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Pentagon Can't Explain "Missile" Sighting, NORAD Believes It Is Not A Foreign Military Object
A crazy day in the markets closes, and one of the biggest non-market related stories still has no closure. As per the AP, nobody still has any clue what the "missile" sighting was. A suggestion being floated by the Pentagon is that this may have been a "private company." NORAD chimes in: "We can confirm that there is no threat to our nation, and from all indications this was not a launch by a foreign military." In other words, nobody knows nothing.
From AP:
Washington (AP) -- The Pentagon said Tuesday it was trying to determine if a missile was launched Monday off the coast of Southern California and, if so, who might have fired it.
Spokesmen for the Navy, Air Force, and other military organizations said they were looking into a video posted on the CBS News website that shows an object shooting across the sky and leaving a large contrail, or vapor trail, over the Pacific Ocean.
The video was shot by a KCBS helicopter, the station said Tuesday.
"Nobody within the Department of Defense that we've reached out to has been able to explain what this contrail is, where it came from," Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said.
Lapan said that "all indications" are that the Department of Defense was not involved within the mystery object, and that the contrail might have been created by something flown by a private company.
Normally any missile test would require notification so that mariners and pilots could be warned or air space closed, but that may not have been done in this case, Lapan said.
"It does seem implausible, and that's why at this point the operative term is 'unexplained'," he said. "Nobody ... within the Department of Defense that we've reached out to has been able to explain what this contrail is."
Missile tests are common off Southern California. Launches are conducted from vessels and platforms on an ocean range west of Point Mugu.
The North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, issued a statement jointly with the U.S. Northern Command, or NORTHCOM, saying that the contrail was not the result of a foreign military launching a missile. It provided no further details.
"We can confirm that there is no threat to our nation, and from all indications this was not a launch by a foreign military," the statement said. "We will provide more information as it becomes available."
NORTHCOM is the U.S. defense command and NORAD is a U.S.-Canadian organization charged with protecting the U.S.
from the threat of missiles or hostile aircraft.
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I think Burt Rutan just launched SpaceShip II
nice california sunset.
They just leak little bits of info here and there sprinkled with hints of perfectly plausible explanations and let the news media build the story it wants to tell.
Best video out there: http://www.necn.com/11/09/10/Mysterious-missile-launched-off-Californ/la...
Clearly at about :50 you can see this is obviously a contrail from a plane.
Then you better get that fly news to the Pentagon and NORAD cuz they are just not seeing it that way.
Bollocks, Harold.
I don't see that at all.
I can clearly see that you have verbal diarrhea. Contrail are WHITE, not BLACK, you buffoon!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail
LOOK at the pretty pictures, several of which are from around twilight, and note that note ONE of them is anything other than white!
Contrail from a Quantis jet....
Quantis?
You mean QANTAS? As in Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Services?
This is right by LA, there are planes taking off all the time. If a plane did that, there would be a ton of trails just like that. It would have to be some sort of military/rocket plane to create that type of launch trail. It's much more likely a missile plume from a military test launch. They often don't think to tell anyone what they are doing or why.
Contrails happen a differing altitudes, usually very high. Not immediatley above airports.
Harry,
so what's your fucking point - you think NORAD and Pentagon are now trying to pretend what we see is a missile while you actually know it is a plane w/ no wings and a booster on the tail? I believe the reason NORAD says they observed the "launch" rather than "takeoff" is plain?
Are you just terribly frightened of the possible implications or are you attempting to say something of value?
Seems Harry is just another sunshine proxy or troll???
Nah, just incompetent.
Harry, if you seriously think this is a commercial airliner flying over the Pacific you are absolutely insane.
I invite everyone to click on Harry's posted video to the NECN website for the video.
Some people are contrary just for the pain. Which might be insane, yes, but some people just roll that way.
lol, looks like Harry didn't like the replies to his comment. Junked every one of them.
Except he missed yours *** Junk *** that's better..
I've never junked anyone on this forum. Ever. No reason to. Even if someone posts a tirade of profanity, I don't junk it. Junking is stupid. Just reply if you have something to say.
Personally, I wear my junks with pride. They indicate that I've offended some simpletons and that makes me feel like I accomplished something good for the day.
My work here is done.
harry, i've never seen a contrail be so wide right off the jet, no matter what temperature or climate condition it is. they always come out of the jets more or less narrow and then spread out over time.
i have seen several rocket launches out of Vandenberg though. very similar plumes to this.
