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Oxford Research Group Concludes Israeli Attack On Iran Would Start Long War
One wonders how many Ph.D. were consulted in the preparation of this report. Yet aside from the glaringly obvious, there are some other interesting observations. "An Israeli attack on Iran would be the start of a protracted conflict that would be unlikely to prevent the eventual acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran and might even encourage it. Long-range strike aircraft acquired from the United States, combined with an improved fleet of tanker aircraft, the deployment of long-range drones and the probable availability of support facilities in northeast Iraq and Azerbaijan, all increase Israel's potential for action against Iran." According to the report, it might take three to seven years for Iran to develop a small arsenal of nuclear weapons if it decided to do so. Also, the report wisely states that an Israeli strike would be focused not only on destroying nuclear and missile targets but would also hit factories and research centers and even university laboratories to damage Iranian expertise. Shockingly, this would cause many civilian casualties. Oxford believes Iran's retaliation would include withdrawing from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the production of nuclear weapons to deter further attacks. Other recourse would include missile attacks on Israel, closing the Strait of Hormuz to push up oil prices and paramilitary or missile attacks on Western oil facilities in the Gulf. Fun bedside reading.
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Well D'oh!!
I did that for you. As a gesture.
Now, how fast can you run?
There are ten other bombs, in ten other buildings in the immediate area...
This is the beginning. We're at ground zero. Maybe you should say a few words, to mark the occasion.
Jack and Marla look out the windows: a building EXPLODES; collapsing upon itself. Then, ANOTHER BUILDING IMPLODES into a massive cloud of dust. Jack and Marla are silhouetted against the skyline.
Jack looks to Marla, reaches to take her hand.
Jack Says: I'm sorry... you met me at a very strange time in my life.
This is another intellectual masturbation.
Prior to the 9/11, the USA was the only unquestionable superpower. Today, it is all a history.
Executing the 9/11, the USA and Israeli leaderships were looking for an overwhelming change of their already existing world domination.
However, just short 7 years later
- The USA superpower status is very much questionable. The USA economic and military capabilities are very much limited. The Georgia event has shown that Russia was ready and willing to challenge militarily the US expansion in their backyard.
- Both China and Russia have made gigantic strives and advances in their geopolitical/military/economic capabilities.
- Russia is just one step away from becoming a Fascist state with a nationalistic agenda
- Pakistan is a wild card with nuclear capabilities
- The US European allies are in a state of disarray and general decline.
- Japan will not support future major American adventurism.
- Both Iraq and Afghanistan clearly have show US geopolitical limitation.
Therefore, an "Iranian adventure" will have catastrophic consequences for the USA and dramatically change the present highly unstable geopolitical balance of power. The WWII has united the USA. However, the presently American society is in a state of disintegration and decay and will be incapable of sustaining stresses of any major international confrontation.
Finally remember that wars are very unpredictable. Prior to the WWII, nobody even dreamed that Soviets would emerge as a superpower aggressively challenging the USA and destroying the British empire. Only disastrous policies of the Soviet leader N. Khrushchev (demilitarization of the Soviet society, an array of catastrophic economic failures, the major confrontation with China, etc.,) allowed the USA to recover and reassess its world leadership.
Now I'm a fan of doom and gloom, much like everyone else here. But to claim that the US status as a superpower is "questionable" is just plain stupid.
The USA could still erase any nation on Earth if she wanted to. The question isn't "is the US capable of winning". The question is "Is it worth winning".
The "sole superpower" rhetoric was always misunderstood. Detente never went away. The pyrrhic realities of most military pro/counter insurgencies meant the USA, while still unthreatened, was never unchallenged. Being a "superpower" consists of the former, not the latter.
<But to claim that the US status as a superpower is "questionable" is just plain stupid.
The USA could still erase any nation on Earth if she wanted to.>
So are Russia and China.
<the US status as a superpower is "questionable"> means that the present situation is rapidly changing not to the US advantage. By losing its industrial base, US military capabilities will start its rapid deterioration in the coming years.
I bet someone in ancient Rome once said something much the same...History has shown that Hitler's decision to fight on just two formidable fronts was a decisive moment.
Current wars/commitments held by the US are already unsustainable; another war in the ME would simply light the candle at the other end. What I'm yet to read, is the simple and obvious reality, that both Terrorism and the war in Afghanistan are essentially Guerrilla Wars. An Iranian attack would merely create a ME Guerrilla coalition, with Iran openly supporting/supplying further terrorist activity.
