• asiablues
    03/20/2010 - 19:47
    My take on views expressed by Jim Rogers at a BBN interview on Mar. 18 about the recent currency and trade confrontation between the US and China, the Canadian loonie and the U.S. bond market.
  • Chopshop
    03/20/2010 - 04:48
    Phinance's phavorite political prisoner, Martin Armstrong, cautions that "the EU is in dire position", on the precipice of shattering. Since "debts will never be paid and interest expenditures are the greatest transfer of wealth in history ... Western society is falling apart ... If we do not act, civil unrest will explode. The current choice is DEFAULT or HIGHER TAXES & CIVIL UNREST ... Someone has to step forward to save us or we may be doomed. It's time to wake up for this is the future of our children and their children at stake. "
  • Econophile
    03/20/2010 - 00:41
    As promised, here is the complete article, "China's Fragile Economy, Its Housing Bubble, and What It Means To Us," in a downloadable PDF. You can download it, print it out, and read the entire piece at your leisure. The conclusions aren't encouraging, for them or us.

Paul Wilmott: "High-Frequency Trading May Increasingly Destabilize The Market"

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Paul Wilmott is a legend in quant circles: his website Wilmott.com, which Zero Hedge highly recommends to all readers for an in depth analysis on all things that are below the surface of the market, is one of the most popular resources dealing with the constantly changing topology of our increasingly more complex equity capital markets. Simply said, his opinion on matters in program and high-frequency trading is second to none.

Which is why we read his latest Op-Ed in the New York Times today, Hurrying Into The Next Panic, very carefully. His piece is a stunner - in summary, and in agreement with what Hedge discussed at length many months ago (we suggest readers familiarize themselves with this ZH piece as it is the one that started it all, and also explains partially our fascination with VWAP), Paul sees HFT as a force that is tantamount to what index arb and "dynamic portfolio insurance" was in the crash of 1987.

Thus the problem with the sudden popularity of high-frequency trading is that it may increasingly destabilize the market. Hedge funds won’t necessarily care whether the increased volatility causes stocks to rise or fall, as long as they can get in and out quickly with a profit. But the rest of the economy will care.

This argument goes to the real heart of the problem with HFT - the monopolization of liquidity provisioning, and the complicit nature of both exchanges and specific broker/dealers who are willing to usurp this "liquidity=volume" fallacy in exchange for perpetuating the $20+ billion revenue stream spread among a minute number of market participants. As such, Zero Hedge increasingly believes that what Goldman does on the NYSE (for example) is not so much an SEC issue (ignore the fact that the SEC is about 10 years behind the curve on this topic) but is in actuality an anti-trust concern.

Here is Zero Hedge's 2 cents: Christine Varney, forget about Google for one day and instead focus on what is easily the scariest, stealthiest, and potentially most expensive anti-trust issue in American society (and history) - that of HFT's increasingly monopolizing capital markets.

All this other talk about Flash frontrunning is for all intents and purposes merely window dressing (and not the best approach at that) - banning Flash, and leaving the other components of HFT untouched, would in fact be a big step back as it would merely enhance the strength of the New York Stock Exchange, and its symbiotic-parasitic partner Goldman Sachs would benefit even more if ECNs utilizing Flash and its variants such as Direct Edge and BATS are terminated: end result - concentrating even more power into a very limited number of players. 

Back to the Wilmott Op-Ed:

So, is trading faster than any human can react truly worrisome? The answers that come back from high-frequency proponents, also rather too quickly, are “No, we are adding liquidity to the market” or “It’s perfectly safe and it speeds up price discovery.” In other words, the traders say, the practice makes it easier for stocks to be bought and sold quickly across exchanges, and it more efficiently sets the value of shares.


Those responses disturb me. Whenever the reply to a complex question is a stock and unconsidered one, it makes me worry all the more. Leaving aside the question of whether or not liquidity is necessarily a great idea (perhaps not being able to get out of a trade might make people think twice before entering it), or whether there is such a thing as a price that must be discovered (just watch the price of unpopular goods fall in your local supermarket — that’s plenty fast enough for me), l want to address the question of whether high-frequency algorithm trading will distort the underlying markets and perhaps the economy.


It has been said that the October 1987 stock market crash was caused in part by something called dynamic portfolio insurance, another approach based on algorithms. Dynamic portfolio insurance is a way of protecting your portfolio of shares so that if the market falls you can limit your losses to an amount you stipulate in advance. As the market falls, you sell some shares. By the time the market falls by a certain amount, you will have closed all your positions so that you can lose no more money.


