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Peter Schiff Sees Gold At $5,000

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The congressional candidate is the latest to chime in on perspectives of where gold is going. This ties in with our expectations that the Fed's generous excess liquidity, coupled with a declining dollar, will likely see gold as the primary focus on new capital flows. If gold does really hit $5,000 expect a military coup by the various governors of the Fed.

As to Schiff's contention that a plunge in the dollar will be accompanied by Chinese dumping of Treasuries, we are not so sure it is that simple. Bernanke is well aware of the game of poker (where courtesy of the reserve currency he can raise into infinity, even on blind), and this is the only bluff he would be unable to respond to. Which is why the tacit assumption that China will keep USTs in exchange for Geithner backing off from allegations of renminbi manipulation, seems very sensible.

Either way, if Peter Schiff ultimately does get elected into Congress, it will be amusing to watch the Grayson-Schiff financially astute tag team take on the rest of their underedcuated associates, and hopefully, the administration and its flawed economic policies. 

h/t Shanky




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Fri, 10/09/2009 - 13:37 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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I see gold being priceless, at least in dollar terms, if you catch my drift.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 19:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/10/2009 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/10/2009 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/10/2009 - 19:08 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Why are all the idiotic comments Anonymous?

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/10/2009 - 20:49 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 04/04/2011 - 03:43 | Link to Comment jessiejune
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no body no bady but you~~she is the story the story is she..
maybe you have already know the song of she ..but if you know the story behind it? Cassava Flour Mill

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 13:50 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Agree, at some point, very soon, it won't matter what the dollar price is.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:35 | Link to Comment dnarby
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Agree.  Question is the timeframe.

I'm guessing around 2012.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 21:20 | Link to Comment ShankyS
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You thinking Mayan calendar 12/21/2012 end date?

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/11/2009 - 20:42 | Link to Comment fivethousandove...
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I mean, I don't know about you - but when TSHTF I'm certainly gonna be seeking to conduct electricity with limited loss.

 

 

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:37 | Link to Comment VegasBD
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You mean "Dollar Bubble, Everyone Out!"

Thats whats happening.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 23:20 | Link to Comment estaog
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Do not - I REPEAT DO NOT - ever say anything negative about gold in the blog comments on this site. Even the suggestion that gold could retrace at all is unacceptable.

You see, gold is completely different from every other asset class and so we have to repeatedly talk about the gains from gold ad nauseum. You will note that any trading of gold below $1000 is the result of nWo intervention - ZOMG GOLD NEVER GOES DOWN!

PS this also applies to any discussion about the USD rallying. Also - buy guns and canned beans for the coming civil war.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 00:20 | Link to Comment River Tam
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Agreed   Dont forget the bankers. Can you say bigot?

Sun, 10/11/2009 - 05:41 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 13:53 | Link to Comment HEHEHE
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Get real.  It's a bubble like the oil bubble last year.  Longterm, 20 years, I'd say yes oil and gold will outperform most asset classes.  Short-term, next 3-6 months, look for a major correction.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:02 | Link to Comment geminiRX
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I think you may have it right here. The big million dollar question is whether the gold price and gold stocks will get "pounded" again (like it did in Sep 08) if and when the stock market gets a much needed correction. If government manipulation keeps the markets soaring to the moon - I don't see a correction in gold any time soon. In which case I'm screwed because I got nervous and exited the markets completely about 3 weeks ago.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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The dollar is the bubble - the biggest bubble in the history of mankind, and when it pops the BOOM will be heard round the world. BTW, a skyrocketing Gold price is EXACTLY how a dollar bubble pop should look like. Also, there will be NO "correction" in the short term. Looks like seems you missed the bus on that one.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:34 | Link to Comment HEHEHE
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Tell me that in a few months when gold is back at $850

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:59 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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I fart in your general direction.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Just 850? Why not 250? If you are so confident, why not go all the way? ROTFL!

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:33 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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It dropped a DOLLAR today. Why not go for 180? LOL

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:17 | Link to Comment VegasBD
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Only way gold is going back that low is if the markets crash down 75%. Even then, gold will be the sole asset to be only down ~20%. Itll look like a winner even then.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:19 | Link to Comment MinnesotaNice
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I'll be buying more again if it revisits $850...

