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"Operation Payback" Crashes VISA Website In Under One Minute As It Seeks Revenge From Second Credit Card Processor
After taking out MasterCard.com earlier, the hacker organization Anonymous Operation, via its WikiLeaks supporting Operation Payback has just launched its attack on visa.com. And, lo and behold, Visa.com is now down.
As of this posting, the operation has succeeded in under one minute: www.visa.com is down.
For those who haven't figure it out yet - mess with hackers at you own peril.
Also, didn't the New York Fed refuse Assange discount window access or something? This New York Fed: www.newyorkfed.org
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The peacock has flown. Fan his tail. Halsey out.
That is actually quite impressive. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
A DDOS is a useful tool to bring attention. BAC probably cannot afford much of that. People may read it as "oh teh noes mai muniez are haxored!" and reduce their confidence in things. It's not much. It's clearly something.
With Visa, WallMart, Newscorp, et. al acting as corporate tools of the government to support a corporate-fascist police state; and oppose the consitution, free speech, and a free alternative media; all those that resist must be considered hero's of the Republic of FREE MEN... and true fighters for the just cause against wrongful authority and tyranny.
DDOS Attacks Against Mastercard and VISA Now Effecting Payments Processing
Earlier the BBC was contacted by a payment firm linked to Mastercard that said its customers had "a complete loss of service". In particular, it said that an authentication service for online payments known as Mastercard's SecureCode, had been disrupted.
The twitter account was just closed immediately after they posted a link to a list of MasterCard numbers.
PROTECTION DISCUSSION fyi some practical things to know:
i have a COMCAST 20meg connection, as an Internet client who has been repeated attacted, continued DAILY in various configurations of attacker ways/means, and various defensive configurations/operating systems, hardward, and anti-intrusion/anti-virus software...AND HAVE LEARNED A LOT, that i would like to share with ZH readers....
1) yes, i have REALLY been attacked in a manner usually reserved for large companies, government agencies, etc...not for money, not for me being 'important', but probably just because i am 'fun to mess with'...i keep coming back, no matter what...harddrives 'wiped clean' (not merely erased)
and new O/S reloaded (without bothering to 'microsoft-activate' anymore, not when that 'clean load' will be knocked down in 1 hour or less...that includes ESPECIALLY MICROSOFT o/s 7...'THEY get lots of fun showing me how quickly THAT can be taken out...'
2) yes, i have 'implemented' every known 'retail version' of antivirus, including M/S VERY OWN...etc..nothing, NOTHING, ever detected!! nor stopped..
3) yes, i have/had implemented the M/S full-deal Professional Security Regime...REALLY...all the 'services' turned off, via msconfigure utility, for instance...and all the various 'local-security' options, and hiding the root/administrator, using only 'guest' or 'user' permissions
4) yes, i have/had/still do use a hardware firewall at the cable head (i REPLACED the COMCAST UNIT, at my own expense)
and limited the incoming ports to "80" and "443" only...out going ports, you must leave SOME of them open...in the "1024-1048" region for YOUR initiated communications...and of course SHUT DOWN the NETBIOS ms bullshit at the ethernet port, and as a service...theres more..
5) yes, i purchased and studied MANY security books relating to both MS and UNIX/LINUx..and implemented MANy MORE 'security-loophole' closures...
6) yes, i FINALLY did 'sort of' 'overcome' the/these intruders, which is what i would like to convey HERE..
6a) i find that using the UBUNTU in the CD/DVD only memory resident TOTALLY operating system with SOME ADDITIONAL measures taken...ALLOWS ME TO CONNECT , with continuous external interference (bringing some download speeds to less than 50kilobits/sec on a line that will work at 2-20 megabits when nobody is DDServicing me.....HOWEVER I CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO USE THE INTERNET, WITHOUT THE BASTARD TEACHERS - TEACHING ME SOME LESSONS OF COURSE...the FINAL temporary solution...
6b) when UBUNTU is memory loaded/resident, usually there is NO security...its a 'demo' after all...however, you MUST CREATE a SECURE USER, protect the UBUNTU user (with near-root privileges), and protect the 'hidden' root users TOO
HOW TO DO: use 'passwd' to create the default 'Ubuntu' user password...it must be STRONG = 14 characters or more, with the entire ensemble of IBM character-set (256 possibles, printable/not printable)...the only 'practical' non-printable is THE SPACE BAR...so use numbers, symbols upper/lower case..use letters upper/lowercase..use about 25% of each 'set' = say 4 space bars randomly, 2 lowercase letters, 2 uppercase letters, 4 numbers, 4 symbols from set of upper/lower case...DO NOT USE ANY MECHANICAL SEQUENCE such as all the symbols from left to right, or any other easy to remember QUERTY physical pattern..it must be HARD, and forget your "easy to remember" THATs from pre-year 2000 advise...
