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Pentagon Papers' Daniel Ellsberg And Other Ex-Intelligence Officers "See Plusses In WikiLeaks" Disclosures

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Update: Ellsberg's site is now back up. Below is the Press Release just sent out by Daniel Ellsberg:

Ex-Intelligence Officers, Others See Plusses in WikiLeaks Disclosures

WASHINGTON – December 7 – The following statement was released today,
signed by Daniel Ellsberg, Frank Grevil, Katharine Gun, David
MacMichael, Ray McGovern, Craig Murray, Coleen Rowley and Larry
Wilkerson; all are associated with Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in

WikiLeaks has teased the genie of transparency out of a very opaque
bottle, and powerful forces in America, who thrive on secrecy, are
trying desperately to stuff the genie back in. The people listed below
this release would be pleased to shed light on these exciting new

How far down the U.S. has slid can be seen, ironically enough, in a
recent commentary in Pravda (that’s right, Russia’s Pravda): “What
WikiLeaks has done is make people understand why so many Americans are
politically apathetic … After all, the evils committed by those in power
can be suffocating, and the sense of powerlessness that erupts can be
paralyzing, especially when … government evildoers almost always get
away with their crimes. …”

So shame on Barack Obama, Eric Holder, and all those who spew
platitudes about integrity, justice and accountability while allowing
war criminals and torturers to walk freely upon the earth. … the
American people should be outraged that their government has transformed
a nation with a reputation for freedom, justice, tolerance and respect
for human rights into a backwater that revels in its criminality,
cover-ups, injustices and hypocrisies.

Odd, isn’t it, that it takes a Pravda commentator to drive home the
point that the Obama administration is on the wrong side of history.
Most of our own media are demanding that WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange
be hunted down — with some of the more bloodthirsty politicians calling
for his murder. The corporate-and-government dominated media are
apprehensive over the challenge that WikiLeaks presents. Perhaps deep
down they know, as Dickens put it, “There is nothing so strong … as the
simple truth.”

As part of their attempt to blacken WikiLeaks and Assange, pundit
commentary over the weekend has tried to portray Assange’s exposure of
classified materials as very different from — and far less laudable than
— what Daniel Ellsberg did in releasing the Pentagon Papers in 1971.
Ellsberg strongly rejects the mantra “Pentagon Papers good; WikiLeaks
material bad.” He continues: “That’s just a cover for people who don’t
want to admit that they oppose any and all exposure of even the most
misguided, secretive foreign policy. The truth is that EVERY attack now
made on WikiLeaks and Julian Assange was made against me and the release
of the Pentagon Papers at the time.”

Motivation? WikiLeaks’ reported source, Army Pvt. Bradley Manning,
having watched Iraqi police abuses, and having read of similar and worse
incidents in official messages, reportedly concluded, “I was actively
involved in something that I was completely against.” Rather than simply
go with the flow, Manning wrote: “I want people to see the truth …
because without information you cannot make informed decisions as a
public,” adding that he hoped to provoke worldwide discussion, debates,
and reform.

There is nothing to suggest that WikiLeaks/Assange’s motives were any
different. Granted, mothers are not the most impartial observers. Yet,
given what we have seen of Assange’s behavior, there was the ring of
truth in Assange’s mother’s recent remarks in an interview with an
Australian newspaper. She put it this way: “Living by what you believe
in and standing up for something is a good thing. … He sees what he is
doing as a good thing in the world, fighting baddies, if you like.”

That may sound a bit quixotic, but Assange and his associates appear
the opposite of benighted. Still, with the Pentagon PR man Geoff Morrell
and even Attorney General Eric Holder making thinly disguised threats
of extrajudicial steps, Assange may be in personal danger.

The media: again, the media is key. No one has said it better than
Monseñor Romero of El Salvador, who just before he was assassinated 25
years ago warned, “The corruption of the press is part of our sad
reality, and it reveals the complicity of the oligarchy.” Sadly, that is
also true of the media situation in America today.

The big question is not whether Americans can “handle the truth.” We
believe they can. The challenge is to make the truth available to them
in a straightforward way so they can draw their own conclusions — an
uphill battle given the dominance of the mainstream media, most of which
have mounted a hateful campaign to discredit Assange and WikiLeaks.

