Perception, Inception and the Trojan Horse Money Meme - Part Two of Four

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Sat, 05/14/2011 - 03:05 | 1273878 Trifecta Man
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You re doing a very good job at tying down how belief systems (often from others) influnce the reality we think we may be perceiving.  It was back in late 2002 when I realized the insanity of the Fed lowering interest rates to 1% while we constantly increase US debt higher.  Essentially I concluded that the Fed was just going to print money.  The correct response to that is to own real goods, not paper money.  Owning precious metals became a possible way to protect myself from this counterfeiting.  (I know that believing in metals as a store of wealth is also a suspect concept, but at least it takes real effort to produce them.)  It seems like that bandwagon is finally taking off.

Looking at the recent setback in the exchange rate between gold or silver and paper currency, along with the ever increasing debt burden and obligations of the US government, I am now firmly convinced that our currency is just a sham operation for the "rich" to entrap most people into slave labor.  Because I made debt payoff a priority, and now own my house totally, while increasing my purchasing power in stupid fiat with reality-oriented investments, I'm doing quite well,  Even without a job, an event I knew was in my future,  I psychologically prepared myself to increase my accepting freedom from the rich slave-drivers.

I believe we are here to learn how to handle our own creativity.  I set goals for myself and look for ways to actualize them.  It takes time and effort, but I dig creating reality.

One may not be able to immediately end these shams and crimes perpetrated by the "rich", but I think the best response is to individually create a better reality for yourself, and then show that it can be done to those ready to learn how to create reality for themselves.  Historically, every morally corrupt system seems to eventually fall apart as the people gradually learn to assert themselves.  Bring it on!

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 14:08 | 1264103 ShankyS
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Well done CD. All I can say is ditto.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:32 | 1263573 Maximus Failius
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While i have never experimented with hallucinogenics, there is an interesting debate about their ability to help you explore consciousness if used responsibly, as a tool.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:33 | 1263621 Cognitive Dissonance
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.....ability to help you explore conciousness if used responsably, as a tool.

I agree. The spirit molecule(s) must be treated with great respect and care. And most importantly you must be invited rather than invite yourself. If invited you will be seized with the need to explore. This will be how you will know the spirit molecule is calling.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:35 | 1263636 Maximus Failius
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<i>And most importantly you must be invited rather than invite yourself.</i>


Can you elaborate?

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:51 | 1263741 Cognitive Dissonance
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I suspect that for some this will sound like mumbo jumbo. But it was an important lesson for me.

We have all heard the saying "The teacher will appear when the student is ready." The spirit molecule is a teacher. The student must be ready to hear the lesson, otherwise it will be garbled and incomprehensible. Worse it might frighten or even damage.

When we have done enough inner work to take the next step and thus we are ready to "listen to learn from the ancient wisdom", then we will 'know' deep inside we are ready and we will be called to class.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 13:48 | 1264014 Maximus Failius
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It makes perfect sense to me, not mumbo jumbo at all.  Thank you.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:32 | 1263558 dexter_morgan
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Wow.......impressive and thought provoking!

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:02 | 1263419 Gyro Gearloose
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I admire what your doing CD.  Like myself you have done a great deal of internal exploration. When we return to normal "consciousness" we retain merely a glimpse of what was experianced and to make matters worse we only have the most clumsy of tools,.... words...  to share our experiance with others.

As you point out, definitions of even common words have slightly different meanings to each person.

In skillfully gearing your text to your present audience I highly suspect you have a damn hard time reining yourself back from going down the rabbit hole to far and even beyond the rabbit hole, over feeding can kill ;-)

Keep up the good work!

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:44 | 1263689 Cognitive Dissonance
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.....reining yourself back from going down the rabbit hole to far and even beyond the rabbit hole, over feeding can kill ;-)

At one time I was the type of person who would scream from the mountain top. Thankfully I was able to stop after a while and consider why people were running away from me rather than towards.

To be honest it was something my mother told me several years ago that changed my direction. I was describing my frustration when she stopped me and asked me how I had grown so dumb in my old age. She then asked me why I expected to be able to fill an eight ounce water glass with a fire hose.

Wisdom from someone who was willing to share given to someone who was willing to listen. The teacher had arrived because the student was finally ready. I thank her every day and twice on Sunday. :>)

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:59 | 1263402 velobabe
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great story!

i will show you mine, if you show me yours†

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:40 | 1263308 ZeroAffect
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Great stuff, CD and at least most ZH'ers are in the 10% - 20% who are not willing to 'go-along to get-along' any longer.  

