As People Not In Labor Force Hit New Record, Those Who "Want A Job Now" Jump By 232,000 In One Month

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Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:24 | 1247101 John Law Lives
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Don't confuse the MSM with the facts.  The corksoakers at CNBC want to have a party no matter what.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:28 | 1247110 King Durian
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If 20 million Americans are looking for work, and 7000 are finding it,  then 1 in 700 Americans who want a job right now are finding one outside of McDonalds. I'm so depressed at this I dont even want to say bitchezzzz.....

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:37 | 1247129 Blotsky
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Its... its.. the something of a "recovery"? right?

But... but... 62,000 were hired at McDonalds, right?

Riiiigggghhhttt. It's a joke. Thats all it is.

Ive been online, and I'll tell you this. Any jobs that are out there require, for the most part, to be fair, a four year degree.

For every job that pays anything decent and does not require such, is in the areana, where you have the opportunity of fighting starving lions, with families to feed. And since I am of the younger demographic, with less experience, this poses a problem.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:02 | 1247309 ElvisDog
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It's very hard to find a job online, because many (most?) companies don't hire from online resumes or applications they receive. Many (most?) jobs are filled by knowing someone in the company or by other word-of-mouth means.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:04 | 1247312 goldfish1
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But whatever do you mean? Reuters says:

Economy posts largest job gains in 11 months

I mean, that's gooood, isn't it?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:45 | 1248090 sethstorm
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Then make it impossible to require the degree.  Or to pass up the unemployed.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:08 | 1248213 Silveroz
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No McDonald's Jobs.  It would be nice if people actually understood the reports before commenting on them.  The McDonald's hring took place the 19th of April, the reference week for this report was the 11th of April, thus no McDonald's jobs in this report (they will be in next month though).

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:40 | 1247163 Hedge Jobs
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would you like bitchezzz with that

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:41 | 1247171 Blotsky
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That would make my day alot easier!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:30 | 1247123 FreakuentFlyer
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are they looking for these jobs on their iPhones or on their iPads - perhaps Monster jobs has not yet been able to get Apple approval for their mobile apps?


i mean the headline does say they want Jobs right now!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:32 | 1247131 Cleanclog
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Birth/death . . . what will bring more jobs? Lower wages, desperation via deflation.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:34 | 1247148 Kyron95131
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don't worry, our current domestic economic policies are hard at work growing our own 3rd world labor force right here at home to compete with vietnam to lure our loving and caring manufacturing jobs back!

its gonna be great when we can make the shit we buy again!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:50 | 1247237 takinthehighway
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The bugger of it is that a lot of factory owners, when they closed the factory, sold the machines to overseas concerns. It won't be a matter of walking in and flipping switches to get rolling again.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:30 | 1247132 6 String
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Great job fellow ZH's (on the boards), we predicted the NFP number couldn't be bad today, and that there would be virtually no chance of a flash crash today and the markets would rally hard today.

Every single moment is like Deja Vu all over again. This is getting too easy. I can't wait until the entire house of cards come down at this point. 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:32 | 1247133 redpill
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Wasn't that about the same amount of people that just came off the unemployment rolls?  What a coincidence!


Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:34 | 1247137 Clorox Cowboy
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Wait...that can't be right.  Using those numbers doesn't seem to line up with the official unemployment statistic.  I think your chart is upside down, Tyler.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:36 | 1247145 Alex Kintner
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But the Red trend line of "People who want a job" is going Up. "Up" is good -- I was always taught. Or is that "Greed". I get confuzed.  Opps, gotta go. I see a stray cat in the yard. Tonight we eat meat bitchez.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:33 | 1247146 mlbs
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I have a friend that constantly keeps saying "well these jobs are better than what they had before, which was nothing." I find it hard to base a recovery off that idea.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:42 | 1247179 Kina
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Usually if I'm looking for a good head job I go to MarketWatch - they have much practice on TPTB.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:36 | 1247156 Kina
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This is never coming to an end.

The woes and disruption that happened in Japan still coming through, Europe still struggling and German and UK just crunched a reverse gear. I expect real unemployment to increase.

The deficit is just gonna grow and grow.


There is no way out - just to choose which way the you want to kill the economy. Austerity or Hyperinflation.




Fri, 05/06/2011 - 15:31 | 1248874 Carl Spackler
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Austerity doesn't kill the economy.  Wreckless government does, however.

Austerity puts more money back in the hands of consumers, who can then go out and consume some more, and we can get the velocity of money upticking.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:36 | 1247157 r101958
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posted this yesterday (hey I ought to change my handle to Nostradamus, eh?)-

by r101958
on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 16:25

We may see a surprising UE number tomorrow, no? That might explain some of always prices things in early....and we certainly wouldn't get the word ahead of time (like the big boys).

by r101958
on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 16:30

...soooo, when they come out with 9.2% UE then the market can go up and the commodities will stay the same or go up a little....maybe, go up big as then the market would see QE3 as assured....heck, who knows.



Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:40 | 1247168 silvertrain
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When does all of those 99'ers come off?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:38 | 1247172 buzzsaw99
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As long as the fake ass stock market keeps pushing toward giddy heights all is well.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:39 | 1247174 King Durian
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1 in 700 finding non McD work that are looking... Mongolia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia, its all the same.. they can find jobs that are not McD jobs..but real salary in USD is less than a McD worker in the States.. so real high quality jobs in abundance, I don't know of anywhere personally where they are. Perhaps Australia and New Zealand.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:39 | 1247178 Cassandra Syndrome
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Shocking figure in the statistics about the Labour Force in the US, is that only 8% of those in emploment are in manufacturing.