So far, the question of whether Americans can “handle the truth” has
been an academic rather than an experience-based one, because Americans
have had very little access to the truth. Now, however, with the
WikiLeaks disclosures, they do. Indeed, the classified messages from the
Army and the State Department released by WikiLeaks are, quite
literally, “ground truth.”

How to inform American citizens? As a step in that direction, on
October 23 we “Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence” (see
below) presented our annual award for integrity to Julian Assange. He
accepted the honor “on behalf of our sources, without which WikiLeaks’
contributions are of no significance.” In presenting the award, we noted
that many around the world are deeply indebted to truth-tellers like
WikiLeaks and its sources.

Here is a brief footnote: Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in
Intelligence (SAAII) is a group of former CIA colleagues and other
admirers of former intelligence analyst Sam Adams, who hold up his
example as a model for those who would aspire to the courage to speak
truth to power. (For more, please see here.)

Sam did speak truth to power on Vietnam, and in honoring his memory,
SAAII confers an award each year to a truth-teller exemplifying Sam
Adams’ courage, persistence, and devotion to truth — no matter the
consequences. Previous recipients include:

-Coleen Rowley of the FBI
-Katharine Gun of British Intelligence
-Sibel Edmonds of the FBI
-Craig Murray, former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan
-Sam Provance, former Sgt., US Army
-Frank Grevil, Maj., Danish Army Intelligence
-Larry Wilkerson, Col., US Army (ret.)
-Julian Assange, WikiLeaks

“There is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, nothing hidden
that will not be made known. Everything you have said in the dark will
be heard in the daylight; what you have whispered in locked rooms will
be proclaimed from the rooftops.”
– Luke 12:2-3

The following former awardees and other associates have signed the above statement; some are available for interviews:

A former government analyst, Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers, a
secret government history of the Vietnam War to the New York Times and
other newspapers in 1971. He was an admirer of Sam Adams when they were
both working on Vietnam and in March 1968 disclosed to the New York
Times some of Adams’ accurate analysis, helping head off reinforcement
of 206,000 additional troops into South Vietnam and a widening of the
war at that time to neighboring countries.

Grevil, a former Danish intelligence analyst, was imprisoned for giving
the Danish press documents showing that Denmark’s Prime Minister (now
NATO Secretary General) disregarded warnings that there was no authentic
evidence of WMD in Iraq; in Copenhagen, Denmark.

Gun is a
former British government employee who faced two years imprisonment in
England for leaking a U.S. intelligence memo before the invasion of
Iraq. The memo indicated that the U.S. had mounted a spying “surge”
against U.N. Security Council delegations in early 2003 in an effort to
win approval for an Iraq war resolution. The leaked memo — published by
the British newspaper The Observer on March 2, 2003 — was big news in
parts of the world, but almost ignored in the United States. The U.S.
government then failed to obtain a U.N. resolution approving war, but
still proceeded with the invasion.

MacMichael is a former CIA analyst. He resigned in the 1980s when he
came to the conclusion that the CIA was slanting intelligence on Central
America for political reasons. He is a member of Veteran Intelligence
Professionals for Sanity.

McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years, whose duties included preparing
and briefing the President’s Daily Brief and chairing National
Intelligence Estimates. He is on the Steering Group of Veteran
Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

Murray, former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, was fired from his job when
he objected to Uzbeks being tortured to gain “intelligence” on
“terrorists.” Upon receiving his Sam Adams award, Murray said, “I would
rather die than let someone be tortured in an attempt to give me some
increment of security.” Observers have noted that Murray was subjected
to similar character assassination techniques as Julian Assange is now
encountering to discredit him.

