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It's summer. The nude beaches along the Baltic are packed, as are the septums of the Germans, Austrians, and Dutch frying in the Ibiza sun. A fatal flaw of some EU watcher analysis is the assumption that the EU operates on democratic principles... NOT
interesting what if scenario... In particular I like domino "11"
Europe's Banks Rocked
Europe's banks are big holders of Greek debt. They have something like $53 billion outstanding. France, Germany and the U.K. are the most exposed.
"If bondholders were required to take a 40 percent 'haircut'—a figure thrown up by many analysts—this would translate to losses in the order of €15.6 billion," or $22 billion, according to one report.
Well, we know how that will be "fixed"-- the European banks will phone their favorite friend, Uncle Ben Bernanke, who'll wire over $22.2 billion in Miki Maus Money to make them whole, c/o the FRBNY (the extra $200 million is a nice tip for their trouble.....)
Any solution for Greece must also apply to the other PIIGS
There isn't enough credibility in the Euro system to cover those obligations...
Yes... all PIIGS/counterparties will have their turn at the Fed trough... and the ECB can continue their faux-hard money posturing....
So if Greece was booted out of the EU wouldnt you still have the debt problem and potential meltdown. Dear banks can you say workout.
Scary part is that fascists like Wilders use the crisis to drive their agenda.
Anyone seen the hateful movie created by Meneer Wilders.
You know the end is near when truth becomes hate.. Read Wilders speech to the kangaroo court that was trying him for hate crimes.. Fascist I do not think so..
did you watch the movie he produced, not the slick free speech performance
Sounds like you are the Fascist, or maybe member of the Muslim Brotherhood? Stone any women today?
Well Djirk, I sure don't want to be condemned by you (and your awesome moral authority) so maybe I should do something politically correct and non-fascist to avoid that. Something you wouldn't dream of criticising.
Like perhaps dragging a woman who wants to learn how to read or drive a car to the next football field and shoot her in the back of the head with an AK47? Or perhaps force some 8 year old girl to marry an old pervert?
Djirk ... fuck you and your PC fascist bullshit. Get lost.
Yeah I got my facts confused, I heard they tie gay people up to the back of cars and drag them until death....also the women are so poor and high on drugs they put their newborn kids in dumspters....oh wait that is the USofA.
Exactly, you guys drank the kool aid, all Muslims eat their children and kill any non muslim on site......or is it the extreme few, who politicians use to scare you into getting their way.
You are right though Wilders is not a facist. I was forecasting.....nationalist, xenophobe, blamed an entire religious race on his countrys problems.....sound familiar.
OK OK there is a long way to go until Muslim women reach the status of western women, who can only make reservations.
Y all been workin on Maggies Farm too long
SoNH80, RE "the assumption that the EU operates on democratic principles... NOT"
Does the U.S.?
No, of course not.
I don't understand why they are so hesitant about reissuing the Drachma.
God forbid billionaire Hedge Fund Hyenas would take a tiny haircut.
Are these governments really that captured by these jackals?
They can't afford a setback in the Globalization, remember 1st unify Europe than the North American Union than the World
This is not about money or profit, it's about world Domination
It is really about people spending more than they earn. The crack addict is equally to blame as the crack dealer.
Considering all the time and money spent - AI reply routines should be less dichotomous.
They know the addict will give up family, friends, property, and self respect to get another fix.
Question is are the citizens or the people in charge addicted to the debt.
used care salesman?
Technically, there would not be any crack addicts if there were never any crack dealers, Right?!? Yeah, I rest my case...
+1 Bingo. We have a winner! "World Domination by the banking cartels". That is what this is all about, why Greece MUST stay in the Euro, why Greece must be bailed out. I mean the European banks must be bailed out. No haircuts. Bankers make the decissions, the people pay the price, and governments respond to the banker's demands not the people's. It as plain as day what this is all about.
Of cause it is, its simple, remember 1933, Reichstag in Berlin was burning and the Nazis made "protection laws". 2011 Greece is fiscaly burning and they introduce a "Package of six legislative proposals" about austerity by force from Brussels, economic governance.
If they tptb have fiscal control over Europe on of the final steps is taken.
This is the old strategy of tension game, translated into financial markets.
Now think again about Lehman, where the bailout powerplay began... ;)
If they tptb have fiscal control over Europe on of the final steps is taken.
Transfer of taxation power from nations to European supra national structure is one objective.
Dont know if it will be reached with Greece though. They might prefer to sacrifice Greece in order to build up on fear, showing what can happen and making transfer of taxation power an acceptable option.
The greeks would have to live within their means and could not run a budget deficit if they went back to the drachma. No one would lend them money. they are already shut out of the debt market.