Imo, thats the key problem with the US Economy.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:45 | 1247198 Kina
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And if they cut military spending there goes those jobs at defense companies. The policy settings will be for more wars.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:42 | 1247181 King Durian
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1 in 700 finding non McD work that are looking... Mongolia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia, its all the same.. they can find jobs that are not McD jobs..but real salary in USD is less than a McD worker in the States.. so real high quality jobs in abundance, I don't know of anywhere personally where they are. Perhaps Australia and New Zealand.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:42 | 1247182 cocoablini
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Jobs surprise at + 230,000 but unemploymemt stays at 9%. real unemployment still equals 17. Real, real= 21.
if the Fed uses 9 then QE3 should not happen...

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:42 | 1247195 Silveroz
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Wow are you off here.  First, the seasonally adjusted not in the labor force who want a job only went up by 30,000.  But, since you like to use unadjusted numbers when they suit your beliefs, that means that the actual job creation number for the month was +1.169 million and the unemployment rate dropped to 8.7%.  Second, you don't think that maybe those not in the labor force may be increasing due to boomers retiring?  It is very likely that the not in the labor force number is going to continue to rise regardless of the state of the economy as the huge boomer population leaves the workforce. 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:19 | 1247372 TomJoad
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Wow, you are an idiot.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:23 | 1247401 Silveroz
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Fabulous comeback.  You even supported it with data.  This site is becoming a big circle jerk, facts be damned.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:37 | 1247452 topcallingtroll
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I agree.

The dumbazz probably doesnt know the difference between u3 and u6.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:37 | 1247454 LRC Fan
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Fuck you.  Don't let the door hit you on the way out, douche. 


You want Facts?-You are a fucking idiot.  The economy is, and always has been, in a deep deep recession/depression since mid 2007.  What proof do I have?  Price the Dow in Gold...collapse, bitchez.  Also things will become much more clear in the next few years as the ponzi unravels. 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:47 | 1247514 topcallingtroll
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Maybe the economy will collapse maybe not.

One thing for sure is you will always parrot simple superficial cliches.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:39 | 1247467 Alex Kintner
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SilverOz has been predicting a job market rebound since the summer of 2009. Eventually he'll be right -- one can hope.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:00 | 1248187 Burnbright
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All I hear out of your mouth is excuses. Seasonal adjustments were made specifically to reflect statistical bias. I'm sorry but when you have a birth death model adding 175K jobs it is being used to add jobs as part of your calculation something is seriously wrong. The BLS is a joke, it tries to use every excuse it can to pump employement numbers higher and unemployment numbers lower. Why do you think they use U3 vs U6 now to show unemployement, why do you think people are no longer counted after two years of unemployement. Hell why do you think they calculate this shit when all it would take is for the IRS to release the number of tax reciepts they recieved for a given month and bam no fucking statistics needed at all. But then they wouldn't be able to bullshit their way to a higher employment number then would they.

This shit is a bad joke.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 14:42 | 1248685 newworldorder
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Burnbright; You are correct. The IRS has most of the information necessary to generate accurate payroll data.

The answer is that the governing authorities do not want real numbers released. The more grey the numbers and many variedsurveys there are, the more spin and confusion. Economists with their alleged math skills have become the pimps for the governing and bankster classes.

So, here we all are, as well as at multiple other blogs and news sites arguing about the color, taste, shape of the toothpaste, without really asking if the toothpaste cleans teeth as intended.

I have worked in large companies in manpower planning and can tell you that the way economists count employment statistics is bullshit. The decision to hire is based on two things initially. What revenue can a new hire generate now or in anticipation of future potential revenue increases.

Every manager/owner who cannot adequately answer these questions, is not allowed or does not increase headcount in their business.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:42 | 1247197 Internet Tough Guy
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There are still some high-paying jobs avaiable but they require specialized high skill training and considerable experience. The lower 80% of the job market seems to be totally gone.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:48 | 1248121 sethstorm
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Then obliterate the requirements, and train on-the-job to make up the difference.  But then that'd be a long term investment. 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:45 | 1247199 writingsonthewall
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I know of 1 new vacancy this week.


"Wanted - new young and dynamic leader for a well established and large terror organisation based in and around Afghanistan. Much travel involved and the chance to expand your horizons. Own car essential - but accomodation is provided. Must have good TV face and be able to dictate long speeches in Arabic. Pay circa $100,000 a year in unmarked bills left in a suitcase at Karachi airport. No time wasters please"

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:46 | 1247204 tgatliff
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I dont understand why you are depressed... The economy is shifting back to fundamental economic activity.  In the short term, I agree it will be very painful for people who have little to know real skills, but the economy will be better because of it.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:55 | 1247270 Dapper Dan
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Little to know, you no like typing/spelling skills?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:31 | 1247432 topcallingtroll
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Probably auto complete!

It is very hard to drive and hedge simultaneously.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 14:20 | 1248584 ColonelCooper
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Then he must have an algo enabled device, because no and know don't start with the same letter????

That said I EFFING HATE the grammar police around here.  Did the guy get his point across clearly?  Then ball off.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:47 | 1247211 Kina
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I suspect boomers will be delaying their retirement for some time.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 10:33 | 1247431 riley martini
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 I heard alot of the new jobs at fast food places are going to people in their 50s and 60s . I think I will go look for myself and maybe get a Happy Meal.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:50 | 1247219 outamyeffinway
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Only 232K.....?

Nevermind the 900K people who didn't get the job at MickyD's!!!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:49 | 1247228 r101958
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The 99'ers are dropping off incrementally.

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