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Pentagon Papers Whistleblowers and Congressman Call for a New 9/11 Investigation
The two main players in releasing the Pentagon Papers were Daniel Ellsberg and United States Senator Mike Gravel.
Senator Gravel is the person who read the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record. This act made the papers public record, so that they could not be censored by the government. He was the only member of Congress courageous enough to do so.
Both Ellsberg and Gravel - like many other high-level former officials in the government and intelligence services (including many well-known whistleblowers) - support a new 9/11 investigation. Ellsberg says that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". (Here's some of what that whistleblower says.) He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11.
And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of those in office, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath (see this and this).
Gravel is now backing a California ballot initiative for a new 9/11 investigation. The text of the initiative is below.
The initiative would actually help support the 9/11 Commission and fulfill the desire of the 9/11 Commissioners. Specifically, the Commission was severely underfunded:
- The government spent $175 million investigating the Challenger space shuttle disaster.
- It spent $152 million on the the Columbia disaster investigation.
- It spent $30 million investigating the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
- But the government only authorized $15 million for the 9/11 Commission.
Moreover, many 9/11 Commissioners said they never completed the investigation:
- 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.
- Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." . He also says that he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking, and that it might take "a permanent 9/11 commission" to end the remaining mysteries of September 11.
- And 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America."
The initiative would allow deeper questions to be asked about 9/11, allow the 9/11 debate to continue, investigate the remaining mysteries of 9/11, and help to get to the full story, as the 9/11 Commissioners themselves want. (The Commissioners haven't yet read the initiative).
The initiative is unusual because it would allow other state governments, and even local governments, within California or any other state, two different options to officially express support for the new commission’s investigation pursuant to the initiative’s terms. Under the first option, a state or local government could enter a joint powers agreement with the commission to join the investigation and to share resources with the commission. Under the second option, a state or local government could endorse the efforts of the commission, at no cost to the state or local government, merely by the governing body of that state or local government passing an official resolution expressly supporting the commission’s investigation.
The initiative is also unusual because it goes the extra mile to ensure that the investigation will not be compromised by political considerations like the 9/11 Commission and the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission were. Specifically, it amends the state constitution to name Senator Gravel as the initial director and ensures that commissioners are appointed on the basis of their qualifications, and not political considerations. The initiative would name former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney as the initial director if Gravel is unable to serve in that capacity.
This sounds very odd at first, but a lawyer formerly with California's Office of Legislative Counsel - who drafted the initiative on behalf of Senator Gravel - states that these provisions are legally sound, and that an initiative that amends the state constitution in this manner would require 807,615 signatures to be placed on the ballot, rather than 504,760 signatures (the amount normally required to put a statutory initiative on the ballot). He states that California’s Office of Legislative Counsel vetted the entire initiative and did not find its amendments to the state constitution legally problematic.
In other words, the constitutional amendment would not be as big a deal as it initially seems, as at the end of the day, it would only mean getting an additional three hundred thousand signatures in a state of 40 million.
Former U.S. Congressman Dan Hamburg from California - legendary for his role in helping to preserve the Headwaters Forest - supports the initiative. Hamburg is in a unique position to support the initiative, as he is now serving as a county supervisor for Mendocino County. With his unique background in the U.S. Congress and local government, Hamburg supports the fact that the initiative allows governments at the local and state level to support a full and complete investigation.
Lawyers for 9/11 Truth also supports the initiative in principle. That organization includes such well-known legal scholars as:
- Ferdinando Imposimato, Honorary President of the Supreme Court of Italy. Former Senior Investigative Judge, Italy. Presided over numerous terrorism-related cases
- Burns H. Weston, Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and Founding Director and Senior Scholar, Center for Human Rights, The University of Iowa, Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American Journal of International Law
- Andreas Von Bülow, former Assistant German Defense Minister (the number two German defense position), former Minister of Research and Technology, and a former member of the German Parliament
- Constance Fogal, former leader, Canadian Action Party
- J. Michael Springmann, former diplomat in the State Department's Foreign Service, with postings to Germany, India, Saudi Arabia, and the Bureau of Intelligence and Research in Washington, D.C. He was the head of the U.S. consular official in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, and is the published author of several articles on national security themes
Here is the draft initiative, with commentary:
(The following is the text of the California Initiative measure creating a new 9/11 investigative commission to be submitted directly to the voters at the general election in November 2012, with comments within ( ) for clarity. By law the title and summary of an initiative are required to be written by the Attorney General of California after the initiative is officially filed with the state government.)