Confirmation bias.
NORAd? !!! If you never read the following about norad on 9-11... do so. NORAD is incompetent/ irrelevant.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608
I always read vanity fair for the hard hitting expose's.
ROFLMAO
Too funny...
. . .as opposed to these comment threads, eh.
I think the message here is things are much worse than we first thought...
It should take math grad about 30 min to figure out where the debris filed is...
While the debris field is out in the Pacific the debris will be boxed up and filed in that big-ass government warehouse where the Ark of the Covenent was seen in the last scene of The Raiders of the Lost Ark.
you have to admit that they took a nice picture of it...
Infowars:
Drone Surveillance Program Targeting Americans?It was GOOGLE earth just doing some mapping..... Oh they forgot to mention it ? Move along fucking lemmings....move along.
It is quite possible that our military does not know what it was but should know where it went. Our current early warning Radar the PAVE PAWS system looks for inbound ballistic missiles and the nearest station to the launch site is Beal AFB in Northern California. As the coast mountain range would mask the launch site from the PAWS system they may not have detected the launch until it was well down range.
On the side has anyone witnessed a SCUD missile launch? Did this look similar?
see that's the problem if it was an airplane the radar operators would confirm it, aend of story, if it was something else, anything at all, and obviously it was something, they should confirm it, if its nothing, either they're lieing, or it's something really advanced, in which case why did it make such a large wake
Mystery solved!
The Catalina Island Junior Rocketry Club has come forward and admitted it was one of theirs. Justin T. Thrusst was quoted this afternoon at the B. Hussein Obama Junior High School-"Yeah, we just thought it would be cool to light up a really big one and watch everybody freak out."
Russians....
Maybe. But what's in it for the Russians? Boris getting sandbox revenge for the ColdWar?
It is clearly a missle because if you look closely at this image, you will notice the corkscrew manuever. This looks like a THAAD test or something similar: http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/1109-wires-missile/9003059-1-eng-US/1109-wires-missile_full_600.jpg
Barbara Boxer is a squirter!
Its Balloon boy and his Mama..Rally on..
Dr. No, leading SPECTRA agent claims responsibility for missile launch. Demands US Taxpayers make good on all the shitty CDOs he bought OR ELSE!!!
Newsflash - USA to spend trillions more fighting "Terrisms" that they won't negotiate with no matter what!
In other news - Special Agent 007 downgraded to just plain 0.
And to think of the poor bastards on that cruise ship they hit...sniff...
911 only comes twice a year! (depending on whether or not you like to switch your calendar from month/day/year to day/month/year, natch)
Regards
Are you talking about the event itself or all of the speculation going on in the thread? I only ask because the event took place on the 8th.
It was a Bulava SS-N-30 which was subsequently intercepted by an S-500 SAM launched from the Kamchatka Peninsula. Note the NW trajectory: get out your globe and draw a line NW across the Pacific from LA. Still think this is about China ?
NW trajectory - check
Kamchatka Peninsula - check
"get out your globe and draw a line NW across the Pacific from LA"
Iran - check
Holy god, now we know it was a missile, look at this very poorly worded denial. I mean could they have come up with a dumber explanation if they tried?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7039034.shtml
A launch 1) just outside the biggest media market in the world, 2) at the perfect time of day to see it, 3) CBS-owned affiliate gets the capture, 4) CBS is with Robert Ellsworth within the hour where he says, 5) "China".
Not 4% of the country would have thought "China". They needed a nudge....
That level of propaganda would border on treason. Doesn't mean they wouldn't do it, but I think ... not.
Note that all the alternatives to that are much worse.
"Reliable sources who insisted on remaining anonymous indicated that the 'mystery launching' was JP Morgan jettisoning its previous-metals proprietary trading division."
And in fact, you'll notice that today's silver price chart almost perfectly mirrors that of the mystery missile: First a steady rise into the stratosphere, then a quick crash back to earth, where it languished near the ocean's surface for a little while before beginning a second plunge into the watery depths, which concluded with a small bump off an oceanic ridge. The dangers of chasing a parabolic blowoff...
Chinese sub.
We aren't happy about India, we aren't happy about your money printing and trade war bullshit.
You leader is a pansy.
Don't fuck with us.
Heh. Now can you repeat that in Chinese? Just so we can get a feel for it?