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:33 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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I'll be buying more regardless.  Whenever I have excess FRN it goes to metals.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:28 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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LOUD NOISES! HOW DARE YOU SIR!

j/k btw ...not likely that it goes back to 850.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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@HEHEHE if you think gold is a bubble then short it. Dare ya.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:50 | Link to Comment geminiRX
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The dollar is quite problematic, but I don't see imminent failure quite yet. I think the greenback is oversold and the markets overbought. I see the dollar correcting up soon. In the long term, it's toast unless taxes are increased and drastic social/medical reforms are created....and to completely halt the US war machine. Cruise missles, spies, and drones are best solution for the Middle East.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:56 | Link to Comment NYPoke
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The dollar "bubble" will pop alright.  However, it is more of a reverse bubble right now.  The Fed will raise interest rates & cut back on the printing press, just when most folks suspect it the least.

 

Happened before.  Will happen again.  When it happens, next round of deleveraging will take almost everything down.  Gold should re-trace to the $650 area.  Inflation & all that will come later.

 

Or not.  Nobody knows for sure, but it is a pattern.  The Big Banks are flush with capital.  The Fed is planning on pulling excess liquidity from the Money Markets.  The Big Banks will then be capitalized to buy up whatever they want, when D-Day hits/bottoms.  Gold is their traditional sweet spot.  They would wet themselves at $650, prior to it really taking off.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 09:35 | Link to Comment DrPsycho
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"The Fed will raise interest rates & cut back on the printing press, just when most folks suspect it the least."

 

uh, that would be about..........NOW.........ain't happenin'........

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 18:16 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/10/2009 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 13:55 | Link to Comment koaj
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when TSHTF, i would rather have soup and tuna. i cant eat a bar of gold and the barter system has no currency

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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We WON'T be going back to a 100% barter system - ask Argentinians.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Danz Gambit
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Comparing a collapse of the US dollar with what happened in Argentina seems rather silly.

If the US falls, so does everyone else. I'm long tuna from here.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Oh really? That's an astounding amount of hubris.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Danz Gambit
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"Opinions" are the next great bubble.

Mine is: an economic reformation has begun, to be played out over the next couple of years, ultimately resulting in the Dark Ages part 2.

Hedge that.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:57 | Link to Comment NRGTDR
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Tuna only has a can shelf life of 6months to a year or so---What are you going to use to purchase tuna in the future? How are you going to store that purchasiing power? Hence 5000 years of GOLD history.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Argos
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I'd rethink the tuna strategy.  Heavy mercury pollution has the world stocks contaminated, plus over fishing has the population decrease fast.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:01 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Better yet, refine the mercury out of the tuna.  Mercury will ride the wave of commodities up and might be worth a reasonable amount in future.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Now there is a reasonable business idea for Bobby Prechter, considering he went bankrupt shorting the market and going long the dollar. And he can ride the commodities bull too while he's at it! Nice!

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 03:36 | Link to Comment agrotera
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Hi Gordon_Gekko, are you still following RP?  Every time i read his reports, i think of you and then remember to read with care.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Yeah, so I know what not to do.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:30 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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IDK what how many seeds = an oz of gold now but i'd bet that it will be a lot less in 5-10 yrs.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 14:29 | Link to Comment geopol
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Screw the tuna, I'm gonna sell sex, has worked for thousands of years.

 

One screww for 1/10th oz gold eagle

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 13:56 | Link to Comment ozziindaus
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Doesn't Schiff encourage his clients to get out of dollar denominated assets? If so, they'll miss the massive move he's predicting. If Gold does hit $5000 based on dollar devaluation only, that does not mean anything if your invested in Asia or Europe.

Also, unless war breaks out or hyperinflation (different to high inflation) than you may as well invest in anything that's dollar denominated like eggs, bicycles, light bulbs etc. $5000 gold would only confirm the weak dollar, doesn't mean it would make you richer.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/10/2009 - 03:41 | Link to Comment agrotera
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more than diversification, i think it is for the currency risk he sees in the US$ and by investing outside of the US in countries with currencies that are stronger and appreciating, it adds to any growth you may have in the securities (or the opposite if the hypothesis fails...there are no guarantees!)

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:02 | Link to Comment HEHEHE
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Very true.  Schiff was correct about the phony US economy that developed over the past 20 years but every country in the world is running the printing presses right now, especially his and Rogers darling China, so why would only the US experience hyper-inflation?   This bubble is going to collapse just like last years oil bubble.