Rowley, a former FBI Special Agent and Division Counsel whose May 2002
memo described some of the FBI’s pre-9/11 failures, was named one of
Time Magazine’s “Persons of the Year” in 2002. She recently co-wrote a
Los Angeles Times op-ed titled, “WikiLeaks
and 9/11: What if? Frustrated investigators might have chosen to leak
information that their superiors bottled up, perhaps averting the
terrorism attacks

Wilkerson, Col., U.S. Army (ret.), former chief of staff to Secretary
Colin Powell at the State Department, who criticized what he called the
“Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal.” See recent interviews

For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy:
Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; or David Zupan, (541) 484-9167


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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:41 | 789230 Gimp
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Cyber warfare..bring it on bitchez and welcome to the 21st century.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:43 | 789235 Tense INDIAN
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Tyler ...dont u wanna post this from ur Favourite Gonzalo Lira :

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:12 | 789327 cougar_w
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One point of clarification: WikiLeaks are NOT hackers.

Hacking is actually illegal in many instances. Especially if it involves unauthorized entry into systems.

WikiLeaks is journalism. People hand them stuff and they post it. How the original holder came to possess the material is largely irrelevant and in no case makes WikiLeaks a bunch of hackers.

If WikiLeaks are hackers, then Tyler Durden is a hacker. Follow me?

Please spread this distinction into other fora, it is actually extremely important.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:19 | 789353 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:01 | 789490 Thanatos
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Lira hits it on the head with that article.

I am waiting to see his conclusions in Part 2 of the Article.

ZH's Reporting on this issue is surprising to me, they seem to be following the same script that the MSM is following with respect to WL.

That is not what I expected from ZH, but not earth shattering.

I kinda expected this crowd to run the opposite direction from the MSM herd, there are a few that go against the grain, but by no means a majority of the posters in these WL articles. Maybe MANY of the ZH folks are not even reading the WL stuff and only the idiots like me are in here.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:51 | 789695 Rula Lenska
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"Maybe MANY of the ZH folks are not even reading the WL stuff..."

Nailhead, meet hammer.  I would add that it's not limited to just the ZH "folk"; sadly most "discussions" of import these days are merely regurgitations of others' comments/speculations/gossip, creating an endless echo chamber of empty rhetoric.  Very little of what is said relates in any meaningful way to the actual substance of the issue at hand.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:21 | 789357 YHC-FTSE
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:44 | 789415 DaveyJones
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Wikileaks are not hackers and it's our government who has leaked information to deliberately endanger property and personnel

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:58 | 789473 Pegasus Muse
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I wonder who is behind the cyberterrorist attacks against Wikileaks that shut their site down.  I wonder who coerced who in order to shut down mirror sites in Europe?  I wonder what government conspired with Great Britian to falsely detain Asange on trumpted up "rape" charges by a known intelligence operative now hiding in Isreal?   I wonder ....

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:48 | 789439 xenophobe51
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Absolutely correct. WikiLeaks are NOT hackers.


Julian Assange was a hacker when he was a 16-year-old boy (under the name 'Mendax'). It was his passionate hobby and he got in trouble for it.


From WikiPedia:

"Assange wrote down the early rules of the subculture: 'Don’t damage computer systems you break into (including crashing them); don’t change the information in those systems (except for altering logs to cover your tracks); and share information'...

"Assange later commented, 'It's a bit annoying, actually. Because I cowrote a book about [being a hacker], there are documentaries about that, people talk about that a lot. They can cut and paste. But that was 20 years ago. It's very annoying to see modern day articles calling me a computer hacker. I'm not ashamed of it, I'm quite proud of it. But I understand the reason they suggest I'm a computer hacker now. There's a very specific reason.'"

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:16 | 789564 cougar_w
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I was a hacker. Now I'm an instructor, fiction writer and I work in a network security firm.

Fortunately I am not famous and I am not a threat to our criminal overlord class. At the moment.

You had a point but I'm not sure what it was.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:38 | 789655 xenophobe51
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Just pointing out that Mr. Assange once had a harmless hobby that TPTB use to unfairly discredit the WikiLeaks organization with.


Julian.Assange() != WikiLeaks();

if var.Julian.Assange.currentAge == 16 {

    Julian.Assange() = 'hacker';


    Julian.Assange() != 'hacker';


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 22:34 | 791232 DaveyJones
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:07 | 789520 Thanatos
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People who like to understand how the systems they use (or are used by) work.

People who like to "modify" anything to improve it's perfromance or adapt it to better suit their purpose(s).