(A suggested title)
The 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission Act
(A suggested summary)
This measure would establish within state government the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission in order to conduct a citizen-based, comprehensive, and truly independent investigation into events relating to the attacks of September 11, 2001. The measure would:
(1) Grant the commission all investigatory powers of the state, including the power of subpoena;
(2) Authorize the commission to enter into a joint powers agreement with any public entity within the United States and to exercise any investigatory power of any of the contracting powers in conducting the investigation;
(3) Amend the California Constitution to appoint former United States Senator Mike Gravel as the initial Director of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission, and in his absence Representative Cynthia McKinney, to ensure the political independence of the commission from government interference through the appointment process, and to provide the commission credibility with respect to the transparency of its operations;
(4) Appropriate an amount equal to $0.50 per resident of the state from the General Fund to the director to conduct and administrate the investigation;
(5) Specify conditions governing its future amendment; and
(6) Provide that if a provision of the measure is held invalid, that provision’s invalidity will not render the remainder of the measure invalid.
(The Preamble)
TO THE HONORABLE SECRETARY OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA
We, the undersigned, registered, qualified voters of California, residents of ____ County (or City and County), hereby propose amendments to the Constitution of California and the Code, and petition the Secretary of State to submit the same to the voters of California for their adoption or rejection at the next succeeding general election or at any special statewide election held prior to that general election or otherwise provided by law. (The “official summary date,” the date that the Attorney General sends the title and summary for the initiative measure to the proponent, is also the date that the Secretary of State will use to determine the calendar deadlines applicable to the measure. All requisite signatures must be received within 150 days of the official summary date. The requisite number of signatures and other qualifications for placement on the November 2, 2012 Presidential General Election ballot must be met at least 131 days before that election—May 24, 2012.) The proposed constitutional amendments read as follows:
SECTION 1. This act shall be known and may be cited as the 9/11 Citizens
Investigation Commission Act.
(A declaration of facts that warrant the enactment of the initiative by the voters.)
SECTION 2. The people of the State of California find and declare all of the
following:
(a) The events of September 11, 2001, have had a profound effect on the economic, social, and cultural well-being of Californians, and of all citizens of the United States.
(1) In the wake of that tragic day, the United States entered into the War on Terror, the War in Afghanistan, and the Iraq War. Vast amounts of the blood and treasure of the American people have been spent fighting these ongoing wars. Over 5,800 American military personnel have lost their lives in the War on Terror, and over 40,000 have been wounded. In addition, innumerable innocent civilians have also lost their lives in the War on Terror. According to a September 2, 2010, report by the federal Congressional Research Service, the cumulative total for funds appropriated in the War on Terror was $1,121,000,000,000.
(2) Since September 11, 2001, the civil liberties of Californians and other Americans have been drastically curtailed, and fundamental rights guaranteed by the United States Bill of Rights have been under attack. Government actions under the USA PATRIOT Act (Public Law 107-56), enacted on October 26, 2001, have trampled civil liberties and fundamental rights by, among other things, purportedly authorizing increased espionage against innocent United States citizens, and the indefinite detention of certain prisoners without charge.
(3) Since September 11, 2001, the federal government has decimated essential liberties of its citizens in the name of temporary safety, and this way of thinking has reached an absurd extent, in that suspicionless, systematic assault on its citizens has become a policy of the federal government. In November 2010, the Transportation Security Administration, an agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security, began implementing additional screening procedures for air travelers, including the use of invasive back-scatter X-ray scans that display nude images of the person scanned, and extensive patdowns that include the touching of the chest, genitals, and buttocks of the person inspected.
(b) Beyond these profound effects on the well-being of Californians and all United States citizens, there are other wide-ranging and substantial considerations that support the need for further investigation into the events of September 11, 2001:
(1) A false flag operation is one designed to deceive so that the operation appears as though it was carried out by another entity, rather than the actual operator, in order to foster a clandestine political effect. The history of the United States is littered with instances of the alleged use of false flag operations, especially as pretext for war or to forward a pro-war agenda. These instances include, among others, the invasion of Mexico in 1846, the sinking of the U.S.S. Maine on February 18, 1898, the sinking of the RMS Lusitania on May 7, 1915, the second Gulf of Tonkin incident claimed to have occurred on August 4, 1964, and the purported existence of weapons of mass destruction as the rationale for the invasion of Iraq in March of 2003.
(2) World Trade Center Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper that was part of the World Trade Center complex, collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, and proffered explanations for the building’s failure have been widely disputed. To date, over 1,400 architectural and engineering professionals, and over 10,000 other individuals, have signed a petition, addressed to Members of the House of Representatives and the Senate of the United States of America, demanding “a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7.”