By 1987, however, the problem was the sheer number of people following the strategy and the market share that they collectively controlled. If a fall in the market leads to people selling according to some formula, and if there are enough of these people following the same algorithm, then it will lead to a further fall in the market, and a further wave of selling, and so on — until the Standard & Poor’s 500 index loses over 20 percent of its value in single day: Oct. 19, Black Monday. Dynamic portfolio insurance caused the very thing it was designed to protect against.


This is the sort of feedback that occurs between a popular strategy and the underlying market, with a long-lasting effect on the broader economy. A rise in price begets a rise. (Think bubbles.) And a fall begets a fall. (Think crashes.) Volatility rises and the market is destabilized. All that’s needed is for a large number of people to be following the same type of strategy. And if we’ve learned only one lesson from the recent financial crisis it is that people do like to copy each other when they see a profitable idea.

Zero Hedge could not agree more and we implore to carefully read the whole piece and consider all its implications. This is truly a topic that is critical to capital markets - if and when we have another 20% fall in the capital markets (especially now that people's faith in the system is on the edge every day), will likely turn away those few remaining retail players who still hope to make a living from speculating. The sad thing is that long-term buy and hold investors have already departed the market, as they have realized the traditional methods of approaching stock valuation such as fundamental and technical analysis have gone out of the window and been replaced by such arcane concepts as quant factors. 

As for those curious to investigate more of Wilmott's thoughts on the matter, we would like to point them to this specific entry in Paul's Blog "This is no longer funny." As this was written on March 10, 2008, it was eerily prophetic - I summarize several of Paul's key forward looking points here:

THERE WILL BE MORE ROGUE TRADERS: While people are compensated as they are, while management look the other way to let the ‘talent’ do whatever they like, while people mistake luck for ability, there will be people of weak character who take advantage of the system. The bar is currently at €5billion. There will be many happy to stay under that bar, it gives them some degree of anonymity when things go wrong. But that record will be broken.


GOOD SALESMEN WILL HOODWINK SMART PEOPLE: No matter what you or regulatory bodies or governments do we are all a pushover for the slick salesman.


CONVEXITY WILL BE MISSED: One of the more common reasons for losing money is assuming something to be known when it isn’t. Option theory tells us that convexity plus randomness equals value.


CORRELATION PRODUCTS WILL BLOW UP DRAMATICALLY: This means anything with more than one underlying, including CDOs. Stop trading these contracts in quantity this very minute. These contracts are lethal. If you must trade correlation then do it small and with a big margin for error. If you ignore this then I hope you don’t hurt anyone but yourself. (I am sometimes asked to do expert-witness work. If you blow up and hurt others, I am very happy to be against you in court.)


RISK MANAGEMENT WILL FAIL: Risk managers have no incentive to limit risk. If the traders don’t take risks and make money, the risk managers won’t make money.


VOLATILITY WILL INCREASE ENORMOUSLY AT TIMES FOR NO ECONOMIC REASON: Banks and hedge funds are in control of a ridiculous amount of the world’s wealth. They also trade irresponsibly large quantities of complex derivatives. They slavishly and unimaginatively copy each other, all holding similar positions. These contracts are then dynamically hedged by buying and selling shares according to mathematical formulae. This can and does exacerbate the volatility of the underlying. So from time to time expect to see wild market fluctuations for no economic reason other than people are blindly obeying some formula.


TOO MUCH MONEY WILL GO INTO TOO FEW PRODUCTS: If you want the biggest house in the neighbourhood, and today not tomorrow, you can only do it by betting OPM (other people’s money) big and undiversified. There are no incentives for spreading the money around responsibly.


MORE HEDGE FUNDS WILL COLLAPSE: You can always start a new one. Hell, start two at the same time, one buys, the other sells!


POLITICIANS AND GOVERNMENTS WILL REMAIN COMPLETELY IN THE DARK: Do you want to earn £50k p.a. working for the public sector, or £500k p.a. working for Goldman Sachs? Governments, who are supposed to set the rules, do not even know what the game is. They do not have the slightest clue about what happens in banks and hedge funds. Possibly, for the same reason, London will lose out to New York as a world financial centre.

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by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 08:40
#18072

Wilmott's issue is not the same issue you've had with HFT...Wilmott does not purport any wrongdoing with HFT, simply that it adds volatility.

In fact, his issue really isn't even so much with HFT, but that of different trading styles (providing vs. taking liquidity).

Always interesting to hear Wilmott's take, but this article lacks substance imo.

by somethingisrotten
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 08:51
#18082

Man, I would love to see behind the mask, err I mean bag, of these GS employees.

by erich
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:42
#18124

Amen!  When clueless, revert to mention of GS!  Case CLOSED!

by somethingisrotten
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:59
#18143

It appears from the market trading since light was shone on this disgusting topic that non-HFT traders have voted - they consider it illegal by all standard definitions..