People who like to create solutions to problems.


Safe Crackers

Password Crackers

Encryption Crackers


Wikileaks "Helper Hackers":

Script Kiddies using canned DDOS apps gleaned from other Kiddies at 4chan.

They are 14 years old and have never had an original thought in their life.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:47 | 789240 SheepDog-One
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But how can you just shoot down innocent websites??

Its EASY man! Just dont lead em so much.

YouTube - Get Some!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:46 | 789244 Flounder
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"[to the Wicked Witch of the West] Ha, ha, ha! Rubbish! You have no power here. Now begone — before someone drops a house on you, too!"

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:11 | 789251 hugovanderbubble
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Estimated Tyler:


which banks do u humble think are the TWO wikileaked ones?

Maybe BAC and C?

C and JPM?

JPM and GS?

JPM & HSBC...?


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:15 | 789339 cougar_w
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By January, it will be more than two.

Hence the delay in the release; "Send us your dirt and you get in on the blow up and get some cover too."

Nice little tactic.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:52 | 789261 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Brilliant article, but I will wait to judge Assange by whatever Bank docs he releases.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:53 | 789262 jimgcpa
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The US is no worse than any country in the world.  All governments are evil.  

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:03 | 789285 karzai_luver
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Sorry , When Cuba or France hits my block with a Jdam I may give you some run,now,Nope.

The only thing worse than a gvt that oppresses its own is one that feels it knows what is best for others who have no say in the elites who rule them.

If all gvts are evil then we should at the least not prop up other gvts,right?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:02 | 789293 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Federal governments are now fascist (and have been for a long while), and these corporate sponsored entities are evil by nature due to their selfish behavior.  There is zero benefit for the people of the earth to be used and abused by these entities.  The only thing that keeps people continuing this paradigm, in my opinion, is sadistic and masochistic behavior. 

The TSA workers who follow the new standards of procedure is an example of sadism.  The income tax is an example of masochism, because the Federal Income Tax is illegal and it strips workers of their living wage.  Too bad few people read Sartre.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:07 | 789309 cougar_w
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:36 | 789396 Amish Hacker
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L'enfer est les autres...

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:12 | 789277 iDealMeat
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Anyone else hear that massive sucking sound? It's terabytes of traffic leaving MSM sites in search of truth.. All that missed ad revenue is gonna hurt..

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:59 | 789286 Bigger Dickus
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Expect this to be the intermediate top in euro terms for the next 4 months.


The short squeeze to $300 will have to wait.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:10 | 789289 Dr. Acula
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"people should be outraged that their government has transformed a nation... into a backwater that revels in its criminality, cover-ups, injustices and hypocrisies."

But this is inevitable. Governments - i.e. organizations that depend on revenues obtained through threat of violence against innocent people - are inherently criminal. And it is impossible for government to redeem itself by spending the stolen money on the fictitious "public good": there is no means to compare or to sum the subjective valuations of different people.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:10 | 789540 xenophobe51
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Indeed. And look how far down the rabbit hole it goes:

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:40 | 789663 Dr. Acula
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I know your linked-to-story is meant to be shocking, but it didn't work on me. Neither child labor nor pimps nor prostitution necessarily involves victimization. See chapters 1, 2, and 32 here:

There is no clear victim in the story other than the taxpayers - who were victimized at the time the tax funds were collected under duress.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:00 | 789290 lsbumblebee
Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:03 | 789295 jkruffin
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"It's not the war information that worries the US, it's the information about the big banks.

This excerpt tells it all.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:07 | 789306 karzai_luver
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The banks would be nothing if the murderous actions that are still concealed would be rubbed in the faces of the consumers.

Of course they would need to be awake and wishing to know.

THAT will not be allowed.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:06 | 789300 cougar_w
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If democracy in America can be torn from the grasp of the neoFascist oligarch corporatocracy, we can thank a foreigner for it.

I am an American and we totally suck at democracy.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:12 | 789331 Dr. Acula
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What makes you think democracy will magically solve the problems? Is it not part of the problem?


