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Paul Ryan Responds To "Gang Of Six" "Bipartisan" "Deficit-Cutting" "Plan"

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When we presented the Gang of Six joke of a deficit-cutting "plan" we called it a "talking point bulletin full of ridiculous fluff with nothing substantial." It appears that at least Paul Ryan seems to agree: "The plan is not a budget.  It is a set of talking points and graphs
that outlines an ambitious proposal that has serious flaws but also the
potential for worthwhile budget and tax reforms." The Wisconsin Congressman has just released a much needed follow up to the 4 page chart book (disclosed previously here), which confirms that the "Compromise" plan is DOA in the Congress.... 48 hours away from D-Day: "The following analysis
examines these problems, raises questions about the lack of detail in
the plan, and notes the areas where there is potential to make progress
on spending restraint and tax reform."


The Gang of Six Budget Effort
Problems, Questions and the Potential for Promising Reforms

Earlier today, a group of U.S. Senators (“Gang of Six”) released “A Bipartisan Plan to Reduce Our Nation’s Deficits.” 
The plan is not a budget.  It is a set of talking points and graphs
that outlines an ambitious proposal that has serious flaws but also the
potential for worthwhile budget and tax reforms.  The following analysis
examines these problems, raises questions about the lack of detail in
the plan, and notes the areas where there is potential to make progress
on spending restraint and tax reform.

Of note, in response to release of the Gang of Six plan, House Budget
Committee Chairman Paul Ryan issued the following statement:

“The proposal put forward by a group of seven senators today is a
useful addition to the budget debate.  I share the frustration that
these senators appear to have with the U.S. Senate’s inability to pass a
budget in over 800 days.  While the proposal lacks detail in many
respects, it includes some reforms that could help put our country on a
sounder fiscal footing.  Most importantly, it reflects a bipartisan
recognition that lower tax rates are essential to help spur economic
growth.  Unfortunately, it increases revenues while failing to seriously
address exploding federal spending on health care, which is the primary
driver of our debt.  There are also serious concerns that the
proposal’s substance on spending falls far short of what is needed to
achieve the savings it claims.  Nevertheless, this effort serves as a
sign that we can work together on a bipartisan basis to make a serious
down payment now to avert the debt-fueled economic crisis before us.”



Heavy Reliance on Revenues.  The plan claims to increase
revenues by $1.2 trillion relative to a “plausible baseline.”   It also
claims to provide $1.5 trillion in tax relief relative to the CBO March
baseline.  The CBO baseline assumes the expiration of tax relief,
resulting in a $3.5 trillion revenue increase.  As a result, the plan
appears to include a $2 trillion revenue increase relative to a current policy baseline
If the $800 billion in tax increases from the new health care law are
included, the plan appears to increase revenues by $2.8 trillion,
without addressing unsustainable health care spending that is driving
our debt problems. 

Elusive Spending Restraint.  It is unclear how much the plan
achieves in spending savings.  Based on released documents, it appears
to primarily rely on cuts in the defense budget through $886 billion in
reductions from the President’s budget for “security programs.”[1] 

Lack of Entitlement Reform.  The plan does not address the
$1.4 trillion in spending expansions in the new health care law.  The
health care law increases eligibility for the Medicaid program by
one-third and creates a brand new health care entitlement.  It does not
appear to include reforms to the Medicare program.  While it appears to
pursue Social Security reform, it could end up creating barriers to
enactment of these reforms.  


Unspecified Savings Relative to What?  The plan is described
as savings relative to a “baseline.”  The plan appears to use three
different baselines for showing savings:  1) CBO’s current law March
baseline; 2) an undefined modification to that baseline (what it calls a
“plausible baseline”); and 3) the Fiscal Commission’s baseline.  It
does not provide annual spending and revenue totals by category, relying
instead on savings relative to three different baselines.  So, it is
unclear what exactly the spending and tax proposals are.

Where Does the Revenue Come From?  It sets a tall order for
tax reform with what appear to be conflicting assumptions: 1) raise $1.2
trillion in revenue; 2) repeal the alternative minimum tax at a cost of
$1.7 trillion; 3) lower tax rates to encourage economic growth (top
rate of no higher than 29%); 4) do not eliminate tax expenditures for
health care, charitable giving, homeownership, retirement, and
low-income workers and families (the largest of the tax expenditures);
5) raise $133 billion in revenue by 2021 for the highway trust fund
without raising gasoline taxes. 

