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Perspectives From The West Bank: "Israel Is Definitely Planning A Strike On Iran, Which I'm Told May Happen This Summer"
From the mailbag:
I can assure you of two things. Israel is definitely planning a strike on Iran, which I’m told may happen this Summer. The country has been having large simulated chemical attack drills, and even my small town has had its own drills (which I’m sure were ordered from above). Number 2 is that I am also hearing that Israel will not attack w/o the OK of the US. Israel needs to fly over Iraq to reach Iran, and it can’t do this w/o US attack codes. I’m not sure what the solution is, but, as someone once said – “a Jew who does not believe in miracles is not a realist.”
Regards,
BJG
Chashmonaim, Israel (West Bank)
h/t fiatcurrency
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Go long oil?
Let the paper barrel speculators do there job then go short, thats the safe bet... If/when $4+ gas completely levels the "recovery", say hello to $30 oil... Think 08/09... The next oil spike will be no different...
absolutely correct
+ 1000
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go short brains
What is the ticker symbol?
ISR
Everyone on this site should watch Adam Curtis' documentary "The Century of the Self" on propaganda.(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6718420906413643126#). The set-up in in this whole thread is pure bullshit. I hate to break it to you my friends, but even ZH is now full on in the deep-capture mode. "From the mailbag"? ZH now supposedly gets emails from alleged israeli citizens leaking exciting new developments on israeli military buildup strategy? Please... IT'S ALL PROPAGANDA, except that now it's called Public Relations. The government does it, corporations do it, and religious organizations have done it for millennia. How else do they get millions of people to support the slaughter of "others" on trumped up charges, to make you feel like you MUST buy shit that you don't need working at a job you hate, and to disrespect the most beautiful creature on earth by treating her as your property/forcing her to wear a burka, under threats of death/tossing acid on her face because she wants to get an education/not allowing her to read the torah because of her gender, or forcing priests into celibacy in order for the church to keep all the money, thereby promoting an unnatural situation that gives rise to prison-like predators preying on the vulnerable... wake up people, all is not that it seems.
And like Cognitive Dissonance so often says, stop acting and thinking like you can't do anything about it. That's exactly what they want you to feel. I love ZH for the unrivaled financial information it provides, and the community of commenters here is the best I've encountered throughout the web. Reasoned, insightful, and thought-provoking commentary from every day citizens (not consumers, thank you very much). But there has been an increasing amount of diversion going on, centering on the alleged Israeli/Iranian conflict. Now all of a sudden, our great community of commenters is at each other's throats with nasty religious, ethnic, and racist undertones affecting all of it. Think about it for a second. For crying out loud, the "Tea Party" now hosts Sarah Palin as it's keynote speaker wherever it goes... WHAT THE FUCK?!?! They've been co-opted, and this community is next on the list. The kind of commentary that goes on here is very valuable, but at the same time it makes the kind of awareness we discuss here is very dangerous to those who want to perpatuate the status quo. I'm hoping it's not too late...
Israel finds itself squished between a US Prez with Hussein as his middle name and a firm Iranian pledge to destroy them.
Now there's a paranoia recipe if there ever was one.
When did Iran make this pledge?
1979
That would coincide with Khomeini. While I've heard this claim from many, no one is able to provide me a quote. Do you have a link?
It was a quote attributed to Ahmadinejad but was a distortion on what he actually said.
Still it represents a valuable item of agitprop and will be used to justify whatever insanity the power mad right wingers need to justify an attack on Iran.
There are two problems with the attack scenario.
1) It is unlikely any attack would completely destroy the facilities. It is not even clear that all facilities have been identified.
2) The attack would result in strong support for the current Iranian government. Look at the poll numbers for Bush II before and after 9/11 and you get the idea.
The blowback would be extreme. The entire might of the US military was fought to a standstill by farmers in Iraq and goatherders in Afghanistan. Iran has a capable military plus they will also have the farmers and the goatherders on their side.
Thanks but I was waiting for one of the people who believe that nonsense to point to that quote. :)
Ahmadinejad was quoting a Khomeini speech and the butchered translation is still being spread today. If someone is knowingly repeating a 30 year old, mistranslation as their justification then it's pretty safe to say that they have no argument.
Wasn't this guy threatening the world last year with nuclear anihilation?