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:20 | 789355 cougar_w
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Democracy has problems yes, but it beats the alternatives. Nor does it have to solve problems magically, that fallacy is what allows people to sit back and let the oligarchs take over. The big problem with democracy is you cannot force people to pay attention and give a damn. Greed takes over fairly quickly, since money is its own reward. We're seeing now that democracy probably cannot survive greed, just as others have foretold. That if true would be an interesting lesson learned.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:23 | 789366 IrishSamurai
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Democracy cannot survive because ...

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years." - Alexis de Tocqueville

More a desire of a refutation of TINSTAAFL than greed ...

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:35 | 789393 cougar_w
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Oh that's right, I forgot. Greed is good.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:39 | 789403 IrishSamurai
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Have fun on the yellow brick road with Dorothy ...

Obvious troll is obvious.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:09 | 789530 cougar_w
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I've been around here far too long to be a mere troll. I'm an agent provocateur.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:25 | 789370 Dr. Acula
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"Democracy has problems yes, but it beats the alternatives."

Where is your proof? Note that parroting platitudes learned in collectivist child concentration camps doesn't qualify as proof.

Democracy does excel at providing people with security; specifically, securing people in ovens.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:34 | 789391 cougar_w
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Transparently absurd. Enjoy your private nightmare.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:20 | 789805 ronin12
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All good until you got to the ovens part.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:18 | 789351 IrishSamurai
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Good thing we suck at democracy ... the U.S. is representative Republic ...


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:23 | 789365 cougar_w
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Details details.

I'm claiming prior art; I'm not the only one calls it that.

Maybe we're getting closer to becoming a true democracy and that's the real problem. Maybe in fact that is the cause of all the panic from the top. Their control ... slipping away ...

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:27 | 789377 IrishSamurai
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Maybe we're getting closer to becoming a true democracy and that's the real problem.

Spot on.  We're becoming a nation ruled by the mob ignorance ... explains our previous and current figureheads (W and O) ... as well as folks like Charlie Rangel getting elected to 20 consecutive Congressional terms ...

Only way to fix this problem is to get back to what the founders intended ... government is a part-time job, pays jack, and term limits (forced retirement when voluntary retirement is no longer desired) ...

Problem is that our populace is too stupid to understand the benefits of these changes and they'll never happen.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:36 | 789397 cougar_w
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You had me worried there for a moment. But now I see you do indeed get it.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:08 | 789525 LFMayor
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+1  and you did it without making fun of Kids Kohna.  I had to put that in.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:21 | 789808 ronin12
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I would say we are ruled by the corporate oligarchy that is enabled by mob ignorance.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:03 | 789499 LFMayor
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We're a constitutional republic... a representative democracy.  This flight to true democracy is exactly how the upper echelon leeches have gamed the system, edging towards the "one pulse, one vote" while buying votes from the numerous lower echelon leeches with free cheese, 99+ weeks of funemployment and vans for the youth "Kids Kohna" activity centers.

Governments are just as susceptible to Pournelle's Iron Law and the next bureaocracy... even the finest eventually merely exist to sustain and expand themselves.

And then there's something about washing the feet of the tree of liberty with Keystone Light...  you know what I mean.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:07 | 789310 chet
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Tyler, all these posts about Wall Street are really just getting in the way of your breathless Julian Ass-Hinge ticker.  Why not just switch your format over completely?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:45 | 789423 cougar_w
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Now now, remember this became a hot item when the banks fell in the cross-hairs.

It's getting interesting now!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:52 | 789454 DaveyJones
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and information control is irrelevant to our current economic state?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:09 | 789319 Clint Liquor
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The NYT published 'leaked' information about top secret CIA prisons in foreign countries, top secret methods of monitoring calls coming into the USA from Pakistan, etc., the Abu Ghraib photos for 48 consecutive days on the front page (which were arguably the greatest jihad recruiting tool ever) and many more. All of these put US personnel in jeopardy and embarrassed our Allies. Assange gets prison and the NYT get Pulitzers? WTF?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:36 | 789395 karzai_luver
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You are drunk. I hope!

You do realize that the people who were being violated did not need the NYT to know what was going down!

Only blind serfs like you were ignorant of these actions.