Where Do Health Care Savings Come From?  It claims $117
billion in additional federal health care savings over 10 years by
assuming that health care spending per capita grows no faster than
economic growth (GDP) plus one percent.  The new health care law already
requires the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) to cut Medicare
spending growth per beneficiary to achieve this growth rate starting in
2020.  CBO currently projects that Medicare spending will stay within
that growth rate through 2021.[2]  Therefore, it is unclear how the savings are derived. 

Also, if there are savings to be achieved, there is no enforcement
mechanism for achieving them since the plan would “require action by
Congress and the President” to limit growth to these levels.  Current
law requires the President to submit a plan and Congress to enact
legislation to make additional savings in Medicare that the President
and Congress have ignored. 

Where are the Missing Mandatory Savings?  The plan lists $516
billion in mandatory savings for Committees to achieve (including
program integrity savings and savings from modifying the CPI), but then
claims $641 billion in mandatory savings, leaving $125 billion in
missing savings.

Pathway or Roadblocks to Social Security Reform?  While the
plan seems to be a well-intentioned effort to move Social Security
reform forward, it sets out procedures that could derail both Social
Security reform and additional spending savings called for in the plan. 
First, it does not allow a Social Security reform bill to proceed until
the Senate has gotten 60 votes to pass additional deficit reduction. 
Second, it blocks the additional deficit reduction bill if the Senate
does not get 60 votes to pass the Social Security bill.

Potential for Promising Reforms

Tax Reform.  It acknowledges the need for tax reform, proposes
a top rate of not more than 29% and as low as 23%.  It calls for the
reduction of the top corporate tax rate to at least 29% and as low as
23%.  It recognizes the current tax code’s complexity and high marginal
tax rates hinders economic and job growth.  It calls for the tax code to
be reformed to move to a territorial system.  It calls for any
unanticipated additional revenues from economic growth to be used to
lower tax rates or deficit reduction, and not used for higher spending. 
While a laudable proposal, it appears to have no mechanism to ensure
this result.   To achieve this objective would require, at a minimum, a
cap on total spending and ideally a cap on revenues as well. 

Spending Caps.  It proposes to reinstate statutory caps on
discretionary spending.  It also sets out a budget reconciliation
process for committees to achieve mandatory spending savings and if
those savings are not achieved, it calls for across-the-board spending

Threshold for Waivers of Spending Limits.  It increases the
number of votes necessary to waive the budget from three-fifths to
two-thirds in the Senate and appears to provide a new requirement that
the House gain two-thirds margin to waive spending limits.

Other Positive Signs:

  • It repeals the CLASS Act, a misguided proposal included in the new health care law.

  • It calls for medical malpractice reform.

  • It calls for reforming the current process for “emergency spending” (though the reforms are unspecified).

View as a PDF here.

In the security category the Gang of Six reduced the security category
by $886 billion.  Department of Defense (DOD) spending comprises
approximately 85% of the security category.  The Gang of Six also
proposes a firewall that requires this $886 billion is cut from security

[2] In his April 13th
budget framework, the President has proposed to require the IPAB to
reduce per beneficiary growth to GDP plus 0.5% of GDP beginning in 2018.


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Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:40 | 1475301 CPL
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Doesn't matter they are all getting all, I mean in a couple of days by another anon project.  This one...I'm a vulgar man and I find it disgusting on what all of them have done.


You will all be speechless, by promise I don't mean by speechless disgusted, by speechless you are all going for pitch forks and guns.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:44 | 1475315 Oh regional Indian
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holy Smoke Cpl. Say more Seymore!

Such tension.....


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:49 | 1475329 CPL
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Nope another anon has it under control with team Big Bertha.    It involves nukes but not in power generation.  Quick and rapid strike without anyone in the civil servant core of electorate involved in the decision..


Think Chernobyl and the complete rejuvenation of the landscape around it.  The animals survived, the trees grow and no humans bitching and complaining.


Anyone with a nuke has been studying the area for years and it is a template now, not a study case.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:09 | 1475381 cossack55
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I'm looking forward to it.  I grow impatient.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:24 | 1475430 CPL
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not for this one...theft and lying easy to handle.  This one, not so much.


Closer to batshit crazy with too much money and time on their hands.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 21:04 | 1483620 Hugh G Rection
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on second thought...


no comment

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:42 | 1475306 GOSPLAN HERO
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The USSR is now debt free!