Grim reports circulating in the Kremlin today are stating that during a “shouting match” between President Medvedev and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of the Jewish Nation warned “We’ll bring the whole World down with us if we have to” after his, Netanyahu, being “told with all authority” by Medvedev that Russia would not sanction Israel’s planned nuclear bombing of Iran and would “very likely” retaliate if Netanyahu carries out his threat.
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Netanyahu then issued his threatening words to Medvedev along with a further threat that Russia “should watch its own back” and not to be surprised when “mushroom clouds start appearing over Tehran” whereupon he re-boarded his plane with his military and intelligence entourage for his return flight back to Israel and leaving “everyone shocked” as to what all of the events meant.
Or as Ribbentrop said to Molotov, "Watch your steppe"...and you know how that ended.
I agree. Its agitprop. The US military has an entire department devoted to preparing the information battlefield in advance of a conflict. I'm sure Israel has the same.
Everybody has this focus on nukes. I'd be more concerned about the endless supply of goatherders who truly live the slogan "Don't Tread on Me!"
Right on it brothers!
All the propaganda and false flags over a 40 year period building up to a total scorching of the middle east, then they walk in, kick the ashes aside and start extracting the oil.
Realize who your "leaders" are and respond appropriately.
However, if actually winning the war was not the objective...
3) The fear would keep all the Israeli citizens (or are they consumers there too?) in line
4) A bunch of 'defense' contractors like Haliburton and Blechtel will make a fortune
5) Oceania has always been at war with EastAsia. War is peace.
they are using nukes this time....
Sushi:
If by what you call "power mad right wingers" you mean Jews (who, by the way, vote disproportionally Democrat) or 'neocons' (who are also disproportionally Jewish), then go ahead and call them "power mad right wingers." The average American hardly supports willy nilly attacks, interventionist foreign policy in general, let alone "nation building" in any of the Stans, Iraq, or Iran. The swipe at 'right wingers' suggests you are the agitprop expert, not the 'right wingers' you would pin such a scheme on. Anyways, when you hurl an insult, try to make it more accurate, as I tire of the notion that repeating a lie enough eventually makes it true. The fact is that the greatest proponents of attacking places in Middle East, as a general rule, happen to be Jewish Americans writing for the MSM, ensconced in some Washington, D.C. think tank, or working in the past or current administration; and one could hardly accurately call them "power mad right wingers", maybe power mad, but right wing, I think not.
Thanks for the correction.
But we know that if I had referred to them as "jews" i would have been junked x100, called a racist (or worse), subject to a pogrom or end up dead in my hotel room sleeping with a beautiful babe who had no trace of a mossad accent.
Now I think I'll go back to watching the top blow off the several trillion mountain of accumulated debt that everyone believes does not exist. Cheers!
Do we have a link?
Do you speak Farsi?
Here is Ahmadinejad's quote of Khomeini from the speech:
which directly translates to english as:
Word by word translation:
Of course, the Orthodox Jews of Neturei Karta (the anti-semitic gov't of Israel hates them as much as their prisoners in Gaza) have tried to spread truth but they can't spend US tax dollars the way the state of Israel can...
Believe it or not, there are 10's of thousands of Jewish Iranians living in Iran today. Never confuse the state of Israel with the Jewish religion. Not only are they not connected, they are opposed (see The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos, p.111a).
"1979".
Huh? Wouldn't that have been well enough before Iran agreed to clandestinely trade hostages for arms, via Israel?!?
c-l-u-e-l-e-s-s response...
Oh, and for the trillionth time already, Iran never pledged to 'wipe Israel off the map'. That infamous statement by Ahmadinnerjacket merely claimed that Israel would fade away on its own, like the Soviet Union did. Pointless wishful thinking on their part which has dangerously been mistranslated and blown out of proportion for tactical propaganda purposes.
Who cares what Iran did or did not? Not the US.If the US feel they need to remove Iran from the map, they will.
I am still baffled by people still in need to look for causes based on Justice when it comes to US military strikes.
After all the examples of the US strikes only to further the US best interests.
I wonder if for the country following Iran, people will still come expecting the US to ground their attacks in Justice, self defense or stuff like that.
The situation is pretty simple: a country does not cooperate according to the US best interests, well, the US deals their case.
US Corporate economic interests. None of us plebes want $10 dollar gas.
that's coming no matter what we do
Can you fathom the paranoia being experienced by Americans that feel their politicians should put America first second and third...yet we sit here watching them line up to pledge their fealty to Israel?