HOW TO DO: use 'sudo passwd root' from the Ubuntu terminal command line... and create the 'root' password...make it one character DIFFERENT from the Ubuntus passwd, so that the "hash" of that 'root password' is different...
HOW TO DO: Create a USER could be named 'USR' under system/ administration/users and groups...give this USER 'no privileges' and provide a different (shorter password, maybe just trunkate the 'root' by a few characters)..
HOW TO DO: then create a SOFTWARE FIREWARE within the Ubuntu
...from the command line, as user = Ubuntu "sudo ufw enable' (the ufw firewall enable)..."sudo ufw logging full" (ENABLES the ufw firewall log with FULL LOGGING TRACE), "sudo ufw default deny incoming" (the basic default will be to block all tcp/ip 'uninvited' incoming packets on ports 1-65435 ...more commands are available here FYI)
HOW TO DO: finally, NOW, YOU CAN CONNECT TO THE INTERNET, BUT NOT QUITE FINISHED..set your hardware firewall to packet size '256' bytes (seems radical, but slows unhindered thruput to about 50%, not bad)...AND set your 'edit connections ethernet/radio to '256' bytes, and no DHCP, burt rather MANUAL TCP/IP like 192.168.0.11 on YOUR COMPUTER, and leave default hardware firewall at like, 192.168.0.1..and manually set you DNS at both firewall/computer..
NOW WITH ALL THIS DONE, you will not STOP the intruders if they are interested (want to play, 'teach you some more lessons') BUT THEY mostly mostly will NOT be able to disrupt your 'on-line-communications' to a 100%, just to 80% slowing of thru put, mostly DENIAL OF SERVICE PACKET FLOODING ATHT THE FIREWALL/COMCAST INTERFACE....which they will stop, once they see you've got the rest handled properly..
HOWEVER, sometimes, depending on THEIR interest, challenge level, a REAL INDUSTRIAL/NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY capable hacker/intruder will STILL get in...you find 'locked processes, finally forcing you to reboot AND OF COURSE RELOAD THE ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM BACK INTO MEMORY...just about 3-5 minute however, so not bad..
YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TRACE THE ACTUAL sucessful ATTACKING PACKET, THE REAL ONE...it will be ONCE and not more than 100 bytes long..SO FORGET YOUR "snort" software..it needs to be be, apparently, literally inside the hardware firewall, ath the first stages of decoding from COMCAST..
NO, COMCAST hasn't the slightest idea, what i am talking about, nor can i demonstrate it, nor have, apparently anyt others in my TCP/IP area complained...
YES, THEY CAN FIND you, by scanning the TCP/IP addresses in your area, they are all, by geographic area, and then finding your typical 'assigned IP'...and then finding your specific computer ID, used EVERYDAY BY ALL INTERNET CONNECTSS...http is not 'connectionless' but reiterates your address/computer ID for every screenfull...
YES, they can find you, even easier, with insertintg a 'cookie' on port '80/443' along with the http, etc..your computer will THEN DIAL BACK, as a kind of 'beacon' MAKING IT EVEN EASIER TO FIND YOU, but only if you are interesting enought to be worth 'hacking'...otherwise you are safe, security in anonyminity....millions of 'on line' computers, ll standard...
YES, they use 'ready made scripts', yes they find out your computer configuration ACPI/+startup ROM/flash...and then fetch from their existing databases, all they need to formulate on the spot the ideal 'single packet' intrusion...
NO, Microsoft is TOTALLY useless, and unfixable..UNIX is better, but only if you use its security, SELINUX and firewalls..AND BECAUSE IT IS NON-STANDARD, more difficult..but not for long...
So, for those interested...some ideas regarding REAL rather than 'pretend' computer security...all of those Microsoft antivirus systems, are TOTALLY USELESS, all the security features in MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 PROFESSIONAL are totally useless...oh yah, the Cisco low-end firewall retail grade, for $200 is totally useless, i bought THREE of them and THEY BLEW OUT THE FLASHED PROGRAM ha ha aha...good thing there was a store warrantee...i returned each within ONE DAY...ha ha,
*yawn* ..post a link to your own blog dude. Most of us are well aware of how the technology works
Have you tried...NOT ANNOYING THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE SMARTER THAN YOU?