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:25 | 1475403 Sudden Debt
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The Oligarchs will agree on you with that one.

But I still don't understand how their "democratic" system works...

But the Russians must be satisfied... at least their leaders always get reelected or one of their close friends.



Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:10 | 1475783 New_Meat
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dude-u gotta change your handle to "PROXIMATE DEBT".

not so sudden so much, but of course, the euro theater will in fact lead.

;-) so do it in anticipation; of course, you could just sign your posts "proxy"

just sayin'

- Ned

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:15 | 1475787 New_Meat
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Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:16 | 1475792 New_Meat
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.. fricken captcha

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:42 | 1475307 Oh regional Indian
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Is DeeDay 22nd July or 2nd August or not at all and this is just mere dis-traction for what is coming? Or is already here? How come the Fort Calhoun Story just vanished? What is being hidden? Right hand left hand?

Really a god time to pay attention to the fringes and the dark places.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:44 | 1475314 CPL
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That was an accident involving old tech that needing funding to keep running.  This is bigger.  Way bigger, to the point a 6 year old can understand bad things were done.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:58 | 1475353 Oh regional Indian
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Hmmmmmmm....sounds heavy. I hope we are ready.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:20 | 1475393 CPL
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We're not.  Pills or lead suits.  The understanding is all nukes are aimed into the countries themselves while others hide in bunkers.  Since all have automated defense systems all it would take is a lousy scud with a lot of gas to set them all off.


US nominated itself for the false flag since it makes them.  Many good anons were ignored as part of the civil service to obtain this information until they understood they didn't get a walk in place in the bunker.


It's all heresay otherwise just like Cairo having a revolution, Wheat supplies being 40% under the human need and corn/bees dying in fields.  yup, we properly shit in the sandbox and the reset button is easy in understand if you rule.


Around 18000 nukes in total.  Cherobyl is a good example of how bad things happen, yet life still flourishes.  But the powers that be don't understand the mating cycle of dogs, deer and bugs.  Anycase...doesn't matter enjoy my project on top of the cunt of NOTW for the next couple of days.  Big one is coming, all I can say is anyone that has a pair of nuts left in the government better lock it down and kill them all to the last child.


Again, a 6 year old is going to understand how amazingly how fucked up it is.  Sad thing is the mormons have sucked these peoples cocks for decades and they are first on the list for testing in Utah and the leaders there OFFERED THEM.


Haven't stopped shaking my head.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:41 | 1475467 ElvisDog
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CPL, what the holy hell are you talking about? You seem to be batshit crazy as all get out.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:45 | 1475473 Clay Hill
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I have to reserve judgement on his sanity...

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:36 | 1475566 CPL
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End of the month is when your mum has an opinion on the current situation that involves violence.  not kidding.  If I troll and I do.  This isn't it. 


Get ammo.


When it breaks and your mother tells you to kill evey last mother fucker.  you will, you not doubt, second guess or pass a second thought at it.  Not one.  It won't be for a piece of hopeful honesty, it will be for pure rage.  Anger is a weak human constant because it leaves nothing after it. 


once it's broke, giving money away for nothing will seems like a sutble afternoon tea in comparison while men can dance on hookers that charge 10k a wad in their filthy cunts. 


Trust me on this.  If you have ball minus tits, your mother will ask you do to one thing.  Kill them, and kill them all.  Because after anger is rage.  Rage has no end and it's coming.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:59 | 1475660 Vic Vinegar
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You posted a link today.  I clicked on it and saw Green Man with the twitter logo over his face.

That is all I know to be true.  What you have written above is par for the course on the interwebs daily. 

Not saying it's true or not.  Just saying this kind of stuff is said daily on the web.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:05 | 1475673 CPL
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Ummm, I don't post links...ever.  Ever.  Ask around ...well that's not true.  If I'm about to short something to death or back up a claim.  I've been a little busy busting open the whore industry that people invest into as civil servants.


Since you have an idea of the link please post it.


Anyone else seen me on here for a month?

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:08 | 1475681 Vic Vinegar
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Sorry dude I might have you confused on the links.  That may be my bad. 

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:14 | 1475694 CPL
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Thank you.  Now shut up and watch the in box.  If the FBI and CIA wanted a role of hero it's this one.  Or you can give it up to the Homoland Sec.


Mum dead or mum alive.  The enemy is in your gate next to you and isn't going to offer the handshake you thought he was.  There aren't enough spaces.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:17 | 1475701 CPL
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btw, nothing is being released until the date the project requires.


