Pentagon Papers Whistleblowers and Congressman Call for a New 9/11 Investigation

The two main players in releasing the Pentagon Papers were Daniel Ellsberg and United States Senator Mike Gravel.

Senator Gravel is the person who read the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record. This act made the papers public record, so that they could not be censored by the government. He was the only member of Congress courageous enough to do so.

Both Ellsberg and Gravel - like many other high-level former officials in the government and intelligence services (including many well-known whistleblowers) - support a new 9/11 investigation. Ellsberg says that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". (Here's some of what that whistleblower says.) He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11.

And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of those in office, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath (see this and this).

Gravel is now backing a California ballot initiative for a new 9/11 investigation. The text of the initiative is below.

The initiative would actually help support the 9/11 Commission and fulfill the desire of the 9/11 Commissioners. Specifically, the Commission was severely underfunded:

• The government spent $175 million investigating the Challenger space shuttle disaster.

• It spent $152 million on the the Columbia disaster investigation.

• It spent $30 million investigating the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

• But the government only authorized $15 million for the 9/11 Commission.

Moreover, many 9/11 Commissioners said they never completed the investigation:

• 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.

• Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." . He also says that he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking, and that it might take "a permanent 9/11 commission" to end the remaining mysteries of September 11.

• And 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America."
  

The initiative would allow deeper questions to be asked about 9/11, allow the 9/11 debate to continue, investigate the remaining mysteries of 9/11, and help to get to the full story, as the 9/11 Commissioners themselves want. (The Commissioners haven't yet read the initiative).

The initiative is unusual because it would allow other state governments, and even local governments, within California or any other state, two different options to officially express support for the new commission’s investigation pursuant to the initiative’s terms. Under the first option, a state or local government could enter a joint powers agreement with the commission to join the investigation and to share resources with the commission. Under the second option, a state or local government could endorse the efforts of the commission, at no cost to the state or local government, merely by the governing body of that state or local government passing an official resolution expressly supporting the commission’s investigation.

The initiative is also unusual because it goes the extra mile to ensure that the investigation will not be compromised by political considerations like the 9/11 Commission and the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission were. Specifically, it amends the state constitution to name Senator Gravel as the initial director and ensures that commissioners are appointed on the basis of their qualifications, and not political considerations. The initiative would name former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney as the initial director if Gravel is unable to serve in that capacity.

This sounds very odd at first, but a lawyer formerly with California's Office of Legislative Counsel - who drafted the initiative on behalf of Senator Gravel - states that these provisions are legally sound, and that an initiative that amends the state constitution in this manner would require 807,615 signatures to be placed on the ballot, rather than 504,760 signatures (the amount normally required to put a statutory initiative on the ballot). He states that California’s Office of Legislative Counsel vetted the entire initiative and did not find its amendments to the state constitution legally problematic.

In other words, the constitutional amendment would not be as big a deal as it initially seems, as at the end of the day, it would only mean getting an additional three hundred thousand signatures in a state of 40 million.

Former U.S. Congressman Dan Hamburg from California - legendary for his role in helping to preserve the Headwaters Forest - supports the initiative. Hamburg is in a unique position to support the initiative, as he is now serving as a county supervisor for Mendocino County. With his unique background in the U.S. Congress and local government, Hamburg supports the fact that the initiative allows governments at the local and state level to support a full and complete investigation.

Lawyers for 9/11 Truth also supports the initiative in principle. That organization includes such well-known legal scholars as:

• Ferdinando Imposimato, Honorary President of the Supreme Court of Italy. Former Senior Investigative Judge, Italy. Presided over numerous terrorism-related cases

• Burns H. Weston, Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and Founding Director and Senior Scholar, Center for Human Rights, The University of Iowa, Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American Journal of International Law

• Andreas Von Bülow, former Assistant German Defense Minister (the number two German defense position), former Minister of Research and Technology, and a former member of the German Parliament

• Constance Fogal, former leader, Canadian Action Party

• J. Michael Springmann, former diplomat in the State Department's Foreign Service, with postings to Germany, India, Saudi Arabia, and the Bureau of Intelligence and Research in Washington, D.C. He was the head of the U.S. consular official in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, and is the published author of several articles on national security themes

Here is the draft initiative, with commentary:

(The following is the text of the California Initiative measure creating a new 9/11 investigative commission to be submitted directly to the voters at the general election in November 2012, with comments within ( ) for clarity. By law the title and summary of an initiative are required to be written by the Attorney General of California after the initiative is officially filed with the state government.)