(3) In the aftermath of September 11, 2001, the federal government established the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, also known as the 9/11 Commission, to prepare a full and complete account of, and to report on the circumstances surrounding, the attacks. However, the 9/11 Commission has been widely criticized for lacking sufficient political independence or legal authority to discharge its duties. In their book, which was co-written after the conclusion of the commission’s work, “Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission,” the commission’s Chairman, Republican Thomas H. Kean, and its Vice Chairman, Democrat Lee H. Hamilton, asserted their belief that the commission had been designed to fail. The collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 was not addressed in the 9/11 Commission’s final report.
(c) The State of California is an appropriate government entity to initiate, and to provide the legal basis for, a citizens’ investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. Californians were among those who died in the attacks of that infamous day, and many more Californians have subsequently died fighting in the War on Terror, the War in Afghanistan, and the Iraq War. Furthermore, alleged terrorist conspirators trained in California to carry out the events of September 11, 2001. Historically, California has been an economic and political leader among the states, and events relating to September 11, 2001, have drastically affected the economics and politics of both California and the country at large. For all these reasons, the initiation of a citizens’ investigation into the events of September 11, 2001, is an urgent matter of statewide concern.
(d) In order to ensure the political independence of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission from government interference through the appointment process, and to provide the commission credibility with respect to the transparency of its operations, former United States Senator Mike Gravel shall serve as the initial director of the commission and, if Senator Gravel is unable to serve as the initial director, former Member of the United States House of Representatives Cynthia McKinney shall serve in that capacity.
(e)We, the people of the State of California, in solidarity with all citizens of the United States, direct the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission, a new investigatory commission created by this act, to conduct a citizen-based, comprehensive, and truly independent investigation into events relating to the attacks of September 11, 2001.
(This section is the amendment to the Constitution.)
SECTION 3. Section 12 of Article II of the California Constitution is amended to
read:
(a) No amendment to the Constitution, and no statute proposed to the electors by the Legislature or by initiative, that names any individual to hold any office, or names or identifies any private corporation to perform any function or to have any power or duty, may be submitted to the electors or have any effect.
(The underlined text is the addition of new text to the Constitution.)
(b) The prohibition set forth in subdivision (a) of this section shall not apply to the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission established pursuant to Chapter 9.6 (commencing with Section 8775) of Division 1 of Title 2 of the Government Code, in order to ensure the commission’s independence and to prevent federal or state government interference in its investigation or proceedings to the maximum extent allowed under the Constitution of the United States and this Constitution.
SECTION 4. Section 1 of Article VII of the California Constitution is amended to read:
(a) The civil service includes every officer and employee of the State except as otherwise provided in this Constitution.
(b) In the civil service permanent appointment and promotion shall be made under a general system based on merit ascertained by competitive examination.
(c) This section shall not apply to an officer or employee of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission.
(The text below: Sections 5 to 8 comprise the new law added to the code by the initiative.)
SECTION 5. Section 6537 is added to the Government Code, to read:
6537. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, consistent with the United States Constitution, the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission, established pursuant to Section 8775, may enter into a joint powers agreement with any public entity within the United States, including, but not limited to, another state, a United States territory, a local government within this state, another state, or a United States territory, or an agency of the federal government, and the commission may exercise any investigatory power of any of the contracting powers to carry out the requirements of Chapter 9.6 (commencing with Section 8775) of Division 1 of Title 2.
SECTION 6. Chapter 9.6 (commencing with Section 8775) is added to Division 1
of Title 2 of the Government Code, to read:
Chapter 9.6. 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission
SECTION 8775.
The 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission is hereby created in state government as an independent commission for the purpose of investigating events relating to September 11, 2001. It is the intent of the residents of the State that the commission not be subject to state executive or legislative branch control, and that the state not interfere with the investigation or proceedings of the commission. The federal government is likewise requested to not interfere with commission activities.
SECTION 8776.
(a) The commission shall impartially and objectively investigate the
events of, leading up to, and in the aftermath of September 11, 2001, as those events relate to the economic, social, and cultural well-being of the residents of California, those under the jurisdiction of a public entity that enters into the joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537, or those under the jurisdiction of a public entity that endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8782.
(1) The investigation shall include, but not be limited to, the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City, the attack on the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, the crash of Flight 93 at Shanksville, Pennsylvania, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the Global War on Terror.
(2) The investigation shall consider the content and findings of previous
investigations into the events of, leading up to, or the aftermath of September 11, 2001, including, but not limited to, any work product of the federal 9/11 Commission or the “Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001” conducted by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
(3) The investigation shall consider perceived shortcomings or weaknesses in the report created by the federal 9/11 Commission, including, but not limited to, any scientific weaknesses or shortcomings.
(4) The investigation shall conclude within five years of the operative date of the act that added this chapter.
