Osama bin Laden's Last Will

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Sat, 05/07/2011 - 16:01 | 1251337 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Allahu Akbar

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 16:01 | 1251341 aphlaque_duck
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Ah, sherpa sherpa. 

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 16:05 | 1251347 Sophist Economicus
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Ahla yaba dabba do

Hope you're rotting in Hell, Bin-Asshole.   If not in hell, at least you're rotting!

Hee Hee

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 16:24 | 1251369 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Bin Laden was an idiot, no doubt.  His first mistake was that he failed to read the Koran with diligence.  Nowhere, and I will repeat, nowhere in the Koran does it refer to "jihad" as anything but a war with the self.  Jihad is a personal struggle, and concerns no one else besides the individual.  Anyone who thinks otherwise has failed to read the book properly, or has not read it at all.  Those who followed Bin Laden were deceived into thinking the son of a family heavily invested in the perpetration of Islam knew what he was talking about when it came to religion and spirituality.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 16:53 | 1251469 Tuco Benedicto ...
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No, Osama's first mistake was not realizing that the CIA would double-cross him just like they did Sadam and are doing to a  host of totalitarian puppets in MENA as we speak. 

 

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramrirez

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 10:59 | 1252831 snowball777
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Two-way street, that.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 17:56 | 1251568 Léonard
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Nowhere, and I will repeat, nowhere in the Koran does it refer to "jihad" as anything but a war with the self.

WRONG. There are many sourates incentive to violence and war against non muslims like Sourate 8, 39 ; Sourate 8, 59-60 ; Sourate 47, 4 ; etc. Mahomet himself was one of the biggest criminal in History. He killed thousand of men, women and children.

The Koran says "Jihad with the heart, the tongue, the hand and the sworn". The Jihad of the tongue is war with lies (lying is not a sin in Islam). The Jihad with the hand and the sworn is war with physical violence against non muslims.

So if Osama was a real jihadist, he just did what his prophete and his holy book told him to do. People really need to educate themselves about Islam and its history cause this stuff has nothing to do with a religion of "peace and tolerance".

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 18:34 | 1251651 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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None of the passages you list contains the word jihad nor do they promote violence.  I am not here to discuss the acts of men but the words of the Koran.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 20:12 | 1251800 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I'm not going to your stupid ass site again, I already read that jibberish once.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 20:12 | 1251803 NOTW777
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you cant refute any of it - direct quotes from the quran; facts and stats about killing

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 20:19 | 1251817 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Jihad is war with self, that is the definition of jihad. 

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 20:53 | 1251882 sun tzu
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Maybe you should enlighten the Muslims in the Philipines, Thailand, India, Pakistan, India etc..

They don't agree with you. Afghanistan used to be a Buddhist country until those who refused to convert to Islam were slaughtered. 

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 21:12 | 1251923 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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No man can help another become enlightened.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 00:20 | 1252328 sun tzu
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Obviously

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 11:25 | 1252865 ibjamming
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You're a deluded idiot.  At the referenced "www.thereligionofpeace.com" did you notice about halfway down the page...the list of terrorist acts over the last 3 months?  Quite a list isn't it...  Have you ever BEEN to a ME country?  They're SERIOUSLY fucked up...and NOT a place I'd want to call "home", nor stay any longer than necessary.  They DO want the world to be Muslim...just as the Christians wanted the world Christian.  Please don't speak of that you don't REALLY know.  Propaganda is everywhere!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:30 | 1252996 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Not discussing the people, discussing the book.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 00:07 | 1252307 Rastadamus
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WHAT you say is true Mr. Hendrix and anyone following Mr Bin Laden is going against the teaching. But let's look at the Christians, a more bloodthirsty lot you would never want to meet, excvept many of them don't beleive in the actual teaching of Jesus, just the fact that they are forgiven.

MANY OF THE PEOPLE RIDICULING U ARE JUST IGNORANT AS F%$K

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 11:20 | 1252856 snowball777
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"...cant refute any of it - direct quotes from the quran"

Was Jehu perpetrating jihad against the worshipers of Baal? Seems like your God condoned it:

The LORD said to Jehu, “Because you have done well in executing what is right in My eyes, and have done to the house of Ahab according to all that was in My heart, your sons of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel.