(A suggested title)

The 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission Act

(A suggested summary)

This measure would establish within state government the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission in order to conduct a citizen-based, comprehensive, and truly independent investigation into events relating to the attacks of September 11, 2001. The measure would:

(1) Grant the commission all investigatory powers of the state, including the power of subpoena;

(2) Authorize the commission to enter into a joint powers agreement with any public entity within the United States and to exercise any investigatory power of any of the contracting powers in conducting the investigation;

(3) Amend the California Constitution to appoint former United States Senator Mike Gravel as the initial Director of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission, and in his absence Representative Cynthia McKinney, to ensure the political independence of the commission from government interference through the appointment process, and to provide the commission credibility with respect to the transparency of its operations;

(4) Appropriate an amount equal to $0.50 per resident of the state from the General Fund to the director to conduct and administrate the investigation;

(5) Specify conditions governing its future amendment; and

(6) Provide that if a provision of the measure is held invalid, that provision’s invalidity will not render the remainder of the measure invalid.

(The Preamble)

TO THE HONORABLE SECRETARY OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA

We, the undersigned, registered, qualified voters of California, residents of ____ County (or City and County), hereby propose amendments to the Constitution of California and the Code, and petition the Secretary of State to submit the same to the voters of California for their adoption or rejection at the next succeeding general election or at any special statewide election held prior to that general election or otherwise provided by law. (The “official summary date,” the date that the Attorney General sends the title and summary for the initiative measure to the proponent, is also the date that the Secretary of State will use to determine the calendar deadlines applicable to the measure. All requisite signatures must be received within 150 days of the official summary date. The requisite number of signatures and other qualifications for placement on the November 2, 2012 Presidential General Election ballot must be met at least 131 days before that election—May 24, 2012.) The proposed constitutional amendments read as follows:

SECTION 1. This act shall be known and may be cited as the 9/11 Citizens

Investigation Commission Act.

(A declaration of facts that warrant the enactment of the initiative by the voters.)

SECTION 2. The people of the State of California find and declare all of the

following:

(a) The events of September 11, 2001, have had a profound effect on the economic, social, and cultural well-being of Californians, and of all citizens of the United States.

(1) In the wake of that tragic day, the United States entered into the War on Terror, the War in Afghanistan, and the Iraq War. Vast amounts of the blood and treasure of the American people have been spent fighting these ongoing wars. Over 5,800 American military personnel have lost their lives in the War on Terror, and over 40,000 have been wounded. In addition, innumerable innocent civilians have also lost their lives in the War on Terror. According to a September 2, 2010, report by the federal Congressional Research Service, the cumulative total for funds appropriated in the War on Terror was $1,121,000,000,000.

(2) Since September 11, 2001, the civil liberties of Californians and other Americans have been drastically curtailed, and fundamental rights guaranteed by the United States Bill of Rights have been under attack. Government actions under the USA PATRIOT Act (Public Law 107-56), enacted on October 26, 2001, have trampled civil liberties and fundamental rights by, among other things, purportedly authorizing increased espionage against innocent United States citizens, and the indefinite detention of certain prisoners without charge.

(3) Since September 11, 2001, the federal government has decimated essential liberties of its citizens in the name of temporary safety, and this way of thinking has reached an absurd extent, in that suspicionless, systematic assault on its citizens has become a policy of the federal government. In November 2010, the Transportation Security Administration, an agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security, began implementing additional screening procedures for air travelers, including the use of invasive back-scatter X-ray scans that display nude images of the person scanned, and extensive patdowns that include the touching of the chest, genitals, and buttocks of the person inspected.

(b) Beyond these profound effects on the well-being of Californians and all United States citizens, there are other wide-ranging and substantial considerations that support the need for further investigation into the events of September 11, 2001:

(1) A false flag operation is one designed to deceive so that the operation appears as though it was carried out by another entity, rather than the actual operator, in order to foster a clandestine political effect. The history of the United States is littered with instances of the alleged use of false flag operations, especially as pretext for war or to forward a pro-war agenda. These instances include, among others, the invasion of Mexico in 1846, the sinking of the U.S.S. Maine on February 18, 1898, the sinking of the RMS Lusitania on May 7, 1915, the second Gulf of Tonkin incident claimed to have occurred on August 4, 1964, and the purported existence of weapons of mass destruction as the rationale for the invasion of Iraq in March of 2003.

