that it exists even now seems so trivial.  Do nto want to take away from what is VERY NICE COMMENTARY ZH!

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/32124959

 

"

t is intelligent mockery for the most part, although there's a kind of mean and inexplicable shot at Sarah Jessica Parker. Some of the headlines .... Fed Accounting Tricks: How to Hide Trillions in Losses ... and Byron the Buzzard ... what a hoot!

"

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:46
#14391

Wait a second. Click on that picture and it's hosted on the zero hedge site. So, change the picture that the link refers to, and you have a nice little trick you can play on CNBC. I'd be pretty tempted to change the pic to tubgirl and see how they respond.

by c jackson
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:08
#14126

by silencedogood
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:15
#14040

Excellent analysis.

-Silence

by crzyhun
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:16
#14041

Rightous bro, rightous.

It is appalling how low the cable channels have gone, save for a few programs.

WE are at bread and circus.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:50
#14397

The distinction in all these matters boils down to one thing. Is the message spoken by an employee of a major corporation or representative of their interests.

This is what defines the entire political economy and there is no separating the economy from the government and politics. Of course Libertarians think otherwise and thus miss the most crucial reality of all. Who gets the money is always about power. The free market is an illusion.

Corporations are the dominant human organizational model now but their power is so ill defined in many ways it's difficult to get a grasp on it. When Cramer creams the latest 200 point move on TV he isn't acting as a citizen. Citzens are totally irrelevant. Except for athletes artists and celebrities virtually the only route to wealth and power is via corporations. Those who are successful have fully inculcated the cultural norms contained in a corporate model of the world. The individual citizen means nothing except on election day, while we still have them.

The announcement of the death of the MSM is premature. For most newspapers perhaps so but there will always be Kudlows, who by the way defines himself so closely with a certain flavor of political power that the words boot licker or Quisling barley covers it.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:18
#14044

Maxine Waters is one piece of work - Mr. Secretary with respect to the PPIP I want to thank-you for including minority firms with the majority firms but a lot of those minority firms are working on a fee basis whereas the majority firms are getting a percentage - I want to see the minority firms get a percentage like the majority firms are getting

by erich
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:34
#14174

Yes, her honesty is refreshing!

by Will Profit
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:18
#14046

They wont get it. To long. They do not have an attention span longer than a thirty second sound bite.

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:25
#14060

Exactly. There's a reason certain species are extinct: They never saw it coming.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:19
#14049

Anyone know what short squeezed firms were puking into this equity rally? I believe I do. . .

-Stamford-East Setauket-Chicago

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:22
#14054

Amen. CNBC, Fox and CNN anchors and producers can get bent. They're a disgrace to journalism. Do us all a favor, go on a 2 week vacation and then don't come back.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:32
#14169

cbs and msnbc included. msnbc being the worst by far.

by Comrade de Chaos
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:39
#14055

BRAVO!

(your essay is good & I mean it;  )

by Danz Gambit
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:25
#14057

With a response like that, either CNBC rubbed you the wrong way .. or this is a fight you've been itching to have.

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:28
#14063

I'm betting on the latter, though I'm not sure "fight" is the correct term. This 'fight' reminds me of my buddy who once amazed onlookers by making two fierce barking dogs back down merely by showing them his opposable human thumbs.

by aldousd
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:25
#14258

I would contend that the poster(s) are just terribly eloquent and clear spoken.

 

"We are not so in love with fame that we are prepared to subject ourselves to that kind of artifice in exchange for it." -- that line says so much in so little space i almost cried reading it.

by Whatta
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:25
#14058

That was well written, and definitely...DEFINITELY...over their heads.

 

Dumb it down to a few bullets and maybe it'll work, but otherwise, excellent work.

 

Their answerr, I am sure is ...*crickets*...

by spanish inquisition
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:30
#14059

good job.

Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency....

by lizzy36
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:27
#14062

1-2,

Lovely piece. Hope to see more.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:29
#14064

They, msm, will never read the full article. I found it to be quite good, use spell check though.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:30
#14066

nail on the head. MSM has lost the plot and you(TD et co.) are paving the way to the future. thank you and keep up the great work.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:36
#14072

The actual business model is delivering eyeballs to advertisers, thus, it's effectively an entertainment business. Those who (e.g. Nate Silver at 538) attempt to deliver reality have to be outside the mainstream. Nate, of course, is so good that he's able to make a business out of selling the content (sort of), as is ZH (though the forecasts seem to be wrong wrong wrong, but I'm still short...) maybe.

There is no end of demand for entertainment, thus you are tilting at windmills. The broad audience *loves* personality based "journalism", or at least enough do so that ratings are good.

But, it still sucks.

by Gwaihir
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:44
#14088

The forecasts on this site are for entertainment purposes, only. The ads on the sidebars offer better value.

 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:36
#14074

Does anyone commenting on this blog ever have anything to say longer than a sentence or two?

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:39
#14081

Is fuck you too long?

by Marla Singer
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:45
#14092

Be nice.

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:17
#14141

Sorry Marla, I can't let this one go: My  Pedant-O-Meter(TM) is ringing at Anonymous' misuse of 'to' instead of 'too' in "too long?".   There, I said it, and now the Meter stopped beeping.

by Marla Singer
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:39
#14179

There.  Fixed that for ya.

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:12
#14337

You can edit our posts? God's Potatoes that's HOT.

by Gick
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:36
#14075

You're giving them too many words.  Who cares what they do.  Keep doing what you do.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:39
#14079

1-2....out fucking standing!

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:40
#14082

msm tells nothing but lies and spin, don't watch.

by Hondo
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:41
#14085

Love it

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:43
#14086

Can anyone explain to me why ECRI keeps predicting economic recovery, and Zerohedge keeps predicting economic disaster?

NEW YORK, July 24 (Reuters) - A gauge of future U.S.
economic growth edged higher in the latest week, while its
measure of annual growth continued to stride at five-year
highs, feeding hopes that a smooth recovery is due this year, a
research group said on Friday. The Economic Cycle Research Institute, a New York-based
independent forecasting group, said its Weekly Leading Index
rose to 118.4 in the week to July 17 from 118.1 the previous
week. The index's annualized growth rate jumped to a fresh
five-year high of 7.7 percent from 7.0 percent one week ago. It was the index's highest yearly growth rate reading since
the week ended May 7, 2004, when it stood at 7.8 percent. "With WLI growth climbing to a new five-year high, it is
reaffirming that the end of recession is at hand and that the
U.S. economy is poised for recovery in short order," said
Lakshman Achuthan, managing director at ECRI. The weekly index rose due to higher stock and commodity
prices, said Achuthan.

by Project Mayhem
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:04
#14108

Because ECRI are liars like the rest of these criminals.