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:04
#18148

And clearly they are the smartest people in the room.

by svendthrift
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 12:25
#18314

meh

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:18
#18103

Willmott's issue with HFT is very different from Joe and Themis Trading (and until reading your conclusion I believed ZH position). He does not claim flash orders are illegal or front running. He does raise the systemic risk inherent in HFT which is vital to discuss. Unfortunately, this issue has been completely missed by most people discussing HFT. Instead most have focus on the simple and populous issues of fairness, order types, and front running. Thank you for bring his editorial to our attention.

by KidDynamite
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 11:05
#18226

BINGO. this is the key.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 13:54
#18425

I heart fairness. IOC orders should be active for at least 1 second, and frontrunning in all it's forms should be illegal and apparently is not.

Those droids are the ones I'm looking for, capiche?

by zeropointfield
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:23
#18107

So crashing the market is a good thing?
Thanks for sharing your worldview and letting us know what motivates you in life.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:31
#18114

Please show where any of us state that crashing the market was a good thing? My point was that we should discuss the systemic risks associated with HFT and not if an order type most dont understand, is front running. Thank you for adding zero value to this discussion.

by dark pools of soros
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:26
#18179

all this running up on no real merit is what causes that drastic crashes - that is what ZH et all is trying to prevent

 

why is BAC shooting up while everyone else is bleeding today??

 

bots are firing!

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 12:46
#18344

You say the run up has no merit. I'm pretty confident I can find a number of people who control very large sums of money that will disagree with you. If as you say, it has no merit, wouldn't that present an awesome opportunity for you to take the other side?

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 13:57
#18432

Not if they are manipulating the market, squidboy. You're too easy.

by Hondo
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:18
#18167

Wilmott doesn’t purport there isn’t any wrong doing either.  He assume all information is publically available.  Well, news…. flashes aren’t publically available. 

When everyone is doing the same thing (remember the HF’s in the summer of 2007 ) then things will get nasty very quickly when sentiment changes (and it always does).  When 70% of the volume in the market is from one strategy (that proclaims to be adding liquidity but isn’t and won’t when the sentiment changes) then big moves in the market are destine to happen and there is no way to get out of the way when it does.  These kinds of moves are very destabilizing to the economy as a whole due to their effect on wealth, consumption and investment (to say little of the effect of government deficits to try and bring back balance to the overall economy.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 13:35
#18399

> "flashes aren’t publically available. "

Yes they are. You simply sign up for the right account, pay a fee and sign up for them.

Is news in the WSJ not publicly available because you have to buy a subscription?

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 17:58
#18716

Umm, just so you know, HFT consists of HUNDREDS of different strategies.

by Tyler Durden
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 08:45
#18075

Unfortunately you seem to have missed both the gist of Wilmott's piece, as well as my original contention from the original linked article. Happy to provide the conclusion from that piece:


"So what happens in a world where the very core of the capital markets system is gradually deleveraging to a point where maintaining a liquid and orderly market becomes impossible: large swings on low volume, massive bid-offer spreads, huge trading costs, inability to clear and numerous failed trades. When the quant deleveraging finally catches up with the market, the consequences will likely be unprecedented, with dramatic dislocations leading the market both higher and lower on record volatility."

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:32
#18115

I had a longer response typed up which didn't post, but basically my point is Wilmott doesn't take issue with HFT per se but with everyone following the same strategy. HFT happens to be the strategy, it could've been anything else. HFT is the scapegoat here, unless any illegal wrongdoing is brought into the mix.

He implies no illegal activity in HFT, which is another argument altogether.

I think we're on the same page in terms of whether HFT does actually provide liquidity or not and whether the concentration of power is a good thing or not....I just see Wilmott's article as taking a slightly less aggressive stance on HFT than what's been put forth on ZH in the past.

by erich
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:46
#18131

ZH makes numerous conspiracy sightings each day, so one has to be careful when stating ZH has not made the same claim as Wilmott.

I think it is clear that the notion volume = liquidity is a mistake, and both ZH and Wilmott agree on that.  It also seems clear to me that for exchanges to rent out special access server space is unfair and should be stopped.  I would like to know if Wilmott and others agree with that.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:09
#18157

Agree with you on most points- but anyone can co-locate. If it adds value to your business you will co-locate. Its like saying its not fair one business purchases better, more expensive real estate for their store. No one rents special access servers- they rent an office closer to the line so they get data a bit faster than someone who rents an office further away.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 08:47
#18077

To which the golden boys respond, if you take away our license to steal it will be your fault when the market crashes.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the fifth- biggest U.S. bank by assets, said attempts to curb speculation may be “disruptive” to markets.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=ahZl9asR.GX8

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:54
#18137

HFT is not illegal but HFT does allow power to be concentrated into the hands of a few. I appreciate the comment that Goldman Sachs has a monopoly on the capital markets both in information and trade execution. This is purely an antitrust issue and should be pursued by the Government---channeling the Trust Busting of Teddy R.