(2) World Trade Center Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper that was part of the World Trade Center complex, collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, and proffered explanations for the building’s failure have been widely disputed. To date, over 1,400 architectural and engineering professionals, and over 10,000 other individuals, have signed a petition, addressed to Members of the House of Representatives and the Senate of the United States of America, demanding “a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7.”

(3) In the aftermath of September 11, 2001, the federal government established the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, also known as the 9/11 Commission, to prepare a full and complete account of, and to report on the circumstances surrounding, the attacks. However, the 9/11 Commission has been widely criticized for lacking sufficient political independence or legal authority to discharge its duties. In their book, which was co-written after the conclusion of the commission’s work, “Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission,” the commission’s Chairman, Republican Thomas H. Kean, and its Vice Chairman, Democrat Lee H. Hamilton, asserted their belief that the commission had been designed to fail. The collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 was not addressed in the 9/11 Commission’s final report.

(c) The State of California is an appropriate government entity to initiate, and to provide the legal basis for, a citizens’ investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. Californians were among those who died in the attacks of that infamous day, and many more Californians have subsequently died fighting in the War on Terror, the War in Afghanistan, and the Iraq War. Furthermore, alleged terrorist conspirators trained in California to carry out the events of September 11, 2001. Historically, California has been an economic and political leader among the states, and events relating to September 11, 2001, have drastically affected the economics and politics of both California and the country at large. For all these reasons, the initiation of a citizens’ investigation into the events of September 11, 2001, is an urgent matter of statewide concern.

(d) In order to ensure the political independence of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission from government interference through the appointment process, and to provide the commission credibility with respect to the transparency of its operations, former United States Senator Mike Gravel shall serve as the initial director of the commission and, if Senator Gravel is unable to serve as the initial director, former Member of the United States House of Representatives Cynthia McKinney shall serve in that capacity.

(e)We, the people of the State of California, in solidarity with all citizens of the United States, direct the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission, a new investigatory commission created by this act, to conduct a citizen-based, comprehensive, and truly independent investigation into events relating to the attacks of September 11, 2001.

(This section is the amendment to the Constitution.)

SECTION 3. Section 12 of Article II of the California Constitution is amended to

read:

(a) No amendment to the Constitution, and no statute proposed to the electors by the Legislature or by initiative, that names any individual to hold any office, or names or identifies any private corporation to perform any function or to have any power or duty, may be submitted to the electors or have any effect.

(The underlined text is the addition of new text to the Constitution.)

(b) The prohibition set forth in subdivision (a) of this section shall not apply to the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission established pursuant to Chapter 9.6 (commencing with Section 8775) of Division 1 of Title 2 of the Government Code, in order to ensure the commission’s independence and to prevent federal or state government interference in its investigation or proceedings to the maximum extent allowed under the Constitution of the United States and this Constitution.

SECTION 4. Section 1 of Article VII of the California Constitution is amended to read:

(a) The civil service includes every officer and employee of the State except as otherwise provided in this Constitution.

(b) In the civil service permanent appointment and promotion shall be made under a general system based on merit ascertained by competitive examination.

(c) This section shall not apply to an officer or employee of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission.

(The text below: Sections 5 to 8 comprise the new law added to the code by the initiative.)

SECTION 5. Section 6537 is added to the Government Code, to read:

6537. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, consistent with the United States Constitution, the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission, established pursuant to Section 8775, may enter into a joint powers agreement with any public entity within the United States, including, but not limited to, another state, a United States territory, a local government within this state, another state, or a United States territory, or an agency of the federal government, and the commission may exercise any investigatory power of any of the contracting powers to carry out the requirements of Chapter 9.6 (commencing with Section 8775) of Division 1 of Title 2.

SECTION 6. Chapter 9.6 (commencing with Section 8775) is added to Division 1

of Title 2 of the Government Code, to read:

Chapter 9.6. 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission

SECTION 8775.

The 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission is hereby created in state government as an independent commission for the purpose of investigating events relating to September 11, 2001. It is the intent of the residents of the State that the commission not be subject to state executive or legislative branch control, and that the state not interfere with the investigation or proceedings of the commission. The federal government is likewise requested to not interfere with commission activities.

SECTION 8776.

(a) The commission shall impartially and objectively investigate the

events of, leading up to, and in the aftermath of September 11, 2001, as those events relate to the economic, social, and cultural well-being of the residents of California, those under the jurisdiction of a public entity that enters into the joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537, or those under the jurisdiction of a public entity that endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8782.

(1) The investigation shall include, but not be limited to, the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City, the attack on the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, the crash of Flight 93 at Shanksville, Pennsylvania, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the Global War on Terror.