We will not overcome our present/future enslavement to the so-called 'master' in the conventional way, because as you aptly put it, "To engage the master using the master’s tools in the master’s game under the master’s rules is worse than useless because it simply reinforces the master’s power to create the illusion. They run a rigged game in which only a fool or the insane would participate. Or those sufficiently hypnotized to believe what they are told is real."

We must choose the path that leads to life, liberty and justice because something BIG is coming, the Grand Delusion. Are we really, truly ready?

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:28 | 1263250 cainhoy
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there is a small city park across from the office where I work (big ten bank). Unaccountably, in the park there is a small stream in a wooded area that meanders as it has for hundreds or thousands of years, untouched by the bloodbath of history. A small foot bridge crosses the stream. When I pause on the bridge and look at the stream and the green leafy woods, a great peace comes over me. I now realize that this is because there is no one and nothing there to tell me how I should perceive it, no one there trying to sell me something and no one there trying to tell me how I should feel about it.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:22 | 1263504 falak pema
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The buddhists maintain that the Gautama's voyage inwards is the source of all self knowledge. You seem to be under that tree of his, on your bridge. I can't for the life of me reconcile the Buddha paradigm which is about personal, individual perfection in isolation, and the Alexander/Caesar paradigm which implies that the individual is nothing and the great scheme of things all. How did Jesus do it : give unto...? It's impossible for common man..AS when we have our back to the wall the only choice is : legionary or Spartacus! Difficult to imagine cognitive dissonance being accepted by the Oligarchs from their sheeple on massive scale. And difficult to imagine the sheeple not coalescing one day into an anti-oligarchic political force. Middle road cannot be the solution in society; its one or the other. Whatever we may feel is our personal salvation, we'll get sucked into the whirlpool one day. Just my intuition, not that the Boomers will do the dirty work...we were lucky as a group.

But not those who follow...and its a world wide problem.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:34 | 1263276 Cognitive Dissonance
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True freedom. Rarely recognized.....even when we get our feet wet. :>)

Thank you for your thoughtful comment.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:16 | 1263195 doomandbloom
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Reminds me of the double slit experiment of Quantum Physics...reality is made by the observer...everything around us is made by our perception...

A diseased collective reality, as we indoctrinate more and more kids into this...

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:42 | 1263316 Cognitive Dissonance
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I hear so many people tell me that they understand the role of consciousness in creating reality "BUT" what does that have to do with their day to day reality. Clearly I am talking to a mind so captured by the box that they don't recognize the box they/we have created and currently occupy nor would they recognize anything outside the box if it grabbed them by the leg. They just speak the words to feel better about the living conditions within the box.

I don't say this to demean. I struggle as well. It's so difficult to break away when everything in this present reality won't let you go. This is why we must begin the journey within. Free the mind and the body will follow. It all comes down to desire and intent.

I ride a motorcycle and have been for over 50 years. I was fortunate to learn from an expert at a very early age, well before I got my license to ride. One day I was complaining to that expert that I was always hitting a deep hole on the motocross track. He told me to stop looking at the hole when I get to that point and instead look 2 feet to the left or right. I never hit that hole again.

As with all things in life you go in the direction you are looking. That's the reason we must work on the mind first. Then the body naturally follows.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:17 | 1263479 doomandbloom
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"BUT" what does that have to do with their day to day reality.


Actually there is no distinction between this reality and some other reality....i dont see a distinction between physical and mental...its a continuous stream of perception.

Why do we feel like waking up the "sheeple", while they are enjoying their reality? infact they are the ones who are sorted. We are the sad ones, who for some reason believe we have found something better. How are we different from the Fed who are trying to create and sell a form of reality?


Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:55 | 1263368 Maximus Failius
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There is no spoon.....


I understand the concept, but folding that idea into my subconcious experience of the world is something i have struggled to do.  Every so  often i feel as though  the spoon begins to bend, but the experience remains elusive and temporary so far.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:29 | 1263583 Cognitive Dissonance
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I talk about that "Matrix" quote in today's Chapter Three........coming to a ZH near you.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 10:17 | 1262805 SilverBaron
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Unfortunately we don't get to decide what reality we live in.  It has been decided for us by past generations who set up a reality that is nigh impossible for most to escape.  The part that bothers me (and I'm sure many others) is the knowledge that it didn't get this way on accident.  There were, and still are hands purposely guiding us down this dark road we find ourselves on where lies must be blindly accepted as truth.  