In the long run would I rather have gold than fiat money?  Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact a bubble is a bubble.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 23:26 | Link to Comment estaog
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I love the way that every comment that is negative about gold is flagged... can't the gold bugs see that they are just as annoying, one eyed and repetitive as the shills on CNBC?

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Daedal
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5000 gold would only confirm the weak dollar, doesn't mean it would make you richer.

Right... let drive that thought to its logical conclusion: $5000 Gold may not make you richer. But $1 at a time when 1 ounce of gold is $5000 will have 1/5 the purchasing power it has today -- and that will surely mean you are poorer if you held onto the dollar instead of Gold.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:21 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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And this is precisely the reason why buying gold is not an investment but rather an act of saving.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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In a world gone crazy, buying a hunk of metal seems the sanest choice.

Edit: Who gives a shit what it is as long as it protects me from theft via inflation by the government and gives me the maximum possible return as compared to any other asset class.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:39 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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Not I!

I just look for investments that might yield better returns. Over the long term the best returns will come from the saving power of gold since as many others on this site I see the collapse of mostly everything else. But in the meantime, as you might say, don't fight the fed. The fed obviously wants to suppress the price of gold. while this is its hardest task, it might just pull it off a bit longer.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 22:04 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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But at least it will protect your purchasing power as opposed to hoarding FRN's. Gold will not rise solely in dollars but in all fiat currencies, just more in the dollar. I am not sure eggs and light bulbs are as fungible or indestructible as Gold. It WILL make you richer because it's extremely undervalued right now.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:51 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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I am down with the miners as a play on gold, no substitute for the real thing, there are different dynamics at work to be sure, but they are a decent play.  Schiff mentioned a couple the other day in his webcast that I was going to look into - cs.to and rbi.to.  Haven't done my research yet so can't recommend myself.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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I own Redback and Silvercorp (the other of the three mentioned).  Would never recommend them to internet strangers, but I was happy to hear him talk.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 14:33 | Link to Comment geopol
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Think of gold this way,,

 

Your running in place..

Sun, 10/11/2009 - 01:50 | Link to Comment faustian bargain
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...while everybody else is on a backwards-moving conveyor belt...and then they see what a good deal gold is, so demand goes up.

Sun, 10/11/2009 - 12:46 | Link to Comment geopol
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You got it...

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:01 | Link to Comment tradertim
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so when do the feds start confiscating gold?

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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As soon as you are stupid enough to give it to them.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Marge N Call
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+100

HA. Good one. Guns help. In fact, guns and gold go together like chocolate and peanut butter.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Yeah, they'll be getting my gold over my dead body.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:04 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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They'll have to climb over the dead bodies of those who came before to try to take my gold.  Mother fuckers.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 17:41 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:34 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Shortly after I run out of ammo?

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:01 | Link to Comment SDRII
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NEM on the hunt in australia is a tell

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:02 | Link to Comment deadhead
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with all due respect to those that are bullish on gold (i'm neither bear or bull, but do believe in the value of gold), Schiff has been saying 5 grand per ounce for a long time, no?

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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Schiff has been bullish on gold longer than most people can remember.  He has been correct on this and many other calls.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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Yes, very good.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 20:34 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:10 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Back in 2006 he also said house prices were going to lose 30% of their value.  I guess if you were reading those words in 2007 you would have laughed at him too.

His arguments have sound economic theory behind them, unlike some of the BS technical analysis you read on this site (oh, Gold is going back to $800 because it is going to hit its 900DMA, or whatever).

I have said it before, I will say it again - the Fed is going to have to support the MBS market until at least 2011.  Printing that much money will destroy the USD.

Fed MBS buying is down 25% from its highs, which is exactly how much Fannie and Freddie issuance is down from its Q2 highs, so as a % of the market, the Fed has not slowed down at all.  Their announcement that they were stretching their MBS dollars was pure bullshit - they knew the market had slowed and wouldn't be able to spend $1.25T before the end of the year.

They won't be stopping in March .  Not March 2010 at least.

And that will kill the dollar relative to real money.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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+10000

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:12 | Link to Comment tradertim
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don't know how long he's been claiming gold at 5K, but i do know he believes the value of the DOW will eventually reach 1oz of gold. he believes at some point in the future the 2 of them will meet at the same price.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Cow
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" Schiff has been saying 5 grand per ounce for a long time, no?"