(2) The investigation shall consider the content and findings of previous

investigations into the events of, leading up to, or the aftermath of September 11, 2001, including, but not limited to, any work product of the federal 9/11 Commission or the “Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001” conducted by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

(3) The investigation shall consider perceived shortcomings or weaknesses in the report created by the federal 9/11 Commission, including, but not limited to, any scientific weaknesses or shortcomings.

(4) The investigation shall conclude within five years of the operative date of the act that added this chapter.

(b) Upon the conclusion of its investigation, the commission shall produce a report for issuance to the Governor, the members of the Senate Committee on Rules, the Speaker of the Assembly, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and to each public entity that enters into the joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537 or endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8782. The report shall identify all of the following:

(1) Any indication of criminal activity warranting prosecution. If the criminal activity identified may constitute a war crime or a crime against humanity, the commission shall report that criminal activity and its apparent perpetrators, as identified in the report to the International Criminal Court.

(2) Any individual or corporation that profited unduly from the events investigated by the commission.

(3) Any other relevant malfeasance, and the apparent perpetrators, if any, of that malfeasance.

SECTION 8777.

(a) In conducting its investigation, the commission shall have, and may exercise, all investigatory powers of the state, including, but not limited to, the power of subpoena. In addition, the commission may exercise any investigatory power that is lawfully granted to it pursuant to a joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537, or is lawfully granted to it by a public entity that endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8782.

(b) The scope of the commission’s investigatory powers shall be interpreted broadly.

(c) Section 8101 shall not apply to any compact or agreement entered into by the commission.

SECTION 8778.

(a) The commission shall be led by the Director of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission, who shall serve as the commission’s chief executive officer and be responsible for administrating the investigation and proceedings of the commission. Due to his unique credibility on issues of government transparency, former United States Senator Mike Gravel shall serve as the initial director of the commission. If Senator Gravel is unable to serve as the initial director, because of her unique credibility on issues of government transparency former Member of the United States House of Representatives Cynthia McKinney shall serve in that capacity. If the initial director or a subsequent director is removed from the commission pursuant to paragraph (4) of subdivision (a) of Section 8780, the commission shall elect a new director as provided in that paragraph.

(b) The director shall serve as chairperson of the commission and govern the public proceedings of the commission.

(c) As the chief executive officer of the commission, the director shall have plenary power over, and be solely accountable for, the fiscal operations of the commission. The director shall allocate the commission’s funding to discharge its objectives in the most efficient and effective manner possible.

SECTION 8779.

(a) The director may employ staff as the director determines necessary to discharge the duties of the commission.

(b) (1) Subject to the advice and consent of the commission, the director shall appoint a Special Investigator who shall be responsible for conducting the investigation and compiling the report. The Special Investigator shall report directly to the director, and shall follow up on the directives of, and report his or her findings to, the commission.

(2) The Special Investigator shall serve at the pleasure of the commission. The commission may remove the Special Investigator if a majority of the commission votes in favor of removal. If the commission removes the Special Investigator, the director shall appoint a replacement in the manner specified in paragraph (1).

(3) All other staff of the commission shall be at-will employees, and shall serve at the pleasure of the director.

(c) An employee of the commission shall be compensated for his or her employment, if at all, in a manner consistent with the compensation practices of the state with respect to the employees of state advisory bodies.

(d) Each employee of the commission shall execute the following oath or

affirmation of office as a condition of his or her service: “I, (name), hereby swear or affirm that I will, to the best of my ability, defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the State of California, and the principle of truth in governance in investigating the events of, leading up to, and in the aftermath of September 11, 2001.”

SECTION 8780.

(a) The commission shall be made up of at least 15 members, including the director, who shall serve as chairperson of the commission. The director shall determine the number of members of the commission, subject to the condition that the total membership of the commission shall equal an odd number.

(b) (1) Members shall be persons having specific expertise or experience that will aid or assist in the efforts of the commission. To the maximum extent feasible, the members of the commission shall not be public officials.

(2) The director shall appoint members, from among candidates nominated by a resident of this state, or a resident of a public entity that enters into the joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537 or endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8780.

(3) Members of the commission shall serve for as long as necessary to complete the investigation, but for no longer than five years from the operative date of the act that added this chapter.

(4) (A) Any member of the commission, including the director, may be removed by a two-thirds vote of the commission, and a replacement member shall be appointed pursuant to this subdivision.

(B) If the commission votes to remove the director from the commission, it shall elect a member of the commission to subsequently serve as the director, and a replacement member shall be appointed pursuant to this subdivision.