Maybe.. Maybe not... Already saw an interview on Dylan Ratigan show with a talking head that is saying we have to restrict the internet... I will reserve judgement..
Woulda been more useful if "they" had posted a manifesto or something, stating the rationale for their actions.
All this wiki shit is just an excuse to shut down the web....stand down wiki/stand down....
operation backfire, DDOS should only be used as cover fire
Snowball effect. More Hackers jumping in.
There were 45,000 LOIC bots yesterday, there are roughly 300,000 of them right now. Top end was 1.2 million earlier today.
LOIC (Low Orbit Ion Canon) is one awesome tool in the power of herds. http://sourceforge.net/projects/loic/
Closest i could ever describe it is being kissed to death by butterflys. It starts as a single "kiss", plink!, it falls off. Then two more kisses, plink plink! Until you notice that all those tiny little "kisses" are now making off with bits of your body just from the sheer volume of butterflys. After a while nothing is left but a big, gaping hole and the butterflys won't stop coming ad infinitum, each butterfly carrying away a microscopic piece of the whole. After a while leaving nothing.
That's how modern DDOS works, it just hits the system in question in a tiny way, 6 billion times a second. In, currently, 300,000 directions. Destroys any ability to log, track, keep DNS running.
Now you might think that turning it off would fix it. It doesn't. It gets worse, the servers and services backlog themselves and buffer all this crap into cache and dumps. When the coast is clear, all the servers start back up, all at once. Then like all the traffic lights turning green at a four way stop, total fucking bedlam.
Worse yet if the servers and services are in the middle of a backup window. Nothing is the same after that, easier to shut it all down and restore from the day before and start again.
That is the true power of DDOS using LOIC.
Where it gets really interesting is if the hackers decide to target the actual public payment endpoints/APIs (webservices etc...) rather than just the public website. Could they P()wn all credit card processing on the web? I think the answer is a tentative... yes.
That will not be good for online commerce.
The bigger question is, after this is all said and done, are they just handing more control to the Gov for doing it? And if so, who is really driving it?
These "Hack-tivists" are doing God's work!
+Q
I smell another false flag, and excuse to extend censorship to the internet. Just watch that swine Lieberman use this to promote his shabby fascist agenda.
I just just keep hitting visa.com with new tabs/requests over and over. fun. nothing illegal there, lieberman can move back home.
If that is the case, how about taking down all the sites that either support him and his campaign sites that solicit donations.
Relax. It's not the NSA it's just anon from 4chan. Been there, done that. They have a huge laugh and then chat each other up.
The only thing I know about 4chan is that you're not supposed to talk about... never mind.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Rules_of_the_Internet
Yeh and unless you are clever, your ip will be noted in this operation and nothing will happen for now, but this is for later. I would be very careful doing this stuff very careful. I think it is some kind of honeypot operation. Operation payback is a interesting terminology. The last time I heard that was when Israel named its northern operations this in its 2006 war in Lebanon. Gee and I wonder what country is home to stuxnet? I sincerely hope I am wrong however. But this whole thing to me is highly suspicious.
duly noted sir, and thank you.
They just got Sarah Palin's website and her credit card info
Oh noes, they gonna shut down the interwebs, it's a false fag!!!!
*facepalm*
Consider this: if the government shuts down the internet, or restricts it in any meaningful way, the government will overplay it's hand and show it's weakness as more subtle methods of control are apparently no longer working. In addition to that, they will alienate and piss off a ton of people who enjoy the internet, and even earn their income through it. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.
They are, after all, very good at it.
really? shut down the internet?? for what, so the people get bored and actually DO something???
Really? I don't see it that way at all. This plays right into the feds next move to shut down the internet. We can't have internet terrorists like Assange's hacker cult now can we. Here comes Internet 2.0. Say bye-bye to the web as you know it. It's a whole new paradigm shift coming fast.
1) the web is not the internet. the internet is a bunch of protocols, the web is a service.
2) nobody can shut down the internet
3) internet 2.0 (whatever the actual fuck that is) will run over the same wire as internet 1.0, and 1.0 will still be there. nobody can actually prevent that AFAIK. not without issuing an ass load of router patches. good luck with that one.