If you feel so strongly about Israel needing your support...please feel free to run on over there and give them a hand...I'm sure they'll be more than happy to slap a rifle into your capable hands and point you towards the enemy. I assure you we won't miss you.
But if you think I'm gonna send my son, brother, friend neighbor or dollars to do their fighting for them...you got another thing coming.
AMEN!! I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND WOULD DIE TO PROTECT IT. ILL BE DAMNED IF I WILL SEND ANYONE I KNOW TO FIGHT THE GREEDY BASTARD FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR ITS PUPPET BANKS,AUTO INDUSTRY, UNION WUSSIES, PROFESSIONAL LITIGATION LOBBYISTS, FED RESERVE, IMF, OR ANY OTHER CORRUPT AND VERY EVIL CONGLOMERATE INCLUDING WARREN THE BS BUFFET
whoa, did you just try those inhaleable caffeine things?
LOL!!!
I tried one last week. Freaky grit in my mouth, but it did work!!
Nah, he inhaled a can of Sterno and washed it down with a gallon of Red Bull.
And an Alka Seltzer tablet for an after dinner mint.
mmmm, fizzy.
USS LIBERTY will not be forgotten.
what is ironic is that not one yenta in NY would even shop in Israel let alone live there... all these people that say it is important to have that country would never live there either... let them all move to idaho or wherever and then just nuke the whole area.. but these stpuid wailing walls need to be hugged every day or something...
How many wars has Iran actually started in the last 500 years?
Compare and contrast with Israel since just 1947?
Why?
How many terrorist/freedom_fighters groups have both supported in the same time frame?
Iran hasn't invaded another country in 500 years...Israel can't go 500 days without attacking someone. It's sick.
+1
Good point. But there are some practicalities that make Israel resemble the US of the 1960s/1970s. Israel's economy is highly dependent on the arms industry, it needs to expense off the weapons paid for by uncle sugar, order more from IAI/ELBIT/ELTA/ELISRA/RAPHAEL/MLM etc etc and keep its population employed. Notice that since the dot-com bust, israel has had a series of hawkish government, starting with Ariel Sharon in 2001. The US today is now highly intertwined with its banking/finance industry, which explains the expenditure on the bailouts.
Conveniently forgetting Hamas being supported by Hezbollah being supported by Iran is a disease that I see rampant among the anti-Israel crowd. Proxy wars are a war is a war is a war.
Compare that with the US in the same time frame.
The US started a war with the slogan "Remember the Maine!" How come nobody says "Remember the Liberty!"
yes indeed...the USS Liberty sure has been swept under the carpet for a long time now...It's a disgrace. And it's strong evidence of how utterly captured our politicians and media are (as if more evidence were even needed at this point).
Mix in to our own saber rattling toward Iran, and our 1953 BP inspired regime change. How could we not expect Iran to seek nuclear capability? MAD worked during the Cold War.
It's refreshing to see intelligent, informed discourse about the subject of Iran.
Thanks, guys.
I am Chumbawamba.
Funny this came up, I had a conversation at a bar last night with a dumb broad about this topic. Basically, what it boils down to for the sheeple is this:
- America/Israel = Good (hey, don't ask them to point it out on the map, but they've been told "we're the good guys" by the MSM, politicians, so hey, must be true)
- Iran/Muslim Countries = Evil. Because George Bush said so. Yes, evil, evil, evil, we are doing God's work in rooting them out.
Fuckin pathetic. The human mind is such an impressionable thing when it's host is completely unconscious (like 99% of people).
History, religion, and Aipac aside, I've always wondered what we'd say about Israel if Jerusalem sat on a shitload of oil.
Mind control of the Sheeple by the media perfected and executed.
I suppose openly supporting Hezbollah doesn't count in your book. Just get your proxy to do the dirty work and it doesn't count, eh?
How many wars did Israel start? Few. They are usually attacked first -- or does flinging shells into Israel not count as "starting the war"?
+1000
I don't condemn fellow freedom fighters. When you're attacked in your own backyard by invaders from the south, don't come whining to me when you're labeled as a terrorist for fighting back.
I am Chumbawamba.
maybe someone should nuke israel
Agreed in a way. If we just would take away Israel what would happen? Would Middle-East actually "cool down"?
Shame that people think ideas like these are crap.