Seems like there's a causal relationship between religious belief and a predisposition to violence.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/images/religion_peaceful.gif

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 20:54 | 1251888 downwiththebanks
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Who cares?  Christians blew up the towers.  Why aren't we discussing Christianity or its pedophiles?

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 20:52 | 1251884 downwiththebanks
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It's especially relevant since those who operate alCIAda are Christians!

How much violence is there in the Christian bible?  Does that explain why they blew up the towers?

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 19:12 | 1251640 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You say not true and then give a site that is as accurate quoting the Koran as Bin Laden is.  Fail.  Next time give me a wiki page so I can wipe my ass with it.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 19:21 | 1251714 NOTW777
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you are a deceiver

the quran preaches killing of Christians and Jews in multiple places and your spin is false

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 19:43 | 1251754 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I'm your huckleberry....

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 19:29 | 1251731 NOTW777
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[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 19:38 | 1251739 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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It is about killing one's own ego, not other people.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 21:27 | 1251969 chindit13
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Perhaps you can at least admit that some of the poorly educated amongst Islam's billion plus followers might be slightly confused by the allegorical meanings you seem spot so easily?  Then there are some intelligent and highly educated Moslems, ObL amongst them, who justified their killing based on their interpretation of the Koran, coupled---in my opinion---with the fact they were raised in a society where the practice of any faith other than Islam is considered so vile that even today it is punishable by death, public beheading style.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 21:28 | 1251975 nmewn
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Or pay the jizyah.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 21:34 | 1251993 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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That would be such a trite discussion.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 22:51 | 1252152 chindit13
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Trite?  Yes, in the heart of the Koran Belt---Saudi Arabia---the law still exists on the books that the practice of any religion other than Islam is muharram.  No churches, no Bibles, Torah's, Teachings of Buddha are allowed.  Not even private services are allowed, though many are held illegally.  Punishment for violation is death by public beheading. 

In the late 1990's two Filipino men were sentenced to death, scheduled to be carried out---ironically or sadistically---on Christmas Day.  Their "crime" was to hold a private Christian service in their homes for ex-pat Pinoys and Pinays.  There were "caught" by the Mutawwa, the Committee for the Preservation of Virtue and the Elimination of Vice.

Only intervention by the USG prevented their public beheading, and instead had them deported for their "crimes".

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 23:28 | 1252240 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Killing in the name of.....

If you must have blood, bathe in the blood of the infidels...Soldiers of Hell, become soldiers of the living God!

-Pope Urban II

Told you this would be trite.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 23:46 | 1252270 chindit13
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This is about Islam and the writings that leave more than a little room for interpretation, particularly when viewed in light of the manner in which Mohammed led his post-enlightenment life.

As for Christianity, or specifically Catholicism, I don't need no Pope Urban when the Borgia family is evidence enough.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 00:09 | 1252298 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You are picking and choosing your narratives.  Once again, the words of the Koran have nothing to do with the acts of men.  You surmise that because people do not understand the words, and act in an evil manner, then the words are to blame.  This premise is flawed.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 00:10 | 1252309 sun tzu
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Perhaps it is you who does not understand the words. If you understand them so well, you should enlighten the Saudis

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 00:20 | 1252327 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Man can not enlighten others, only the self can attain it.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 00:24 | 1252335 sun tzu
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But of course. Those imams, ayatollahs, and holy men are wrong in their interpretation of the Quran. Non-Muslims like you have the correct interpretation. You said so yourself.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 11:00 | 1252833 Vagabond
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You religious folk are just too much for me.  We need morality, not "The word of God", or the word of Muhammed or anyone else.  Man-made mass religion is a disaster in just about every form.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 11:27 | 1252866 snowball777
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But thinking for yourself and establishing a moral code by anything but rote mimicry is so hard.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 00:16 | 1252318 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Response to Chindit; edited from above....

