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Pentagon Warns Of M.A.D. Should The War Powers Act Be Enacted And US Withdraw Its Troops From Libya
Who says Mutual Assured Destruction is to be used only by bankers: our military leaders appear to have mastered the strategy of getting what they want to warning about all hell breaking loose, just as effectively. Reuters reports that should Congress pursue a resolution to withdraw from the humanitarian Libyian oil liberation force, currently headed by Sarkozy, it would send
an "unhelpful message of disunity" to allies and foes alike. "Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell said that "once military forces are committed, such actions by Congress can have significant consequences," particularly on relations with members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. "It sends an unhelpful message of disunity and uncertainty to our troops, our allies and, most importantly, the Gaddafi regime," Morrell said in a statement in Singapore, where Defense Secretary Robert Gates arrived on Thursday to attend a security dialogue with Asian allies...Kucinich's measure would invoke the 1973 War Powers
Resolution to direct Obama to stop the U.S. participation in the
war. Kucinich says Obama violated the part of the law that
prohibits U.S. armed forces from being involved in military
actions for more than 60 days without congressional
authorization." Kucinich seems to forget that reminding a constitutional lawyer about constitutional abuses is actually racist. And more importantly, what excuse will those hundreds of billions in "defense spending" by the US government have if America's military is relegated to "bankster" status in terms of utility.
More:
The Pentagon reaction came after the Republican-led House on Wednesday delayed a vote on the resolution, sponsored by Democrat Dennis Kucinich, so lawmakers would have more time to weigh their options on the Libya conflict.
NATO is leading the intervention in Libya with a U.S. contribution but there are no U.S. troops on the ground there.
The operation aims to enforce a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing the protection of Libyan civilians from attacks by Gaddafi's forces, which are fighting rebels trying to oust the long-time leader.
The U.S. role has been controversial in Congress since Obama notified lawmakers on March 21 that he had ordered the intervention as part of a multinational coalition conducting air strikes to shield civilians.
Kucinich's measure would invoke the 1973 War Powers Resolution to direct Obama to stop the U.S. participation in the war. Kucinich says Obama violated the part of the law that prohibits U.S. armed forces from being involved in military actions for more than 60 days without congressional authorization.
That said it is good to know that republicans are truly concerned about discretionary spending cuts, among which defense spending tends to be at the very top:
House Speaker John Boehner told a news conference on Thursday the Kucinich resolution probably would be dealt with on Friday after Republicans meet to talk about Libya.
"We'll see what our members have to say, but I expect that this issue will be resolved tomorrow," he said. Asked if some alternative proposals might also be on the floor, he said, "we're going to have a conversation with our members today and we'll see what they have to say about it."
And if M.A.D. fails, there's always crocodile tears.
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We will fight to the last drop of precious oil.
Congress is to follow the will of the people not the will of the pentagon or anyone other group.
Sit down and shut up, pentagon. Military telling civilian government what they should do ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
More theatrics. All of this is staged. Gadaffi as a threat is still valuable to TPTB. that is the only reason he is allowed to continue his saber rattling bullshit. I wish iran would just hurry up and get a nuke already so i can get a 1000 points down on the /es and retire from this rat race.
as a great cuban man once said,
This is total BS. The Pentagon and the industrial war complex is talking complete bull shit. How many time and events has the US and other NATO nations been at odds..........let me see, lets try Iraq. What happened........not a f****** thing. The breakdown in leadership and the checks and balance system of our government is the event that will/is killing this nation. There is absolutely no reason for the US to be in Lybia.....none.........zero. It's all about oil....Ten years ago I wouldn't have said this......today I'm convinced.
"It sends an unhelpful message of disunity and uncertainty to our troops, our allies and, most importantly, the Gaddafi regime,"
Acording to the WH SPOX at the start of this WAR.....we "will only be there for a few days". Besides....we don't have any boots on the ground, i.e. "our troops". Right......RIGHT!!
Screw the War Powers Act, Congress needs to vote get the hell out of NATO, the UN & every other worthless global enterprise (IMF, World Bank, etc.)?
and I might add that no matter what all the chest thumping would be commando's that post here claim, about their stash of ammo and spam, (I do feel sad for them) once "they" decide to come for you, they'll get you. I for one am old enough to possibly stay here and fight them, but what about my children and their children, is it fair to let the fight also come to them? I say it's better to make sacrifices now and get the f*ck out of here and make a life somewhere else, if not for us then for our kids.
Has the memo come down yet about "Preserving our precious bodily fluids"?
CW
Kucinich should be reminded of the Wellstone Paradox.
Welcome to the Fascist States of Amerika.
Time is running out, the Congress needs to impeach the current Emperor, haul-in the previous Emperor and starve the Pentagon for funds.
Chances of this happening.......
The US government must be afraid of what NATO does... or else what
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our destiny will suffer the whims of tiny dictators and uncertain conflicts that threaten the US constitution.
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cant they just use more QE to save our freedom?
How does it feel to live in a Crypto-Fascist state?
....and Fukishima smolders away. It looks like three buildings are currently smoking.
http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html
jim cramer was talking about the fukushima bottom last night on his show.........