Hookers and money, no issue.  This one, we are mulling on, it's actually bad.  Really bad.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:27 | 1475721 CPL
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So if anyone is a project manager that has dealt with mass death versus near extinction I would LOVE to hear from you.


Love it....fuck me.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 02:39 | 1476268 Vic Vinegar
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Dude your comments were a real buzz-kill when I was catching up on episodes of Big Brother tonight.  I couldn't even focus on who was getting put up for eviction.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:10 | 1475674 CPL
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I suggest you ask your elders to how you are being turned into test subjects.


You are the first wave.  At least being Catholic I know my elders are a bunch of cross eyed pussies.  You are just going to accept the rape.


btw good luck with that.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:36 | 1475733 Vic Vinegar
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I gotta roll...will check back later.

At a bare minimum, thanks for bringing some spice to this thread.  And perhaps a thank you is in order as well for giving us a heads-up on our impending doom. 

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:07 | 1475777 CPL
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not our impending doom...just most of us.


no worries though, you are almost thorough the gate director.  You are not included in the plans.


Appearently not blue enough Brian.  Your middle name btw.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:22 | 1475781 CPL
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Eric is an awful name unless you have balls to do what needs to be done.  Most Eric's are sword swallowing cunts.


but by the end of the month it won't matter.  you aren't included anyway.  LOL  Bring up the bricks or shut up kid.   instead of throwing family out there,  DO YOUR FUCKING JOB DUMBASS.


Christ, Jesus would not stop PUKING on the shit done in his name.  Prove me a lier.  PLEASE DO.  Please prove me a lier that we won't be in removal mode, and your family is first to the surface.


Do you even know what you've been tested on?


is there any weird cancers that required any out of state resources?  Guess what?  It's part of it.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:37 | 1475981 CPL
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I'm guessing with the troll accounts then yes.  As mormon's guess which river you've been sold down.


The one without a paddle.   Only assholes I can abide are mormon assholes.  So guess what?  Life sucks and you were sold down that river unfortunately to become a template.


Again when life releases it.  Your own mother will demand you kill people.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:39 | 1475984 CPL
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btw run.  If your are reading this.  You don't get a suit case into Denver.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:51 | 1476018 Clay Hill
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CPL, thanks for the heads-up, but I'm covered.

Saw your comments in the other thread, Y2K put off to Ywhenever...

Right now they're running us on Oracle12, and i-fix32... what hiccups am I looking for as a sign to call out that day?

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 23:00 | 1476043 CPL
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Don't matter.  the old y2K patches that are rolling...who cares.  When it hits.  Don't claim that you work for the government.  You ARE long pig at that point.


You want to be bacon.  your problem kid.   I've wiped enough asses in my life.  Appearently it's not a problem.


Everything under control.  Eat a dick and good luck to some piece of ass that JUST moved from mum's basement on his first time job.  Couldn't quite keep a job otherwise.


Do you assholes rake turns for me to explain why you fuck up your mum's lives?


Seriously >  prove me different basement assholes.  Could not fight a bath tub battle with any of you.  Christ almighty...

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 01:13 | 1476055 Clay Hill
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Sorry mate, mummy's been gone a while an' left me running it.


I wanted to stick around for the show. 

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 23:26 | 1476088 Prometheus418
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Deus Irae?

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:00 | 1475356 CPL
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Christ they are still talking about taxes.


wow...cattle talking about how the master slaughters them and how little of a fuck is given.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:10 | 1475386 cossack55
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Its all they know. They are just actors, after all.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:50 | 1475634 CPL
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Wait for it...a lot of people are going to disappear or get caught, some will be thrown on MSM, others will be just removed from the human race.  Not sure which one yet.  Anon is a gamble at all times. 


All projects are handed in to the powers that be that aren't in the plan.  Nothing more vicious than a civil servant not included.  With the MSM currently eating the asshole that created the single voice (Foxnews, etc.) as desired...and there is more to come about that fucking pervert..we will pump it out.


Assange is not anonymous, never was.


My name Is Christopher Lynn and I am Anonymous.  I have worked in 31 government projects to somehow get retards that work in a government to do their job for 27 years.  Hasn't worked.  But it does not matter now at all.  There are other things to deal with like survival.


All I can say is run

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:10 | 1475688 Vic Vinegar
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All I can is you are making Oh Regional Indian very hot right now!