SECTION 8781.

(a) (1) A sum equal to the amount of 50 cents ($0.50) per resident of the state is hereby transferred from the General Fund to the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Fund, which is hereby created in the State Treasury, and is continuously appropriated to the director to be expended in accordance with this chapter. For purposes of this subdivision, the population of the state shall be determined in accordance with the 2010 United States Census.

(2) Moneys in the fund shall be expended solely for the purposes of the commission.

(b) (1) Any public entity that enters into the joint powers agreement authorized by Section 6537 shall contribute to funding the operations of the commission as specified, if at all, in the joint powers agreement.

(2) No contribution to the funding of the operations of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission shall be required of a public entity that endorses the investigation and proceedings of the commission pursuant to Section 8782.

(c) The commission may accept donations to fund its operations from any public

or private entity, in accordance with existing law. Any donation for the operations of the commission shall be deposited in the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Fund and shall be expended only in accordance with this chapter.

SECTION 8782.

Consistent with the United States Constitution, a public entity within the United States, including, but not limited to, another state, a United States territory, or a local government within this state, another state, or a United States territory, may, as an alternative to entering into a joint powers agreement pursuant to Section 6537, endorse the investigation and proceedings of the 9/11 Citizens Investigation Commission by passing a resolution endorsing the efforts of the commission. Endorsement by a public agency in this manner shall authorize the commission, in its investigation, to take into account effects of the events of, leading up to, and in the aftermath of September 11, 2001, as they relate to the economic, social, and cultural well-being of the residents under the jurisdiction of the endorsing public entity.

SECTION 8783.

(a) The commission shall be subject to the Bagley-Keene Open Meeting Act (Article 9 (commencing with Section 11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2) and the California Public Records Act (Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 6250) of Division 7 of Title 1). In order to avoid a conflict of laws, if the commission enters into an agreement with an entity in another state, the commission shall be subject to only the public records and public meeting laws of this state. In accordance with Section 3 of Article I of the California Constitution, the commission shall accommodate a reasonable disclosure request that is beyond the requirements of those laws, unless the commission provides a reasonable explanation for the denial of the particular disclosure request.

(b) As a first priority after its organization, the commission shall establish an Internet Web site. The commission shall regularly update its Internet Web site in order to promptly provide access to the public information required to be disclosed pursuant to subdivision (a), and to ensure that the information on the Internet Web site is as up to date as possible.

SECTION 8784.

In order to ensure conformity and clarity, all members and staff of the commission shall be subject to the conflict-of-interest laws of this state.

SECTION 7.

Consistent with subdivision (c) of Section 10 of Article II of the California Constitution, Sections 5 and 6 of this act may be amended only by a subsequent measure submitted to a vote of the people at a statewide election, or by a statute approved by two-thirds of the membership of each house of the Legislature and signed by the Governor that furthers the purposes of the act.

SECTION 8.

If any provision of this act, or any part thereof, is for any reason held to be invalid or unconstitutional, the remaining provisions shall not be affected, but shall remain in full force and effect, and to this end the provisions of this act are severable.

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For more information, contact the proponents of the initiative at [e-mail].

Comments

[Westcoastliberal]

We absolutely, positively must discover what "really" happened on 911, the same way we "really" need an investigation into the financial meltdown.  And after the "discovery" phase, we need indictments and long prison terms if the perpetrators are found guilty.  In large part, this "looking forward" attitude of the Obama admin is the clog in our collective national sewer; it will continue to stink even worse until the truth is revealed.  And for you "Everybodys All...." you're a closed-minded shill.

[Everybodys All ...]

We already know what happend in the financial meltdown. Prosecutions need to occur. Enlighten me oh great liberal because I'm closed minded and all ... please tell me what the US could have done to prevent 911. 

[RockyRacoon]

...what the US could have done to prevent 911

Answer: Apparently nothing.

New question:  What can be done to be sure something like that does not happen again?

Answer:  Burn down Washington DC (throw in Arlington, VA) and start a new center of government on a new site with an all new cast of characters.  Mandate new scholastic guidelines to include civics and government as a core area, among others.

[Cistercian]

+100

 I would also add that actual oversight of the currently black mil/intel community would help as well.

[Vendetta]

Not be corrupt?

[FeralSerf]

Bar entrance to the U.S. by Mossad explosive experts?

[DaveyJones]

didn't the financial meltdown teach you that there are people and entities inside and outside the government who (1) are very powerfull and (2) have interests a little broader than our common good. What exactly makes 911 skepticism liberal?