About as long as folks here have been saying the stock market was going to go through the floor. 

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:06 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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That's not a cow, but a steer (in your photo).

I am Chumbawamba (also not a cow).

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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yeah a steer.

and your a queer.

 

I also am not Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 17:22 | Link to Comment Cow
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Chumba - you are the first to notice, but cows have horns too

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 14:40 | Link to Comment geopol
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Chumbawamba, Your a funny fuck!!

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:58 | Link to Comment BobPaulson
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Skyrocket? 76.5 has been it's support for a while now. Skyrocket was Q1 this past year.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:08 | Link to Comment jbc77
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You have to love Schiff even if his gold price predictions are off the wall.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:26 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Funny, somebody said the same thing to a $1000 price prediction when Gold was at $250.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:09 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Nobodys' is.  Name one person who has perfectly timed every event over the past couple years.  I read a lot of people, all who made good prognostications, many who made excellent ones, but the timing was always off.  Jim Willie got it the closest on some of his calls, but even he (and Bob Chapman) got the whole martial law and dollar collapse thing wrong.  Either it was based on intentional dis- or misinformation, or we're looking at the carnage to really begin in November, or early next year.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 09:51 | Link to Comment DrPsycho
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I keep hearing this early Nov date for the dollar crisis.....or demise.

 

Jim Sinclair is also  predicting it.....www.jsmineset.com

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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i see dead dollars * looks frightened under the table *

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:35 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Cheeeeekeah!

Glad to see you post.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:37 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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yes baby, im back, nice to see you

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:15 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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Of course he does.

If you're a Conneticut resident you have an obligation to help get this man elected.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:46 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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You don't even have to be a CT resident - I threw some of the fiatcos that my employer pays me his way.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:14 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Here is my prediction - in six months all the people bashing gold on this site will be gone, just like all the bears who were here six months ago are gone today.

$1.25T in MBS purchases, a number that will keep rising through 2011.  WTF don't people understand about the implications of that?

Oh, I know, "that is a drop in the bucket compared to the money destroyed by decreasing credit".  Yeah, there is a word for that theory: FAIL.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:19 | Link to Comment SDRII
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+100

 

Loved the CR catch on Frank - this is a policy decision on Housing FHA losses

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:42 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Yes, that was quite the "tell", wasn't it? He basically admitted govt policy was to support house prices.

That is going to come at a cost.  that cost will be the USD.

As I said before, the handwringing over a few billion for C4C was a laugh for me, given that Bernanke was printing $5B a DAY buying MBS.  WTF don't people get.  Let me say this in caps:

BERNANKE HAS CREATED 900B NEW USD IN LESS THAN NINE MONTHS TO BUY MBS.

Not only can he not sell those, he can't stop buying or the housing market tanks again.  There are no buyers in volume for agency MBS at today's prices.

I predicted the MBS market would be Bernanke's Waterloo, and I am still 100% convinced of that today.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:20 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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yes, ditto you are. I dont even care about the credit flow at this particular moment, but when i look into the future there is only one clear outcome out of all of this; dead dollar, gold numerated with mid 4 figure number, war and a rebuilding; i can not give you a time frame, but it will happen. So, buy gold, sit back and laugh at the game.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Jim B
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+1

5000 seems very far away, but gold at 2000 or 3000 would be a good start

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:26 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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+10000

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:12 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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+1E7

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Oh, I know, "that is a drop in the bucket compared to the money destroyed by decreasing credit".  Yeah, there is a word for that theory: FAIL.

I could not have said it better, and oh yes: FAIL!, FAIL!, FAIL!

Robert Prechter: FAIL!

Dollar-Deflation: FAIL!

US Dollar: FAIL!

US Government: FAIL!

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:44 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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HAHAHAHAHA; im LOLing so hard right now

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 14:49 | Link to Comment geopol
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Strong sentiment internationally that the U.S. Government will collapse within eighteen months. We are in so much shit that we forgot how much shit where in. Think of the last 2 years and what's happened that is unprecedented.

 

Sun, 10/11/2009 - 20:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/11/2009 - 20:41 | Link to Comment fivethousandove...
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Right Gecko...Cause there's just SO much inflation out there.  You Fail.