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:19 | 1475703 CPL
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All I can offer are hints.  I'm not allowed to say anything but hints.  Even then I've been told to shut up.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:21 | 1475706 CPL
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Well I've been given the idea to RUN.  That's it.  From the anons I've understood that involves staying away from populated areas.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:28 | 1475724 Vic Vinegar
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I'm supposed to fly into NYC on Monday.  Is that going to be a problem?

No sarc here: a) I have to live my life, provide for my family and b) there is what you are carrying on about.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:01 | 1475769 CPL
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not my problem.  If you are flying into a major center of people, I would run and enjoy an extended vacation.


Civil servant.


I can bet on the sun rising a year from now, it'll happen.  Asking any of us if you are running from the fright of the "fed".  Doesn't matter.  It's called one thing.  Due diligence when the governments acted all weird three years ago.


At first it was a couple of meetings...why?  Then more...never done.


All I can say is the mountains are in your future and anyone that can get behind one.



If you are in Europe.  Sorry game is over.  China.  Game is over.  India.  Game is over.


Picture the longest river and all the money you have.  Now picture never being part of that picture ever.  That's the future if you haven't got a placement in Denver.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:27 | 1475821 jdh2358
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Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:34 | 1475837 CPL
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no can buy a underground condo for yourselves and loved ones.  Show up with a lot of money, cash, no credit.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:13 | 1475931 CPL
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backyard mechanic build these....where the fuck is the weeping tile?


Well, as normal people lets pretend it's going to work.  LOL.


Drop it fuckers.  Drop anything you wish.  See you in hell.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:34 | 1475839 BeerWhisperer
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Wow you really don't beat around the bush do you? /sarc off. 

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:18 | 1475936 CPL
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Never.   Do your job or fuck off, the bad part is incoming, so get off your ass and move it kid.  Need a hand?


I dont' charge for humanity.  I offer what looks like a mean, smiley prick that will rip the smile off a politician.


This needs to be done fast if you are on the dark side.  Like yesterday fuckwad.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:23 | 1475942 CPL
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Call and I have an Anon select to help.  Kids WILL get the fuck out of the way.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:27 | 1475957 CPL
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In what universe would you have EVER met me?  Never unless you put it on Merx and I had to roll my eyes at you.


Get your shit in gear jackasses.  Shit to do.  People to save.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:49 | 1475963 CPL
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useless civil servants....useless.   Keep tap dancing and that last hour will seem more precious.


make it happen or we'll watch other assholes make "it" happen.  Don't need a director or their kids to watch it happen.


I'm getting the feeling people are now looking...and are being told to fuck off.  That's alright...I and others are moving away from the central target offered.


Keep it easy...enjoy your desk.  btw stop phoning me.  I'm on contract.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:48 | 1476010 Doyle Hargraves
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How about the Sierras? Sorry Denver is too far, the Sierras well easy trek with lots of cover!

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:53 | 1476024 CPL
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It was built and offered five years ago for good reason.   energy is available and water.  Why the sierras?   it's a flat plateau where the residents have to wander for water.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 23:15 | 1476048 Doyle Hargraves
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Well as I said Denver=too far. Too many logistical issues getting people there especially if the insiders already know the deal they will be swarming that place. Eastern Sierras have plenty of water that LA steals every day via aqueduct. Just want to know if it would be a safe place to be if this all happens as advertised? BTW I didn't junk you!

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 03:06 | 1476283 Oh regional Indian
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Hah! Vic, anyoen reading that would think I'm a doomer or some such! ;-)


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Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:32 | 1475833 CPL
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Done with it.


I've kept my imprint off the web.   I built it, hire a crew and make sure it works.  I'm not sure now.  i don't get my information from anyone but other oldfags.


one Anon in london dead...not the first one.  The second ass.  So.  i might as well gush and disappear without a nym and warn anyone in charge to run as well.  If it goes sunlight and crash bang, this is a months head start.


Somehow i doubt it will change fuck all warning the world.  Just run.  Run away.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 00:18 | 1476162 Prometheus418
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Gotta admit, you sound a little drunk.  That being said, I'm trying to puzzle this out, I recognize the pattern, if not the message.

If any of what you've posted above is legit, I get why you can't provide specifics, but any chance of GPS coordinates with radii of expected clear areas to run to?  Running without a destination doesn't do much good, and I might be set already.  Denver isn't going to happen- I won't be a mole-person, and will have to make do with the rabble.  Doubt that's a door I could open on short notice anyway.