 

Their job is to keep you invested until the plug gets pulled.  Which is probably not far off.  For example, about a quarter $trillion in USTbond droppings are for sale over the next week.

 

70 day CMBs, $30 billion (July 24th)
13 week Bills, $32 billion (July 27th)
26 week Bills, $31 billion (July 27th)
52 week Bills, $27 billion (July 28th)
2 year Notes, $42 billion (July 28th)
5 year Notes, $39 billion (July 29th)
7 year Notes, $28 billion (July 30th)
19 year, 6 month TIPS (reopened), $6 billion (July 27th)

 

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:18
#14143

Stop it, you're making me swoon.  This situation is so sweet, I think I'm getting chubby.

by Project Mayhem
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:27
#14159

There's nothing like Japanese intelligence agents ferrying around American bearer bonds around in the middle of the night!  Hell, I bet they work for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.  

by chindit13
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:03
#14120

"The weekly index rose due to higher stock and commodity prices."

So this is recovery?  Could it be this is where liquidity goes when there is nothing better to do with it?  Their index must have been predicting gangbusters back in September 2007.  That turned out well.

At some point, an economist will theorize that rising stock prices quite often merely reflect hope, or habit, or benchmarking and they are not some magic oracle "predicting" recovery.  Yes, wealth effects do exist, and it is possible that prices rise before fundamentals confirm, but in bear market rallies such as this one, I am drawn more toward a study of the US in 1930, or Japan in 1992, 1994 and 1996.

by DebtorShredder
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:06
#14123

Stop listening to other people and think for yourself!

For example, I predict "the sun will come up tomorrow".

Did I enlighten you? Didn't think so.....

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:50
#14194

Predictions that come to fruition mark the "predictor" as a genius. Predictions that don't come to fruition are forgotten. So who cares if predictions are wrong, they're just forgotten.

by Gabriel Gray
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:30
#14165

"The index rose do to higher stock and commodity prices"

If the higher prices were due to money created out of nothing, it may lead one to believe that the recovery they are forecasting may also be made out of nothing.

by bpj
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:44
#14087

I just watch Bloomberg on internet feed, 90% less commercials.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:44
#14089

Good read. Personally, I'd lose the first paragraph and just dive in. But well said all in all...

by capitalisa
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:45
#14090

THE best work I've seen!  Great, just flippin' great!!  You really outdid yourselves!!

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:46
#14094

I just wanted to thank you for your excellent site. I quit watching CNBC a few weeks ago after years of loyal viewership (and a lack of options). Don't care much for Bloomberg either. I visit this site 20 to 30 times a day rather than watching TV. It is time for the truth to be heard.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:47
#14095

This comment is for all of those talking heads at CNBC... It gives me great pleasure to know I won't see what you're shrieking about on TV today, but there's a real possibility you personally are reading this post. Know that I agree fully with TD. Your days are numbered and you are irrelevant; not even a footnote in the footnotes of history.

by Gabriel Gray
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:49
#14096

A sign of the times. Jon Stewart, America's most trusted newsman

 

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/23/poll-jon-stewart-is-americas-most-trusted-newsman/?icid=webmail|wbml-aim|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicsdaily.com%2F2009%2F07%2F23%2Fpoll-jon-stewart-is-americas-most-trusted-newsman%2F

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:54
#14100

bravo. tho I think that your overlong defense of anonymous criticism makes the point carry more weight than it should, giving your detractors a window they will surely exploit to make more noise ad nauseum in order to avoid having a substantive discussion on your more salient points; or even, gasp!, change their paradigm.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:54
#14101

Amen sister - our own online digital version of NETWORK - let the revolution begin

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:56
#14105

Exceptional piece of work. I particularly like the reference to stacked actors. This made me think of one of the greaterst songwirters of my generation, Dave Grohl and the song Stacked Actors on the Foo Fighters 3rd album. Here is a comment form Dave on the song:

"Stacked Actors' is a response to living in Hollywood for about a year and a half, and my disdain and disgust of everything plastic and phony, which is the foundation of that city. And I just hated it. I had a lot of fun, but I had a lot of fun hating it."

Sounds like CNBC to me. And the lyrics? Well here they are and you cannot help but picture almost everyone on CNBC as you read them:

Oh mirror mirror
Youre coming in clear
Im finally somewhere in between
Im impressed
What a beautiful chest
I never meant to make a big scene

Will you resign to the latest design
You look so messy when you dress up in dreams
One more for hire
Or wonderful liar?
I think its time we all should come clean

Chorus
Stack dead actors
Stacked to the rafters
Line up the bastards
All I want is the truth

Hey hey now, can you fake it?
Can you make it look like we want?
Hey hey now, can you take it?
And we cry when they all die blonde?

Verse 2
God bless, what a sensitive mess
Yeah but things arent always what they seem
Youre teary wise
Your famous disguise
Never knowing who to believe

See through
Yeah, but what do you do?
When youre just another aging drag queen?

Enjoy your Friday with this cpli of Foo in the UK doing this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk44WlYkF00

Miton Friedman's Ghost

by Straykitty
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:57
#14107

We cancelled the cable in 2004 and haven't watched television since.  I miss a few things.  I don't catch some of the sexual jokes about the sitcoms, but, hey...nothing's perfect.  I like this site because Tyler's smarter than I am, and that's the only kind of person worth my time anymore.

by Bruce Krasting
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:58
#14109

I have been sending my musings to the press for a decade. I have contacts at all the pro press. Save one. In ten years CNBC has never never responded to a thing I have sent.

 

These folks live in an ivory tower.

by Anal_yst
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:23
#14155

Their tower is not made out of anything so valuable or coveted as Ivory...

by Cheeky Bastard
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 05:55
#15023

its not an ivory tower, but greenSHIT tower built on the foundations of sand ..

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:58
#14110

Self serving crap. The financial news shows have play between the lines of entertainment and news. News shows have been doing this or over 30 years. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using indentifiability to enhance credibility. (How are we to know if someone usurps your website and starts publishing under your name?)