Iceland is back in the world debt market and successful. But then Iceland is a bit different than Greece. A nation of hard workers who pay their taxes versus? Greece!
Iceland didn't default; they just let their banking system crash.
The sky didn't fall, last I checked.
The funds, banks, and vicariously, the German people, have been subsidizing Greece since their accession to the EU. They were expecting a coupon back on their "investment." It ain't gonna happen.
Everyone is expecting their money to make money by the principle of economic growth in the aggregate. That growth is no longer occurring.
Before the days of growth and banking, you grew what you needed to eat for the entire year. Stockpiling grains did not produce magic compound interest and more grain. This is the future. The only people earning returns now are doing so via inflation and leverage.
No. Sovereign countries do NOT have to borrow money from private corporations. That is a meme created by the bankers. Sovereign countries can print money - without debt and without interest.
Repudiate the odious debt.
If the Greeks were smart they would:
-Throw out their Cleptoticians
-"Right Size" their Euro based bonds (coining my own cool new term for default)
-Pull-out of the EU
-Reinstate a gold-backed Drachma
Agree. Why would it be so complicated to kick Greece out of the Eurozone as stated in the article.They (Greek politicians) have broken almost every rule,used every loophole and as it seems conspired with the squid and others to defraud.
Let them go.It´s for the best for all sides.
The Greeks (people and possibly the military) will then take things into their own hands and find proper decorations for the lampposts around Syntagma square.
Because the arrogant clowns who designed the EU & Euro didn't think it was possible a member State could go bankrupt or would ever desire to leave to NWO shithole they were dreaming up, so they never developed appropriate contingency plans and mechanisms.
If Greece leaves it needs to leave the EU not just the Eurozone.
UR, RE "the arrogant clowns who designed the EU & Euro didn't think it was possible a member State could go bankrupt or would ever desire to leave to NWO shithole they were dreaming up, so they never developed appropriate contingency plans and mechanisms. If Greece leaves it needs to leave the EU not just the Eurozone."
As opposed to the US Globa-Corp-Fi-Hegemon-Wall-Street-PentaGun genious oligarchs, who gave rise to China and death to US working/middle class, and who similarly cannot envision that any US state will ever desire to leave The US HomeLand Fascist Federation?
Watch California next month.
Watch US crumble over the next 12 months.
If they earnestly want to hang their politicians(bankers and other assorted ...people) it´d good to leave the EU since capital punishment is outlawed under EU law.
Look at it this way. They take a break...a hiatus...a transition time ....and then do what they need to do.This without being harangued by the EU parliament OR bombed by the U.S.
Biggest problem they have is to clean house without upsetting The Squid ....so not to get bombed when they default and cause all thosed CDS to burn a hole in th squids pocket.
and just think how cheap their olive oil and tourism would be with the reinstated drachma. its a win win for the greeks.
Appeasing their Bankster Overlords is all the political/bureaucratic minions know.
“It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere.”- Voltaire
AMERICA: A "De-constructed Third World Nation-State" -International Banking Cartel Vs. The People
XLF just turned green after being red all morning after Citi downgraded a bunch of banks.
CRB Index didn't crash like I thought it would.
Might be a reversal day today.
If you listened to me you'd fade yourself. Learn from George Costanza RT , youd make a killing.
I make the best decisions when I fade myself!
Will SPY gap down under the 200-day Monday morning?
Will the CRB Index fall apart?
Gap up in the USDX to break out over the previous highs?
10-yr. yield collapse to 2.90%?
Yep, sure feels like it.
Bears get ready to rumble!!!!
Greek parliaments must pass the vote of 'no confidence' in their government.
Can you hear that? Listen carefully.
Its a whole chorus of eurotard politicians fiddling whilst the Continent burns.
Powder to the eyes: people calling for an option they do not have in order to portray themselves for what they are not.
Here's their propagandist scenario:
If Greece is maintained in EU, it will be against people who want to throw Greece out (this option does not exist) so in the end, this victory will be a great display of European solidarity (which is only an illusion, as Greece staying in Europe is only the result of the impossibility of kicking it out)
Please don't let it be misconstrued that I do not totally disagree!
With Greece / without Greece doesn't matter a hill of beans. The bonds are the issue. Banksters win again bitchez!
banksters and the usury clan only have primacy absent time of war.
Germany is going to figure out that if they really want their money back from Greece, they will have to go take it.
These bullshit liberal "rules" that people cling to aren't worth dick.
Look at Turkey they are in lot better shape than the PIGS ... the PIGS should get out the Euro currency ...when UK can be part of Euro without the Euro Currency why not the PIGS?
Indeed! Turkish growth is impressive. They are fools if they try and get into the stupid Euro club.
First Turkey must qualify (democracy/free press) to join EU. Later, to join Euro.
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