If not, it'll be what it'll be.  I'm locked and loaded as best I can be- probably not enough, but that's life.  Us rednecks are kind of like cockroaches anyhow.  Gotta get some of us clear if we're going to kill them all, right?

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 00:31 | 1476183 Clay Hill
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He is drunk, or off his meds,... can't say he's not right though.

Denver... not in the club. The mole thing is do-able, just not on the timeline he's throwing out there. Takes a lot of chutzpah to pull off in secret, too.

good luck fellow cockroach.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 00:43 | 1476198 CD
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While CPL has in the past imbibed-and-posted, there is internal consistency (if more than a little cryptic style).

My ignorant guess is that here he is suggesting that (dot)gov personnel head for said hills, as their presence in the general population will be extremely detrimental to their health and general well-being as a result of the details of this wonderful 'final solution' plan being made public. The chaos/violence likely to emerge in densely populated areas will make it less than attractive for average folks as well, if/when societal order breaks down as a result.

Then again, if said solution is in place and is IMPLEMENTED, all bets are off for everyone.

Getting ample supply of various (heavier) metals and survival necessities has been on the agenda here for a while -- CPL's scenario just suggests a rapid implementation of whatever preps are still possible to make. As it happens, I am going travelling soon -- there are OTHER mountainous areas that can be explored, just in case.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 01:06 | 1476205 Clay Hill
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good luck mountianeering, CD.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 01:15 | 1476227 Doyle Hargraves
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Thats the key if the final solution is implemented all bets are off for everyone...

heavy metals (brass, lead, copper, gold, silver, All terrain emp proof vehicles)-check

secluded, rugged, mountainous area nearby-check

ambush points and game feeding areas set up-check

friends with most of the locals and like minded people in the a/o-check

probably still not enough, but if God is willing maybe we can weather it out.


Thu, 07/21/2011 - 02:06 | 1476251 AgShaman
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Maybe there is something to the rumor of a million plus requests for visas (escape pods) for govt. employees in the 'District of Corruption' as of late.

Who really cares anyhow?

These traitors deserve the guillotine.


Thu, 07/21/2011 - 01:17 | 1476197 Doyle Hargraves
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 Pattern is there message is garbled at best. Denver would be an idiot's idea to begin with. I am not on that A list. Sounds too crazy of ramblings not not to be legit. GPS coordinates with radii would be nice, but mountains shield from blast and fallout if the nukes are gonna fly. So if ya got some of the hightops around might be time for an end of the month vacation. Just hope you got some non solid state way to get around because EMP will make it impossible after that. Good luck y'all!

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:02 | 1475358 PY-129-20
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17 July 1944
Feldmarschall Rommel injured.

20 July 1944
Operation Walkuere - assassination attempt on Hitler

21 July 1944
Battle of Guam starts.

23 July 1944
The first KZ (concentration camp) is captured by the Red Army; Germans hastily evacuated everything and weren't able to destroy the evidence.

31 July
The tank battle of Avranches; Exupéry never returns from a reconnaissance flight.

The delegates deliberated upon and signed the Bretton Woods Agreements during the first three weeks of July 1944. (according to Wiki: "July 22 – The Bretton Woods Conference ends with various agreements signed." - )

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:43 | 1475312 mayhem_korner
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Nice of him to throw in some commendations.  The true read is he's called it a hollow vessel.

I'm beginning to think that the longer this thing bakes in the Congressional oven, the uglier it's going to be when it hatches.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:45 | 1475318 Cheesy Bastard
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 Strong, sweet tea

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:47 | 1475323 slaughterer
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These government leaders have no education in fiscal economics. Why is this deficit cutting "plan" being put together by them?

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:47 | 1475324 Long-John-Silver
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I'll actually be relieved when we awaken to the collapse so we can start over. RESET Bitchez!

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:13 | 1475396 cossack55
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You know, LJS, many of us here state that weekly.  Many of us here are growing very impatient, but the show must continue till the fat lady sings.  Anyone seen Kate Smith lately.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:34 | 1475458 Clay Hill
Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:49 | 1475328 Ghordius
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Note: territoriality of US Code, while very civilized (only Uncle Sam and the German Finance minister tax you wherever you are), could result in a massive exodus of highest income individuals out of the US...