Brilliant. Why not nuke the whole universe as well?
Israel and/or the USA has been on the verge of attacking Iran for at least 5 years now, so the story goes. I remember putting in my IRA into CEF in 2005 before the imminent tatical nuke attack on Iran. Uhm... yeah, still waiting.
However, if I were the Israeli PM, I'd would eventually pull the trigger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q&feature=related
Now, if it is just a translation problem (as some on this thread claim), and instead of "Israel will disappear" and "Death to Israel", he said things like, "Israel will last forever," and "We love Israel," who really believes an Iranian crowd is getting violently excited about that and chanting it back to him?
Oh shit!
Better them than us - and Obama isn't going to be wacking anyone outside the US. Let Israel off the leash already...I can't see any advantage to Iran's having nukes.
Go long the producer of whatever turns out to be the showpiece offensive or defensive military hardware.
I mean this in the nicest way possible when I say "fuck off" with that attitude.
Take a glance at this. Bunkerbusters result in areas you cannot inhabit for a billion years:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=depleted%20uranium%20birth%20defects&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
Depleted uranium ain't so depleted.
Isn't "science" fun?!
MsC:
Sorry but I see that as an argument for preventing states like Iran from gaining the ability to deploy nukes.
Nuclear bunkerbusters have never been deployed. If it's Iran's uranium you're speaking of scattering than at some level demanding the right to develop nukes while simultaneously threatening the neighborhood amounts to holding your own people hostage.
Yet sometimes, as a last resort hopefully, you have to act inhumanely to prevent being treated inhumanely. Such is and has always been the tragic reality of the human condition.
What evidence do you have that Iran is a) planning to build nuclear weapons and b) planning to use them against any particular country?
The fact is you have none to speak of, and you're only simply reacting to your own irrational fear. In other words, you're a gutless coward, and you'd rather see other people die if it means you and yours get to live. Admit it, you gutless coward: deep down inside, this is ths truth.
Fie.
I am Chumbawamba.
I'm not going to get into the weeds about the accuracy of various Farsi translations concerning the intentions of the leadership of Iran. Suffice it to say that I think they are dangerous nuts (and I'm comfortable with the company I keep with that view) and my sympathies lie with Iran's younger, educated, modern leaning and largely pro-US generations that stand in opposition to them. You can certainly beg to differ.
With countries like Israel and Pakistan in possession of nuclear weapons I think it's safe to say that what is holding Iran's leadership back is technological capability not the milk of human kindness. Here is The Campaign Against Sanctions and Military Intervention in IRAN earlier this month claiming that: "Iran, like Pakistan, has a right to possess a nuclear deterrence..."http://www.campaigniran.org/CASMII/index.php?q=node/9713 Can the outlook of Iran's leadership be that dissimilar?
If you want to waste space on ZH talking about what a reasonable, trustworthy head of state Ahmadinejad is that's your business.
And yes, if it is the case that others want to kill me I would prefer to see them die so that myself and mine can live. Has Western self-loathing sunk to the point where this position is no longer considered cool?
You're already stuck in the weeds friend, we are just offering you a hand to pull you out. To answer your original question, I cannot afford 10 dollar gas which is what would happen if Israel bombed Iran. That is my crude self interested opinion. I speculate that the USA might not survive 10 dollar gas intact. I love my country and don't want to see it destroyed internally or externally, therefor, selfishly, I think Israel would not be wise to attack Iran.
This could just be rationalization of my opinion, but please read this:
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20100301_thinking_about_unthinkable_usira...
Even if your prediction regarding a spike in gas prices (and the personal stress it would cause you) is correct that is quite a different matter from the ethics surrounding military intervention (or appeasement) with Iran - which is what seems to have instigated the above comment battle.
Besides, if the government can artificially jack the S&P in a time of crisis they can probably find a way to at least temporarily keep domestic gas prices reasonable during another crisis.
I generally like and respect Stratfor's research.
A gutless coward and an addle-brained fool to boot.
As long as the gas prices remain "reasonable" as we liberate the hell out of foreign lands filled with brown people, you have no problem.
Gotcha!
I am Chumbawamba.
