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Oxford Economics Looks At The Role Of Gold Under Inflation And Deflation, Finds Average Gold Holdings Should Be At Least 5% Of AUM

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Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:37 | 1444785 GetZeeGold
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Get gold.....check.


Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:25 | 1444983 LongBalls
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Question - Of ones gold holdings how should they be invested as a percentage. Physical, ETF's, Mining Stocks? I own physical as of now but struggle with the balance of type to own.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:43 | 1445052 Janice
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A goldbug would tell you that if you can't physically hold it, you don't own it.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:54 | 1445118 RockyRacoon
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An ETF is a type of paper, not a type of metal.

I guess that makes me a bug, per Janice.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 19:37 | 1445867 DoChenRollingBearing
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Rocky and I are in the same club.  If you don´t have it in your warm little hands (paws), it ain´t yours!

I am in with 12% PMs (75% of that in gold).  But then again, I joined the Tinfoil Hat Brigade when I could not take the lies anymore...

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:44 | 1445059 JumpinJonnyK
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I think 5% may be a little low if you ask me.  I am trying to keep around the 15% mark.  Just an FYI for everyone www.goldshark.com is a cost comparison shopping site for gold and silver.  It has saved me money and it's free to use.  Thought I would share

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 16:21 | 1445245 Whalley World
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This morning I sold half of my paper physical in my retirment account (RRSP in Canada) and will get the money (less 20% tax) to put into more physical.  With the world financial markets in turmoil, I need to hold my gold and silver close to home.  All of my phys. was taken out of my bank safety deposit box years ago.

Take possession and sleep at night.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:39 | 1444792 WilliamShatner
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Only 5%?

Get moar, bitchez!

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:43 | 1444807 mayhem_korner
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Downside outlier of being "too long" gold = I can live with

Downside outlier of being "too short" gold = I can't live with 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:50 | 1444840 Bay of Pigs
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Roger that.

The next leg up is going to be a big one. Probably 200 points or more.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:48 | 1444827 Sudden Debt
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If every fund would go to 5%, gold will be priced at 3000/4000 dollar.

Without the national banks of course which make it go to 5000/6000 dollar.


But they do everyting to prevent a price like that.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:16 | 1444951 mick_richfield
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It will be more than 5% after you lose the rest of your portfolio in the Panic.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 17:10 | 1445427 Thorlyx
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good one ! I was also thinking along these lines. If one has 30 % today, it might become 100 % very quickly.  Alternately, 5 % of 1.000.000 invested 10 years ago is already 50 % of the same amount !

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 19:41 | 1445903 DoChenRollingBearing
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Aye, aye, Captain!

12% for me.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:40 | 1444795 mayhem_korner
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I love it when these guys find the "optimum" in a stochastic analysis with an indeterminate underlying distribution.

Always a deterministic solution to a probabilistic problem.  I call that betting.



Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:11 | 1444908 cpnscarlet
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Okay...I'll bet on 7.

A reasonable solution.

Oh yeah - I'll go long human nature...sure win.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:11 | 1444924 Zero Govt
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not quite sure what you said there but think i agree!!

Oxford Economics recommends 5% of your portfolio in Gold. What would they do with the other 95%?

Gold's gone from $250 to £1,500 in the past 10 years. Would any other part of their 95% out-perform that? So why the hell not go all-in if you're onto a winner!

This absolutely spastic belief in a "diversified portfolio ..spreading risk" suggest you're too timmid or clueless to know which asset class is going to be best performing (ie. 95% of their portfolio will be underperforming)

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:21 | 1444966 mayhem_korner
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Layman's terms: if the future is uncertain and thus subject to a whole host of possible outcomes, there can be no "optimum"; every strategy will have a maximum upside and a maximum downside.

The way to look at these probabilistic problems is to understand how well you can tolerate the extreme outcomes for a given strategy...that is risk analysis in a nutshell.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:57 | 1445133 RockyRacoon
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Where's the "risk" in holding physical gold?   It is valued in fewer dollars (or the fiat du jour)?

So everything else costs less as well.   Not a risk in my book.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 16:32 | 1445285 Shell Game
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It also lacks the counter-party risk paper assets are plagued with.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 16:44 | 1445318 mayhem_korner
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Holding more gold means holding less of something else.  The risk is that the something else out-performs gold over your time horizon.  If the gold you now hold was instead invested in silver, and silver out-performs gold 3:2 over the next year, you would be better off with the silver, no?  That's the risk.

So if one believes that the best road is to be 100% invested in gold, the measure I look at is ... can you tolerate the worst-case (possible) outcome of gold under-performing its alternatives.  If you can, fine; if not, then you probably ought not be 100%.


Mon, 07/11/2011 - 20:53 | 1445562 Shell Game
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Is physical gold an investment or is it security?  I see it solely as a quiet and time-tested store of my wealth.  My trading account, on the other hand, has some diverse competing assets  like SCO, AGQ, DAG, several gold miners and on again/off again short hedges.  The latter is investment, the former is a different beast entirely.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 01:21 | 1446822 RockyRacoon
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Moderation in all things, grasshopper.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 16:23 | 1445250 Whalley World
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Go all in like you are sitting on a Royal Flush

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:57 | 1445134 Pladizow
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Those who predict the future, lie, even when they tell the truth!