[RichardP]

Stayed home since 1776 and let other nations become world powers by stealing the middle-east oil.

[jag]

Utter crap. We knew more about 9/11 in the first couple of weeks than any other

major event in history.

I don't trust the government but what would even they be hiding? The actors in the

plot were easily examined. They made virtually no attempt to muddle their past. There

isn't any question who directed them, where their plan originated or any of the other

meaningful details.

This is witless crap. If you have facts to support something, by all means, publish it.

Any idiot can formulate a "conspiracy" theory for virtually every event from Lincoln's

assasination, Pearl Harbor and JFK because there are always information gaps and its

easy to fill any gap with speculation. But if you can't fill those gaps with facts and

evidence your theory is just that; theory. You are entitled to theorize but not to

have your undocumented, factless, whimsy act as a foundation for yet another

political witch hunt.

[WeeWilly]

+ 10 Jag. A conspiracy of this magnitude would require hundreds of participants. But after a decade we have no hard evidence? Bullshit.

[Seer]

Manhattan Project.

[Confused]

Well played sir. 

[Ying-Yang]

Everything you mentioned and asked about is out there. Does mommy still breastfeed you?

Grow a pair and hunt for yourself.

[Arkadaba]

We knew more about 9/11 in the first couple of weeks than any other major event in history

Oh yes quite a coup finding the passports of the alleged hijackers in all that rubble! That was the first of many official pronouncements that made me wonder ...

[FeralSerf]

And in such good condition after the surviving the fireball that destroyed the WTC.  Amazing!

[robobbob]

just like the magic pristine bullet found on JFK's litter?

[SRV - ES339]

Need a little help getting your head a bit further up your ass?

The PTB rely heavily on sheep like you... Big Brother is my keeper, I will obey!

[cbaba]

This is a Fact, if you CAN read it, ITS CRYSTAL CLEAR, look at the budget, just 10% of a shuttle disaster:

• The government spent $175 million investigating the Challenger space shuttle disaster.

• It spent $152 million on the the Columbia disaster investigation.

• It spent $30 million investigating the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

• But the government only authorized $15 million for the 9/11 Commission.

[George Washington]

Yes, and the Challenger figure doesn't account for inflation, and would cost over $300 million in today's dollars.

[Amabo Kcarab]

Jag, Could you please forward me the location where I can sign up to be a dilusional, clueless troll as well.

[Savyindallas]

You are almost right - jag is a delusional clueless troll  -but you mispelled delusional

[WaterWings]

You misspelled savvy. But that's beside the point.

Great stuff, GW. Keep it up!

[DavidPierre]

Best to learn the huge and important differences between a...

Conspiracy Theory and 

Conspiracy Theorem!

[Confused]

" If you are so unhappy move"

Surely this is sarcasm right?

I love the US. Born and raised. But have you ever been out of the country (let alone lived outside of it)? Seriously? If not, you really need to stay quiet. Because without direct experience you have no basis for an opinion based on anything other than second hand knowledge.

[Vendetta]

be careful.  You're making sheen sound totally rational and sober.

[Ying-Yang]

Ignorance becomes you

[Savyindallas]

you move moron  -If there were islamo fascist bastards involved  they were mossad assets. 

[rookie]

Pretend that you are a child of a victim.  You lost both your father and your uncle.  You are 13 years old now and seven years from now when you are 20 you want to read more about who bought the puts on american airlines.  Where are those historical documents? 

[robobbob]

where indeed

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

and what of Deutsche Bank and the SEC investigations?

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.html

[Gonads]

"... Islamo fascist bastards took down the towers. Let me also add anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional."

Correct, but that's not the issue that's under question. It's whether or not our gov had a relationship with OBL prior to 9/11.

[George Washington]

You're so cynical ...

Former FBI Translator: Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until 9/11

[George Washington]

"It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error"
– United States Supreme Court decision in American Communications Association v. Douds

"To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men."
- Abraham Lincoln

"Those who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Ben Franklin

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
- Thomas Jefferson

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
-Thomas Jefferson

"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."
- Robert F . Kennedy

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."
- Samuel Adams

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country."
– Teddy Roosevelt

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
– Teddy Roosevelt

“The citizen who sees his society’s democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry it out, is not a patriot, but a traitor.”
- Mark Twain

"Liberty has never come from government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of government. The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of government power, not the increase of it."
- Woodrow Wilson

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent"
- Thomas Jefferson

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."
- Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural

"In this point of the case the question is distinctly presented whether the people of the United States are to govern through representatives chosen by their unbiased suffrages or whether the money and power of a great corporation are to be secretly exerted to influence their judgment and control their decisions."