Mexican drug lords gone ICBM!! Did the missle land on Juarez?
Mexican drug lords just lost/flammed 2 tons of cocaine out over the Pacific. Heads will roll.
Oh man that would be perfect.
Yes, I want to believe.
Na, Charlie Sheen is in Hawaii and he needed some blow quick, same minute delivery..
TV Special - program outline:
Black Ops forces try to initiate a false flag operation.
Missile to hit LA.
Mid-operation, loyal patriots uncover the plot.
Insert bits of fighting, and nail-biting suspense as the missile
launches, but has miraculously been mis-directed by the loyal patriots,
who report the entire episode up the chain.
Command says "We don't know, but we're not worried (now)".
Covers all the bits we have so far.
I don't think there is a conspiracy here. That would require intelligence, co-ordination and skill.
What we have here is blind stupidity and incompetence from the usual bunch of fuck-ups who are at the controls.
Fine fine. But that doesn't rule out the N Koreans.
Why dosen't someone ask Erin Burnette. She knows everything.
That's just rude, man.
Except how to pronounce "palladium".
Mathew Simmons and "George Washington" say that it is the Deepwater Horizon's blowout preventer exploding out from underneath the Gulf of Mexico.
Simmons, huh?
It was a ufo fueling up with salt water for another year or so of bopping around the galaxy.
It was Bob Prechter returning to his home planet.
seems to me there have been reports of UFO's which emerged from the ocean, in roughly that area, (must have seen it on the History channel) somebody should dial up that episode.
submarine cloaking device?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090817073508.htm
My girlfriend's dildo. You see, her vagina is really, really tight...
Your girl friend is talented.
So this is a confession?
No. I'm just bragging.
Airplane.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/09/california.contrails/index.html?iref=al...
But John Pike, a defense expert who is director of GlobalSecurity.org, said he believes he has solved the mystery.
"It's clearly an airplane contrail," Pike said Tuesday afternoon. "It's an optical illusion that looks like it's going up, whereas in reality it's going towards the camera. The tip of the contrail is moving far too slowly to be a rocket. When it's illuminated by the sunset, you can see hundreds of miles of it ... all the way to the horizon.
"Why the government is so badly organized that they can't get somebody out there to explain it and make this story go away ... I think that's the real story," Pike added. "I mean, it's insane that with all the money we are spending, all these technically competent people, that they can't get somebody out there to explain what is incredibly obvious."
Hmmm... The visual horizon is about 22 miles away or so. The "missile" was supposedly launched 35 miles off the coast.
I'm not sure what altitude the helicopter was at, but you can plug in the numbers from here to find out if you could see the "launch point": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon
My guess is that the point of origen would appear to be at, or close to the visual horizon (where there were lots of clouds anyway).
PS As a former CA resident and 20+ year aviation professional [Commercial Pilot/A&P/IA] who has seen many contrails as well as a launch from Vandenburg - that looks more like a missile than any contrail I've ever seen.
- ah yes, and after 40+ years in the cornbread mafia, like my daddy used to say ...
This is an easy one.
It's the Federal Deficit.Test launch of QE Tres'.
It was definitely S.M.A.S.H.
Bond is looking into it.
Is that really a dark cloud or something a bit more sinister.
Ancient alien theorists were right!
They're covering for Mossad again-just like the israeli moving company that was set up to film 911 as it happened. Another false flag coming soon!!!
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Broadcast.html
Listen to the Military Ops coming up.................Mr.Rickards has inside contacts.Interesting interview.
I knew it. Its those wascally terrorist showing off again.
This was a good interview with Rickards. Lots of insight.
No worries guys...
Government says it was a UPS plane and those weren't contrails...it was whip cream.
Safe.
While it might be fun to think our man Ben has traded his helicopter for a missile, I did notice when watching the uncut video that the alleged missile's speed seemed constant rather than accelerating. Also, as a missile increases in altitude, the contrail expands, because of the reduced atmosphere. I did not see that in the video which leads me to believe the object was not very high (under 100,000 feet). I'll bet this turns out to be an aircraft. The prime clues as to its unbelievability is that 1) its in Los Angeles and 2) it was shot by an LA TV station Helicopter. But if it is the Chinese, Governor MOONBEAM will save us.
Pillgrimm,
this "event" originated about 35miles off the coast and we going W away from land. The fact it was so visible is due to its height and large plume.