There is a big difference between publishing anonymously, as the economist does, and hiding, as you do. At least we know the conflicts the exist for CNBC. We don't even know your conflicts. This makes your work at least as suspect as theirs.

You point out that all of your content is supported by links, graphs and statistics. This is only marginally helpful as any thoughtful reader should know, one can tell any story one wants to by selecting the right "facts."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you need to come out of the closet, only that your position is no better than that of personality news. They both have their pitfalls.

Signed anonymously.

by Marla Singer
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:03
#14121

We are long it all.  We are short it all.  Act accordingly.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:19
#14145

Is this the kind of full disclosure you would want from all financial media? Perhaps it would be more honest. With skepticism, I prefer the old way. Motley Fool does a decent job.

by Marla Singer
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:30
#14166

We've written extensively on disclosure in our conflicts / full-disclosure disclosure.  If you can't understand our position after reading that (and this) then it is time for us to spend the rest of our day on more productive pursuits.

by deadhead
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 20:05
#14729

how about "forcing" so to speak a click on of the (excellently written) conflict/full disc. policy when someone registers?  just a thought

by Project Mayhem
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:10
#14132

I am long gold, silver, and cash (USD).   Not the ETFs imo.

by BoeingSpaceliner797
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:41
#14183

hard assets.  wish i had more of 'em.

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:18
#14348

Your best asset is your brain. I have hard assets, been accumulating for over a decade, but you know what? Chances are that I find myself sitting on a toilet somewhere in Jerkwater, USA the weekend things go bad, and even if I make it home through through the Fatherland Sekurity checkpoints, I'll find the home well ransacked.  The prime asset you have for the future is a nimble brain, with some good luck as a bonus.

by BoeingSpaceliner797
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:57
#14403

by nimble, i assume you mean inquisitive, ability to rapidly apply past experience to present situation and, perhaps most importantly, unmuddled (by anybody or anything).

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:49
#14193

Gasparino, that you?

I don't think you understand the difference between witty 'entertainment' and gratuitous trash. This web site offers plenty of the former and none of the latter vis-a-vis cnbc.

Also, sourcing a plethora of facts from reliable sources in support of an argument is far more salient than staking your arguments on a 'reputation' consisting primarily of sound effects, buxom anchors and inflammatory headlines combined with a stark lack of substance.

by agrotera
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:10
#14232

Is that you poor little Charlie?

 

oops, #14193 anony, didn't read ahead before i replied...but i guess we are both calling our to poor little Charlie.

Wake up Charlie, you are just not understanding, or else, you really are a shill.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:17
#14345

Charlie, you can go ahead and sign your name. You weren't fooling anyone.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:59
#14113

I think Caruso throws jabs intentionally so she can later read all the comments about her awesome rack. Her captcha question would be: 1 big boob + 1 big boob = ?

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:01
#14116

Bravo!

Who's going to send a copy to Charlie and the Boob Lady?

by 1-2
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:02
#14117

Since I made such a point about being available, please see my email in my signature.

 

It's good to be back.

 

1-2 (onetwoknockout + gmail)

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:02
#14118

The stock market looks like a couple of boobs and so does CNBC.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:10
#14133

What do you have against boobs? lol

by old felix
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 12:31
#15093

"Do ya like boobs alot?

Ya gotta like boobs alot."

     Fugs,"First Album",1965

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPVgKoruWdA

but don't let them distract you.

 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:09
#14129

Is 1-2 a new ZH contributor, or a guest poster? Is 1-2 a character in FC?

by 1-2
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:16
#14139

Contributor--I've just been laying low.

 

1-2 is not a FC name--it's FC related though.

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 18:59
#14674

Well if laying low means that you surface occasionally with posts like this one, then by Jupiter's Biscuit you should lay low!

by jongreen
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:10
#14131

Big up

by economessed
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:11
#14134

It is exceptionally pleasing to me to see such eloquent writing and expressive use of the language.  1-2, you took this whole community up another notch with that excellent piece.  You said things I've thought about, but never had consolidated into a fully-articulated perspective.

One of the morals I drew from your work supports my philosophy that mature business models, organizations, and strategies collapse under the weight that they have worked so hard to prop-up over their heads.

Making a 24 hour broadcasting channel around the concept of financial news, weather, music videos, etc. leads to a "scorched earth" mode of saturation, where the only way to produce marginal growth is to stray further from the core purpose of your existence.

CNBC fell victim to the same thing that changed MTV.  How much longer will we need to wait before CNBC features an off-hours reality show?  Oh wait, they already started dabbling in that with their investor contest....

Anyway, I digress.  Excellent job, I am truly impressed with your work.

by Gabriel Gray
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:38
#14178

I got one. "Madoff in da House"

by agrotera
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:16
#14243

CNBC is GroupthinkTV, and our government is a groupthinkthinktank...we are living in a grouthinkcountry...FC theme embodied here at ZH could wake people up and get them to step out for their integrity's sake, and for the sake of our country.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:12
#14135

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

by Veteran
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:15
#14138

As you so eloquently put it, MSM hasn't had an Ernie Pyle type reporter for years.  CNBC and the rest are a medium to sell ads, just like sports and every other program on the idiot box.  Stick it to 'em, sons of bitch are dead, they just won't admit it

 

So we going back to ZeroHedge now or still sticking wif ZeroIntelligence? 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:16
#14140

marla = equity private?

by D.O.D.
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:19
#14144

Fantastic Op-Ed. Unfortunately I belive anyone who truly understands what you are saying has already understood this for quite sometime now.  Those who don't understand it will no doubt try to reduce it to a piece written by a pasty zit-faced computer nerd in his(/her?) mom's basement.

 

Has anyone else noticed how stupid people always label intelligence as a nerd/dork/geek?

 

Thanks ZH, let operation online mayhem begin, the revolution won't be televised, it will be blogged...

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:20
#14147

Fucking amazing.

Only point of contention: stacked anchors. Take away the eyepopping graphics, the melodramatic music, but don't take away my stacked anchors!

That is, as long as the "news" is really news.

by Gabriel Gray
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:22
#14149

Excellent piece, well done 1-2 and Marla.

by tewkatz
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:22
#14152

*applause*

by curbyourrisk
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:25
#14156

Hey Tyler and freinds....Thanks for everything you guys REPORT on.  Hmmm..I have never said that to anyone at CNBS before.  I wonder why?