The only winners of Guerrilla Warfare is the Military Industrial Complex...and of course the Guerrillas themselves (Vietnam was a Guerrilla war...how'd that one pan-out?!).
Now's not the time for anyone to be fooling themselves, Terrorism and the war in Afghanistan will never be won.
Also, there are other ME nations would more than likely get involved.
No shit Sherlock.
In other news, the latest Gallup poll says that 85% find rain-soaked clothing feels wet.
I like that he cites himself 4 times right away.
Double post FTL
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It complains that this site is including content from 95x.211x.14x.0x (x's added by me.)
Just FYI
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One of google's ads includes some javascript based malware. we have attempted to contact them about it. we are sure they will get right on it.
I had the same problem with the malware message this morning, twice around roughly 6:00am
Remember Aaron Russo : Iran and Venezuela are on Oligarch's target list.
Thanks for including this, Fiddler. Microchips are also on this NWO 'wish list.'
If you don't know what we mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
Already in place a la facebook.......
"The mark will be placed in the right hand..."
and what happens when you put everybody's faces in a book?
That would be the place where the faces and the book MET.
And what about this name facebook?
And if we only use the first syllables in the words and reverse them we get bofa....met.
Bofamet.
It is almost all over now....they are very ready.
http://www.simplepc.com/2005/images/hand_and_mouse.jpg
You ought to send that to Jack Van Impe. Rexella can include it when she presents the news.
They wouldn't touch it. If people were told that fb tracks everybody under a guise, and the people cared (which they should), the economy would lose one of the only revenue streams holding it together.
I dig your point though, it is some crazy assed shit for sure.
Way too much makeup on those two
That's the voluntary backup plan. The primary plan is already running full steam.
Remember getting a drivers license 20 years ago??
You had an instant Polaroid photo laminated into your license, by an out of work teacher.
Now, you submit to a digital photograph, by an out of work teacher.
Hey, speaking of teachers. Don't you need a photographic id to enter all schools (prisons) ?
All these photos are in a database.
Biometrics Bitchez!
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n/a
EDIT: The original comment disappeared [and rightfully so; it was a piece of shit ATS-esque comment]; so mine is really now a reply to nothing/no one.
CB,
Hope your feeling better...the acerbic wit level has taken a dive around here lately...get well.
I threw up a India & Pakistan story below about India accusing Pakistan of carrying out the Mumbai massacre. They have real nuclear toys.
See what ya think.
I believe that the US has a suspect in custody for the Mumbai attack. He did operate in Pakistan as an agent for the American DEA. Now US authorities have refused to extradite him to India. Interesting story.
Nice to see you CB.
Hope you are well.
I'm thinking of turning this into a children's book, it's only a start, I will keep everyone updated on it's progress.
So I assume 5 is the limit of junk for display. There are those out there who think your part of the conspiracy by deleting such a timely post, Venus is not going to be happy.
Please go back to ATS. And no 5 is not a junk limit; your comment was too stupid to be displayed much longer. Please, please go back to what-ever-the-fuck "Reptilians are trying to eat our brains/eyes/dicks/continents/freedom and they are also Jews" site and stay away from here with your idiotic.... well I dont know what to call what you originally written.
ATS, the American Thoracic Society?
Sadly I was not the author, I thought it was a little over the top and had to be 'shared'. Now take a deep slow breathe with me.
OK; than I apologize. And it was much more than just " a bit over the top". It was in the upper part of the atmosphere almost drifting into vast nothingness.
Hugs and kisses. There are actually videos associated with that post. That was one of the more interesting posts out there. Next time I'll bring it to the yahoo message board, they sure appreciate such insights!
and just in case anyone thinks I mean to post it elsewhere or believe this 'stuff',
"I will never post this type of crap again."
Now I'll cut and paste the above line 100 times for punishment.
Next time I'll bring it to the yahoo message board,
Why doesn't anyone use the word "take" anymore? You "bring" something here, but you "take" something there.
I'll do it for you then...
BEHAVE, BITCHEZ!
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I'm really looking forward to 2012!
Well, one part of this report is obviously BS (dhimmi propaganda, really):
"An Israeli attack on Iran would ... might even encourage it [Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons]."
Since they are working on acquiring nuclear weapons now, no action in the future could be said to encourage it. Iran exhibits classic Bill Clinton "triangulation", with various people saying:
- we are not pursuing weapons
- why shouldn't we have the right to the weapons our enemies have?