Let's assume NORAD knows a launch when they track one and since that is their terminology, lets assume this point is moot now and move onto WTF could this be about?
Moonbat. FIFY
Fat finger Navy boy trying to cover a silver short.
It's sad to say, but I believe this:
They know exactly what it was. I know this because I know they're first instincts are to lie, every single time.
You should worry when they say they know what it was....
That's not a missile, it's just the gold price going off the charts.
Paraphrase: "We don't have a f*cking clue what it is or was but we're positive it was not dangerous or any kind of a threat".
LMAO. Gets my nomination for least-credible "official" statement this week. But then it's only Tuesday...
Isn't there a line almost like that in Ghostbusters? Something like "It's okay folks, just a little supernatural monster, we're professionals nothing to worry about."
I mean, a high school kid could write this script.
Rosie O'Donnell had some really bad gas on her dhingy off the coast of Lalaland.
Whatever, it should repeat the gold and silver moon shoot the Fed was busy to stamp out today.
Fed firefighters are doing the rain dance in St. Louis, NY, Philly and Dallas and hoping for some magical mojo to put out the gold and silver fires.
One month late...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnX6yU8PJHE&feature=related
What if the warhead was a bio-weapon? Wouldn't show anything...yet.
give me about 20h and i will be able to tell you if this was indeed a plane or a missile - if plane, we should see a trail just like this one, the next time it flies the same route.
Airplane? I seriously doubt it. Watch this video -- note: the thickness of the plume and note the hot spot visible at about :40 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2qKMchcgzk
Reminds of the initial response to the GOM oil spill. No oil is leaking and we have the situation under control? Really? All I know is there is some weird shit going down and the President is out of the country. Makes me wonder what is next? Not getting the warm and fuzzy right now.
I'm pretty sure it was a submarine from Yemen, bought with manipulated Chinese currency, that launched an Iranian warhead; fortunately, we infiltrated the Pakistani intelligence service that provided them the targeting data via Wikileaks. Clearly, no sane person could object to the conclusion that we have to act with force immediately and decisively - we're coming for, you Hugo Chavez!
The Pentagon said Tuesday that a missile launch off the southern coast of California remained “unexplained” and that its mysterious origins meant that it was not possible to rule out any threat to the homeland, Fox News Channel reported.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mystery_missile_launch_caught_report_InDYUhETO5NnS5RYKuZ6bO#ixzz14pXtcIBm Seems like someone realized the contradiction of saying "we're clueless but there's no danger." Now it's just "we're clueless." I'm impressed.
It was a fucking weather balloon. We don't concern ourselves with dumb shit like this.
Move along, nothing to see here.
More proof that aliens have infiltrated into our government via weather balloons.
I live five miles South of LAX in Manhattan Beach and I can tell you the trajectory of that missle is in the exact path that jets take when they take off from the airport. Especially, big 747's heading overseas. To me this looks more like a terrorist attack gone awry. Everyone knows this is one of the things they've talked about doing in the past... shooring down a US airliner with a missle. A jet with that flight path takes off about every minute. There is no way this missle didn't come close to one of them.
that's a really interesting theory actually considering all the false flag language floating around.
The jets taking off from LAX turn north, south, or circle back to fly east shortly after takeoff. The only jets at risk would be those who continue to fly straight west for 35 miles or more. That is how far off the coast the launch is reported to have taken place. The number of jets who actually fly through the launch area probably approaches zero - as the purported launch area is controlled by the navy and much testing takes place there.
Fucking NORKS!
This was probably a classified delta launch from Vandenburgh. Another spy sattelite. Just because some local news program makes a map, don't take it as gospel.
If we DIDN'T do this, we'd be at DEFCON 1 and you'd know it.
So, it's ours.
Bingo +1 missile
But DEFCON 1 would roil the markets.
And no I'm not being sarcastic.
Besides that old time stuff was for when people actually gave a damn. Tomorrow you could say the Peoples Army of China have landed in Oakland and maybe someone would Tweet it and go home early to beat the traffic, but that's it.
SPECTRE or Captain Nemo, can't be sure. Maybe Atlantis going nuke.
You just gotta love that we live in interesting times. Anything but boredom.
Who makes the missile control systems on us submarines?
Maybe its STUXNET!
Maybe we will be told to believe a hacker launched a missile. Cyber shutdown is a great cover for a bank holiday.
This is a false flag fuck up of royal magnitude.
We make our own, for just that reason.