OK...now a note to the financial mainstream media.  PAY ATTENTION "dickweeds", Tyler Durden, although annonymous, is more than 1 person.  WE ARE ALL TYLER DURDEN here.  We participate in the reporting and question what is reported.  We can not do that on your medium, as what you say is YOUR LAST WORD.  When Tyler (or our other friends) report something, we can question where they got their information from, what they think it means, how it affects trading,.....and so on.  And you know what???  THEY ANSWER US.  WHY?  because we are all TYLER DURDEN.  Their reputation depends on getting the story right.  You think offending 1 name is funny.  You think challenging 1 blog site is funny.  It is not...WE ALL FIND it offensive, and NONE of us think it is funny. 

The blogs and their "bloggers" have presented more facts and competent reporting in the last 6 weeks, than you have in the last 6 years.  The Bloggers, are not reporting based on what their parent corporations demand them too, nor do they have anyone to answer to.  The only person they answer to is US....and like I said...that is because we ask them questions .... they have made their platform INTERACTIVE.  We are part of those very blogs that you chose to mock.  Lets take the recent buzz story.  High frequency trading.  OK...how long have the blogs been reporting on this????  And how much time have you at CNBS spent on such items?  Damn...even the old grey lady (the NYT) collapsed and covered as NEWS, something the blogs have been a buzz about for 2 weeks. 

 

Why are the blogs effective?  Easy....they are or were the peole on the front lines.  Mr. Gas-bag has said they are most likely people with an axe to grind holed up in their parents basement.  Well, let me ask you a question.....who is more dangerous...some "journalist (used very lightly) reporting on a story, or some ex-grunt man who has been there, done that and DOES have an axe to grind?  Someone like that is not afraid to ask the HARD questions, because he/she is not afraid of NOT HAVING THE GUEST come back.  He/she does not care if he hurts someone's feelings on air...just cares about getting to the REAL story.... 

So until...you "so called" journalists...start asking the hard questions, start demanding REAL answers, start using REAL data and not just the fluff provided to you, and start respecting the REPORTING done by those in the blogosphere....you will reamin nothing but eye candy on the BOOB tube.  AND until then, I will continue to get my news from those bloggers and my entertainment....from your NEWS program.

 

-Curb

by Veteran
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:33
#14170

well said curb

by 1-2
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:34
#14173

Curb,

I like you.

1-2

by Dantzler
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:11
#14237

Nice.

Disenchantment with the MSM is what brought me here few months ago. I've learned quite a bit along the way...

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 16:44
#14549

Well said.

by deadhead
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 20:13
#14738

great thoughts curb and kudos to 1-2 for a dynamite piece.

the msm suggestions about bloggers being in mom's basement, etc are getting stale.  as an anecdotal demographic, I'm mid 50s, been in financial services sector for 30 yrs, 4 yr college educated, upper middle class, virtually no debt, older children, did a ton of community service work throughout my career.

I would think CNBC would want my demo for their advertisers....alas, too late, they have lost me.

 

 

by chindit13
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:33
#14171

The dinosaurs are munching on greens while the asteroid has just entered the Earth's atmosphere.  Perhaps at some future date, the world will make petroleum products out of extinct network anchors.  At least then their existence will have had some greater meaning.

I used this line yesterday, but I'll repeat it (as I lack sufficient creativity to produce on a regular basis):  CNBC is the Jerry Springer of financial news, all cacophany and inane dribble, aimed at those born during God's coffee break.  And on top of that, CNBC's 'talent' is intellectually lazy, content to pander to the woefully uninformed.

Note that a majority of what TD et al post here is from open sources, whether that is the Fed's balance sheet, FDIC website, 10-Q's and 8-K's, Bloomberg screen captures, exchange or brokerage reports, etc.  While the selection process may well indicate a bias, it is not as if the material is made up or of questionable veracity.  It's out there, available to anyone with time, knowledge and drive, which I suppose rules out 90% of CNBC staff, who must spend their time on voice lessons so they can scream louder than a CBOT pit trader during a fast market.  TD et al supplement the material they post with insights gained from their own experience, again more to inform than to opine.  The combination produces a website that is not only good, but which has garnered such attention among the professional financial community that it threatens the existence of the fat and lazy MSM. When a network is reduced to selling ad time to Zanthir and his pan flute 3-CD collection, the end must surely be nigh.

I am a finance industry professional (trader), now retired.  I learned precious little over the years from CNBC, though I always appreciated the knowledge and insights from Santelli and Faber, and occasionally even Gasparino (who, if he was both let loose and directed his talents appropriately, could be a true star.)  From this site, on the other hand, I have learned an enormous amount in a short period of time, and have been entertained while reading in.

You can let ZH get under your craw, while continuing your rapid descent to irrelevance, or you can let TD light a fire under your butts and do the job the Fourth Estate was meant to do.  Sadly, I know the choice you will make.  That asteroid is getting closer every second.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:34
#14172

This was intense, long and hard-hitting. Damn... need to re-heat the Chinese food that's been on my plate for all that time

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:36
#14176

CSPAN just now
Rep Michele Bachmann to Bernanke, Bair et. al:

"will Starbucks become too big to fail?" -

silence

by curbyourrisk
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:41
#14182

1-2  I like you too.

 

We are all Tylder Durden's, together....we can topple the MSM and get the real story out there.

 

Keep up the good work!

by TraderVix
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:42
#14184

Referencing Publius Valerius Publicola, Uncle Buck, and the genesis for "Mastermind" in the same post - Glad to see you've joined the team, EP.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:44
#14186

i don't buy the old media/new media thing.
sure, old media is the dried crust overlaying society, but new media didn't stop the iraq war from happening, it isn't helping to bring the rapacious scoundrels on wall street to court.
the way people were going on about iranians tweeting to us. it sounded to me like people thought this form of communication can start a revolution.
even old media over-estimated what was going on there.

when something terrible happens, and, of course, i'm referring to the weather, we will turn to radio and tv, if it's on.

the internet is hodge podge. when it really matters, turn on the radio.

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 16:58
#14564

I get your point and I agree to an extent, but only to an extent.  The difference between old and new is obviously the ability of user content to shape the information product, just as 'curbyourrisk' mentions above. 