- we will wipe Israel off the map
- the islamic republic of Iran is peaceful
- we will show the great satan a holocaust such as he has never seen before
- etc.
We all better hope that someone has the backbone to stop Iran's relentless pursuit of nuclear bombs.
bearster,
"According to the report, it might take three to seven years for Iran to develop a small arsenal of nuclear weapons if it decided to do so."
These dudes are ON CRACK..............
It's already been reported Iran HAS NOW, TWO ( 2 )Nukes.
Ready to ROLL.
( If the report said 2, count on it being SEVERAL.)
You cannot believe anything these murdering manical religious 12th Imam jackoffs say.
They eat,sleep, and breathe DEATH, we dream of wealth, bootiful babes,a peaceful life, family, etc.
They wet dream of MURDERING us, and Israel................
Bottom line they are Physcopaths................
If Iran had even a single nuke, Tel Aviv would be a memory. They have no nuke.
They have no nuke.
True.
If Iran had even a single nuke, Tel Aviv would be a memory.
Probably not so much true. The Iranian leadership is no less rational than that of other nuclear armed states. One nuke dropped by Iran on Israel would send dozens of Israeli and probably American nukes off toward Iran, utterly destroying it. Imadinnerjacket doesn't want to be radioactive dust anymore than anyone else does.
Besides all US intelligence agencies concurred in 2007 and 2009 that Iran has no nuclear weapons program. Iran is a signatory to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and is currently in full compliance with IAEA inspections.
Cheeky I just ROFLMAO at your comments. Keep them coming and don't let up on the mentally deranged conspiracy theorists who somehow get to post here on a FINANCIAL/INVESTMENT site. WTF.
Hold on, I think aliens are knocking at the front door.....
This article on Israel attacking Iran, just do it already.
Middle East has to stay in the news, front and center with all their BS is getting annoying and I am sure they will drag this "attack" threat out for the next 20 years just to keep us all on edge. WTF.
20 years? i will give it another year at the most....wake up the world is collapsing, changing....a new thing will come up from the fires....
Gimp could be right. This is the fifth year in a row in which late summer has seen a spate of "Israel v. Iran in a nuclear war" stories. Sure, the world is collapsing but maybe that's why TPTB gin up threats where no serious threat exists. Maybe the Iran v. Israel story is just a distraction from something else.
The report seems to presuppose that the Iranian government in some way, shape or form represents the people and interests of Iran. The fact of the matter is that the Iranian government is a corrupt oligarchy kept in power by hired thugs, and at least a significant number of said thugs are actually non-Iranian mercenaries (and thus have little compunction about shooting down Iranian demonstrators).
What would happen if Israel attacks Iran's nuclear program is one of those unknowable things - if the government of Iran is really made up of messianic screwballs, then they might try to lash back at Israel. If they are made up of crooks determined to maintain themselves in power, then they won't roll the dice on a war with Israel (crooks tend to only fight wars they are convinced they can win at minimal cost).
It is no one's interest - least of all the interest of the Iranian people - that Iran should obtain nuclear weapons. Iran faces no threat which requires a nuclear deterrant. Israel, on the other hand, would be killed for good if Irann obtained merely three nuclear weapons and used them against Israel. Whatever else one wishes to say about Israel, no nation faced with such a threat takes it calmly. If we here in the United States don't stop the Iranian nuclear program, then Israel will simply have to.
Mark,
I agree w/ your assessment these nutjobs do not represent the Iranian peoples as a whole, or anywhere close to it.
They are ruled by MADMEN, and the RELIGIOUS Ayatollahs(even some of them), fear Ackmadmanjagoff.)...........they know he's OFF the chain, and he's dead ass serious about the 12th Imam, and Prophecy...............
I'm still too scared of Sadam Hussein and his Weapons of Mass Destruction to even think about Iran. If that Iran thing gets too scary, you're welcome to join me under the bed where we can close our eyes, stuff our ears and never have to worry about Sadam again.
God bless America!
Perhaps this is how it all happens. Remember, never wound the king. All the mideast nations that hate and/or are scared of Iran, and Israel put 100 nuke tipped cruise missiles on some old oil tanker off the Straits and in the middle of the night, send em, thereby turning Iran into a 10 million degree wasteland. No one might even find out who did it, and no one would mind the end of Iran, for good.