(b) Upon the conclusion of its investigation, the commission shall produce a report for issuance to the Governor, the members of the Senate Committee on Rules, the Speaker of the Assembly, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and to each public entity that enters into the joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537 or endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8782. The report shall identify all of the following:
(1) Any indication of criminal activity warranting prosecution. If the criminal activity identified may constitute a war crime or a crime against humanity, the commission shall report that criminal activity and its apparent perpetrators, as identified in the report to the International Criminal Court.
(2) Any individual or corporation that profited unduly from the events investigated by the commission.
(3) Any other relevant malfeasance, and the apparent perpetrators, if any, of that malfeasance.
SECTION 8777.
(a) In conducting its investigation, the commission shall have, and may exercise, all investigatory powers of the state, including, but not limited to, the power of subpoena. In addition, the commission may exercise any investigatory power that is lawfully granted to it pursuant to a joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537, or is lawfully granted to it by a public entity that endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8782.
(b) The scope of the commission’s investigatory powers shall be interpreted broadly.
(c) Section 8101 shall not apply to any compact or agreement entered into by the commission.
SECTION 8778.
(a) The commission shall be led by the Director of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission, who shall serve as the commission’s chief executive officer and be responsible for administrating the investigation and proceedings of the commission. Due to his unique credibility on issues of government transparency, former United States Senator Mike Gravel shall serve as the initial director of the commission. If Senator Gravel is unable to serve as the initial director, because of her unique credibility on issues of government transparency former Member of the United States House of Representatives Cynthia McKinney shall serve in that capacity. If the initial director or a subsequent director is removed from the commission pursuant to paragraph (4) of subdivision (a) of Section 8780, the commission shall elect a new director as provided in that paragraph.
(b) The director shall serve as chairperson of the commission and govern the public proceedings of the commission.
(c) As the chief executive officer of the commission, the director shall have plenary power over, and be solely accountable for, the fiscal operations of the commission. The director shall allocate the commission’s funding to discharge its objectives in the most efficient and effective manner possible.
SECTION 8779.
(a) The director may employ staff as the director determines necessary to discharge the duties of the commission.
(b) (1) Subject to the advice and consent of the commission, the director shall appoint a Special Investigator who shall be responsible for conducting the investigation and compiling the report. The Special Investigator shall report directly to the director, and shall follow up on the directives of, and report his or her findings to, the commission.
(2) The Special Investigator shall serve at the pleasure of the commission. The commission may remove the Special Investigator if a majority of the commission votes in favor of removal. If the commission removes the Special Investigator, the director shall appoint a replacement in the manner specified in paragraph (1).
(3) All other staff of the commission shall be at-will employees, and shall serve at the pleasure of the director.
(c) An employee of the commission shall be compensated for his or her employment, if at all, in a manner consistent with the compensation practices of the state with respect to the employees of state advisory bodies.
(d) Each employee of the commission shall execute the following oath or
affirmation of office as a condition of his or her service: “I, (name), hereby swear or affirm that I will, to the best of my ability, defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the State of California, and the principle of truth in governance in investigating the events of, leading up to, and in the aftermath of September 11, 2001.”
SECTION 8780.
(a) The commission shall be made up of at least 15 members, including the director, who shall serve as chairperson of the commission. The director shall determine the number of members of the commission, subject to the condition that the total membership of the commission shall equal an odd number.
(b) (1) Members shall be persons having specific expertise or experience that will aid or assist in the efforts of the commission. To the maximum extent feasible, the members of the commission shall not be public officials.
(2) The director shall appoint members, from among candidates nominated by a resident of this state, or a resident of a public entity that enters into the joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537 or endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8780.
(3) Members of the commission shall serve for as long as necessary to complete the investigation, but for no longer than five years from the operative date of the act that added this chapter.
(4) (A) Any member of the commission, including the director, may be removed by a two-thirds vote of the commission, and a replacement member shall be appointed pursuant to this subdivision.
(B) If the commission votes to remove the director from the commission, it shall elect a member of the commission to subsequently serve as the director, and a replacement member shall be appointed pursuant to this subdivision.
SECTION 8781.
(a) (1) A sum equal to the amount of 50 cents ($0.50) per resident of the state is hereby transferred from the General Fund to the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Fund, which is hereby created in the State Treasury, and is continuously appropriated to the director to be expended in accordance with this chapter. For purposes of this subdivision, the population of the state shall be determined in accordance with the 2010 United States Census.
(2) Moneys in the fund shall be expended solely for the purposes of the commission.
(b) (1) Any public entity that enters into the joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537 shall contribute to funding the operations of the commission as specified, if at all, in the joint powers agreement.
(2) No contribution to the funding of the operations of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission shall be required of a public entity that endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8782.
(c) The commission may accept donations to fund its operations from any public
or private entity, in accordance with existing law. Any donation for the operations of the commission shall be deposited in the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Fund and shall be expended only in accordance with this chapter.