Look at the internet (specifically blogs and twitter) use in Iran lately.  Look at the trouble its giving China as it fumbles trying to intervene militarily.  Look at the effort Russia had to put into a perception management campaign last summer in Georgia--a campaign for hearts and minds in that part of the world that they clearly won and used to successfully discredit the US.  It's more than just that the internet is more efficient than the fax networks the Romanians used so well in 1989 that ended up with their criminals being killed on television, it's that with the modern mobile media, you can be in the street and see, report, and make news.  McLuhan said the medium IS the message.  Think about it: If you are there, reporting/contributing, you are adding to the equation. You could just be the one who adds that last bucket that breaks the dam. 

Sure, your point of turning to established media is well taken; The revolution may indeed be televised by the old media and twisted in ways to keep as many as possible viewers riveted to their couch, but I see the internet bloggery as one step closer away from the couch, out the living room door and into the action in the street. 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:49
#14192

The idea of business news network makes sense but it was never really brought to the TV market. Instead of daily indepth reporting, we get wall street honchos pitching their book and companies on a daily basis, while talking shit and being held to no accountability with researched counter points.

Personalities who gossip and sit around a desk each morning drinking coffee and sounding like the woman on The View breathlessly talking about Brad Pitt and his latest topless photo! GE has created a business entertainment network much like E! GE won't spend the money for a real business news network. So we get Cramer and his big red buttons with cartoon sound affects!!!

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:50
#14195

Please take a moment to tell this administration what you think about the Goldman fraud, and demand an investigation.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/

by DebtorShredder
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:24
#14318

Could this be a govt. "HONEYPOT"?

 

**authentic ZH users**

be careful what you click on or respond to!

by Moe Speeks
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:51
#14197

The Financial Media Sucks and I do my part to help expose them.

As you can see for yourself if you choose.

New Charlie Gasparino video to view.

http://moespeeks.blogspot.com/

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:52
#14198

GREAT JOB Tyler!
Keep up the phenomenal work that you are doing. Charlie Gasparino?? You will be working for Tyler someday. Hint...you are already much closer to him than you realize.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:52
#14199

I can only assume that ZH will avoid the temptation of posting CNBC video clips henceforth - painful to begin I am sure, as in when they have a good guest - but the medium must be the message as in Stop driving your readers to the CNBC site - of course should there be a wardrobe malfunction or similar event - making an exception would be acceptable - As for Fox and Bloomberg - Fox is actually okay as at least they don't presume to be anything other than what they are - Bloomberg is a poor person's version of both e.g. the talent there gets likely gets min wage (which means they got a raise today) -

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:54
#14204

I saw Charlie's blathering comments the other day, and I just have to say- What a complete idiot! (And I thought he was one of the good ones at one point).
How can anyone working for GE-controlled CNBC look into the camera with a straight face everyday, knowing they are wilfully ignoring some of the biggest corporate crimes of the day, going on right beneath all of our noses. "Smiles, Smiles, everyone!

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:55
#14208

Do you really expect that a financial network own by GE that we are going to
get unbiased reporting.

I equate CNBC to The Circus. A bunch of clowns masquerading as financial
reporters.

And especially the biggest clown of all Dennis Kneale who is using the bloggers to increase the rating of the show, since he has
no hopes af actually staying in that position for too long.

Every time 8 oclock comes around I make sure I change the channel.

I suggest Max Keiser or Karl Denninger or sites like this.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:01
#14216

This is my first post here and I have to say that I am totally blown away by this post. I think this post deserves to be placed in an archive somewhere for future generations to read.

You have captured the thinking of everyman.

Bravo ZH.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:07
#14231

and what is your thinking that is not of that type?

by Milton
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:04
#14221

CNBC just announced thy've signed Ron Burgundy. This is unbelievable. How did they do that? WOW !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ7dUlRUJIM

 

by ShankyS
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:06
#14227

Don't mess with Afternoon Delight - please do not go there. 

by ShankyS
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:05
#14225

Agreed- they only can handle 30 second bursts or they get lost and confused. You crammed a years worth of infomation into that brilliant post and I have a feeling you lost them after, "It can hardly have escaped your notice that a battle of epic proportions, simmering at the fringes for months, was this very week finally joined."

Marvelous Marla, you nailed it. They are dying and are responding by grasping at straws. Their content sucks and yours does not. I mentioned penis envy in several comments now relating to CNBS v. ZI, my diagnosis (although not a professional one - just common sense) is spot on. 

Maybe they are following the Vampire Squid model laid before them. Alas, that only worked for those culprits for a few years and thus will fail for CNBS as well. There is no blood in ZH. 

by trader1
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:08
#14234

the zero hedge team never fails to impress me.  kudos to you all!

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:17
#14247

flattery toward the anonymous? why bother?
flattery is worth something when you know each other (by title).
it's a price we have to pay (if there's something we don't want to lose).

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:14
#14241

You've jumped the shark. I come here for financial news I can't get anywhere else. Instead, it seems like I get more and more of this us vs. CNBC pissing match from both you and Denninger.

It's your site. You can do whatever you want but by responding to idiots like Kneale and Gasparino, you cheapen yourself and make yourself less relevant. That's exactly what they want.

So I hope you'll think about it and get back on mission. At the end of the day, who gives a flying fuck what CNBC says or does, besides you, I mean.

by nicholsong
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 17:51
#14619

Anonymous, in case you missed it or didn't actually read it, it's titled "An Open Letter To The Financial Media" of which surely CNBC is one large part but only one part.  You don't get it. Or you do and you're trolling.  If you have been watching ZH from the beginning, then you would know this Open Letter is "on mission".

 

by gammaman
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:14
#14242

Point made... let's move on.

I prefer substantive posts like "New York City's Pain", "The Dangers of High Frequency Trading... As Predicted by Lawrence H. Summers" and "Unemployment Rate by State: June Update".

On the other hand, postings such as "A Plea For Your Made In China Garbage" promoting Wallstreetpro, while amusing, stoops to CNBC's level if such postings become primary focus, IMHO.

Let's see a substantive piece on DTCC (as promised) and its subsidiary Cede & Co. Here is primer: http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/volltexte/2007/4885/pdf/ILF_WP_068.pdf

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:30
#14263

and substantive action, if it is required, of course.