Uncle Ben has abandoned helicopters in favor of MX missles -- aimed at China and loaded with dollars so they will send more cheap shit to Walmart for American consumers to buy with devalued currency.
It's an airplane. From how the contrail is being moved by the prevailing winds, the source is moving too slowly, and at linear speeds. (a missile would be accelerating) The angle of the sun and the orientation of the trail tend to create illusions like this. It's probably a flight from Asia at high altitude. It is making a turn to the north, giving the illusion of a parabolic trajectory. The flash at the end of the video is the glint of the sun off the plane, the sun is behind the camera.
I've seen lots of missile launches from this area, sorry guys, this is just an airplane.
More Airbus 380 engine troubles?
If so, someone should remove all the sharp objects from Rolls Royce's sales office. Actually, no airlines operate A380's on trans-pacific flights. I believe Korean Air will be the first, beginning next year. They all operate between Europe, Asia, and the Middle East.
I tend to agree. Occam's razor and whatnot. However, if it's a plane at high altitude, wouldn't it at the very least be recorded by radar at LAX? And if it's a commercial plane, wouldn't it's flight plan be available? It seems like a very easy way to debunk this - produce radar data or a flight plan showing a scheduled flight in that area, at that altitude, at that time. Why has this type of evidence not been produced yet?
It might if not for the fact that the air traffic control system is just one step out of the stone age. They still use paper printouts to manage aircraft. It's almost certainly a flight from Asia and would be under control of the FAA's traffic management center in Palmdale, not LAX.
So this was a single engine aircraft?
From thirty miles off the coast? Must be one of them pontoon planes huh?
You mean to tell me with the in-fared surface satellite surveillance we profess to have, someone can launch a ballistic missile from our west coast and nobody has a clue where it came from? WTF, certainly no bottle rocket. Wrong switch tag on that TelePrompTer.
This is no picture of a missile.Its just the precious metal going ballistic.
Its a photoshoped chart.
STUXNET phase 2 begins...
LOL
Wait. That's not funny.
Will be very easy to debunk the missile / plane debate - Ask NORAD...if a plane, where did it land. Should have been tracked all the way. If a missile, same question and should be gone in middle of Pacific.
Unless this "plane" just dissapeared over the Pacific? I think NORAD should be able to answer in a simple yes / no. Where did this "thing" end up?
Looks scaringly similar to a FED printer blow up.Ink cartridge blows to the stratoshere and ink leakage responsible for huge ink cloud.No pomo next days I suppose.
that missile launch
was just the last
common sense
leaving the planet ..
It's a bioweapon to end all bioweapons is my theory. Prez is out o' country, the date
is perfect for terror 11-09-10, as opposed to 09-11-01. This could explain the recklessness and arrogance of the elite. We know we're all gonna die soon anyway.
Sorry, that does not look like a aircraft contrail. I have watched in person at least half a dozen Space Shuttle launches and that sure looks a solid fuel rocket. Same as the boosters used on on shuttle.
It's a bioweapon to end all bioweapons is my theory. Prez is out o' country, the date
is perfect for terror 11-09-10, as opposed to 09-11-01. This could explain the recklessness and arrogance of the elite. They know we're all gonna die soon anyway.
Failed EMP attack? from a rouge boat off the coast? I mean you could drag a barge with a big enough boat and sink the barge after launch.
Private Launch? During the 90s an Australian engineer built a home made cruise missile that could use commercial GPS and fly itself 100 miles to the target. He never flew it because the government confiscated it before test flight. Could be some nutter trying to make a point?
Failed EMP attack? from a rouge boat off the coast?
Damn those terrorists! Now they're using makeup!
Looks like a contrail to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtINbdVt7no
Ok so if it's a missile,say it's Chinese, think about the position it puts the admin/NORAD in. If you know it's a missile and you know it's not yours you can't just make up some goofy cover story. Why, because you have to wait for the Chinese to say something first. Get it? If you state that its a weather balloon and everything's AOK then the Chinese come out and say no, actually we did it, you're screwed. If this follows on to the prank of "accidentally" surfacing a sub in the middle of an aircraft carrier group then the message is clear... something along the lines of "we're taking Taiwan and you all can just back the fuck off and learn to love it" or "just stay the hell away from our part of the ocean from now on". Anyway, point being, if it was a missile and it wasn't ours then the joint chiefs must be about ready to play mutually exploding heads. There would be no credible statement they could make until the perp came clean..or not. Bummer for O Bummer. If it was a missile.