The above comment that GS will destroy this market if they don't get their way has already been proven in Fall of 2008.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:55
#18138

HFT is not illegal but HFT does allow power to be concentrated into the hands of a few. I appreciate the comment that Goldman Sachs has a monopoly on the capital markets both in information and trade execution. This is purely an antitrust issue and should be pursued by the Government---channeling the Trust Busting of Teddy R.

The above comment that GS will destroy this market if they don't get their way has already been proven in Fall of 2008.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 18:22
#18741

"...Goldman Sachs has a monopoly on the capital markets both in information and trade execution"

A monopoly in trading volume, maybe, but I don't think they have a monopoly in trading execution. Maybe, just maybe, they are a few micro seconds faster than the other big banks, but I don't think that qualifies as a monopoly.

by ShankyS
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:08
#18151

BINGO! Ring the bell we have a winner here. GS has come to our government at a time of need as the white knight. Lo and behold to our leaders surprise GS became so entrenched that they can not be removed from the system without causing systemic collapse at a time when government power teeters on the brink and we can least afford it. They are dammed if they do and damned if they don't. They want power and control, so guess which way they decide?

Problem that TD is pointing out is that the white knight's system will eventually fail as power coils and condenses at the top. Then it crumbles. In the mean time to protect against this future event they remove shorting possibilities which will further exacerbate the fall when it occurs. We're fucked one way of the other.

I am pleased that this is being addressed, but GS's power base is so well entrenched and they are making so much money that the worse of the two scenarios will happen first. Flash will be done away with as "regulatory reform" occurs while not addressing the larger problem (similar to CDS issues). They sew up the wound but don't perform the required surgery to fix the problem. 

by dark pools of soros
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:46
#18197

just like the english boys did in that 20's crash and also what they did to Jackson when he got the US out of debt

 

they play the games and the sheep are their army

by Miles Kendig
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 08:47
#18078

The increased dynamics of these topics in various areas of society is the desired natural progression of the work that has been applied to this point.  I am sure that TD and many of the much more informed that I am among the participants here have carefully considered how those that oppose our efforts will attempt to deflect and alter the discussion and potential outcomes.  In this careful consideration and enhancement of the flows of information and consideration of specific reactions to stimuli will be most instructive.

Keep up the pressure.  The dynamics of the deep strike continue to apply.  Best wishes.

by DebtorShredder
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 08:51
#18080

MORE HEDGE FUNDS WILL COLLAPSE: You can always start a new one. Hell, start two at the same time, one buys, the other sells!

Auditting the FED may yield.

by Deferred Comp
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 08:54
#18086

by SWRichmond
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:21
#18166

comment moved to new relevant thread

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 08:57
#18088

Trader on Bloomberg says markets are manipulated and volumes 'ficticious'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4cRYI2x60Q&feature=player_embedded

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:11
#18095

We used to have flowing waves of amber. Now it's flowing waves of cesspool provided by Goldman and JP.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:14
#18097

Financial News

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:15
#18099

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awn_Wo4uqoDI

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:59
#18140

Gee, that sure changed from the article I read this morning!

It was also, curiously, one where the 'positive' main page headline was drastically different from the actual article. I suspect that data has been so massaged since this morning that it's now out having a cigarette.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:17
#18102

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/nyse/

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:35
#18118

The problem with Brownian dispersions is that eventually everything turns to sh*t. That is no assumption but reality.

by amarshall
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:39
#18123

Great, we didn't need the NYSE anyway

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:02
#18145

I think there was nothing new learned in the op-ed that some people already know which is if everybody is perfectly hedged then nobody is. The point is that everyone seems to think there is more liquidity and hence their stop losses or what not would be good enough, except when that liquidity suddenly disappears. You could apply the same thing to the US bond market, which everyone thinks is most liquid. Some day it won't be so. In a zero sum game everyone cannot win that's why complacency precedes a crash.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:47
#18201

HFTs are just another reason why no average joe retail should participate in the stock market. It's a total sham with the market heavyweights trying to take your money away. Wall street needs retails in the market to take your money.. no retails means they canibalize each other

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:52
#18213

Wilmott is brilliant. Most commentors here are clueless -- HFT is a tiny portion of GS revenues.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 11:26
#18254

OK anon 18213, show us our ignorance. Show us your brilliance.

by BorisTheBlade
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 11:48
#18278

Joe Saluzi is on the Bloomberg today talking about Flash trading:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7nwUdDMPpI

 

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 13:09
#18365

Anything that constitutes 70% of all trading will destabilize the market when the sh*t hits the fan

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 13:51
#18422

Bubble markets and irrationally depressed markets have always existed, as have intense periods of volatility.