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:50 | 1475333 Timmay
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The more complicated the "solution" the deeper the problem will be. Not increasing the debt ceiling IS the solution, it balances the budget immediately. Simple.

Default? Let's do it. It is going to happen someday, why not today? Screw all of these politicians, all of them. Spend what you take in taxes and let's see what kind of country we have. My bet it that it is a better one where people actually have a clue about what is going on because they PAY FOR IT every stinking day.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:14 | 1475399 cossack55
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Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:27 | 1475438 web bot
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Obama is a teleprompter and an academic.

He's never held a real job in his life. His lens of the world focuses on speeches and lots of privilege... something they give you at Harvard. We have an impractical idiot running the country.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 08:39 | 1476542 mayhem_korner
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Obama is a teleprompter and an academic.

+1.  He has a PhD in advanced teleprompter studies with a minor in sock puppetry.  Says so on his ivy league transcript.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:52 | 1475336 slaughterer
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Going to take more than two all-nighters to get this plan into shape.  We are going to default.  I am 99% sure of it.  

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:53 | 1475343 CPL
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Doesn't matter if you blow up the bank

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:07 | 1475922 sAusAge stroker
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CPL, not trying to be mean, but you seem hammered compared to posts in threads 1,2,3 weeks ago.  Normally I agree with your sentiment, but I have no idea what you're talking about. - sAusAge

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 10:21 | 1476974 Quixote
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Thought the same thing . . . your thread made some sense to me, but a lot of it didn't, then, today, this . . . "A group of computer hackers claims to have breached NATO security and accessed hordes of restricted material" . . . and CPL's narrative just got a bit scarier.  

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:02 | 1475361 Ghordius
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My money is on non- default. 99% sure, too.
Do you know how difficult it is for me dumb non-US resident to tell the presidents apart? Even with what the Italians call "nice built-in suntan?
Reagan did it, Obama will do it. The ceiling is made of paper.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:21 | 1475423 Sudden Debt
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They'll break it like all the other times in the past.

Question is if they'll put in a new one or not.

Will it be raised with 4 trillion or more.

How high will QE3 and 4 be.

Will QE4 require another increase in the debt ceiling



Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:36 | 1475601 JustPrintMoreDuh
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The debt ceiling will be raised, unless its not. 99% certain.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:53 | 1475341 max2205
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Easy. Freeze medical to hmos and Drs Cut defense. Eliminate TSA. CUT CUT CUT

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:53 | 1475342 AssFire
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Raise my taxes, I can still work less.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:55 | 1475345 Ghordius
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This little "from 23% to 29%" is soooooo near to a simple flat tax...

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 17:55 | 1475346 slaughterer
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Easy.  Sell Exxon and Apple to the Chinese.  

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:00 | 1475357 firefighter302
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Outstanding conclusions.

The "plan" is nothing but more illusions of cuts in the form of actual increased spending and taxation. 

Same old Socialist Obama and democrats.  More spending, more taxes and lies to hide the real effects of the policy. Which are debilitating debt and a climate of retarding business and jobs creation.

The taxation games to continue down the exact same path of spending and increasing debt and taxation is being exposed for what it is.  The exact path that got us to this point!

The same failures Obama, Reid, Pilosi and the Keynesian socialists have always supported. 

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:06 | 1475372 sodbuster
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The heck with the details- the Black Jesus and his Marxist buddies will let you know the details in about 6 months to a year.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:07 | 1475373 MillionDollarBonus_
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Many of the world's top economists, including Nobel Laureates Paul Krugman and Joseph Stiglitz have warned that cutting government spending could seriously de-rail the global economy. What these immature libertarians don't realise is that the economy is lacking aggregate demand. The ONLY way out of this is to keep pumping the system with liquidity so that people start SPENDING again. I can only hope that these silly libertarians wake up before they destroy the entire world economy. 

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:37 | 1475424 Clay Hill
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You can evade auto-junking by including a *sarc* when you post excellently satyrical commentary like that.

If you really mean it...

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:24 | 1475432 web bot
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Anytime you mention the name of Krugman, you need to include <sarc>...

If you look up his name in the ZeroHEdge dictionary, it means some not very nice stuff that I can't put down in words...

Anytime the name Krugman appears... the brain automatically shuts down into sleep mode.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:07 | 1475374 CrashisOptimistic
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Paul Ryan understands the budget.

But he needs to take the final step out of the darkside of politics and recognize that:


The deficit doesn't matter.  Tax increases don't matter.