4) and seriously, nobody can shut down the internet.
yep - we are connected
You will certainly benefit from additional research on this topic. Your assumptions are incorrect.
They don't need to 'shut down' the internet. They just need to prevent a large class of individuals from using it for a while...Probably 4 months or less.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/25/internet-kill-switch-appr_n_625856.html
'Authority' is not the same as 'ability'...how exactly are they going to shut down large swaths of networks? I mean, without causing massive economic disruption and concomitant public outcry/protest/rioting. In other words, without looking like the terrorists they are claiming to protect the country from.
its all conditioning if the can feel up women at the airport and make a show of it and play with your Junk , and disrobe your Autistic kid then they own you ...
It's how bullies work they assault you till you stop them ,then tell you your mistaken they were just there to HELP. Every time you let them go further they own you MORE. Otherwise known as intimidation, if you did the same thing to an american 100 years ago they would have hit you in the mouth whether they were a man or woman, but we won't standup like we should, See what Judge Nepolitano said he said stand up to them.
Great comment.!! We need a "thumbs up" button.. Hear that Tyler??.. :)... I mean.. master Tyler
I pointed this out a few days back. This latest TSA escalation is the ultimate invasion of personal privacy. When govt goons start feeling around in people's underwear, what's left? If Americans don't revolt over it, what will they in revolt over? Anything?
Why is anyone still flying commercial? Why haven't the airlines been boycotted into bankruptcy? I WILL NOT fly commercial anymore UNTIL this crap STOPS.
I don't see whay anyone flies at all. I haven't flown in 7 years and haven't found a real need to. Ok sure there are some business guys who feel it is a notch on the bedpost to tell people how much they fly, but aside from them. Fuck it. Don't do it. When we go on trips we rent a nice car from a car rental facility and take our time to get there. Obviously a problem if you want to go out of the country.
You want to change the system don't fly at all, boycott the bastards and watch the airlines go running to congress to get them to lighten up on their clients. Drive baby, even Fred Flintstone had a car.
missing the point. Even if gov shut down the "official" web, computers still could be connected via wireless on p2p connections. And there has been a lot of work in setting up "alternate" webs. Might not be for masses (right away) but there would be communication.
You can run the Internet on a primitive level as store-and-forward over phone lines. The old style bulletin boards were (and are) that way.
Plain old telephone service.
The internet is not "the web" and it is not a destination. The internet is transfer protocols. All you need is a switched fabric and you are there.
Keep talking :) if we have to go back to those ways we can and will do it. :)
can you say F. This Bill is Currently U trying to be pushed S through H during the lame duck session. The 1st amendment is dead as this is the I beginning of the end o for the N internet. Center
www.prisonplanet.com/new-bill-gives-obama-kill-switch-to-shut-down-the- internet.html
www.switched.com/.../new-bill-grants-fed-power-to-shut-down-the-web/
+1,000 Level up!
Da Da da Dum. I chose 'bloodymess' for my perk.
Twitter is clearly preventing "wikileaks" from trending. A search for the term "wikileaks" is streaming around 10 times more tweets than the lowest trending topic, presently "David Lynch".
Predict Twitter is next for the DDoS treatment.
Too late maybe they are fighting fire with fire. The anonops website is now down!
http://anonops.net/cgi-sys/defaultwebpage.cgi
the .cgi is the program that handles the serving of the default webpage.
It's more secure than using a flat html, htm, cfm, php or asp page. the CGI script generates the .htm and drops it in a public location with is handled by the web server and directed properly by ip address translated by the DNS entry (CNAME and A reference).
The cgi binary isn't the website. it's the engine and is dependent on server end permissions to run. While we can see it, the only agent acutally using it is the webserver or the root.
The thing is the entry for anonops is only for LOIC bots and IRC. There is no "website", closest that comes to is 4chan/b/. To get into irc, you only have to get an irc channel and connect. There is also gopher and a couple of other old school tools that by their generic, ancient simplicity are next to impossible to DDOS or hack because they are wide open. There are no locked doors, just services people don't know how to use. It would like giving an 18 year old kid 29 disks to install windows 95 on a desktop nowadays and expect them to know wha tthe hell they were looking at. Or get the same kid to use a timex sinclair ZX81 with a cassette tape drive and telling them to load a program.