Deflation.  Get used to it.

And the DXY isn't even close to all-time lows.

You gonna be here when gold trades $750?

I love when he's asked if people are too late to getting in here long in Gold - Schiff mentions something like "no way".  Swear I heard some Cramer in that tone.

Inflation!!!! Oh no!!!! You guys have been saying this for a very long time now.  Where is it?

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:16 | Link to Comment uno
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Guess it comes down to Comex warehouses and who demands delivery.  If China and Arab countries are buying the contracts with intention of delivery, this thing could go parabolic.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 23:45 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Or does fractional reserve banking help to suppress the price?

Hmmm... While we are thinking, might as well consider everything, right?

Basically you are implying people are borrowing money and buying gold. That may be the case. But what about all the paper derivatives of gold that have been created, that people think represent gold, but might find out one day, doesn't exactly represent gold.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Edna R. Rider
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I don't doubt that the dollar will continue to slowly decline.  Clearly Obama's Fed & Treasury are the most arrogant set of people in power in a long time (Bush's warmongering was a different kind of arrogance).  But comparing a decline of housing of 30% to an increase in the price of gold of 500% seems a bit hopeful (I own gold).  The dollar impacts the price of all commodities.  So somehow we're going to have a lengthy recession (or mild depression) but all dollar-denominated things (oil, copper, corn, you name it) will increase 5-fold, or gold will have outsized gains because...?  And we'll pay for that $10/gallon gas and $12 loaf of bread with our gold coins?  At $1200/oz I'm a seller.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:44 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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That 30% decline in house prices, and $5000 gold?  They are connected.  One is leading to the other.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:48 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Obama's not errorgant. He won a piece priiize.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 14:57 | Link to Comment uno
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roman polanski may be available to baby-sit for O.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Hello MsCreant! Enjoying the PM rocket ride? I hope you increased your allocation before this latest run up.

When Krugman won the Economics Nobel, from that moment on I knew the Nobels were WORTHLESS. The NYTimes is subtly trying to justify his ill-deserved prize (or maybe well-deserved, considering how worthless they are, because after all, Obama is the epitome of worthlessness - there is a new prize for ya - The Nobel Worthlessness/Hot-Air Prize) with pretty weak arguments:

Obama telling UN leaders that the US "intended" to begin a new era of "engagement" (is that really a good thing considering how the US "engaged" with Iraq?) with the world

Made an overture to Islamic world during a speech at Cairo University.

Sitting with the U.N. Secretary general Ban Ki-Moon (read: puppet)

And last but not the least:

Getting some shitheads...er..."leaders" from Israel and Palestine to shake hands (again), after which they bombed the hell out of each other...again.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 16:25 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Hi Gordon,

Enjoying the PM rocket ride, wishing I had more, and waiting for the dip that may not come. In many ways I am Chumbawamba. Gold, guns, gear, and garden. My tomatoes are still going nuts, I need to learn to can them.  Three big watermelon need to come in off the vine. Berry bushes, apple trees had apples for the first time this year. I may take some of my cash and buy help in the garden. Too much to do.

Keep on rockin' us Gordo!

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 17:46 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Don't wait for any dip. What is it today...like 1050? It's time to buy right now. There is a very limited downside with substantial upside right now with $1000 acting as the floor now. The reason I am recommending that you should buy now is that when the last upleg unfolded at the end of 2007, those waiting for a dip were left in the dust as prices screamed onward from $700 to $850 without any correction worth the name, and this time I expect the same to happen, only the rise will be much more. If you absolutely HAVE TO wait for a correction, then wait for it to hit 20 DMA again, but who knows what the price of gold will be when that happens? I can assure you that in 6 months you'll be extremely happy that you bought it now.

Good luck with the garden!

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 14:55 | Link to Comment geopol
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Gordon,

 

One good thing about the prize,,,He's gonna have a hard fucking time telling people why he bombed Iran.

He should have vetoed the thing if he had half a brain, VANITY OH VANITY.

 

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:17 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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In recent years I've started to question the validity of the whole Nobel Prize system.  Now I know it is a complete and utter total joke, but with a decidedly unfunny punchline.

May as well give the prize to GW himself!  Hey, can we borrow Hitler's skull from the Soviet archives and posthumously award him a Nobel as well?

I am Chumbawamba.

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