There were no computers buying tulips in Amsterdam, railroad stocks in London or crashing the US markets in the 30s.

Nor were there computers selling stock to irrationally low values compared to expecter income streams in the 60s and 70s.

Humans as a group are far less rational than computers when it comes to trading... and the volatility and boom/bust cycles are primarily of human making.

If you lost money in 2008 and are blaming it on the HF traders, I suggest a quick peek in the mirror followed by a re-read of Benjamin Grahams 'The Intelligent Investor'.

Prices took a beating not because computers ran them up and then down, but because human speculators ran them up, and there was finally no greater fool to sell to.

> Anything that constitutes 70% of all trading will destabilize the market when the sh*t hits the fan

I disagree. The computers will still be there looking for things to buy on the cheap when the markets are falling, whereas human nature is to run for the hills compounding steep market moves downward.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 14:21
#18468

Am I the only one who sees this situation as a fantastic business opportunity for someone to set up a completely seperate, fair and transparent exchange?

It would steal market share IMMEDIATELY, and good companies would jump on the chance to be listed there..

Some servers and software, how much is that?

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 14:30
#18477

> Am I the only one who sees this situation as a fantastic business opportunity for someone to set up a completely seperate, fair and transparent exchange?

Yes - you are.

There are already lots of ECNs and Exchanges. If you don't like the flash access afforded to HF traders, place your orders on ISLD (as just one example).

Listing exchange and where something trades have no correlation anymore (you can trade NASDAQ stocks on ARCA which is owned by NYSE, or trade NYSE stocks on NASDAQ).

The exchanges and ECNs are transparent. If you don't like the peek given to liquidity providers by some ECNs, then there are others that do not provide that peek on which you can trade.

As for cost - developing a matching system, connecting your trading partners and the regulatory hurdles are massive. Beyond that, it is a very very very low margin business (the spread between a liquidity rebate vs taker fee is less than a 1/10th of a penny per share). The margins being so thin and competition so intense is why flash trades were started... it increased the odds of having your order filled on a local ECN rather than routed out to another ECN, with the sole purpose of bringing in more volume, since it is a very very competitive space.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 17:06
#18682

You predict that quant deleveraging will produce "dramatic dislocations leading the market both higher and lower on record volatility." But we had a quant deleveraging event in August 2007 and none of these things happened. In fact, that event was like a neutron bomb, decimating quant funds but leaving the rest of the market unscathed (up 1% for the month of Aug).

Wilmott isn't predicting market instability but is complaining that many aren't interested in studying whether HFT increases or decreases stability.

Wilmott talks about positive and negative feedback and elevates the discussion way above Saluzzi and his gang trying to mislead us back to the days of 25 cent spreads where he can make a mint off of the rest of us.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 18:45
#18756

All Wilmott's NYT article shows is that if 'everyone' blindly follows the same stop loss free, un dampened strategy , we get lots of volatility and possibly crazy drops. Is that supposed to be a surprise? To go from there to indict HFT also requires assuming HFT strategies in and of themselves are more correlated and less dampened than manually executed ones. Perhaps this is the case, but it certainly does not have to be that way. If my strategy is to sell on every downtick, and everyone else's are too, we'll sure manage to crash the market between us. What the heck does computers have to do with it?

--Stuki, who does not work at GS if that matters to anyone.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 07/29/2009 - 20:50
#18883

This situation will be proven out per ZH and Wilmott soon enough. Anyone with economic sense knows that we will have one or two more major ( 20% or greater) market drops sometime in the next three years. When it happens, per Wilmott, all of these HF programs that are copying each other will take the market down faster than ever before. And plainly there are a lot of traders that have been betting that we are due for a major correction. This last upswing being little more than a short squeeze on those bets. Someone is going to hit the jackpot when this market pops.

by Anonymous
on Sun, 11/01/2009 - 00:33
#116474

Wilmott is always interesting to read, such is the interview article here
http://www.quantnet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5640

by Anonymous
on Sun, 11/01/2009 - 00:34
#116476

Read Paul wilmott interview http://www.quantnet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5640

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