Sometimes old is better in terms of security, mainly because it was all so poorly documented and implimented, it required someone else to show you. Since most of the oldfags are dead or retired and there are only a few of us left, we reserve the right to be crotchetty online.
BTW, what you are seeing there is the Apache/cPanel default page telling you there is no page.
Thanks for the re-education. I forget how much I forgot. +1
No they are not
http://twitter.com/wikileaks
Same type of algorithm that makes me insane regarding "Top News" on Facebook (I did suggest that I should be able to write my own algo).
I don't think they'll DDOS Twitter cuz that is one of the rapid ways they get the directions for the attack out. Also, a lot of people are now going to want to participate as "soldiers" in this new form of war and they'll track through Twitter.
On the conspiracy of wikileaks not trending on Twitter, I also think it is strange the Operation Payback isn't trending. So, yeah, I do think Twitter is doing some controlling. Hard for me to believe Aaron Sorkin and Arrested Development are making the list but wikileaks and Operation Payback isn't.
And now, Payback is trending and Sorkin and Arrested Development have dropped off. I think this concept is and organization and going to pick up A LOT of new "soldiers". This has the potential to move really fast.
Twitter are MSM tools.
And worse ... they broke my Twitter app when they nuked their auth APIs. Fookers.
And here comes the resulting legislation to de-anonymize the web.
The last free bastion of free idea exchange is going to be under an all out assault.
That being said, God Speed Anonymous.
We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.
Operation Payback, The Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZNDV4hGUGw
LOL. "We are legion and divided by zero"
Go watch the Anonymous trolling of Oprah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TafVh-0ZoY&feature=related
Honey trap, indeed
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/12/07/julian-assange-in-the-hone...
Thanks, best article I've seen on the subject.
Seems like a good reason to practice masturbation ...
I'll be their are a lot of tech support lads over at PayPal just shitting themselves right now......
Welcome to the WWI cyber war.
It is always easy to start a war but its consequences are always unpredictable. Just ask "geniuses" who started the WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., Just ask Napoleon or German Kaiser and Hitler or Stalin or our incompetent imbeciles GWB and Obama.
I bet that members of the US government and Israel who were responsible for the 9/11 never expected that it would ruin the mighty US empire and its EU collaborators.
The USA and EU real or phony war against Wikileak gravely undercut the legitimacy of the Western World democratic principles and any "high" moral values. Unfortunately, there are no much free speech differences between the USA and EU on one side and the former Soviet Union, the present mafia Russia, communist China and Iran on the other side.
My fellow Americans, we are fked off the big time!
Twitter just suspended the Anon_Operation account that Operation Payback was running though with directions. Said "user does not exist".
The hackers are shooting themselves in the foot. Their actions will help bolster the case for increased oversight and regulation of the internet. Anarchism will not work. Government is required.
P.S. What does the fact that Mr.Assange had sex without a condom say about his respect for healthy boundaries and the concept of sovereignty ?
"Government is required."
That's the problem bone head, we do not have government, we have a criminal, fascist, mob, totalitarian, police thug, jackbooted, cock-sucking, oligarchy running the global cartel. Therefore, we will have anarchy.
@Rusty Shorts
Post of the Day.
This is purely an imitation..
"what does the fact that Mr. Assange (yes I will use the phrase "mr." to let everyone know that this is a sarcastic reference to a term that otherwise addresses a person worthy of respect) had sex without a condom? I, a most respectable and worthy puritan do indeed disapprove!
You, Adam, are a tool.
Please remove the idiotic Rubik's cube graphic from your moniker. You could never even get one side a single color. After several weeks of unemployed effort.
"concept of sovereignty"?
shit, maybe he was trying to merge their collective sovereignty into somethin' bigger and better..or somethin'
Dude, you make it sound like government controls the people. Aren't we supposed to control the government? Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
It's up to the people to demand boundaries from the government, not vice-versa
don't be a pussy
The darknet just got an order of magnitude bigger.
i can haz credit cardz?
bad munkee no banana 4 u
Denial of corporate privilege, bitchez!
here comes the free pass for Obama to shut down the internet whenever he wants
Damn it, +1.
Shit, Will this affect Ronjeremy.com?
Blythe = Fluffer
Blythe Bliss
I just vomited in my mouth!
Don't waste good vomit. Please recycle.
Excellent! Thanks for the pic.
The above evil photoshopped graphic is a terrible slander against my favourite carrier.