I like it. Short, sweet, oil prices go up for a while, only Iran people die, everyone else is fine. Where's the hole...
no one would mind the end of Iran
only Iran people die
I would prefer that millions of Iranians not die. So you are wrong when you say "no one would mind," just like you are wrong about so many other things.
The US is already in a long war and this would only expand the theatre.
"expand the theatre"
Connect the dots Neo.
Yes, it does sound stupid in after thought. I remember that's the terminology one those cnn experts used during the gulf war.
I had an Iranian roommate in college, he was a decent guy.
Don't judge the people by their idiot leaders.
Hopey, Changey, Hopey, Changey
"Don't judge the people by their idiot leaders. "
It's a nice wish Gimp. Real nice.
AIPAC don't. Everything Israel does is right and godly. Pretty much by definition. And they can tickle a US president's balls like I don't know what.
Vice President of the US sharing his affiliation with Zionists.
". . . you don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist. I am a Zionist."
http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/joe-biden-i-am-a-zionist/
just so we're all clear.
And here I thought Biden was too stupid to keep his mouth shut...LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZmO80dLfE
Here's Biden saying the quote above.
I wish I had not seen it.
I am not Chumbawumba.
Me neither!
That's because Chumbawumba is no more. Is it just me or is something amiss around ZH? A month ago, a thread like this would have generated at least over 200 hits by now, with all of the incivility and foaming at the mouth such topics generate. Hey Tylers and Marla, did you go on a banning binge? Chumbawumba appears to have been capped. Where's Adam? Hmmm... reading too much ZH does make you a bit suspiscious you know.
"One wonders how many Ph.D. were consulted in the preparation of this report."
Pre-emptive attacks on bloggers disputing this view in 5-4-3-2...
"Oxford believes Iran's retaliation would include withdrawing from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty"
No more strongly worded statements?
In other news around the world involving known mushroom cloud capability;
India: Pakistan spy agency executed Mumbai attacks(AP) – 9 hours ago
NEW DELHI — India has accused Pakistan's powerful spy agency of planning and executing the 2008 Mumbai attacks, in the strongest and most specific allegation of Islamabad's involvement in the assault from a top official.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i_THH84S9bUIhGGUr1Hqcm...
Now this looks like a big effing deal to me...with apologies for plagerizing Biden.
Nmwen,
The Indo-Pak diplomatic back and forth is plain distraction. The real players know who did what.
Both pawn nations. Mere actors, puppets, marionettes.... you know what I mean.
The rest of these "statements", "proofs" etc. are public Kabuki.
Those who know don't say, those who say, usually don't know. Jack!
ORI
htp://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
"The Indo-Pak diplomatic back and forth is plain distraction. The real players know who did what."
Well yeah, those intercepted radio transmissions sure helped.
Who was it the Jews or the Virginians this time? ;-)
Under the Symington Amendment, the USA is forbidden from giving any aid to any country which has nuclear weapons but refuses to sign the NPT.
The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 was amended by the Symington Amendment (Section 669 of the FAA) in 1976. It banned U.S. economic, and military assistance, and export credits to countries that deliver or receive, acquire or transfer nuclear enrichment technology when they do not comply with IAEA regulations and inspections. This provision, as amended, is now contained in Section 101 of the Arms Export Control Act (AECA).
AECA Section 101
Therefore, the 3 billion dollars given EVERY YEAR to Israel and weapons is illegal under USA law.
And it's been almost a hundred years since the fed.gov was restrained by law. Why should breaking this one make a difference to them?
None, but the efforts of many millions of Americans to unite for honesty and truth.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Agreed.
de-junked for truth.
and +++ for courage to tell it.
Many thanks, yet as i see it the problem is many are confusing the Jewish faith with Zionists. Please allow me to explain.
There are many in Israel right now who are not happy with what is going on. This includes common residents all the way up to various members of the government and, of course, on the religious side many Rabbis.
Think of it, very loosely translated per se and in a sense, to the many Americans who wanted out of the Vietnam war. The then current leadership wanted war and were heck-bent at virtually forcing their citizens of a certain age group/qualifications to sign up for military duty and kill others no matter what these forcibly enrolled military soldiers true belief(s) were. Please remember that in Israel you are obligated to join the military at a certain age/qualification and, thus, subjected to following orders or face the consequences. Of course murder is murder no matter how one tried to justify and rationalize it.
Hopefully this makes sense as many people in Israel are not happy with Netanyahu and his regime he has been inflicting against the citizens within the State of Israel.