"...and my sympathies lie with Iran's younger, educated, modern leaning and largely pro-US generations that stand in opposition to them. "
Plus 100, if that's even possible. Most of Iran was born after the nutjob revolution. The consensus about those events among iranians is that the religious element in the revolution was just one element of that revolution even then, but won out over the competing revolutionaries in the aftermath by shear brutality and will to power. During and before the revolution, they had put on a nice, friendly, Good Guys act, then turned into psychos once they had the chance.
What I describe here above is what hear about the revolution from every age group of Iranians I've met, which is quite a lot, hundreds I would guess. The population is fed up with the corrupt, nutjob mullahs, the brutal repression, the prudisheness, the lack of opportunities, and the economic stagnation.
How do I come to know this? And/or how do the iranians I know here in the US know this? In a weird departure from the prison states of the soviet time, or say of North Korea, the Iranians can come and go from their country at will, dependent only on visas of the country they are visiting, without a care from their own government...as long as they haven't been critisizing/undermining the regime(which routinely gets them or loved ones killed). The persians are very well aware of the relative state of freedom and opportunity in their country versus that in the rest of the world. I'd add on top of that they aren't arabs either, and they are not all that beholden to the foreign, arab religion known as Islam. Many wear zoarastrian symbols under their clothing, and take pride in their ancient history more so than in the darkness under islam.
Yeah, the iranian =people= are fed up with their corrupt nut job government, and are pro-western in a way no arab muslims could be. I have yet to hear one complaining about Jews or Israel. Au contraire they are mad as hell about their nutjob government wasting ressources on Hezbollah and jihad and so forth.
Ergo OUR problem isn't really a nuclear-armed iran, but a nuclear armed mullahcracy. US and Israeli strategic planners(but not Obama naturally) know this all to well, given our deep and broad knowledge and contacts with the country. Yeah, there lots of iranian jews in israel and...in Iran. Netanyahu speaks farsi. Same story between the US and Iran.
For the persians own opinion of the need for nuclear weapons for persia, they wouldlike to have more political and economic freedom first. Oh, and things like 24/7 electricity in Teheran. The regime can't be bothered to keep up such basic elements of modernity (outside of the mullahcracy's own neighborhoods). Guess which programs persians would rather see their governement spend money on in first priority: A) nuclear weapons B) support for terrorism or C) 24/7 electricity at long last, rather than the current system of planned rolling blackouts?
In other words, you're a gutless coward.
I am Chumbawamba.
You should stop listening to the propaganda. Research the other sides view then you might not be so adamant in your view. You mostly only hear one side in the media, because the media is largely owned by Jews. You can not have an objective opinion without knowing the other side of the story. You will either make your argument stronger or you will change your opinion.
Unnfortunately this mad scenario seems to be gaining momentum. From constant trash-talking between foaming-at-the-mouth zealots in both Iran and Israel, to armchair warriors in the US, weary of seeing our economic and military might expended without result on all current fronts, who would love to see a quick conclusive demonstration of high tech "shock and awe" conducted from 2 miles up, never mind the consequences (and all to the tune of John McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran!")
Yes, I would like this, too, because it would mean a quick end to the United States as well. Because we'd go out, not with a bang, not with a whimper, but like the sound a balloon makes when you blow it up to just before the breaking point, but then at the last microsecond you let go and it flies all over the room in a silly an d haphazard manner, farting and blubbering the entire time, until finally, having expended all its pent up promise, it falls limp and flaccid to the floor, barely even a representation of its former self.
Don't junk the messenger.
I am Chumbawamba.
Awesome use of language to paint a mental picture.
Better than most NYT best sellers!
Glad to see someone finally bring this thread back to a description of the markets.
Oh, man. That was awesome. I can't imagine a better way to put it.
+1
you didnt get the memo?" Its ok, ruin the planet we dont need it."
We live on futures.
PS pathetic wannabe clown.
Thank you for the pictures. It reinforces my increasing pacifism, which has been changed radically the more I've studied since this financial crisis began.
Here's a picture for ya - Slim Pickens( Major 'King' Kong) dropping out of the bottom of a B-52 on the back of an ICBM.
"Stay on the bomb run, boys! I'm gonna get them doors open if it harelips ever'body on Bear Creek!"
(above)
Gulf war sickness. When you get your leg blown off it's also alright. You're momma and daddy will take care of you cause the army just doesn't give a fuck.
Then it's a good thing that no one is making the argument that there is "any advantage to Iran's having nukes". However, the problems caused by an attack on Iran are much worse problems than Iran having a nuke.