Have you ever tried to think of what the world would be like if you were in charge?  What reality would you construct for the masses?  If you were to suddenly stumble upon the one ring of power what would you do with it?  Would you even pick it up, or would you be like Gandalf or the Lady of the Wood and be smart enough to realize that absolute power would corrupt you?  I have pondered this question and come to the conclusion that if I were suddenly given the power of God that I would give it back to Him immediately.

I guess if I was forced to be God the first thing I would do is take away the ability to lie.  That alone would have probably prevented most of our problems.  All politicians should be hooked to lie detectors while speaking.  If they lie a big red light should light and a loud buzzer should sound.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 10:34 | 1262870 Maximus Failius
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Silver Baron,


Given my background in engineering i think the "guiding hand" has been minimal over time.  What i see is a self organizing system.  Such systems are way more common then most people think and self organizing systems also tend to be self re-enforcing.  I have found that my studies of PID control systems were some of the more illuminating studies i have undertaken since it is the study of the control of complex systems and their associated feedback loops.


Have you ever tried to think of what the world would be like if you were in charge?  What reality would you construct for the masses?

Why do you need a constructed reality?  In this little scenario i would promote an abscene of constructed reality.  People would need a common interface to facilitate the transmission of ideas, but a world where your percection of reality is self discovered and not taught would be an astounding society.  Of course such a society would be a complete failure in modern terme as it would probably resemble proposed models of steady state economics as opposed to growth based economics.  At the end of the day i believe there would be a fair amount of naturally occuring common ground  simply because we are all the same species of animal.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 10:37 | 1262909 Cognitive Dissonance
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Given my background in engineering i think the "guiding hand" has been minimal over time. 

Minimal does not mean the hidden hand has not been extremely influential. It simply takes advantage of a natural force such as gravity by starting the snowball down the hill. It doesn't need to micromanage in order for the process to create a much larger 'snowball' at the bottom. 

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:50 | 1262648 Maximus Failius
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I am in a similiar occupation and the engrained dogma drives me insane.  How many talented and creative minds capable of substantial mental horsepower are rendered still and silent simply because the existing dogma has conditioned them not think beyond what they are told to think?

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:55 | 1262644 TheAkashicRecord
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This is a good time to post some RAW quotes!

"It's important to abolish the unconscious dogmatism that makes people think their way of looking at reality is the only sane way of viewing the world. My goal is to try to get people into a state of generalized agnosticism, not agnosticism about God alone, but agnosticism about everything. If one can only see things according to one's own belief system, one is destined to become virtually deaf, dumb, and blind. It's only possible to see people when one is able to see the world as others see it. That's what guerrilla ontology is — breaking down this one-model view and giving people a multi-model perspective."

"Every war results from the struggle for markets and spheres of influence, and every war is sold to the public by professional liars and totally sincere religious maniacs, as a Holy Crusade to save God and Goodness from Satan and Evil."

" Instead of governments we should have contractual associations that you can opt out of if you don't like the way the association is going."

"Obviously, the faster we process information, the more rich and complex our models or glosses — our reality-tunnels — will become. Resistance to new information, however, has a strong neurological foundation in all animals, as indicated by studies of imprinting and conditioning. Most animals, including most domesticated primates (humans) show a truly staggering ability to "ignore" certain kinds of information — that which does not "fit" their imprinted/conditioned reality-tunnel. We generally call this "conservatism" or "stupidity", but it appears in all parts of the political spectrum"

"Whatever the Thinker thinks, the Prover will prove. And if the Thinker thinks passionately enough, the Prover will prove the thought so conclusively that you will never talk a person out of such a belief, even if it is something as remarkable as the notion that there is a gaseous vertebrate of astronomical heft ("GOD") who will spend all eternity torturing people who do not believe in his religion."





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Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:08 | 1263127 tip e. canoe
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nice one, your latest tweet

"I had a thought yesterday about the brain working like WinZip, expanding compressed packets of information, and that is consciousness"

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:42 | 1262597 Sophist Economicus
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Hey CD, I like where you're going.   I don't agree with everything, of course, but your pieces are thought provoking...

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:51 | 1262653 Cognitive Dissonance
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Then I have done my job. Like I say at the very beginning of each chapter.