You actually watch that moron?
Get afucking life already, or kick the dog around.
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chugoku-np.co.j...
if this is true and i am sure it is probably much worse , then basically what you have here , is a bunch of walking dead people......
#1 "The world will end if you do not do what i say!"
#2 "The world will end if you do not do what i say!"
#3 "The world will end if you do not do what i say!"
.....
#890324809438209430284032 "The world will end if you do not do what i say!"
Geez, with so many ways around every corner to doom the world, it's a wonder we're still alive.... good that we have them, doing such a perfect job in avoiding all those armageddons.
"Get me coke, mkay?" "What???" "The world will end if i do not get my coke!"
Shut that little Kucinich bitch up!!! Is he not an AmeriKKKlansmen? Doesn't he see this is the KKK Bankster Empire and not America anymore? The constitution? Pfft! Big Sis Napolitano on TV at Walmart, at sports venues, fondling at TSA every time you fly and Supreme Fascist Court of Shit decisions is all the constitution you gonna get, biatches!
KKK Banksters! Shit yeah!!
This is about getting banker-boy Kucinich good publicity after his atrocious voting record including voting against Ron Paul's thorough audit.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/materials/HR1207-Shame-List.pdf
Dennis wouldn't dare say Obama's murderous rampages are illegal and aren't covered for any length of time by the War Powers Resolution because the US was not in imminent danger when it attacked Libya.
The House already passed legislation giving US presidents perpetual war powers:
http://www.infowars.com/congress-to-authorize-perpetual-war-with-no-enem...
Actually, Ron Paul said that Dennis votes like him more than nearly anyother Rep.
He could only say that if he were on drugs.
Cognitive dissonance... Eat crow, bitch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJcnoDfFWhM
so like if the CIA failed on 911... and africa can go bananas anti-imperial... well aint that a shame if NATO didnt do something about it
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like another algerian 10yr war in the midst of regional revolution... Wee need more CIA that speak berber i guess, i hope they at least thoght THAT thru this time lolz
Am I perceiving this right? It's far better to kill our troops in a useless combat arena than to send an unhelpful message of disunity.
So would it not be dis-unity, in fact TREASON for starting an illegal war. This is why the military is required to get permission to go to war before they do. IT STOPS IT FROM LOOKING AS IF THEY ARE A COUNTRY AND GOVERNMENT OF THEIR OWN, WHEN THE ENTIRE REST OF THE NATION DOES NOT WANT TO BE AT WAR.
So, best to try one general or one president for treason and stop the B/S threats that "oh dear, we will look like we don't agree if you don't submit to our treasonous blackmail".
... but as everyone knows, the US was treasonously conquered by the banking empire long ago and all of the wars in the middle east are about growing the banking empire and has nothing to do with oil, freedom, democracy and such.
The more power they are allowed to have the more apparent our slavery will become.
Everything Eisenhower warned about has come to be.
+MIC
Robert Reich made this very point last night on a short 'marketplace' commentary and named the defense contractors that are the big-spenders on lobbyists and political pimping, opining that Obama has the right to rule them by executive decree, and place restraints on their influence-peddling, something I'm sure Obamites will chortle at.
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/06/01/pm-conflict-of-interest-contractors-and-their-political-spending/
disclaimer: the poster owns no stake in robert reich.
disclaimer: the poster owns no stake in robert reich
lol, thanks for the visual.
Ron Paul is right! Stop the wars!! If nothing else they are a waste of $.
i hope the colonel lives through all of this.
They'll keep him alive for awhile. They desperately need more boogie men (Emmanuel Goldstein characters) right now.
when the Pentagram says the show must go on...it goes on or those who disagree meet with various flavors of misfortune... false flag in the near future?
Its apparenty Humanitarian to invade a sovereign state that poses no threat to US Territory, bomb their civilians [again], create false flag racially-oriented terror incidents on the ground [the 'democratic' rebels now kill blacks on sight because our ops convinced them Q-man was hiring black mercenaries to kill and rape them all], install a puppet rebel regime [with a big fat loan package from your favorite international loanshark banksters], and proceed to bomb all the assets of the state into the stone age, reducing their value to an attractive purchase-point with an even bigger loan package to come [padding with real oil & minerals the balance sheets of the involved banksters who sent us].
The message is: if you're a small rogue state with lots of natural resources and little debt, your family will be killed by the Humanitarians, you will be offed and your goods confiscated. Then your bombed-out state will descend into constant civil war [financed on both sides by your favorite humanitarian banksters] until Islamists manage to cobble together a ruling coalition.
that pretty much sums up the last 50 years or so, (and sadly the next 50 maybe)
Word. All that's left to say is that if the Daily Bell is right, then all this is part of the plan by the City of London elites.
Blue stained dresses are grounds for impeachment and declaring war without Congress isn't.
They get mad at things that PAY them to get mad about.
Heh, reminds me of this little gem from a few years back...
Alert: Bush/Cheney apologist on my junk! Ah well, nm, they never have anything to actually SAY anyway; pretty tough to defend the indefensible, after all.
May I post some info I recieved on Thomas Jefferson?