Though I have never really confirmed this with other sources, I read some articles a while back, about former Soviet Biowarfare "scientists" finding their way to Iran. From there, let your imagination run wild.
I don't let my imagination run wild.
OMGZ! RUSSIAN BIOWAREZ!!!! RUN FOR THE HILLZ!!!111!!
Great link... if we had only listened to Scott Ritter before Iraq...
Truly great link. Thanks.
Also has a response from a "Don't Tread on Me" Iranian-Canadian:
nimrooo I'm Iranian living in Canada.
I love Americans and the western world.
My religion? soon converting to Zoroastrianism.
Attack Iran and even I? will pack my bags and go to Iran to defend it till my last drop of blood. We will show you what patriotism truly is. 2500 years of continuous persian culture, 7000 years of Iranian culture.
ao attack if you dare cuz we're not some spineless arabs like those Iraqis.
The goatherders win!
and yet at the pinnacle of you civilization, you were humiliated by only 40k goat herders who can't pay there bills nowadays a few thousand miles to your west? Always funny to hear people from countries like these talk about their thousands of years of culture, and yet amazingly are still are grappling with the concept of how to build a decent bathroom.
Actually, DaisyMae, simple toilets have been used since Babylonian times.
That aside, Persian arts and architecture is known worldwide. At its peak, the Persian Empire reached from the India to Greece, and from the Caspian Sea to the Red Sea and the Arabian Sea. The ancient city of Persepolis in modern-day Iran was one of four capitals of the Persian Empire and one of the most famous architectural sights on the face of the Earth. It was built beginning around 520 B.C., and was a showcase for the empire's staggering wealth, with grand architecture, extravagant works of silver and gold, and extensive relief sculptures.
It's only the English language that makes you think civilization was built around a bathroom.
You might wanna highlight all those places on a map and link it, otherwise your point might be lost to DM...
better hurry up before they either get blown to smithereens or hawked on ebay, like what just happened next door in mesopotamia.
Very cool rugs, too.
Terrific Link
Thx
Isn't it refreshing for someone intelligent like Ritter to use the very same fear logic to come to the exact opposite course and conclusion. Isn't that the whole idea behind a nuclear standstill? Or is that nukes are so dangerous that only "responsible" and "peacefull" countries like us should be allowed to have them. It's moments like this where the entire hypocritical, self serving, ignorant rant get stripped naked like some Guatanamo prisoner and we see how inhuman, blind and self destructive our dying resource dance has become.
US won't be involved in any way with elections in the fall. Won't happen - overtly that is.
It'll probably be a bit like Obama's executive order he bought off Stupak with...
He let them attack and hope that no one figures it out. Then the MSM will
let him off the hook.
Scary days ahead.
JFC
This has been building for a decade. Too bad "W" didn't go for it while he had the chance. Maybe they were hoping for a regime change in Tehran (almost happened). But with things as they are someone is going to strike Iran. It would be best, if it was to happen, for a broad coalition of nations to be involved. Oddly, China and Russia are enabling Iran. But I don't quite see how Iranian nukes are good for China or Russia. They have their own problems with radicals and terrorism.
Anyway, long USO.
What are you, a caricature of a parrot? A "broad coalition of nations"? Yeah, that was so effective with Gulf War II, let's do it again with GWIII: Iran Edition.
What's wrong with you people? This history is only a few years old, and yet you'vev forgotten it already. Or were you really born yesterday?
My god. My fucking god.
People just have the attention span of goldfish nowadays chumba. Everyone's a warmonger until they have to fight, so long as its someone else dying for their country it's fine. Remember, Israel will fight to the last american.
To actually try and answer his question: China and Russia are interested in something that starts with an 'O' and ends in 'il'. China's the interesting case there, gets Oil from Iran and cutting edge US Military Technology from Israel.
Nobel peace prize.
You were so distraught, you forgot to say it.
You are chumbawamba
"W" are you fucking joking? He only did what the handlers commanded.
But he did show his true nature when he wiped his hand on Clinton's shirt.
Israel has been running the usa ever since the federal reserve bank took over. They will get whatever they want because they are the true power. ZOG people untie!
+100
It's not a holocaust if the state of Israel starts it.
+1
Actually, it would still be a holocaust...but you can't call it that or you'll get sued for copyright infringement.