Of course ZH'ers can feel free to see Wiki, though there is far more to the story of course than what is 'allowed' on Wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism
PS: Am Jewish and in fact come from very well educated Kohen lineage/bloodline (the uppermost 'tribe' within the religion).
REMEMBER: The truth never changes over time/history, though many may try to rewrite it to benefit their own means and desire(s).
PS: And if some AIPAC member decides to call me 'a self-hating Jew', they are barking up the wrong olive branch.
thanks again MarketTruth, there is integrity in your posts here.
I agree that not everyone differentiates between those of Jewish heritage or faith, and those who are aligned with Zionists. . . I have long time friends who are of the first category, and they in no way are supportive of the goals of the latter. . .
just like there are nutter fundamentalists in the Christian community here in amrka, and Islamic faithful worldwide who have no desire for violence. . . shallow thinking in stereotypes makes the world simple, and easy to destroy - when in fact reality is infinitely complex and interconnected. . .and will outlive our witnessing the current "page". . .
peace.
That’s it! MarketTruth. That's the reason Israel refuses to admit officially that she has nuclear weapons. Because the Congress would be forced to change the Symington Amendment and risk a national debate on the issue.
It’s has been established for years that Israel has been building a formidable nuclear arsenal. Jane's Intelligence Review, the foremost authority on military hardware, continually revises its estimates upward concerning the number of nuclear warheads Israel possesses. (In 1997, the London-based Jane's also estimated "that the Israeli arsenal may contain as many as 400 nuclear weapons with a total combined yield of 50 megatons." The Jericho is believed to have a 3,000-mile range and carry a payload of just under 1 ton, easily enough to accommodate even a hydrogen bomb, et cetera.)
Iran, a signatory of the NPT has an official record of zero nuclear weapons, and no established evidence of weapons preparation.
Ahhhhhh
"to any country which the President determines delivers nuclear enrichment equipment, materials, or technology to any other country on or after August 4, 1977, or receives such equipment, materials, or technology from any other country on or after August 4, 1977, unless before such delivery"
1977
So does it apply or not?
As best i can tell, it does apply and this is why BHO refuses to come outright and say he knows Israel has nuclear weapons. Helen Thomas' very first question to BHO during his first press conference as President asked this exact question. "Do you know of any country in the Middle East that has nuclear weapons?" -- Helen Thomas
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVGWdLsAoBA
Note BHO's answer in the above video and how he refuses to provide an answer that names names. BHO does not need to speculate, the USA knows for fact Israel has nuclear weapons. This is why Israel is so heck bent to not joining the NPT and anytime this subject is brough up Israel then usually leaves and/or refuses to attend a conference/meeting.
MarketTruth - lawmakers don't abide by the laws of the land they are just for the proletariat.
You missed the part about MarketTruth being a Jew hater.
LOL! AIPAC has taught you well.
BTW, did you see the hundreds of Hasidic Jews marching in Washington DC against Netanyahu's Zionist regime last week?
Wow those guys can party. And the breadth of *ideas* they have! Struggling for a word to describe it...
*Open*
No hang on...
*Brilliant*
Those cats are brilliant. They know and respect other cultures - they've travelled a fair bit, read well, have some new ideas about where mankind (all of us *NOT* just those guys!) should be going. Learnt a lot. They couldn't give a rats ass about money and land. Cool.
It's not the Jews!!!...it's the Virginians...it's those damn Virginian's...look even they wore wigs, what more do you need to know...LOL.
No wait, wait...it's the Mexicans...yeah that's it...they're everywhere...they're in my head...they're under my bed...they even call themselves Ted!!!!...ROTFL.
Critic of Israel = Jew Hater = Nazi Germany
Simples - surely?
A little substance besides blind paranoia would be good.
There's a Red under my bed...LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBbAZVw3_7A
Great track m8! The Kinks are reliably mint.
Nah take all my banter as it is meant - any religious nutters are fair game in my book - christian, jewish, muslim, hindu, shintoist, mormon, plymouth-brethren, tom cruise. All safely as closed, desperate and mad as bat-shit.
The Curtis....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZwMs2fLoVE
agree on the bat-shit crazy list, & lol at tom cruise. . .
if you have to hide behind the skirts of an old bearded guy to profess your "beliefs," they're obviously not all that plausible to begin with.