- Andrew Jackson

"I am more than ever convinced of the dangers to which the free and unbiased exercise of political opinion -- the only sure foundation and safeguard of republican government -- would be exposed by any further increase of the already overgrown influence of corporate authorities."
- Martin Van Buren, Eighth President of the United States

"As we view the achievements of aggregated capital, we discover the existence of trusts, combinations, and monopolies, while the citizen is struggling far in the rear or is trampled to death beneath an iron heel. Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people's masters."
- Grover Cleveland, 22nd and 24th President of the United States

"I again recommend a law prohibiting all corporations from contributing to the campaign expenses of any party.… Let individuals contribute as they desire; but let us prohibit in effective fashion all corporations from making contributions for any political purpose, directly or indirectly." Teddy Roosevelt added, "The fortunes amassed through corporate organization are now so large, and vest such power in those that wield them, as to make it a matter of necessity to give to the sovereign -- that is, to the Government, which represents the people as a whole -- some effective power of supervision over their corporate use. In order to insure a healthy social and industrial life, every big corporation should be held responsible by, and be accountable to, some sovereign strong enough to control its conduct."
- Theodore Roosevelt

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

"It was natural and perhaps human that the privileged princes of these new economic dynasties, thirsting for power, reached out for control over government itself. They created a new despotism and wrapped it in the robes of legal sanction. ...And as a result the average man once more confronts the problem that faced the Minute Man....
- Franklin Roosevelt

"A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor -- other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness."
- Franklin Roosevelt

"These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of this kind of power. In vain they seek to hide behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the flag and the Constitution stand for."
- Franklin Roosevelt

"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day."
- Theodore Roosevelt

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
-Thomas Jefferson, American Declaration of Independence

[JW n FL]

President Abraham Lincoln; "I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the financial institutions in the rear. Of the two the one in my rear is my greatest foe."

Lincoln was killed months after this statement.

If you were to be bothered, you could find several other Presidents who had a similar attitude.. all killed shortly after going public with the idea that Banks were the Greatest Threat our Country knew, "knows".

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=%22I+have+two+great+enemies%2C+the+Southern+Army+in+front+of+me+and+the+financial+institutions+in+the+rear.+Of+the+two+the+one+in+my+rear+is+my+greatest+foe.%22+&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&fp=a3d58b365f31109e

[victor82]

Bear this in mind:

Almost all of 9/11 Trutherism depends on an unwillingness to accept that unwashed Muslim savages living in caves could pull off one of the most superbly planned and executed asymmetrical attacks in human history...

...simply because they didn't graduate from Harvard Business School.

It was this same conceit that worked in Yamamoto's favor in 1941, I should add.

The Ruling Class has done nothing to lend itself any credibility. They can't run an economy. The Chinese Ruling Class is running rings around them. They print money until it ends up as wallpaper on Robert Mugabe's Master Bathroom. They have indebted our children and our children's children to a life of debt peonage. Their Central Intelligence Agency couldn't put the hearse in the right place in a two-car funeral (don't believe me? Go to Google and pull up "Project Merlin", if it's still there, that is...).

The Ruling Class that runs this country is the most demonstrably incompetent crowd of suzerains since the Bourbons.

What they are superbly good at is stealing from their own people. Like the Bourbons. And we all know what happened to them.

That is all they are truly good at, from an historical perspective. The people in power in Washington and New York compare unfavorably to the squalid crew around Ulysses S. Grant, the Railroad Trusts, and the Indian Ring. But at least those men were competent.

This ruling class is not competent. Nor can they keep a secret for this long. Common sense  suggest that what really happened is fairly close to what actually happened, only Bin Laden and his friends don't get the credit they deserve for organizing and executing their masterful attack, because all too many Westerners simply can't believe that Muslims were able to pull it off.

But what's more; the record of Western incompetence since WWII is both heartbreaking and complete. I challenge anyone to find an intelligence service more feckless than the CIA and its ancillary agencies. It is, quite literally, the gang that can't shoot straight.

The Ruling Class in this country is too craven, and too greedy, to have kept such an awful secret for so long amongst themselves. Common sense suggests that what happened on 9/11 is pretty much what we saw happened. 

This is not to suggest that Gravel and Co. should not push for new hearings. Let them. But I suggest they won't find what they think they are looking for. Often times in history, you will find that plutocratic greed and incomptence go hand in hand. I suspect that is all that happened on 9/11. 