You are picking and choosing your narratives.  Once again, the words of the Koran have nothing to do with the acts of men.  You surmise that because people do not understand the words of the Koran, and act in an evil manner that is not justified by the Koran, then the words of the Koran are to blame.  This premise is flawed.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 00:44 | 1252378 chindit13
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We’ll disagree here. I’ve always been interested in the genesis of the various religions, from Judaism through to Mormonism. Each is a product of its times, obviously, and subject to the frailties of the human mind, plus, obviously the needs of the human psyche.

The suras of the Koran were finally penned long after Mohammed had departed. The hadiths came later. All were via word of mouth, which is obviously dependent on really good memories. The stories of his life contained in the hadiths are not disputed in the whole by any Islamic scholars. Minor interpretational differences, yes, but on balnce they are taken as a factual representation of Mohammed’s life and exploits after his enlightenment. Those tales show a lot of violence, so it is quite reasonable to suspect that the authors--or reporters---of the suras believed the violence in the actual verbiage is not allegorical (I read Arabic, by the way, so can read it in the original form). Certainly that is how some in Islam have chosen to interpret them, though by no means all Moslems.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 07:35 | 1252624 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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How trite.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 09:38 | 1252740 chindit13
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Bad response. You did not defend your position. The suras and hadiths reflect the violence Mohammed perpetrated on those who refused his “message”. The words some now worship are a product of the times in which they were written. An ignorant, albeit seemingly charismatic man, developed a following. Long long after the fact, people who find comfort in any message, and who have a need for religion, try to interpret the message the authors of the suras and hadiths penned as something peaceful, when it is not. It is violent, because that is how Mohammed dealt with people who would not accept his message.  Fortunately, time and evolution have obviated some of humanity’s more base tendencies, and some can pretend they know what Mohammed “really” meant.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:36 | 1253023 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You were discussing your qualities; perhaps I should've responded with 'How quaint.'
The Koran is thought to be the word of god. What he did with his life after told the word of god is irrelevant. Your argument would not stand in court, so what makes you think it is acceptable here.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 00:12 | 1252313 Rastadamus
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What is the excuse of the poorly educated Christians that don't know how to turn the other cheek, or cannot see that they aren't forgiven, but invited to pick up a cross and suffer like their so called master. Nope! They'd rather believe their forgiven and drop hendreds of 2000 pound JDAM bombs to kill a terrorist and a couple dozen innocent people.

 

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 23:08 | 1252191 WeekendAtBernankes
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You are so full of bullshit.  It might have been believable 10 years ago but no longer.  It is a well known fact that the difference between the Torah, Bible, and Quran is that the Torah and Bible are flush with parables and allegory open to personal interpretation.  The Quran is the supposed direct word of God.  It is not open to interpretation and to taken literally, a fact about which it is very specific.  You know this and yet you come on here and lie.  

Surprisingly others are willing to suck up to you, saying "Oh, you're the enlightened one, but those others."  I know a lie when I see it, and you've polluted this thread with yours.  I, for one, will not be fooled.  

How disgusting is your religion that it encourages you to come to this forum and outright lie about its principles to hide its deviant barbarism.  I hope this thread serves to show others who are as yet unaware just how vile and insidious Islam is.

Sat, 05/07/2011 - 23:45 | 1252255 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Jihad literally translates to "personal struggle" or rather "war with self".  When one reads the Koran with that premise, then one can see that when it says of killing, it is referring to ending the struggle with yourself.  The Koran is literally telling you to kill your demons.  As far as the Bible, that is (also) the word of god.  The Koran accepts the Bible as truth, by the way, and Jesus (and others in the Bible) as prophets.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 04:58 | 1252561 WeekendAtBernankes
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There were 152 Islamic terror attacks last month in 19 countries with 907 dead and 1603 critically injured.  That's 84 casualties a day.  You can do your best to paint a pretty picture around that.  Fuck you man.  You're going to burn in Hell.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 10:08 | 1252775 Votewithabullet
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He wont be alone fuck job. Fucking flat earther, you all ready for the 21st? Sold all yer shit and waiting for your rapture?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:59 | 1253089 WeekendAtBernankes
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lol

You believe that May 21st bullshit?  And you call me a flat-earther?  Texe Marrs called, asshole, he wants his swastika back.

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