The part I liked the best was when the writer decided what targets Israel would hit. Maybe he got lost on the 200 warheads thing. It would take only a few nuclear warheads to put Iran to sleep for a long time. And them dumb old Jews, they would let the entire Iranian military live and not pound their equipment into dust. You know that religious guru they have, he will still get to sleep in any of his 4 houses. Yes sir, them dumb old Jews would only go after the worthless stuff.
The biggest fear in this story appears not to be what could happen if the attack does occur. The biggest fear appears to be that the Jews could be successful in carrying out the attack.
They will not use Nukes....well....I can't imagine that they would.
I doubt it. Internal dissent would bubble over and topple the Iranian regime. There is no way they could wage war, develop nuclear weapons and maintain domestic peace.
nice thread.
here's hoping all you calling for attacking Iran and the people, yes, people living in that country, enlist.
'cause otherwise, y'know, it's like when the old fucks in power send out soldiers to die on their behalf, just to protect the interests of the elite.
one would hope for better thinking here, but then again, maybe not.
No wonder my Anti Virus had been going nutty!
Must Stop Clicking on the Wells Fargo Ad!
Well, this is certainly thought-provoking.
"Of Mosques and Men"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxFzFIDbKpg&feature=player_embedded#!
The Narrator: In the running for biggest douche in the universe.
Yes. Interesting message. Douchebag messenger.
With half of the hijackers still alive, it is hard to label them "a group of terrorists"...yes the guys from the Florida cell were involved (these men who failed their flight simulator tests because they were too busy smoking crack and getting drunk at strip clubs), yes they are terrorists, but we must get the numbers right, only half of these men were on the planes, there were not "15" (the paper passport for example....the one found in the ashes...the passport's name sake is alive-and by the way, where were the red boxes? If a passport can survive the inferno, where are the red boxes?).
A random group of Muslims building a Mosque near the WTC site is a coincidence, not a statement. Then he uses strawman arguments about the Kabba and the Holy Mount. So....what? Thats what mother fuckers do! They conquer, and then rub it in everybody's face! But some random Mosque near by the WTC is suppossed to be a show of power? And I am the conspiracy theorist???
Shit, Jimi, I didn't mean to get you all worked up. Just thought it was an interesting point of view that I had not, up until now, considered re the WTC mosque (which I must admit is a ridiculously fucked example of Political Correctness gone wild).
I'm with you Turd.....
I do understand that the debate is trite (Religious based debates are trite).....
My one button is 9/11...my one red button.
Oh, and being junked for calling support levels ;)
Maybe your buddy Nabil Kareshi knew something you refused to believe.
Once Iran gets the bomb, there will be only short wars.
Iran is too big for Israel to deal with. They have their hands full with Hamas and Hezbollah. Demographics being what they are, Israelis would be better off coming to some sort of joint state solution with the Palestinians, with Jeruselum a joint capital. International troops throughout the country keeping the peace. Could be win win. Time to think outside the box.
Why did no one mention the GOD, the LORD, the CREATOR of this world ? Who else can do it ?
Who else can broke two of the largest US investment banks IN ONE DAY, and the same day to broke the largest world insurer - the day of 15-th of September 2008 ?
Why did no one ask each other 'What is our sin before the face of the CREATOR ?'
As no one ask, I will explain this mess, and I will tell You why:
States of America, you deserve it. You deserve the pain that You will feel today and You will feel next years.
States of America, here the shortest list of Your crimes before the face of GOD:
1. Your oil idolatry; oil's and oil products' pollution of the Earth. Oil is everywhere: in markets, in news, in politics, in economics, in internal and foreign policy of every government in the world. States of America, you made oil a matter of wealth, a tool of greed and a tool of corruption, a tool of bribing and a tool of sin.
2. Your computer idolatry; youn...(Read more of this comment)g men from all over the world are waiting of new processor, waiting for 'powerful' video chips to bring them into the distorted world of illusions
of computer 'games'. It is no more 'games' when young men kill others as a result of 'gaming'. And now You open in Israel the largest fabric of golden idolatry processors in the world, Fab28.
3. Your car idolatry. You reverse the odinary tool of transportation into the army of iron monsters, who steal million human lives each year arount the earth. These monsters are inhabitants of the oil. The other inhabitants of Your sinful oil are: tanks, aircrafts and rockets.
4. Your distortion of the meaning of LAW. Your 8000 pages of what you call 'tax law' is more sinful, is more idiotic than pharisees' interpretation of GOD's law 2000 years ago in Jerusalem. Your 'tax code' is more sinful than ancient pagan Rome empire's taxation with 200 taxes.