The intent of this essay is not to convince the reader of anything other than the need to expand our depth perception of the consensus reality. Consider this essay as an invitation to think free of constraints.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 08:53 | 1262390 LawsofPhysics
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Nice work CD.  In my field (science and engineering) we praise people who, after being confined to boxes for their entire training period (ten years minimum), think outside of the box.  Unfortunately science and engineering is now more dogmatic than ever.  Thinking differently will result in a loss of customers, clients, and funding.  It pisses me off that true innovators must go along with dogma that they know is wrong (while making their ideas look "unique") to simply get the funding to develop the truly innovative technology.  In short, the fraud that has been committed now extends and permeates every aspect of humanity.  Humanity will be forced to confront all this in time, or it will simply self destruct.  My employees and I work hard, but we also have a trail network on the company property, so I encourage everyone to get out, every day if they can, and ride walk or jog for at least an hour or two.  You might think that this would make people tired and they would go home early.  In contrast, I find myself having productive unplanned discussions with people until nine or ten at night.  So long as people are not aware of the "box" that they are in, they will never be able to think outside of it.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:03 | 1262416 Cognitive Dissonance
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So long as people are not aware of the "box" that they are in, they will never be able to think outside of it.

From Chapter Three which will post this afternoon around 6-7 PM EDT

Push past the obvious reasons for this insanity, for example the deliberate structuring of a social order that creates internal and external conflicts of interest that to the average person is essentially a trap. Instead see that the process of ‘meme’ implanting begins at birth and continues until we die. Our ‘reality’ is in part an artificial creation that only feels ‘real’ because we know of no other. One cannot see outside the box unless one recognizes we are in a box and that we are capable of recognizing what ‘outside’ would look, feel and sound like if we saw it.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 10:21 | 1262811 Maximus Failius
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The question that follows is how do you raise a child to explore reality and not just fabsord the standard meme?  Can you do so without alienating them from their standard environment since there is a strong social stigma for questioning the status quo.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 10:32 | 1262887 Cognitive Dissonance
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You don't or can't. There must be some compromise involved if you expect the child to interact socially. I suspect this is the reason why some cultures prefer to remain isolated, to maintain a controlled environment that nurtures (or rejects) open minds.

This is the truly destructive effect of Ponzi capitalism. It must feed off a constant supply of greater fools in order to continue to grow. It is not a creator but a destroyer of minds and ultimately bodies.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 10:46 | 1262974 Maximus Failius
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To play devils advocate, you could extend this such that concensus thought and religion should be considered a very real threat since both inherently limit free thought.  Spirituality is not a problem but in these terms organized religion would have to be considered exretemly hazardous.


It is also an interesting catch-22 thatyou would have to insulate a child from the greater society in order to allow them to develop their own sense of reality wihtout negative blowback.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 10:39 | 1262744 Maximus Failius
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My personal observation is that sentience / consciousness  / self-awareness is not a BINARY condition but an Analog condition.  The consequences of this if it is accurate are substantial.  Such a concept blows the political equality philosophies out of the water.  For if our sentience / consciousness  / self-awareness is analog then no 2 people have the same capacity to experience an event in the same manner.  A higher level of sentience could be conditioned to experience a lower level ( which in my opinion is what we are currently experiencing) but there is probably some limit to how much higher a lower level of sentience can be brought up.

Of course one has to be cautious here as this is not some frame work for justifying one individual is better or more deserving then another just as being taller doesn't make you more deserving or "better" than someone who is shorter.  What it would do is completely redefine how our society interacts.  This concept could also have some interesting conclusions derived from it such as inherent limits in our ability to perceive.  Our physiological structure most likely has some inherent limit to the degree of sentience / consciousness  / self-awareness that can be reached.


As a thought experiment and as an illistration, consider a chimp compared to a human.  A chimp has very basic sentience / consciousness  / self-awareness but does not have the physiological capacity to achieve the level of higher thought to conceptualize Newtonian mechanics.  Now imagine we can magically evolve the human physiology to some more advanced level in relative terms.  Things that would be easily perceived and blatantly obvious with only cursory examination would be beyond the capacity of the greatest modern thinkers.

Perhaps all of this has been explored, philosophy is not a subject i am well read in.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:13 | 1263165 LawsofPhysics
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Hhmm.  Would such a human, seeing what others can not, be able to embark on a campaign to rid the universe of the lesser humans?  Knowledge, is indeed power.  Absolute knowledge will corrupt absolutely.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 12:04 | 1263335 Maximus Failius
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Certainly.  But it is more likely that this mythically advanced human would be about as concerned with wiping the rest of us out as we are with wiping chimps off of the face of the earth.  I would imagine that this higher human would generally find the rest of us to be stupid, boring, and not worth their time.  We as a species, regularly kill chimps for science, for food, or for sport with little second thought to extinguishing another, albiet lower consciousness.