NOTHING MATTERS BEYOND FY2012 SPENDING CUTS.  Everything else is measured from growth curves based on imagination.

We increased spending 1 Trillion dollars in 2009.  In just 1 year.  No one said it would be the end of the world.  But if you say cut FY2012 just 400 Billion you'll have hands waving over heads about end of the world stuff.

They are wrong.  CUT FY2012 SPENDING.  PERIOD.  If cubicles do not empty, you did not cut.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:59 | 1475516 cdskiller
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I stopped reading after "Paul Ryan understands the budget."

Paul Ryan doesn't even understand the words that come out of his mouth.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 09:07 | 1476654 RKDS
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Ain't that the truth.

Not a single solitary cent will be shaved from any program that's really squandering our tax money.  He'll just "reform" away all of the stuff middle class taxpayers benefit from.  All so he can hand even more money to foreigners, the wealthy, and other generational dependants.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:32 | 1475453 JLee2027
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Default appears to be inescapable. Thank God.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:29 | 1475827 Libertarians fo...
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Thank God?

If the United States defaults, why do you think the consequences will be so favorable?  Do you think about how the dominos fall, or do you just puke up libertarian talking points without having the slightest clue of the consequences?


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:53 | 1476023 espirit
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Not many understand the concept of "lights out", until it happens.

Dangerous situation.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 18:37 | 1475460 mynhair
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Ryan amazes me with the handle he has on the budget and OweblahmaDeath ramifications.  Excellent read.  Sadly, above the level of most posters here cuz it has no links to:


Thanks, McBags!

Wish one of these proposals would scrap this baseline shit.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 02:01 | 1476248 StychoKiller
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Aside from being total Bullsh!t Mr. Ryan, what do you think of the plan?

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:10 | 1475540 Quinvarius
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The gang of 6 plan sucks because the gang of six are members of congress and will not understand the problem until the system actually starts imploding.  They came up with talking points because that is all they can come up with until debtzilla shows them some symptoms.  Then they will only deal with the symptoms anyway.

Congress is full of idiots.  The best thing that will come out of this is that all the money they sold their souls for will become worthless.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:10 | 1475543 Jovil
Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:19 | 1475568 Juan Wild
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Gang of 311,808,595 vs Gang of 6. You better allow default fuckers.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:42 | 1475616 JustPrintMoreDuh
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indeed, because up until now those 311,808,595 have just been waiting for the right time to pounce into action.  Continiuing to hold breath .... 

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:32 | 1475592 gwar5
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I wish there were bipartisan support that would coalesce around Ryan's plan and go from there. But some influencial GOPers are jealous of him and it would be apostasy for any dems to do so.

Still, I think it will be the framework for post-2012 if things go as they appear, which is a new president and new senate. Nothing can be done with Obama in the way.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 19:38 | 1475607 mynhair
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"Nothing can be done with Obama in the way."

So true, so why prostrate oneself in front of the Apostate?  Only Coburn knows.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:08 | 1475680 karzai_luver
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Ryan's "plan" is a sham.


That you would endorse it means either you don't have a clue or 

you have not read the "plan".


Just the growth projections are bat shit crazy, only the magical unicorn shitter

can buy them and that's just for starters.

The dumbass rhetoric around this whole ceiling highlights the absolute

bumpkin mentality of the merican public.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 20:23 | 1475711 DaveyJones
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Imelda would be proud. The only pair they'll ever grow

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 21:13 | 1475790 bankruptcylawyer
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paul ryan chimes in to comment that no one need worry , the banks own the show, and they will make sure we don't default, and that, if we do default, it goes down according to their plans , so that the banks continue to own the government. 


i mean, imagine if we default right now how much cheaper it will be in the near future to buy off the senate and congress. and forget it, in addition to treasury secretary, anyone wanting to be president will have to be handpicked by goldman sachs. 

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 22:27 | 1475946 anynonmous
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If Suan Collins and Olympia Snow are behind the GangsterSix plan then it's good enough for me

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 08:54 | 1476614 Lazane
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US needs to drill, pump, collect, refine and distribute its own energy, it is why Russian debt has vanished and developing it's own domestic energy will do the same for America's wallow of debt, this can only happen if the "adult children" are removed from powers of decision making and adult children who are keeping our young men and woman fighting phantom terror wars for control of foreign oil. 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 12:47 | 1481273 bam_son
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