No one was fiendishly smart or clever. Except, of course, Bin Laden and his men. 

After all, it's much easier to believe that a government stupid enough to believe that the printing of fiat currency ad infinitum will bring prosperity is a government stupid enough to get caught with its pants all the way down.

By Arabs. Yes, by Arabs.

[Confused]

"After all, it's much easier to believe that a government stupid enough to believe that the printing of fiat currency ad infinitum will bring prosperity is a government stupid enough to get caught with its pants all the way down."

Really? Easier? Than why do so many believe the official story? 

[Seer]

Blah, fucking blah, fucking blah...

When your head is pulled out of your ass answer this one: how did WTC7 come down?  Ignore ALL else and answer that one.

There was NO real investigation, not like what would occur in a high profile court case.  And court cases are about finding the truth.  Anyone with a single brain cell would challenge the offical LIE as to how gravity was defied MULTPLE time on 9/11.

"Justice is blind."  That's the premise of US law.  Yet, here we have obvious bias, racist BS used to cloud over clear facts.  Why?  Because the US is full of LOTS of programmed sheep.

[Count Floyd]

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/911/building-seven/

Game, set, match.

Ready to pull your head out of your ass now?

[WaterWings]

Hey! Where's da plane! Can u explain?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWQbpLDhRck

What do your eyes see once you pull your head out?

[DaveyJones]

"game, set match" I love when players think they're the umpire

[Miss anthrope]

Victor 82'

newest troll 4 weeks and 5 days

[BigJim]

Ah, I get it now! Truthers are rascists for thinking the Arabs didn't do it.

That's really quite clever. Did you come up with that? You really should be feeling pleased with yourself.

[robobbob]

An "inside" job does not preclude the use of any particular group, including Arabs.

All that is necessary is for certain agencies to simply look the other way at a critical moment, and ta da, a patsy is born. no hands required. Those people abound at all times and in all places. People wanting to make a statement. Wind them up and they'll do the rest for you free of charge.

and if there needs to be some splash to the show, the boys would be most happy to load up the expected target with some special effects. Anyone remember the stories from OKC?

The question is not whether some A-Rabs were capable, many people are, but what agencies or people knew, should have known, or could have known about the attacks? Did they act to stop or assist? and in the aftermath did they act to seek truth and justice, or obscure and exploit the situation. Those are the questions to be answered. The technical details of how or even the who, do not matter in and of themselves, other than it is the trail of breadcrumbs to follow back to the originators of the plot.

[Antipodeus]

Exactly.  To crack a conspiracy, ask "Who benefited?"  Follow the money.  WTC7 is the key, I'm sure.

[SRV - ES339]

Nice... thanks!

[Lets_Eat_Ben]

I love it when genius, educated minds speak so elequently about matters of great importance. 

[Lets_Eat_Ben]

+1 here here

[goodrich4bk]

If you read the article you would know that the whistleblower does NOT claim that anybody other than Islamo fascist bastards took down the towers.  Rather, she says they were OUR Islamo fascist bastards the CIA trained and fed with the objective of increasing our access to Central Asian oil and mineral resources via two time-worn methods: putting an American stake in the ground and fomenting opposition to any incursion of that stake by China.  As usual, the bastards had their own ideas.

[dizzyfingers]

Thank you for reiterating. That saves city councils from running up new bills on investigations....

[Everybodys All ...]

It is well known we supported Bin Laden during the Soviet Afghan war. It is also quite clear that the Bin Laden relationship soured at some point. If we determine that the relationship with Bin Laden was on going I would be shocked. Everyone knew how he had felt about the US for some time after the Soviet Afghan war. Bin Laden was tied to the original 1993 bombing of the trade center was he not? The USS Cole also? He had stated his intentions of jihad against the US several times prior to 911. In my opinion we already know he turned against us and there is nothing new to learn.

[Seer]

Yeah, he's one tough son-of-a-bitch, with Allah on his side!  How else could he have defied physics on 9/11 if not with the direct involvement of Allah.  So, it's like this, either Bin Laden and his superior god collaborated, or Bin Laden and insiders within the US govt or just folks inside the US govt pulled off 9/11.

I don't care what happened to any planes.  Not interested in the Pentagon, nor WTC1 and WTC2.  Just fucking explain how WTC7 managed to come down, and do so at near free-fall speed, and with comments on the official record that demolitions were used (yeah, the building is on fire, it's got oodles of flammables in it and you're running around setting up precision explosives to demo the building?  yeah, righ!).