What a clown.

You do realize that other torture centers were/are operating that didn't make the NYT?

Are those recruiting centers or they don't count since your emasculated press doesn't have a spine to run them?

Have you EVER left your basement or put down your COD controller?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:56 | 789467 gmrpeabody
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Me thinks you missed his point. One man's villian is another's hero. Had the NYT embarrassed and exposed say, a TBTF banking cartel, well.., we might had seen government thinking about regulating the major news agencies as opposed to just web based bloggers.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 17:06 | 789798 Clint Liquor
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I fully supported the printing of those leaks by the NYT, Asshole!

Tell me the difference between Assange and the NYT and leave your partisan bullshit behind!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:49 | 789443 gmrpeabody
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+900 billion

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:16 | 789344 crosey
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Nothing new under the sun.  The masses feeling powerless to TPTB?  Been happening for centuries, then you get a revolution and new PTB, and the masses eventually return to feeling powerless.

But the truth always comes out, eventually, and upsets apple-carts.

Assange is not a hero, just a super investigative cyber-journalist.  Today he's a celebrity, tomorrow people will forget his name.  Without information, Wikileaks has nothing of value to offer.

Pfc. Manning is on ice for now.  But, he has committed treason, pure and simple.  He is no hero, just a spoiled child looking for attention.  He'll get it.  He should be imprisoned for life with no parole, if found guilty after a court martial.  So should the ilk PTB.  They are no less guilty for selling the US down the river.

Too bad treason, in all of its forms, has lost its high price.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:46 | 789428 karzai_luver
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Normally treason would be AFTER a court hearing and judgment

Too bad the understanding of a patriot has lost it's menaing and been replaced by consumer.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:23 | 789364 Stuart
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none of it matters as long as American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, Keeping up with the Kardashians etc... and the weekly trip to Walmart are unimpeded.   Oh ya, and make sure we have cheap gas too.   The world, Washington corruption, pffft, hey a new Reggie J video.....     

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:29 | 789619 LFMayor
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sho nuff.  Gonna have to get them pist to get any kinetics.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:29 | 789380 Cone of Uncertainty
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"You wanted to know who I am, Zero Cool? Well, let me explain the New World Order. Governments and corporations need people like you and me. We are Samurai... the Keyboard Cowboys... and all those other people who have no idea what's going on are the cattle... Moooo."

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 21:13 | 791054 Kali
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Yup. I betcha you could broadcast, live,  these sociopaths raping their grandmothers while eating live kittens and puppies and "the people" wouldn't lift their duffs off the couch.  We live in a sociopathic society.  It has become so desensitized to violence and corruption, it doesn't raise their BP even one point. (Stole that from Silence of Lambs).   Until they get hungry, nothing will happen.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:30 | 789382 cougar_w
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 Ellsberg strongly rejects the mantra “Pentagon Papers good; WikiLeaks material bad.”

And who is leading this revisionist charge into battle against WikiLeaks? MSM outlets of course. I even heard last week a lawyer who had helped defend the NYTimes in 1971 say that the NYTimes was covered by journalist protections when they published the Pentagon Papers, but WikiLeaks probably is not.

Serve your master, I guess.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:33 | 789389 lincolnsteffens
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Important State secrets like troop movements, fighting capabilities and advanced technology need to be protected. Secret agreements which lives depend on need to be protected. I've been around long enough to have witnessed the criminal abuses of the US and State governments during the 60s and 70s. The current  period is by far the worst with gross criminal activity permeated throughout a broader range of private and public culpability.

Mr. Assange is to be applauded for his courage in pulling the curtain aside and letting the sun in. The US probably has the most dis-informed populace at any time. For those that are trying to understand and make informed choices in their lives Assange is far more help than hindrance. I hope the big bank corruption promised for release will do more than just hurt banking criminals. I hope there is a trail right to the political assistance that has made this plague on the world possible.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:00 | 789489 gmrpeabody
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Someone gets it!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:15 | 789533 Dr. Acula
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"The current period is by far the worst with gross criminal activity"

Are you sure? What about president Roosevelt's outright theft of private property (gold) in the 30's? What about when president Truman nuked a whole bunch of children? What about when president Lincoln murdered a bunch of people to deprive states of their Constitutional right to secede?