SECTION 8782.
Consistent with the United States Constitution, a public entity within the United States, including, but not limited to, another state, a United States territory, or a local government within this state, another state, or a United States territory, may, as an alternative to entering into a joint powers agreement pursuant to Section 6537, endorse the investigation and proceedings of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission by passing a resolution endorsing the efforts of the commission. Endorsement by a public agency in this manner shall authorize the commission, in its investigation, to take into account effects of the events of, leading up to, and in the aftermath of September 11, 2001, as they relate to the economic, social, and cultural well-being of the residents under the jurisdiction of the endorsing public entity.
SECTION 8783.
(a) The commission shall be subject to the Bagley-Keene Open Meeting Act (Article 9 (commencing with Section 11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2) and the California Public Records Act (Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 6250) of Division 7 of Title 1). In order to avoid a conflict of laws, if the commission enters into an agreement with an entity in another state, the commission shall be subject to only the public records and public meeting laws of this state. In accordance with Section 3 of Article I of the California Constitution, the commission shall accommodate a reasonable disclosure request that is beyond the requirements of those laws, unless the commission provides a reasonable explanation for the denial of the particular disclosure request.
(b) As a first priority after its organization, the commission shall establish an Internet Web site. The commission shall regularly update its Internet Web site in order to promptly provide access to the public information required to be disclosed pursuant to subdivision (a), and to ensure that the information on the Internet Web site is as up to date as possible.
SECTION 8784.
In order to ensure conformity and clarity, all members and staff of the commission shall be subject to the conflict-of-interest laws of this state.
SECTION 7.
Consistent with subdivision (c) of Section 10 of Article II of the California Constitution, Sections 5 and 6 of this act may be amended only by a subsequent measure submitted to a vote of the people at a statewide election, or by a statute approved by two-thirds of the membership of each house of the Legislature and signed by the Governor that furthers the purposes of the act.
SECTION 8.
If any provision of this act, or any part thereof, is for any reason held to be invalid or unconstitutional, the remaining provisions shall not be affected, but shall remain in full force and effect, and to this end the provisions of this act are severable.
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For more information, contact the proponents of the initiative at CA911initiative@gmail.com.
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Right on GW. Do people not realize or care that if there is not a relentless pursuit of the truth and a restoration of fairness, the modern society eventually self-destructs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIcCLsSZX-8
at least label your links...
ISRAELI 9/11 "Art Student" SPIES ACTIVE AGAIN? Report From UTAH
everyone talks about the government did this or the government did that.
how many agencies and departments does the government have?
how many here have worked for the government?
what one agency does can be a complete mystery to the others. people on one side of a room may be completely in the dark about what the other side is doing.
and when the big f*** up occurs its every man for himself with the fingerpointing. the only truth they care about is whatever story deflects the blame onto someone else!!
Yes, it's an overly broad brush (something that I don't like), but I believe that it's used to connote that it wasn't a bunch of folks in a cave who were responsible.
The Manhattan Project is a good example of LOTS of people, from various organizations, being involved in a hugely significant activity.
If they do another investigation, what is going to come of it? Rummy, Cheney, Bush, or whoever is going to be hauled out and put on trial for gross neglegence, or worse? What President or congress or whatever is going to sign off on that? It'll never happen. As soon as the Dems got in after Bush what did they do? Even before hand, they said impeachment was off the table. There's an unspoken agreement out there, you ignore our dirty laundry, and we'll ignore yours once we get in on the next round. We'll make a big show of it when we're in opposition. They're all on the same team!
Look at Wall St., the crime and corruption is out in the open and nobody went to jail! Nothing will come of it.
"They're all on the same team!"
Yup! They're all complicit. I believe that Russ Feingold was the ONLY US senator to vote against the USA (UN)PATRIOT ACT; and, the hit crew finally caught up to him (pushed him out of office). But he was a fucking liberal...
People have gotten everything they deserve. Power corrupts and they just keep fanning the flames, giving it MORE power! Bigger military, more support (wave that flag!) and more takings of civil liberties (but ya know, that ACLU is a liberal, socialist organization who wants to steal our freedoms!).
George Carlin, rest his soul, was so very right, those fuckers running the government are US! They're the best that we can do! But we want more power, more control, as this would "take back our country"/fix corruption! Suckers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3t9pkF31wo&feature=related
sigh...
Cheering Israelis,Were they Tracking Hijackers pre 9/11 2/2
i dont know, but the pentagon , never made sense to me, even from the beginning.....some muslims hijack a plane and then are able find this building which is not a national symbol in anyway and the crash a plane into this low level building (height wise) ......i say , nope !