I always fly "Air Banzai".
Wall to wall comedy movies, biting satire, scandanavian air hostesses, free drinks, interesting destinations and a safety record that makes Qantas look like Viktor Bout Airlines.
What more could you want ?
Damn it, William. I just snorted root beer out my nose. Carry on;)
no wonder they like him, the guy has like a $5,000.00 trash can, purchased on our dime. He is rich and clever....
HAHAHAHA, +100000000000 !!
I'm going to gouge my eyes out now. Thanks. Mmm hmmm. Buh-bye.
...looks like that squid is ready to squirt some ink.
Joke is on the girls -- THAIN does not have any JUNK!
Clearly he's Barbie's-boyfriend from head-to-toe.
Love your stuff WB but ... that is just scary
lol, good luck with that.
Maybe that would wake the people up from their Dancing with the Stars and make them realize how fascist the country really is. That I would welcome.
i'm not sure they will allow that to happen until it's too late
Are you serious?
They'll just add Fascists to the stars lineup. Problem managed.
Come on now. The Assange is guilty of rape...errr...lying about a condom...errr...not wearing a condom...errr...not sure what it is but I'm sure it's horrible and justifiable of worldwide manhunt greater than that given Osama Bin Laden.
Besides, the guy has 'Ass' in his last name for Christ's sake, he must be a bad, bad person.
Yup, almost as if we wrote the script.
there's always something we need more protection from
4400? or Fight Club......
Just from a general Hagelian standpoint (Problem : Reaction : Solution):
Goal: Shutdown the Internet, but Put the Blame on "Naughty Hackers"
Create Problem: Naughty Hackers Protesting Assange's Arrest
Public Reaction: Oh Please Someone Save Us from Them!
Solution: Internet (Off/On) / Or Traffic Controls
Goal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
order out of chaos
endgame
population < 500,000,000
These folks can't even print Benjamins properly, and you expect them to clamp off the InterTubez? Find a cluebat and bonk yourself with it! :>D
Good luck with that...
Yeah, exactly. "Never let a good 'crisis' go to waste".
Thank God Big Brother is there to save us ! </sarc>
Question is - would you rather do something than nothing? Given the state of the MSM, increasing lack of government oversight on corps and increasing oversight on individuals - maybe this is the line in the sand or maybe it is the first battle.
I know tons of people are saying that Wikileaks will encourage governments to shut down the Internet. So what? If that is what your government is all about ... well they are not representing you.
the internet is currently the only medium we have to spread truth
I was walking down the dusty streets of a Wild West cyber town this morning shooting the breeze and noticed a newly placed black and white poster nailed to a lamp post.
"All anonymous posters will be shot."
A tumbleweed blew past, the cigar I was smoking needed replacing, the saloon was closed, and the sun had just risen. A dark figure appeared around a corner. I checked my holster and tugged on my hat. A whistling sound echoed from the distance. A chill went down my spine. I wasn't sure if it was from the wind...
(Apologies for this digression. I just had a flashback to a spaghetti western I acted in, in a previous life. I am thankful to the Director of “A Fistful of Ravioli” for getting me a small part.)
You have a very firm grasp of the obvious.
Anyone cheering this destruction on will hopefully not have a chance to live under real anarchy. Just ask the normal people who tried to live in Bosnia or Somalia (or better yet, the many who were killed in the endless waves of mass murder).
But who gives a fuck what I say. Let's move on past this mere hacking, bring on the sectarian warfare!! :(
I find your terms acceptable, sir.
awesome post
On your feet on on your knees!
Feet, sir.
Having the people take back their government and economy does not ensure or necessarily imply that it has to be Mad Max.
It was clear in the second sequel that Bartertown reflected the return of some semblance of order.
Pig Shit!
Hilarious. Nicely done.
amen!
I know I don't give a fuck what you say.
I think it has been explained to you before that what you are referring to is Chaos not Anarchy
I wish I had seen your post before replying then lol..lost cause i take it.
There ain't no amount of "explaining". When someone comes along with a bigger gun, or a bigger gang, you will be splained.
Btw, that's a comment on anarchism, not you. For all I know, you would be the firs tking thug...maybe even last a year before the next guy murders you?
And the same statement is just as true under statism; labeling the group of a people, with the biggest guns/gang, a state doesn't change anything. Statism is a debunked ideology that has failed repeatedly for more than 5000 years and is responsible for the murder of 180,000,000 people in the 20th century.