Now I sound like a broken record!
you think they'd tell US we're at DEFCON 1...lol
Anyway, where's Marianna's trench?
Ok, if you believe this is a jet contrail from a commercial airliner, please call 1-800-386-3825. A Goldman Sachs call center will sign you up for their special deal on BAC MBS securities that are only being provided to certain select individuals. Hurry! Don't miss it!
.............
Let's break it down for those who can decode the last 7 digits above.
1. Jet contrail - there is only one contrail and at the engine is it is at LEAST the diameter of the object producing it. If you want to defend this idea, please identify the single engine commercial/cargo airliner that has just one jet engine - 'cause we need to contact the manufacturer/airline to let them know it was producing a lot of smoke before it crashed.
What am I talking about? Go back and look at the early part of the KCBS video and notice the very dark side of the smoke plume that gradually lightens as it moves up into the atmosphere beyond the Chinook helicopter and above the level of the cloud it passes. I've seen contrails all over the world from all kinds of planes at all kinds of altitudes. I have never seen any of them have the density to block sunlight. That's because the amount of water vapor/ice crystals required to form clouds large and dense enough to block sunlight isn't available in the atmosphere. Here's a link to Wiki for those who want a visual. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail
2. Missile exhaust - Daddy was a steely eyed rocket man in the 50's & 60's (X-15 1million HP engine, Titan II missile & engine design, PM for Titan II missile silo base out side Little Rock (we had frontline seats for the Cuban Missile crisis). We didn't have Droid phones, cable TV or even 3 TV stations in most places we lived - but we had lots NASA and Air Force films Dad brought home for us to watch. Missiles use their fuel in reckless abandon since they aren't planning on needing any for a controlled landing. A missile exhaust plume is dense enough to block a substantial portion of the sunlight because it has lots of nasty crap it leaves behind it in its plume.
Who fired it? ............. well, whoever it was they didn't care if it got noticed ... or actually wanted it noticed. The Obama Court is arrogant enough to not care about the peasants but my money is on somebody else.
barliman
Los Angeles is home to 12 million people and two major commercial airports, not to mention nearby military bases.
People in LA know what a jet contrail looks like. This is obviously rocket exhaust. The video even shows the rocket itself, burning brightly.
Smoking A380?
Contrail. Incoming plane flying eastbound over the pacific. The end of the trail is over the horizon and very diffused - is was chill and winds were high yesterday. The red light is the setting sun reflecting off the plane's body.
Contrails on late afternoon space missile launches, which we see in so-cal fairly often (from Vandenberg and Mugu), get very diffused and have almost a rainbow/halo as the missile leaves the atmosphere - they look different and are also visible for _hundreds_ of miles.
Scared the shit out of me, though... thought for sure it was an SLBM :)
See this link for another airplane contrail that looks almost identical... http://blog.metservice.com/2010/01/contrail-over-tauranga/
You can come out of the fallout shelter now :)
Incoming plane flying eastbound over the pacific.
so the craft we are seeing in that video is actually coming into LAX?
and you saw it approach with your own eyes?
what's the restaurant with the lavender awning on PCH in the palisades?
If this was 35 miles off the coast of Los Angeles, that contrail is HUGE. That's the thickness of a contrail you'd expect to see from a jet right overhead. That contrail is far, far thicker than a jet contrail.
After closer inspection of the video, it is clearly a launch from somewhere on the ocean. Two clues. First, closer to the horizon the contrail is in front of the clouds, indicating it is at a lower altitude. Further from the horizon, the contrail is behind the clouds, indicating it had risen to a much higher altitude. Also, the shadow cast by the contrail stops about half way down. This also indicates the object is rapidly increasing its altitude. If the object was maintaing cruise altitude above the cloud cover, the shadow would follow the contrail its entire length.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyEvk-VTuEI @ 33 seconds to see what I mean
If it was a jet, the FAA would have a record of which jet it is, dontchathink?
The wide end of the contrail is out over the edge of the horizon... probably 90-100 miles away. The appearance that it's coming up from the ocean and heading away from the camera is, IMO, an optical illusion.
Also, if this was a missile launched from the ocean off the coast of LA, at sunset, you'd have 10,000 videos of it on youtube and google video now... there are a fair number of people around here - boaters, pilots, tourists watching the sunset.... why did no-one else notice this if it was such an unusual occurance?