Get ready to junk me bitchez but here's the inside scoop...Now you want a real conspiracy? Then riddle me this Batman....If you wanted to build an emergency underground bunker/city under Manhatten for the Elite and needed a way to bring in materials and cart out all the debris and stone, how could you do it for ten years and go unnoticed?
That seems childishly dumb.
Apply Occam's Razor to the question.
Was there some other easier way to accomplish the fanciful goal you set forth? The answer is yes. They have water line and subway extension projects ongoing not quite all the time but pretty much and you don't have to slam jet liners into buildings to have that construction take place. It does anyway. Your suggestion is the equivalent of deciding to steal a small thermonuclear device to kill an ant instead of just stepping on it.
Using the same line of reasoning, why plan a false-flag operation to set up al Qaeda when you want to lead a war against Iraq? Am I the only person who recalls how difficult it was to connect Saddam to 9-11? Easier to have paid some Iraqi pilots to attack London if you needed cover and international assistance to attack Iraq.
What ever became of the rumored third plane that hit the south tower "near the base" which lead to it collapsing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-szl44p80
8:40: "three [planes] now at the world trade center, the last of which has leveled the south tower"
6:24: "...another jet liner, a 737, crashed into the building way down low"
4:09-4:10: When the tower began to collapse, the video has clearly been edited. Watch the ticker scroll for verification.
Thanks for throwing the meat into the pit GW.
Sure brought a lot of spinners out from under their rocks!
We all know it's going to take more than can possibly be made available
to resolve the 9/11 issue to anyone's satisfaction, but thanks for keeping the light on.
Those of us who have made our peace with the 9/11 facts and non-facts are awaiting the next act in this play.
I would suggest a snack more substantial than popcorn.
"The initiative would name former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney as the initial director if Gravel is unable to serve in that capacity" Geez....I stopped reading right there.
McKinney is one of the biggest nutjobs that ever roamed the halls of Congress. If that is their plan, fugetabouit. She is a loon to the n'th degree and the entire thing will be an even bigger waste of time and money.
FailFart:
So say you...
Another MORON.
just to finish your thought: we live in a world where only the insane are allowed to speak the truth... me
Michelle Bachman calls Obama a gangster? Really she is a nutjob, but is she lying? Really the man has continally fed all the corrupt Chicago insiders which brought him here? Is this gangster capitalism, Soviet style, sure seems like it to me. So before you call someone a nutjob, just remember anyone can speak the truth. (except of course the POTUS, who has his orders)
I gotta say, ZH can do better than this. A lot of the good contributors have gone...George Washington and Ilene have an agenda they are promoting...I won't read their bullshit anymore and I am surprised they found a venue like ZH to accept their prolific yet delusional rants. I would give up reading ZH if not for Tyler.
Better than what? This isn't Clockwork Orange. Your eyelids are not sore. Is it absurd to suggest that people in power would allow or create massive destruction for huge financial, resource or political gain? Is that so outrageously inconsistent with this site or human history? Is America the exception? I'm sorry it upsets you but most of what we discuss on this site fits that category doesn't it. Most of what we discuss here boils down to huge powers destroying the common man. You have said nothing about the validity of the air defense, physics, architecture, witness accounts, peak oil, world record embassies or economic trails.
Eatthebanksters... Tyler has editing rights.
Maybe you should read up on what happened. Really... a bunch of stuff is out there to read.
Good news GW... thank you.
Many statements about your report confirm ignorance is bliss. Anyone who has taken the time to read the vast information surrounding 9-11 would have to look in the mirror and ask themselves... is it better to live inside the evil empire or outside?
Take an informed position, don't be a PUD.
It's better to have a place to retreat to if necessary.
Funny thing is Condylezza Rice testified she had "specific knowledge" of the attack and was warned...and she showed Bush who "pooh poohed" it.
Reopen it with Teeth to take action on the findings.While your at it, set up a committee to find Osama bin Laden and the WMD.
my point is that if there is truly nothing to hide and there truly is no conspiracy theory then what is everyone afraid of? Why not have another investigatione where all the documents are opened and transparent.???/ I'll tell you why not. And deep down you know what the answer is!!!
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For any sane readers of this blog post -- who aren't always caught up in the considerably lower levels of that political theater of the absurd, please follow the money:
About 3 to 4 years back, some brilliant financial analyst and mathematician, took seriously Admiral Poindexter's suggest of so-called markets tipping off one to terrorist-related events, and thoughtfully reviewed those trades falling in the month or so prior to 9/11/01.
He deduced that an infinitely improbable number of shorts and longs and investments occurred, favoring a select few and going back up to five tiers (that is, trades based upon trades based upon shorts, etc., based upon specific tragic events befalling specific companies, airlines, industries dependent upon air traffic, and the growth in security industries and defense contracting).