History generally shows that we only target a group or species for extinction when they become a direct competitor/threat.  In general a lower consciousness is unlikely to pose a direct threat or direct competition to a higher consciousness.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:05 | 1262430 LawsofPhysics
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Thanks CD, I'll look for it, but have a busy day.  Unfortunately, I need to deliver on a couple things today (the next flu vaccine depends on it).

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:54 | 1262655 falak pema
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As long as it isn't 'psychic flu'..which is beyond the laws of physics!

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 07:31 | 1262188 mccoyspace
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What is the source of this 'entrapment?' When does that valence change happen to the imagination? Is it because consciousness is always 'consciousness of' something? Embodied, oriented towards something? Is it other people? They look at me and I am a subject? Have I responded to a hail? A policeman shouts "Hey you there!" towards a person walking down the street. Upon hearing this call the person responds by turning around and in so doing is transformed into a subject. And the game begins.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 07:06 | 1262160 Moe Howard
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Thank you.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 11:03 | 1263121 DaveyJones
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most honored avatar

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 08:54 | 1262388 Cognitive Dissonance
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A (wo)man of few words.

Thank you.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 05:35 | 1262086 purplefrog
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The mind is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master.

"You are NOT your mind."  - Eckhart Tolle

Prove it to yourself.  What is your mind thinking as you read this?

This whole essay is a demonstration of the separation of the person from the mind.

They can only attack the mind and if you are controlled by your mind....

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 05:56 | 1262098 Cognitive Dissonance
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They can only attack the mind and if you are controlled by your mind....

You summed up Chapter Four. Were you peeking over my shoulder as I edited it this morning?

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 06:13 | 1262110 purplefrog
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No, just taking your message to its logical conclusion.  BTW, I love this stuff.  Thanks for giving so much of yourself in it.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 05:14 | 1262075 tip e. canoe
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a couple interesting paragraphs from a link shared by psuedoA. in part 1:

Our sole real triumph perhaps being that power of the 
intellect to hurdle even the dissolution of all being 
itself: here, taking in the entirely of the universe's 
lifespan (and knowing how it is only when we set it 
against the brief span of our own mortality that the 
universe seems "almost eternal")... we can marvel at 
last how even the span of the universe is something 
not all that different from the so abrupt lifespan of 
even the least "virtual particle" in it. 

What is obvious is that to understand the structure of 
their cosmos human beings have to divorce themselves 
from their however cherished (so exclusively human) 
prejudices. And that science really begins with the 
quest to identify all such prejudices... because the 
human perspective obviously is NOT the most universal 
but one produced strictly by the requirements of/for 
our existence (required solely for us to survive here 
where we happen to live... within the bosom of the 
"artificial nature" which is the human condition we've 
conspired with the universe to construct for 
ourselves). Something which is true for all scientific 
considerations (human endeavors), as we continue to 
"make" our entire planet into a larger and that much 
more fatal a version of what we made of Easter Island.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 08:20 | 1262291 gookempucky
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Thanks for the link TipE

With respect to this principle of evolution: If one
   considers the present universe just in light of the
   proposed "string" theories: one can hardly help
   noticing that the present universe is in many, many
   ways a very elegantly simple concept compared to
   the notorious complexity of string theories from
   which it is supposed to "originate" (from which it
   "subsequently evolves"). Something which is clearly
   a logical violation of the principle of evolution.

This paragraph echos my views of the simple concept , many subphase's compile just one simple concept. I consider CD's work and those that read and respond to his work as constructive forces working in secret that will grow unnoticed by those who would destroy their effect. Hopefully the world wizards do not realize the advance of constructive forces until, these forces have undermined the sordid structures of the selfish and self seeking. Constructive forces are definitely needed as the people of this planet are in a cycle of helpless disintegration.

Again thanks for the link


Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:24 | 1262523 lindacrabapple
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They're watching. But it really doesn't matter, we can still build community & keep freedom of thought and speech alive. The more good people can exchange ideas, the harder it will be to supress them (both the ideas and the people).

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:44 | 1262607 tip e. canoe
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yes, the spiders are definitely watching and yes, it really doesn't matter.

pucky, thank pseudo anonym for the link, (s)he shared it.   i just read a bit and cherrypicked what i liked.  (hint, hint to the overall topic of how consciousness creates 'reality')

sorry for the o/t (we really got to start a ZH garden club), but i have a once-neglected rose i replanted bareroot and it's not doing so hot.   any advice on how to help revive her (i've already sprinkled myco fungi on the roots) would be much appreciated.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 10:56 | 1263060 tip e. canoe
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pucky, your rose response is welcome here, so as to not further flowerjack the deep thought thread:

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!