5. Your distortion of human rights last decades. States of America, you WERE the union of defendants of human rights. No more. You TWICE elected for leadership the person who is the liar, thief and who ruined human rights in your country and other countries.
At this moment, when God decided to make You start bear punishment for these and other crimes, is the same moment when GOD decided to make modern Israel bear punishment for it's crimes before HIM. The court, which make a decision to exile 'israelitos'
Read more: Ultimate Cost of Bailout Could Be Capitalism - Tools - Comments - SmartMoney.com http://www.smartmoney.com/comments/?EntryID=23950&EntryType=SMStory#loginform#ixzz0tip9EuObfrom HOLY LAND, already completed. Modern state of Israel started from 'Balfour declaration' and this modern Israel recently ended with the court's verdict on 'case of Isabella Belfer'.
The highest court of Israel BAGAZ approved a decision when absolutely innocent 70-years old woman, doctor, grandmother was found 'guilty' of transferring her daughter and grand daughter from Israel to Russia.
The israelitos have been WARNED in april 2008 about all their crimes and about the case of Isabella Belfer.
The 'guilty' decision of high court of Israel was declared in the morning of 15-th of September 2008. It was not the verdict to Isabella Belfer, it was a verdict to modern Israel, it was a verdict to its justice system. And ACCORDINGLY the same day, for the same reason You, Sates of America become GUILTY for your long support of the
anti-human racist modern state of Israel.
Now States of America you will see the exile of israelitos from the HOLY LAND, You will see the falling of their relatives in the States of America - your bankers, and at the same time You will bear punishment for Your own sins before the face of GOD.
States of America, You deserve it. It is LORD's JUSTICE on all your crimes.
It's Socialism that is dying; artificial controls attempting to stifle nature. Capitalism is essence; it is the state of nature.
Are We Running Out of Other People's Money? What Happens Now?
agressive war is the cause of our financial indebtedness and by god it will be our way out.
In the first months of the Iraq occupation in 2003 the 2000 strong Chalabi militia (e.g., death squads) recruited, financed and trained by SIAC (CIAs backward - geddit?) in 2002 were used to slaughter thousands of professors, intellectuals and lawyers in Iraq, decimating the ranks of middle class intelligensia that might have cogently and peacefully have objected to Chalabi's rule as a US sock puppet. Those who weren't killed, fled as refugees.
This killing off of the local intelligensia - blamed in the media on sectarian violence - was critical to achieving the political paralysis that has enabled the occupation to persist for so long with so little effective, organised opposition. No doubt it is the template for Iran.
Killing the intelligensia chills academic and political discourse for at least a generation, and sows the confusion that allows tyranny to govern most effectively. Whether that tyranny will be one controlled by the Iranian religious elite or US/Israeli sock puppets will determine whether such a long war achieves strategic objectives.
My view has always been that neither China nor Russia will countenance a long occupation of Iran by the USA. They will use Gates' own innovative strategy of recruiting and financing the Mujaheddin and Taliban to undermine US dominance and control in the region until the USA bankrupts itself in the next decade as the USSR did in the 1980s.
Nothing that hasn't been done before - and guess by whom:
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Solzhenitsyn-200...
I feel bad for the people of Iran. They have no more effective way of changing their government than I do of changing mine. We basically have to live with the results of their actions. I may live or die based on how other feel about my government even though it is beyond my control - and so will they. I've known a few Iranians living here in the US. The best way they demonstrated they were reasonable people was they had gotten out of Iran. One lady never told people she was Iranian - she always refered to herself as Persian.
The Isrealis have enough nukes to remove all significant populations centers in Iran. I have no idea if they have the will to do it. However if they do so it will remove over half the population and all the modern infrastucture. The secret underground nuke factories will produce nothing if there is no supporting society above ground. Removing all but farmers and goat herders would settle the matter.
There might be legal precedent! Of course, Landsnatching . . . land, land, Land, see Snatch. Ah, Hailie vs. United Sates. Hailie: 7, United States: nothing. You see, it can be done!
This analysis by the Oxford Group is very "light and airy-fairy".
A better attempt to determine what would really happen is presented below.
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/reports/2010/02_iran_israel_st...
Would some NYC=based ZH-er please comment on this:
As warned about for some time... EURUSD daily chart is bullish.
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This report is a rosy, BEST CASE SCENARIO
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