The reason this got attention, IMO, is that the news helicopter guy filmed it, and called it a "missile launch" - not that anybody in the news business would misinterpret or sensationalize an ordinary event mind you...
I bet if he had filmed it for another 5 minutes, you'd see the blinking lights on the plane come into view.
1. The copter was on land. The ocean is to the west, away from, the copter. The missile was fired such that it flew away from the coast and out over the ocean. That would put the missile flying away from the copter. No optical illusion.
2. These sights are nothing new in LA. The only thing new is that it was filmed. With a telephoto lens. Most cameraphones don't have good telephoto lenses on them.
3. The copter was up high. That is the only reason it could see out to sea and see that something was rising into the sky. For someone standing on the ground, it would have to rise very high before it could be seen. Given that the missile/rocket was also flying away from the land as it rose, it is possible it would have been too far away from the coast to be seen by a person on the ground - when it finally rose high enough to be seen from the ground.
4. One more time: missile/rocket launches are a fairly common occurance in Los Angeles. Some folks murmur about the funny contrails. Other folks never see them because they aren't outside when the missile is launched.
5. You guys know about this one because it was filmed and made visible on the internet. You don't know about the 10 other launches before this one, and so are not concerned about them. But they happened anyway. And life went on. Even though you didn't know about it.
"Not a Foreign Military Object" = A foreign military object.
Obviously, it is a military object. And, if it was U.S.-sourced, they would probably say so, even if it was an accident, so that people wouldn't think it was a foreign military object.
Good one, China!
No kidding. Those guys need to give themselves a pat on the back. That was one righteous prank for the ages.
Of course now we need to kick their butts all over the place. But that's just protocol. Nice work guys.
They where trying to float a story that it was an optical illusion and it was really an airplane that was flying at the time. I know complete BS, that was a rocket and if my airplane had that much smoke coming out of it's engines I would be telling the pilot to land and land quickly because we are on fire. They have to know where the rocket went because of the radar systems, and they would also know where it started because of it being detected once it came into the radar envelope. And for them to say that a private company may have done it and didn't warn the FAA and the other numerous federal agencies in regard to launching a rocket in airspace is ludicrous. And what private launch platform is 35 miles out off the coast of California. But what that mileage does say is that someone was making sure they where in international waters and here's the key, which direction did the rocket go.
If it went to the west or north west or southwest away from the US, it tells me that they wanted to demonstrate something to the US. One that they can get in close, two they have the capability to launch a submarine ICBM missile or missile, three they chosed to vear it off course into the ocean and four we can do it again with REAL warheads. I believe this was a submarine launch and it may have been China, in response to what has been happening in regard to our financial situation (QE2 and others).
Okay. That's really good. Now get yourself on the nightly news somehow because that message ain't getting any air time. And if you've summarized it correctly, someone out there is seriously ready to put a cap in our asses but good.
And for them to say that a private company may have done it and didn't warn the FAA and the other numerous federal agencies in regard to launching a rocket in airspace is ludicrous.
Here's a clue: the Fed Chairman chooses his words carefully because he knows the weight they carry. So do the spokespersons for the DoD. If they say that maybe a private company launched the missile, they mean it.
Defense systems destined for use by the DoD are built by, and tested by, private companies. All of them. Who fired this missile/rocket if it was a new system being tested? A private company.
There is a chain of islands lying north and south about 35 miles off of the coast of Los Angeles. The navy owns one of them. The waters off of most of them are designated as navy testing grounds. Airplanes flying into and out of LA know this.
It has been stated in another thread on this subject that the DoD and Japan are currently playing with each other. The U.S. is tossing something into the sky and Japan is shooting it down. They did this off the coast of Hawaii a few days ago. If they were doing this again off of the coast of LA, then it would most likely be the U.S. that fired the missile/rocket. Since DoD says it wasn't them, then we can read into their words that it was probably fired by a DoD contractor, a private company. This launch originated within an area that is specifically designated as a testing area for navy stuff. If it was launched from about 35 miles out to sea, and if it flew further out to sea (as seems to be the case), then it did not cross any of the airline flight paths into Los Angeles.
For those who are familiar with this stuff, this all is a non-event. For those who are not familiar with this stuff, this is much ado about nothing.
Maybe nothing more than an interplanetary central bank fx swap?
Some martian central banker in urgent need of dollars maybe?