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:16 | 789568 iDealMeat
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+1  ..  but keep your eye on the content. not the mouth piece or messenger.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:36 | 789394 Thanatos
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Wow. There is a lot of cred being put behind these messages.

With how much the world has changed in just the last 5 years with respect to the Intel world, I must repectfully point out that this collection of people, although undeniably pedigreed, are hardly up to date or even relevent in the current affairs occuring within the Intel communities.

Their Opinion is not something I would simply discount, but I am mindful of the fact that these are all "Ex" Intel, and have been for many years.

There is a "New School" of thinking in these agencies now and I am not so sure how "plugged in" to that new mechanism these folks are.

Please factor that into your considerations.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:42 | 789412 karzai_luver
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Really, "New School" , ok I will bite, run it for me.

I wish to understand, go ahead run it.............

Maybe I am out of touch while still in touch?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:49 | 789444 cougar_w
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That while perhaps true was a bit vague. Everything is so changed as that? I'll hazard a guess that the goals of spying, info-war, propaganda and secrecy haven't changed a whole lot since the writings of Sun Tsu. The tools might have changed a bit, but the game remains the same.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:54 | 789461 DaveyJones
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you said it

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:20 | 789583 iDealMeat
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exactly..  people lying, cheating, and stealing..  same as it ever was.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:29 | 789618 Thanatos
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Yes, the Game is the same (or played on the same field anyway).

If were a football coach in the 50s and then got placed in the NFL of 2010, do you think you would understand what is going on?

Yes, you would know the ball has to go down there and cross the line for a TD, 10 yds for a 1st down. You would be shocked about everything else.

From the plays being used, to the strength and speed of modern players, to the cheerleaders, to the technology, the division of labor, etc.

The owners have all changed, the structures of power are all changed.

So yeah, the old guys know football. They would also get killed instantly when they tried those old plays too.

That should help you understand what I am illustrating.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:54 | 789944 Vergeltung
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excellent analogy.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 22:36 | 791241 DaveyJones
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but more than anything else, the salaries

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 22:58 | 791279 Kali
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:48 | 789440 ArrestBobRubin
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Wow, you seem to accept the exceptionally naive and badly out of date interpretation of Ellsberg as hero for "leaking" the so-called Pentagon Papers. It was a leading intel limited hangout op at the time, with Dan Ellsberg in the Assange role. Dan Ellsberg is no friend of the truth and no friend of the USA. I'm not talking about opposition to 'Nam, that was just the enabler to use selectively leaked info to further various agendas and causes.

The sets and actors change, but the go-to tactics employed by the global financial oligarchy in Engineering Consent of the masses to their plans mostly stay the same. Look into Assange's background, think about how Wikileaks has been left alone while other sites have been shut down almost immediately, and for far less reason. The whole thing is a sponsored operation. As always, as the "revelations" get reported and  amplified through the mind-fuck media, ask this: who benefits? who does not?

I find it hard to believe that so many who are so aware and have been burned so many times before (and know it), are seemingly taking the bait once again in yet another pretty obvious PsyOp perpetrated on the world by the PTB. As we've often said here, we're now living in Ponzi World. Exactly what makes anyone think Assange and Wikileaks isn't fugazy as well?

It's just the latest sleight of hand my friends. Another ugly milepost on the way to where all this is going.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:34 | 789851 Village Idiot
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...and fuck the penatgon.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:40 | 789875 gerd
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now playing, The Ben Bernank in A Few Good Men-

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:51 | 789933 weyes1
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The challenge is to make the truth available to them in a straightforward way... 

 Our only hope: The Cartoonists.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 21:12 | 791052 Mercury
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Pravda: So shame on Barack Obama, Eric Holder, and all those who spew platitudes about integrity, justice and accountability while allowing war criminals and torturers to walk freely upon the earth. [my emphasis]

So what? The U.S. should be the world's policeman?  You find the U.N. somewhat lacking in this area? Is this backhanded approval for taking out Saddam Hussein?

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