Actually Holocaust is not the word for the atrocities committed during WWII. to European Jewry . The proper term is Shoah. The term holocaust draws its name from the Latin term holocaustum, which itself draws its etymology from the Greek word holokauston. The romanized version was first mentioned in 1190. by Roger of Howden and Richard of Decizes. The Jews use the word shoah when addressing the acts of ethnic cleansing simply because it is more representative of the culture which was the subject of the said actions and because it draws differentiation from the word holocaust because it's limits its descriptive properties to aforementioned action against the Jews only. So, no, you would not get sued, but there are people who would draw you to court.
EDIT: Why the fuck was this junk'd ? Is it now anti-PC and anti-semitic to even write "Israel". Fuck you Megaphone bot, fuck you so much. Have i said anything that is not scientifically and historically correct. Again, fuck you whoever you are and may your sister abort your incestuous nephew/niece/son/daughter.
Holocaust means never having to say you're sorry.
so they are born and tied into their religion??? so is it ethnic cleansing or holy war?.. i gues it is whatever the hell they feel like marketing it as...
There's no business like Shoa Business.
Only the state of Israel can treat the Palestinians like Jews and get away with it.
C'mon, they treat them well.
If you ever find a real palestinian I will agree. Since you never will, I will not.
agitation... we can make up anything...
Not a holocaust if AmeriKa participtes, either.
We're Amerika. History, morals and ethics don't apply to us
The winners of the wars write the history books.
Bingo. The biggest spoil to the "victorious"
and the current superpower rewrites them
...and some countries (Germany comes to mind) even made it illegal to discuss the truthfulness of the imposed history. Well, you need that, with increased availability of information on the net and all, I reckon. Can't have the people of the occupied countries think for themselves, right?
German population and a governing politician want the remaining american nukes out of the country? Forgeddaboutit. When "vital interests" are menaced, the appearance of partnership (NATO) and independence (Federal Republic of Germany anyone?) is dropped, and the de facto situation of an occupied country is asserted.
Vae vinci.
Multiply this by every (occupied) country where american forces are currently stationed, and you get a situation comparable to the stock exchange these last weeks - can't allow even the slightest appearance of weakness, because you know then the shit will explode right in your face.
The guy who will first come out with a poker deck with the faces of the american politicians and banksters will make a fortune, I'm sure it will be a worldwide success. Call it the dark side of globalisation.
This is the umpteenth story we've seen on Israel attacking Iran sometime in the future. If they were really going to do this, would they let leaks of it come out all over the place so the media (including ZH) could pick it up and publish it for all to see? Would they really broadcast that they intend to fly over Iraq to attack? Wouldn't they simply execute a plan and talk later? Please focus on real stories.
Israel tends to shoot first and answer questions later.
it's more like shoot first and then blame the victim for standing in the way of the bullet.
Collateral damage...shit happens.
Ha!
winks, they are preparing us mentally to accept the coming war like they taught us that crime is ok doky in high places.
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No way Israel attacks Iran....no way.
Seriously, there have to be odds in Vegas somewhere on this. I'm surprised no one has done a computer simulation on the effects of an attack based on various probability trees...all would cripple the world economy. Seriously, imagine, you leave for for, gas is $2.70 and when you come home it is $6.Think of all the businesses running on razor margins etc.
In any case, going long oil is the best thing to do--attack on Iran, you'd make a fortune overnight, if not, the world economy is going to overheat and we'll be at $150 before the end of next year again.
www.intrade.com has a futures contract on an Israeli/US airstrike on Iran:
The AIRSTRIKE.IRAN.DEC11 contract is pricing in a 25% chance of that happening. Volume is very low though.
There are other attack scenarios that skip Iraq.
Anyway, this paper is a good read if you have the interest and time. They cover equipment, routes, counter-attack and fallout in case of direct hit:
http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/090316_israelistrikeiran.pdf
Note the date... there's a Summer every year, just saying.
Read that report and left wondering how come no one has plans to attack Israeli facilities. The CSIS report lays out locations and capabilities. Israel is clearly a threat to stabilty in the ME. So how come no multi-national endevour to restrict, remove, degrade Israeli nuclear capabilities?
Great point, Sushi. Astonishing how brazen and arrogant said wargaming details are, no?