Thomas Jefferson
This is amazing. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part (in RED).
Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.
? At 5, began studying under his cousin's tutor.
? At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.
? At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.
? At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.
? At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.
? At 23, started his own law practice.
? At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
? At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America " and retired from his law practice.
? At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.
? At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence .
? At 33, took three years to revise Virginia 's legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.
? At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.
? At 40, served in Congress for two years.
? At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.
? At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.
? At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.
? At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.
? At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .
? At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation's size.
? At 61, was elected to a second term as President.
? At 65, retired to Monticello .
? At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.
? At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.
? At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams
Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:
John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe ." -- Thomas Jefferson
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -- Thomas Jefferson
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson
"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
The US government has spent enough money in all these ignorant war campaigns where every American could have a million dollars in their bank accounts right now and a real recovery happening, and real GDP growth instead of the fake crap we get handed to us by the paid shills. Unreal!! Oh wait, it is for real. What was I thinking..
you were thinking of `surreal` mb?
aint democracy a bitch when it comes to the military and bankers. that's why both and our government are doing all the can to get rid of it.
Ben Laden is dead. The Administration needs another poster boy to beat up, to demonize, to give the US an excuse to stay in the middle east and north africa--as if it cared about excuses or reasons.
If you all are just now admitting we are there for oil and for the industrial/military complex's pocket books, well, the past 10 or 20 years must have been a wonderful oblivion: obviously you have been hooked up somewhere to some great horse.
The problem with all this talking shit is that it gets none of us anywhere. It serves the administration because all of our steam is locked in Tyler's little comment boxes.
There isn't a fuckiing thing anyone can do about the political/military/economic situation in America, except find a neat place with a neat person and get high or stoned and stay that way.
Gates, in his farewell interviews with NPR [that's Nat'l Propaganda Radio] is saying that we have to buy-out the Taliban and give 'em a place at the table. that way O can declare victory and move on to demonizing the Pakis, then bombing them, then putting the islamists in charge of the nukes. just think of it as "final solution redux"
NPR stands for National Pentagon Radio... or, National Petroleum Radio...
Its time for the little guys to start using the "MAD" threats.
We could all threaten to buy silver unless congress balances the budget. Wonder how much the banksters would like MAD coming at them!
http://www.silverdoctors.com/
Why beg?
Walk away from this fucking system. Do that and they all become irrelevant: yeah, sure, they will escape punishment, but that's the case anyway (better let them figure out how to live in the real world where you actually have to do real work in order to live).
don't worry, big O will take lil' Dennis on a trip to Cleveland again on AF1, privately give him an offer he can't refuse on the plane and then publicly mock him in his hometown. lil' Dennis will back down again like a good little boy.
someone with cajones needs to stand up to big O. lil' Dennis ain't it.
Sigh, that's it exactly. Kucinich barked and then bowed down to the "Party" at the 2004 national convention. Perhaps he learned that he didn't want to wear bullet-proof vests anymore? Pretty much proof that you can't change the system (from the inside, let alone from the outside).
Still provides for some good theatre though... and unlike the others who are wholy bought, Kusinich's performances are much cheaper.
This is straight out of the Viet Nam war playbook. Is it 1968, yet?
When they crank up the draft.
gallows humour. *nods*
That's absurd. Oh, wait...
The government only has to follow the parts of the Constitution that it wants to.
There's an amendment called the 'Convenience Clause,' or it's called something similar. It was pocket legislation added to the Unpatriotic Act.
Cognus, your posts in Tyler today are the best I have seen in here in over a year. Applause. Come back a lot. This place needs some substance, rather than bitchezzzz!
everyone's a puppet to the the beast.
Kucinich and the Rest of Congress are dumb donkeys:
Forget the flipping War Powers Act (which is of dubious Constitutionality any way).
The violation here is of the Constitution and Congress' power to declare war (or not). The President has no (zero, zip, nada) authority to wage war against a country that has neither threatened war nor attacked the U.S.
And before anybody throws Iraq out there, Bush at least had both a joint declaration of Congress post 9/11 and multiple armstice violations with Iraq to point to.
Afghanistan?
It will be interesting to see if Dennis has the balls to litigate the War Powers act. It would almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional. It would be comical to watch the hyper liberal Administration trying to argue against it at the SC. If any of these folks really wanted to stop our involvement in Libya, it's a simple matter of defunding it - again, if any of these folks had a pair.
Yeah, those Libyans are sneaky bastards. The only real protection for Americans is the fact that over 95% of American homes own guns!!!!!!!!!!!!! I sleep well under the blanket of protection that "I" provide. Not some Fucked-Up government who can't even balance a check book and have maxed out every credit card it gets it's creasy fingers on.......Nuff Said!
Yet another "emergency" to violate the rule of law and send people off to die or kill for no good reason.
Fuck NATO ...and Fuck the Pentagon....
Are they not the terrorist that took down building # 7.?
"It sends an unhelpful message of disunity and uncertainty to our troops, our allies and, most importantly, the Gaddafi regime"
of course congress needs to obey the pentagon and rubber stamp the murderer-in-chief's war of imperial aggression....