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:42 | 1444803 Quintus
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2.25% Growth and 2% Inflation?  That would be the Bank of England's wet dream.  How about the much more likely scenario of 0.0% Growth (IF we're lucky) and 5.5% inflation?

I'll see your 5% Gold allocation and raise you 50%

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:37 | 1445024 grey7beard
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>> I'll see your 5% Gold allocation and raise you 50%

50%? Piker.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 16:06 | 1445181 Quintus
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Well, I need the other 50% for silver.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:43 | 1444808 pstpetrov
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Got gold? I do.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:43 | 1444809 Flore
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you should go the fulll 100 % in gold.. i did

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:44 | 1444813 problemfixr
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Gold and Silver Bitchez...

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:44 | 1444814 Transitory Disi...
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Just when will house prices crash in the UK?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:29 | 1444997 goldm3mb3r
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When rates rise.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:45 | 1444815 kengland
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5%? I'll take a zero hedge with 100% yellow metal coins

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:50 | 1444838 Shell Game
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That 5% number is something I would expect from a nadir of gold sentiment and zenith of $US sentiment, circa 80s-90s.  With world events as they are and writings on the wall as they are, these baffoons come up with 5%? Really?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:06 | 1444898 Temporalist
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They are trying to be realistic I think.  Since you reference the `80 at that time gold investment was 4%.  Presently gold investment is under/around 1%.  If more people, let's say 2% or a doubling of the present investment interest, decide to get 5%, from the 1% now, it will have a major impact.  That doesn't seem so paltry when looked at from that perspective.


Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:40 | 1444959 Shell Game
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I see your point and agree that having more of the public at 5% exposure would be a vast improvement, so perhaps 'buffoons' (thanks TM) was a bit harsh.  I remember 30 years ago hearing advisors suggest 5%-10% physical PMs, so this 5% in current times seem uninspiring to me.

Herd investment has never put much emphasis on capital preservation and fiat realism, and has preferred to emphasize playing The Game.  So, I don't have a lot of respect for most mainstream investment advice.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 19:49 | 1445928 DoChenRollingBearing
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5% - 10% is OK what my banker / investment advisors say.  And they are very mainstream.

I am happy at 12%.  That will likely grow slowly as money comes in.  Buy a little here, buy a little there.  I have been doing that a long time...

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 20:40 | 1446079 Shell Game
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30 years ago 5% was a good number.  When the dotcom bubble burst signs formed that strongly suggested 10% was a better number.  The Fed's QE program, which got started summer of '09 I believe, was another strong signal to increase one's percentage of physical metals in portfolios to 15% or higher.  I'm at the point where all extra money is converted and a good portion of my IRAs have been converted.  Crazy times...

You have a good advisor, Bearing.  But the thing is, in this world of fiat, there has not been mainstream reality. All pro-gold talk has been quite alternative and contrarian.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:23 | 1444975 tmosley
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Better than the 0% most buffoons in the profession come up with.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 01:24 | 1446827 Urban Redneck
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Those same buffoons generally can't beat the S&P with a 100% fiat allocation and almost full deployment of capital to the endeavor.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 16:51 | 1445350 akak
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That 5% number is something I would expect from a nadir of gold sentiment and zenith of $US sentiment, circa 80s-90s.

Are you sure you don't mean, from the Nadlir of gold sentiment?


Mon, 07/11/2011 - 18:00 | 1445576 Shell Game
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aah, my clever cross-boned provocateur... :)

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:46 | 1444820 PulauHantu29
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If Paulson had bought more gold instead fo bankrupt Chinese companies and BAC he would be up 40% now instead of losing his investors money. He need sto follow Kyle Bass and UT Retirement System .....buy more gold.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:49 | 1444829 coppertop
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and he uses paper gold too.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:48 | 1444824 Just Observing
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Yeah 5% if you want to lose your ass in the next few years.

50% is a lot closer, and only if another 30% or so is in silver.

Add in 10-20% energy stocks/trusts and you have the "well rounded portfolio" for the next decade.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:49 | 1444833 Bastiat
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5% in gold and the other 95% in silver?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 17:08 | 1445416 TN Jed
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+ 43:1

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:49 | 1444834 Transitory Disi...
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A third of finance directors believes UK economy will double-dip Boardroom confidence in the economic recovery is collapsing at its fastest rate in three years as companies predict falling profit margins and fear the fallout from weak consumer spending in the UK.


Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:57 | 1444837 Temporalist
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Kingworld News interviews ex Goldman Sachs Silver Manipulation Whistleblower Andrew Maguire about the new Gold and Silver exchange in China


300 million customers.  If 1% bought a 10oz contract it would require new physical demand of 1000 tons of gold. (paraphrasing)

Similarly if the same 1% chooses to move into silver it will require 1.6 billion oz of physical to be found (I guess they can dig it out of the ground for $5).


Here is summary of interview:


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