"let's move on" us? that soon?

by Quackking
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:19
#14248

Marla, your godlike authority gains radiance at each dawn. But to acknowledge this is to fall into the trap of media personality worship, does it not? Such a conunundrum!

 

Seriously, one of the best points here is your (sadly) unique question, to whit:

>How old exactly is the phrase "media personality" after all?

I would argue that the human animal is genetically hard-wired to respond to fame (well, and of course, hotness) - but hotness and fame are so easily be manufactured in the digital era as to be prima facie suspect, particularly when fame (and hotness) are at the core of the message. CNBC is unfortunately no better and no worse than the rest of the old media, and I fear the new media is permeated with Perez Hiltonism, and is hence to be equally distrusted.

 

{ZI} ZH is in the rare air where the message itself is seen first; As your manifesto states, the choice of noms de plume represents your authorial overview, and I would bet that if circumstances change significantly, there will be no undue adhesion to them as brands - if, for instance, the culture ceases to echo correctly when 'Tyler' is referenced, but instead 'Cincinnatus' becomes a more pointed lead, well,.. (by contrast, of course, the dead brand loyalism of the ancient media is constantly on display, most recently yesterday at the Cronkheit revels.)

 

Anyways, your (that is, ZH's) attention to inner detail and donkey tail-pinioning is well-regarded out here. They suck, you guys don't.

 

And please do another DMCA Thursday! (that was me chatting you up early on last week., good set.)

Thx.

 

 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:30
#14264

epic *pass*

by agrotera
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:32
#14266

Awesome Marla and 1-2!   You must know how much your words and intentions are appreciated!  Thank you!

With all the problems that we currently face as a country, and with the way things are going, i wouldn't be surprised if Wikipediaisn't regularly being revised under subjects relating to state run governments, etc.  Did you read what deepcapture.com has to say about wikipedia--they basically said that they were blocked from adding their facts about naked short selling. ( The Stimulus bill probably had a few hundred million set aside for keeping wikipedia under state control... )

...so glad the grammar Nazi's aren't out in full force here!

by Alexander Supertramp
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:33
#14267

I believe John Winthrop and the great ones like him just rolled over in their graves in thankful appreciation for your great work in reigniting the spirit of our true America.  The shadows of mass consumerism and compensated psychopaths that we idly elevate into "leadership" for it are coming into light.  Now let's maintain momentum and create a viable third political party to ensure the better way.  As good an idea as any (and one that will at least keep us laughing in good spirits in any event):  www.lebowskiparty.com

 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:35
#14269

Clearly, Marla is jealous of somebody's rack.

by agrotera
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:39
#14278

that is so funny and delusional.  Everyone knows that anyone can buy a rack like that at their local 5 and 10cent plastic surgeon. 

by Ben_the_Bald
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:01
#14311

But it will cost you a lot more than 10 cents and is not covered by insurance.

by agrotera
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:12
#14338

It was just sarcasm over the idea that if someone is thinking that another person is jealous about their manmade balloons, it really is kind of cheap.  Nothing against anyone getting that done, just it is unlikely that someone would be jealous over someone cheaply flaunting the rack.  And nothing against flaunting the rack, but it is a joke to think anyone [with any class and regardless of the black and white (what one may see on a first glance) persona of marla the FC character, she sounds like she has alot of class] would be jealous.

by Ben_the_Bald
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:37
#14273

Regarding anonimity and related matters:

 

There are no secrets in Wall Street, especially with the advent of the Internet.

 

Here's an example of what I'm talking about coming from security folks:

 

On The Internet, There Are No Secrets

by Dr Hackenbush
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:41
#14280

You’re the Suckers!!  I’m all in.  Screw fundamentals, thirty-five percent run up in 10 days, who cares, I'm playing the "GRID LOCK TRADE" per CNGE's advise… See YOU at the BANK! 

Got to run.  Obama is speaking AGAIN – I never miss.  “Remember Race is NOT the issue” … got it. 

Pills please! 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:43
#14284

anonymity means, with multiple personalities, i don't have to pick one.

ok, anonymous will stop posting here now. what got me started was the self-righteous indignation of the letter.

anonymous out.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 13:47
#14293

Here Here !! Power to the people !!

by Bob
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:02
#14315

Nice shot across the bow!  Hell yeah. 

 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:07
#14326

Marla reminds me somehow of this 'reporter', kicking ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqTRevvEqew

by BoeingSpaceliner797
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:38
#14383

Just can't resist:

 

"Internet killed the video star,

Internet killed the video star."

 

Oh-oh

by Crook County
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:39
#14385

Great job gang, 5/5.  Made me think of Common Sense.  Instead of declaring independence from a foreign power, you have proclaimed your independence from the MSM and their perceived control of what news "is."

You guys are at the tip of the spear in the r3VOLution.  They are fighting you now not knowing you have already won the game.  Keep up the great work.

 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:42
#14386

Black Swan Radio with an I Ching quote (wilhelm/baynes translation)?

Killer.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 14:52
#14399

Anonymous speech is more than not being a crime, it is a fundamental right.

CNBC supporters can post here anonymously. Use your rights ! If you don't do, that's your problem.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 15:10
#14416

I doubt half of you pricks that don't like the "finacial news" don't even invest any of your own money. If you did, I'd highly doubt there'd be all this hate. Also, how can you say that Fox is worse than CNN? It's the same shit. Oh, wait. Ya'll are ignorant democrats, that's why. If you guys want change, parodies and trying to start "blog wars" isn't how you should go about it. Maybe you're just adding to the problems. Hello? Jackasses!

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 15:43
#14472

sorry for the rage. i just learned that guys have two testicles.

by BoeingSpaceliner797
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 16:31
#14541

anon 14416,

 

What is this "finacial news" of which you write?  Any relation to:

 

http://beauty.about.com/od/skinflaws/ht/basicfacial.htm

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 15:25
#14438

"This problem is intended to determine if you are a machine- or not sufficiently intelligent (or determined) to participate at Zero Hedge."

Wooooooo Hooooooooo! I made it. The only problem is that if I made it, then so did the rest of you. That's scary. I'm leaving as I will never join a group that would have me as a member.

by Happy Days
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 15:33
#14456

Excellent letter. We can hope that "they" take the time to read same.