And @nonclaim, that CSIS tripe doesn't outline any viable alternatives to flying over Iraq (not that it'd make a perceptual difference anyway to the world). Syria, Turkey and Jordan wouldn't allow such flyovers. NO ONE would, aside from our puppets in Baghdad.
Doesn't matter. Once you have alternatives you can publicly deny the main route was used... even if it was *not* used. See how it works?
To be clear I'm not counting on any attack from either side. There's no immediate or near-term reason to do it; and there are many less costly alternatives.
Muslims are incapable of not being puppets. Just ask Allah
You might want to google the words Georgia, Israel, Irak. There was more to that trouble in the Caucasus than appears to the eye (hint: via Georgia Israeli fighters would have managed to get around Irak).
The traders on the Crimex have already sent oil through the roof in anticipation of this event. Maybe I'll load up on some defense contractors too. The Empire must strike back.
Me thinks Obama is deliberating snubbing Israel and Netanyahu to provoke them in to striking Iran unilaterally so (a) primarily he is relieved of the need to contain Iran himself (all those years voting present have not been for naught), (b) he can hold on to his Nobel prize, and (c) then brandish his upgraded teleprompter to urge both sides to cease.
Israel should call his bluff and offer ready nukes to all nations in the region who wish to have a deterrent to Iran. If he won't back them, then Israel should (unofficially) promote and support a nuclear arms race in the region and demolish Obama's attempted legacy of non-proliferation of nukes. They should also offer nuclear technology to Chechnya and Uigurs to give Russia and China a taste of what it means to live with a nuke-enabled neighbor who hates your guts for no rhyme or reason.
Israel should pack up and move to kissmyassville.
We should move them all to Florida and let them build a replica of Jerusalem. Would be cheaper all around.
Build a fence around Utah and throw them in with the Mormons. Then, just to make it really interesting, add all the Scientologists you can pluck from L.A. Put it on cable TV and charge a pay-per-view. It'll boost popcorn sales to the point that it will single-handed rescue the economy.
I am Chumbawamba.
Mission Mormonaries from the Church of Cheese n' Rice and Rattle-day Snakes VERSUS the Xenu e-meter drones. Tickets on sale Saturday!!! (Kosher snacks available at stadium concessions)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B507aHAQO9Y
"Israel should call his bluff and offer ready nukes to all nations in the region who wish to have a deterrent to Iran." "support a nuclear arms race in the region"
You really are simple, aren't you Simon?
How many shooting wars have occured between nuclear armed nations?
Nukes promote peace. Always.
an armed globe is a polite globe.
until they don't
It would sure put a stop to IMF terroism. You gotta understand army guy mentality though. You give ANY commander access to nukes and they always use them when it's certain they are going to lose.
Any hoopla about losing with honor or fighting fair or protecting anyone is just not borne out in any reality. There is no such thing as respect for your enemy in the nuclear age. There's just force and terroism. If you don't believe me check the war games records. Britsh commander, american, russian doesn't matter. Once the high value assets get destroyed and it becomes so one sided there's no chance they push the button.
You"You give ANY commander access to nukes and they always use them when it's certain they are going to lose."
Case in point? Anyone? Bueler?
Truman, Operation Downfall, 1945
"How many shooting wars have occured between nuclear armed nations?
Nukes promote peace. Always."
Oh, I agree. I just find the notion that Israel of all countries would share nukes with its Arab neighbors to be laugh-out-loud material. Israel aims to monopolize nukes in the region indefinitely.
Seeing as it is the only democracy in the Middle East I think that is advisable.
Another tired and false cannard.
What did we just spend a trillion dollars and 7 years doing in Iraq? INSTALLING A DEMOCRACY, DODO BRAIN. They just had elections. Their second since their glorious democracy was installed.
I don't believe for a second that it will last once the US leaves, but it is a democracy, and its in the Middle East.
Ever heard of Lebanon? They have democracy, with parties, and people voting, and all that shit. Lebanon is in the Middle East.
The problem is, you guys repeat this bullshit only enough times to convince yourself, and you repeat it without even thinking, without even putting the slightest amount of thought into it, and you show yourself to be a complete ass.
I am Chumbawamba.
Ever heard of Lebanon? They have democracy, with parties, and people voting, and all that shit. Lebanon is in the Middle East.
In Lebanon they have evacuated the notion of using the "Diebold AccuVote-TS" ..another all star in technological mischief in Amerika...
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://citp.princeton.edu/pub/ts06full.pdf