His analysis was brilliant. (Unfortunately, while his graph and analysis were posted online, it required eight hours of solid study with a modicum of a background in finance, economics and math to follow.)
So to were those cached pages of transmissions, which only came to light when the 'net hit critical mass around 2004, showing the dramatic increase in data transmissions originating from three facilities within the Twin Towers in the preceding 14 hours before they were hit.
Those data transmissions went offshore to a number of localtions: offshore finance centers and banks, and especially hedge funds.
The culprits as culled from the above data: Blackstone Group, A.I.G., Veritas Capital and the offices of the secretary of defense and the VP.
It's always about the money....follow the money.
Thanks for the reminder re Poindexter - I actually met the dude once at an R&D conference. Was his program ever shut down ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office
Just thinking out loud.
can you post any of those documents/links?
No rational person not connected to government believes the official explanation of the destruction of WT1 and WT2, let alone WT7. The physical evidence supports conclusively that it was a controlled demolition, and, therefore the result of a highly sophisticated and well-financed conspiracy.
If a second investigation is undertaken, it should have no connection to the first aside from the members of the first commission being called as fact witnesses.
Finally, the PTB will never allow an objective vetting of the facts of 9/11 any more than they will allow an audit of the Fed or an inspection of Fort Knox...
There's no evidence whatever for controlled demolition. Embarrassing ties to bin Laden being kept secret are not on the same level as what you are suggesting "conclusively" happened.
We already know who some of the players were, Larry "pull-it" Silverstein is one ,Dov Zackheim another, Bibi a third (who just happened to be in NYC) and the plane load that was allowed to leave on an El Al flight on the afternoon of 9/11.
Not including the 5 dancing Israeli's who were set-up to film the entire production from before the 1st plane hit. And who had a moving company van with explosive residue all over it.
The question is the appropriate punishment for all involved including these people ( I know I mis-use the term). And CLAWBACK of personal and state assets.
No Presidential Pardons of ANY KIND or Other Forms Of Leniency...will be allowed on this CASE.
Go ahead shit your pants fella's, cause payback,... it's a coming your way.
You earned it.
Pay per/view would raise some serious money,
Larry got the biggest hush money ever. And then there's that unique insurance policy he bought.
Of course not when the implications are treason and mass murder. One of the big mysteries is how do you keep such a large conspiracy together--it should not be possible. How long till some deep insider cracks and spills the beans, consequences be damned?
He'll be suicided and the MSM will not report it. I think this has happened many times already and the perps know what's in store for them. Keep quiet; get money. Blab; get killed. Easy decision.
http://mediamonarchy.blogspot.com/2008/09/barry-jennings-key-witness-to-...
One of the big mysteries is how do you keep such a large conspiracy together--it should not be possible.
Conventional wisdom would say you are right but there are very good reasons to question the conventional wisdom on this one, such as:
1. How can one know if the CW is right, since if there have been conspiracies that were successfully concealed we obviously don't know about them?
2. When one considers the players that seem most obviously to have been involved it becomes immediately obvious that these people are, both, morally and pschologically capable of taking a secret like this to their graves, especially when one considers the penalties they might pay if their involvment ever becomes public knowledge.
3. One tends to assume that a great many people had to know the full truth of what was going on that day, but this is not necessarily true. Only a few at command level really had to know, and even they didn't have to know it all. Everyone else involved had one job: do as they are told or face consequences they had been trained to fear and reject.
Well said.
Controlled opposition...
Gravel shouldn't be in charge of this investigation. He believes that pre-positioned explosives could cause a free fall speed collapse....with most of the debris pile turning into dust before hitting the ground. That alone shows he knows nothing of the physical evidence, or how to interpret it.....or he's trying to hide it.
It would be very easy to do imaging of the ground below ground zero.....if you find a big glass bowl filled with concrete, it wasn't pre-positioned explosives.
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If anyone wishes to learn what was used to bring those three buildings down, please look up the work done by Dimitri Khalezov. I disagree with him on some minor things, but he nails the method used. All physical laws are obeyed.
bout fucking time....9/11 was a us intelligence operation ordered by the bankster-plutocratic elite and executed by the bush crime syndicate....there are two irrefutable evidences pointing to its inside execution: 1. the buildings collapsed precisely like a controlled demolition 2. pervasive and huge trace amounts of nanothermite were found all over the place. such a unique high-tech explosive was invented only at sandia labs...
there are massive other evidences as well....the woman who escaped out of the pentagon through the opening where the incoming projectile hit said she DIDN'T FUCKING SEE A FUCKING AIRPLANE!! how goddamned dumb do people have to be?????
americans have been lied to once again and want to believe their fucking stupid lies....the military industrial complex murdered jfk under the same authorization and daddy bush was right there in the middle of it having been personally breifed by hoover's fbi afterwards....(can't remember if the murderer of martin luther king personally debriefed bush or if one of his toadys did it).
ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free
When 911 happened I had many of the questions and noted many inconsistencies later raised by the "truthers."
Building collapses ALL looked like demos. Bldg 7 was so obvious it screamed. I remember Silverstein explaining why they demoed it. I wondered at the time: how the hell did they rig that building in a few hours?
I remember:
the mystery van with explosives stopped on the bridge;
the dancing Israeli film crew being arrested;
the reports of explosions;
the molten metal pouring out of the tower;
the reports of basement level explosions before the planes hit.
I had no thought of a conspiracy involving our government until I found the story changing, facts being excluded, the failure to pursue any investigation of planted explosives, the massive destruction and concealment of evidence. Eventually I couldn't see any other theory that explains these things.
Thanks for your opinion,
Mine was this:
I remember thinking the story was too "pat" for such a short time afterward s. Didn't seem conceivable to assemble the facts, find a passport in perfect shape, etc. Just "No Match" on so many aspects,.....and a rush to judgment, even when I knew the upper guys were interested in the Caspian Oil Pipeline (knew this related to my work). Soon the blanks were filled in.
My opinion Frame-Job on the ARABS.
well, i mentioned a few weeks ago that the CIA assigned a disinformationist to this site. I'm sure he changed his handle on a regular basis. But not his writing style and approach. Bellecose, belligerent, hostile, and just nasty.
Anyone who actually believes 9/11 was carried out by 19 pervs with boxcutters is clearly delusional, either because they're afraid to face the truth, or have some self-interest in maintaining a lie. US airspace is protected every day by the Air Force...every day but 9/11/01. Dick Cheney made his contribute from the basement of the White House..
The whole story was laid out nicely by Mike Ruppert years ago. Thank God Gravel is doing something about it. Too bad the whole fucking economy is going to collapse into chaos before it all comes out.
btw quid, it's not too late for you. you can stop being a total asshole, if you really try..
Michael C Ruppert -
Crossing the Rubicon
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Follow the money find the truth...it is the only way.
Reality check...anybody believe those buildings fell perfectly due to a random plane crash into its side...sorry but I just don't buy it and wouldn't put ANYTHING past this government anymore....
GW, it's only a matter of time before CAIR comes after your ass.
What you're saying here essentially is that Arabs/Muslims are too stupid and disorganized to have pulled off something like 911...so of course it had to have been a conspiracy of clever Jews and super-competent government employees....
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Why doesn't California assemble a fucking blue ribbon panel to investigate how they managed to drive themselves into bankruptcy (which A. we will all end up paying for and B. really will be far more explosive than The Pentagon Papers) instead of dreaming up new ways to waste money?
just can't figure why the American Conservative gave Sibel Edmonds a platform to express her views. The party under Obama wants to sweep everything under the rug, which also makes me curious why Daily Kos puts this up, they're Democrat central, and most of the suggested heads of the new commission are Green Party (which is the old left wing). If Bin Laden was working with the CIA why was Clinton trying to blow him up in 98'? What's more interesting from a policy point of view is Bush's ascencion to WTO for China, signed it two weeks after 9/11, the only Clinton policy Bush chose to continue, but he had to do it under duress after the Chinese downed our spy plane. Just trying to get in the mindset of that, giving a hostile and very powerful Communist nation carte blanche, two weeks after some Muslims try to level Manhattan, ( working with their help you might wonder?) As you read the whistleblower account that the CIA was helping Chinese anti-government rebels. I wouldn't say there was anything to suggest China had changed, from the China entered the Korean war, the China which helped North Vietnam, and the China which continues to do militarily provocative things. It's also clear the economy of our country has gone down the vortex because of that policy, while China continued to peg the dollar.
Bush was an exceedingly weak leader until his bullhorn moment, which was a great distraction, to shift our attention from the real problems facing the country. The NeoConservatives supported the UN action in the Balkans, but not the moment when US planes hit the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, which was occupied at the time. China had voted against the Nato action.
To take the thing back around, the AC (and NeoConservatives) is now playing their shell game once move, look at Bin Laden, don't look at China. The two of them may well provide the link to 9/11
Maybe the reason you can't figure these things out is you don't have enough information? Not all of the Evil Empire's secrets have been revealed yet. Some may never be revealed.
Useful idiots.
Waste some more tax money.
Not epidemic enough already.
Not one single piece of information that is greater than 1 in a billion likelihood of being true.
"Xkwisetly Paneful" ...
Ran the troll's name through Babel Fish... translates to...
Staunchly Stupefied