Although I have my doubts as their minds are small. A waste of human flesh. I stopped

listening to the news and reading newspapers back around 1975. I

felt it was garbage then and it just continues to get more worthless.

All I ever wanted was facts...not their opinions. It's just a show. Useless

"breathers" in that camp, I feel. Waste of my time. I might add that

with regard to trading, my experience over the years has been to

"fade" whatever they have to say. Even back then, one learned that

"they" are not out to help you....but to fleece you. Are not the anchors

nothing more than "prostitutes" for the back office content. They get paid to lie...some may not

realize they are lying, but others do know. What kind of moral

character is that? Yes, they are dying. They did it to themselves. Good!!! This

country would probably be a better place without them. Have a great weekend everyone!!

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 15:46
#14475

word up

by poydras
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 18:07
#14631

The reality is that many of us are now receiving real insight from some key blogs / websites.  Sites such as CR and Naked Cap. kept me sane in 2007 when it was convincing that the jig was up.  The sad truth, MSM, is that many of us now FIRST look beyond your reporting in search of what is really occurring.  Most seem trained to listen to whoever Washington / Wall Street puts up despite a record suggesting incompetence and/or crime.  How long this lasts remains to be seen.

 

Perhaps this era will be referred to the age of BS where the pitch, the scripted persona, the club backing forms the basis for leadership.  We all are ultimately responsible for pissing away the benefits provided by those that preceded us.  With good fortune, we will recognize the errors in our way and go back to true substance and substance of character.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 18:18
#14646

Who has the dirt on this CNBC anchor and a taxi cab trist? What's the story, dying to know...

by DebtorShredder
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 18:28
#14656

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 18:35
#14662

Newspapers and TV are part of the entertainment industry - their product is the attention of their audience. The few genuine journalists - the likes of Fisk, Hersh, Taibbi and Morgenstern - are far better suited to new media and get more distribution in that space than they do in their publications of origin. (Taibbi's latest Goldman piece got viewed more times than were sold copies of Rolling Stone).

As for pseudonymity - I am somewhat conflicted. Obviously it is entirely necessary if you're doing something subversive (e.g., participating in assassination markets) but for my only-mildly-subversive blatherings I always append my real name, or a means by which it can be found.

I think it's best to partition into at least two separate entities - "Citizen X" who goes about his business and only occasionally tilts at TPTB, and "RadicalY" who contributes directly to trying to kill off the parasitic subspecies that lives by extortion from the polity. This latter activity requires pseudonymity since it is to be achieved by killing enough of their Sardaukar - the black-suited child-killers who will shoot their fellow man just because there's a silly law against drugs, for example - to provide a significant disincentive for the other Sardaukar to continue in their role.

Degrade the operational effectiveness of the state's armed drone-thugs, and the parasites who live in palaces will have no means of continuing their extortion. As Jim Bell suggested in "Assassination Politics" - a piece that attracted the lidded gaze of the parasite class, and Bell has been in prison since 1996 despite never having harmed anybody or stolen anything.

OK... the above is a sample of what you can write from your own IP under your own name: so long as your life is properly partitioned, there will be absolutely no provable link between CitizenX and RadicalY, and if the State sends its goons to look at your 'puter, they will leave thinking you were just blowing smoke (I hate that term since I'm a non-smoker). RadicalY runs off an encrypted USB key and everything he does is encrypted before it enters the internets tubes.

Cheerio

GT

(ZH/ZI ID still not processed, sadly)

by Marla Singer
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 18:59
#14675

Hi!

 

Thanks for registering.  Email me (marla @ zero hedge . com) and I will see what happened with your reg.  :)

by Anonymous
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 07:05
#15030

I wouldn't worry too much about writing your opinion on anything. You can't get in trouble for that. Announcing intent to do something bad might be asking for a visit, but hey, I hear they are friendly.

If you want to drive them crazy, just type stuff like "Flea bomb the white house at the end of the street."

(Hi guys!)

by coop
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 19:25
#14697

Wow!  Made me start reading another set of essays again  by anonymous authors.

The "Federalist Papers". 

Nah! What did they ever accomplish?

Look out. Somethings' happening in America-- and I'm liking it.

by kurt_cagle
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 20:50
#14780

I suspect that, ten years from now, when they are compiling the fall of Big Media and the rise of Media, that this particular post will be required reading.

This is one of the most cogent, hard-hitting pieces of pure journalistic brilliance that I've ever had the privilege of reading in any medium. Thanks for writing it.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 21:20
#14805

One of the difference's between ZH and the nbc'c is ZH doesn't have to pay for accolades!

by par4
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 21:58
#14833

Hear, Hear, very well said.

by Bob Dobbs
on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 23:33
#14923

There is only one thing you can do with the Dead, listen to them.

by -273
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 02:36
#15001

People are starting to see the media hologram for what it is.

by Anonymous
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 06:57
#15029

I look at this and feel very sad I never went to school. I bet it says a bunch of intelligent, honest fuck-you's to the asshats on TV who think everyone is like me.

Wish me luck; I have to get through CAPTCHA now.

by Anonymous
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 13:13
#15116

by Dan Duncan (who's account awaits approval)

Zero Hedge has a certain "Little Rascals" quality to it. It's like you guys are up in your little tree house, writing "Manifestos" congratulating yourselves on the last little escapade.

And what is up with this defense of anonymity? It's so petulant. Here's Marla with Power Point Number 1: "Anonymous speech is not a crime." Are you kidding me? It's like I'm reading the rantings in the diary of a 12 year old. What's next Marla...

"Nuh uh."
"Yuh huh"
"I know you are but what am I?"

It truly is a black and white world you live in, when putting one's name next to one's work is... BAM! Narcissism. [Speaking of narcissism...show me a Financial Blogger and you're showing me a text book case of narcissism...straight down to the little Echoes that reside in the chamber of the comment bin.]

Thought Experiment: What if Tyler is really Dick Cheney, and its identity is revealed...what happens next? Does the Zero Hedge community rally behind the former V.P., showing their support by purchasing a bunch of groovy new "Zero Cheney" T-shirts....or....does the community go en masse to local fire departments, asking to have the filmy slime fire hosed off their bodies? [Yeah, yeah, I know it's not particularly relevant...but it is telling nonetheless. Content is content after all...so who cares who writes it!]