You are very very wrong on your understanding of the philosophy of anarchy.
Somalia and Bosnia are not true examples of an anarchist society; they are examples of of the aftermath of an oppressed society functioning after a corrupt government collapsed. You cannot objectively compare this to a society where citizens recognize that violence is universally immoral, whether practiced by the individual or a group of individuals called the state.
The violence in these countries where the corrupt state has collapsed generally originates from militants who are armed and funded by outside influences. Outside influences who are trying to establish a state to take control of said society.
Without a government, the people of Somalia are doing much better on numerous core metrics in comparison to states surrounding them. Please see this link for more evidence supporting this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtGkTRnocZI
States are directly responsible for an estimated 180,000,000 murders (low-end estimate) in the 20th century alone, and you are concerned about violence in the absence of the state.
Or to put it more simply, Somalia and Bosnia are suffering not from the lack of external government, but from the chaos of competing groups trying to become the next form of "legitimate" government. In other words they have too much government already.
Anarchy is the complete lack of any person, or group trying to control others.
Anarchy is the complete lack of any person, or group trying to control others.
Nature (human and otherwise) ABHORS a vaccuum.
Bear that in mind.
There was a corrupt regime once and swirling around in a cauldron of ideas a foment it demise was set. I guess you could say it was good the monarchy fell, but in the end they were replaced with the fucking Bolshevicks. viva la revolucion!
I lived through the last major revolution as a kid. not fun. bloody. totalitarian while it happens. innocent people get hurt. not something to be wished and you don't want it to gain momentum, once that happens it can become self-fullfilling. but sometimes it can't be helped, the direction of things etc make certain eventualities more possible than others.
visa is back now btw...er....or not....it looks on and off again. I just keep opening tabs.
There was a corrupt regime once and swirling around in a cauldron of ideas and foment it demise was set. I guess you could say it was good the monarchy fell, but in the end they were replaced with the fucking Bolshevicks. viva la revolucion!
Where have I heard that before?
Dumbass you've been living under anarchy your whole fuckin life. It's just been hidden.
LOL, love it. What's that they say about payback.....
The people are trying to stand up to governments and institutions they no longer have any trust in. Gonna get interesting and I think will actually affect markets and investments too.
I'm really not impressed with Wikileaks need to release shit for the purpose of maximizing their presence vs real meaningful change but I have to admit the guilty pleasure of knowing the oligarchy and its system is getting hit even if it's very childish and limited.
Same feeling here. If these hackers want to have a real impact, they need to go after Fedwire. Now that'd be some fireworks...
REAL IMPACT would be to hack into the HFT Computers and push their Stocks to 0.
Although, this would not be new as the HFT Computers did it themselves to a few Stocks. But, for an outsider to do it would cause REAL PANIC..
Now that is really subversive ;)
In case you haven't seen it, I wrote a short story on that very subject:
http://madscienceunlimited.com/fiction/theexchange.html
I'd like to think that anon would love Fortran for her optimized 64-dimensional compiler and parallel analytical engines running atop a 10,000 volt superconducting network fabric, rather than just her cup size. But when she's got it all why choose?
Then let them know. 4chan.org is the home of "anonymous" (as if you could call them an organization), mainly in /b/. Don't tell them where you came from, please. Although most of the people there are quite intelligent, they are pretty much 100% trolls, and they mostly have a rather chaotic alignment.
It's forced anonymous there, so feel free to spam your message. Explain what Fedwire is, and why it should be attacked. Make a nice graphic in line with those used to advertise other attacks. Things move so fast there, you have to work to keep your message from falling off of the last page. Check to see it other people are reposting it. Once they start doing so, it will likely become self sustaining, and you can let it go.
Smartest group of 15-year-olds on the planet.
The promise of chaos will stir most to action, but as an added inducement you should know that they are very receptive to lolcat pictures. They will, moreover, ask you for tits (or GTFO).
Not that I've ever been there.
Smart and fearless; minors get all the breaks. Shoe on head or GTFO.
Hmmm....
Like Robotrader provides and some users ask him/her for ?
LOL! Rock on, Project Mayhem! ASK NO QUESTIONS!
what is the phone number to call and complain that the website is down? ha.
+ 900 billlion. That's art man, real art!
All this talk of hacking/attacking credit card companies is reminding me of Operation Mayhem.
i smell jail for someone. the can.