And I get the whole thing about Old Media being a dead business model...but what, exactly is the business model of New Media? Is it taken straight from George Strait, "And just give(n) it away..."?

Are donations and cheap Adsense revenue from Realestate.com going to be enough to keep Our Gang of Little Rascals satisfied after two years of writing at this pace? Read the bloggers who've been around for the past couple of years: Most of them are burned out. The only ones with any staying power are the Krugman/Delong types who write 2 or 3 sentences a day. And the others...hell most of them are simply Cut-N-Pasters...or they still slog away in order to leverage a book deal.

Since we're all into fictional characters how about this as a depiction of Zero Hedge's little spat with CNBC:

Marla, dons her black leather jacket and channels her inner Arthur Fonzirelli, while water skiing behind a boat driven by Tyler who's pretending to be Pinky Tuscadero....and in the wake is a large dorsal fin and Marla Jumps!

And on cue, the Zero Hedge Community, like the players in a low rent version of Westside Story conducted in a warehouse with too much echo---sings the refrain of:

"Gasbag Gasparino. CNBC Sucks!"

Freaking Lame...

by Marla Singer
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 13:25
#15118

Hey Dan!

Email me your account name and I'll see what happened to your reg.  (I bet you used yahoo, didn't you!  Probably sitting in my spam inbox).

In future, drop me an email if you have technical problems.

by Marla Singer
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 13:30
#15120

So, just to be clear.  Your account was created a whole 25 minutes ago.  I've approved it.  Not sure what the point of your "who's account awaits approval" was except perhaps to imply (incorrectly) that we are somehow censoring you.  The rest of your reply seems to follow a similar tone.  That's sort of unfortunate.  Anyhow, welcome aboard!

by coop
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 17:58
#15222

Hmmm? If Tyler were Dick Cheney ......... Note to self: Don't go hunting with Tyler.

Dan -

Please don't bring up the issue of "cut and paste". I'm wondering how many people who have consented to "interviews" on the business channels, shook their head in wonderment after seeing the finished result and saying to themselves "That sounded stupid. Did I really say that?"

It would be like going into a lion's cage holding a big porthouse steak as a weapon. 

Did Washington immediately face off the British on the battlefield when he was totally outgunned? No. He sniped at them from well-hidden positions in the trees until he built up a formidable army.  Eventually the British gave up because they didn't know how to win against an enemy that didn't fight by their rules.

The first battle has been won. The enemy is out of the bars (er... barracks) and on to the field to engage the militia.

 

 

 

by Veteran
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 22:36
#15330

You're right.  They should quit now because two years from now they might be burned out. 

 

PS  TD, if you're Dick Cheney I'm going to punch you so hard when you wake up your clothes are going to be out of style

 

PPS  Marla, I'll be the Alfalfa to your Delilah anytime

by assumptionblindness
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 19:51
#15262

Yet another important story that has received no attention.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a5BsXz90CMso

by Anonymous
on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 21:59
#15317

I love this blog. In fact, I don't think I have missed a post in three months. I find that it covers some of the "insider" topics that CNBC and other "financial" sources fail to cover.

by Anonymous
on Sun, 07/26/2009 - 00:43
#15383

MSM can entertain us. But when they profess to give us financial advice that is designed to get us to invest in bad stocks or at the wrong time to keep sponsors happy - it is virtally a ponzi scheme that they are promoting.

by Ruth
on Sun, 07/26/2009 - 17:02
#15604

I stopped watching MSM years ago, probably the same time I got sick of working for 'just a number' 'politically correct aka corrupt TBTF/TCTF' banksters in '95.  And I am sorry to say, I even see PBS too connected and too watered down now, although I enjoy it much much more.   Maybe PBS always was connected, I just did not feel the hypocrisy so much IN MY FACE as with MSM.  Excellent piece and I will be passing this along to every person I know.  Thank You!   

by Anonymous
on Sun, 07/26/2009 - 17:37
#15609

who cares.....tell me where I can find the porn piece :)

by Anonymous
on Sun, 07/26/2009 - 17:45
#15612

I laughed, I cried. That was the best piece of writing I've seen in years.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 07/27/2009 - 01:53
#15776

"Furthermore, Zero Intelligence is not an investment advisor, nor does it promote any securities. If we did, we would disclose it."

by Marla Singer
on Mon, 07/27/2009 - 02:11
#15778

Whatever it is you are worried we are long, we are long it.  In size.  (Also, I think you missed the play on words there.  "Disclosing" that you promote a stock is rather redundant, no?)

by Whizbang
on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 11:11
#81477

Someone may have pointed this out already, but maybe run the editing comb through this one more time. I'd hate to see one of these schlubs ignoring such a well written piece because of a couple of tense errors.

by percolator
on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 11:50
#81518

An absolutely great letter Marla.

by putbuyer
on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:27
#81523

And now they're trying to take my life away
Forever young I cannot stay
On every corner, I can see them there
They don't know my name, they don't know my kind
They're after you with their promises
They're after you to sign your life away

                                                  The Alarm

I was glued to every word. Thanks Marla

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apERyZlTUZU

At 1:26 it speaks volumes.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:01
#81533

Truth seekers are often described as the charlatans of conspiracy. The Grand Wizards of Institutional Deceit use this definition to broadly undermine and marginalize those who disagree with the accepted dictum of power and big money.

Whether it's politics or business, there has always been a soft underbelly of deceit. Some of it is window dressing and narrow institutional promotion. But some of it is destructive to the people and its treasured expectations of honesty and transparency in ALL dealings with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

There hasn't been a time in 8 decades when the public's trust in government and institutional candor has been lower than it is today. That status has been well earned .

ZH can expect more criticism and vague marginalization. So it is for the truthseekers......goes with the territory.

All ZHers should wear their badge of openess proudly and never give quarter to those who prefer operating in the destructive world of darkness and deceit.

by AR
on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:03
#81535

One Word:  IMPRESSIVE !!!

by Anonymous
on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:12
#81548

Nice article 1-2 and Marla. Thanks for taking the time. It must have been a labor of love. Only the truth can set us free. Let's keep looking.

by waterdog
on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 14:15
#81673

Nice work Marla, dump 1 & 2

by Anonymous
on Wed, 09/30/2009 - 21:04
#84630

This post constitutes the best flaying since the centurion took the cat-o'-nine-tails to Jesus in "Passion of the Christ."

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