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Pew Finds $1.26 Trillion State Retirement Shortfall, Says States Only Have $31 Billion In Assets To Pay For $635 Billion In Liabilities

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Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:43 | 1233844 TruthInSunshine
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...states have roughly 5 cents for every dollar in health benefits obligations.




p.s. - Ben Caught Stealing Bernank said he doesn't have legal authority to bail out (i.e. loan shark) the individual states. And he would never, ever monetize the U.S. deficit, either!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:44 | 1233861 LawsofPhysics
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SNAP indeed and when that is all gone, dog food.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:49 | 1233881 TruthInSunshine
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Here is Leo K's whining rant about "underpaid pension fund managers" (don't laugh - Leo K really published this heap of dog shit):


Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:47 | 1234177 Texas Gunslinger
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My uncle is a retired lobbyist for the Illinois Education Association, and he has a $125000 year pension, plus full benefits.

Should I kill him?


Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:13 | 1235057 blunderdog
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There's some commandment or something about that I think.

Smiting him would be just fine, though.  Smite him to death.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:16 | 1235378 chumbawamba
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No, just steal his money and buy gold with it.  Then maybe give it to the schools, from where it was taken.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:55 | 1233919 andybev01
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Indeed; dogs are quite edible...


(CAPTCHA: 68 minus two equals __ ...seriously?)

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:22 | 1234043 NotApplicable
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And since you can't buy dog food with SNAP, a day will come when people will go to the black market to trade them for a big bag of Kibbles & Bits.

Also, the Po Folks Consumer Report will come online and begin rating the various pet foods on such scales as protein level, flavor, chewability, digestibility, and of course, price. Ratings will come from the users in exchange for free product.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:51 | 1233892 SheepDog-One
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SNAP food stamp usage at all time record high, while wealth concentration and control is in the fewest hands ever. Well, its all seems highly bullish to me or something...I guess all that matters at all now is further Maniacal Monetization confirmed, party on at the Deadmans Ball!

PS- Ive been saying forever that bailing out states will not happen as Central Banksters gain NO benefit whatsoever in making Mom n Pops pension whole! They cant make money off it, so it will never happen!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:55 | 1233914 SoNH80
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Yep, they're priming us for total abrogation.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, counting on any form of defined-benefit pension, SS, annuity, etc. is folly.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:47 | 1234172 pan-the-ist
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Ok Genius, where do you put your money?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:55 | 1234222 SoNH80
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I pay the taxes and mandatory contributions like everyone else, but what little I have left over, I put into silver and my own land.  I plan to work until I die, as much as I am able.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:00 | 1234257 pan-the-ist
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So you'll be in the same boat as everyone else.  So why not pretend, like them, that everything will be fine?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:08 | 1234313 SoNH80
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Just like I am to pretend that the Creator cares about me personally?  Well I don't, just like Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and Ben Franklin.  And, just like those men, I look at present reality and engage with it.  I have accepted my fate, and that of my nation, I try to warn those that will listen, and I try to make my own pathetic preparations for myself and my family.  What more can be done?  More and more people share Indiana Jones' horror, in "The Temple Of Doom", when he realizes that there is no one at the controls of the plane, and they are heading right for a Himalayan mountain.  So here I am puttering around on an Internet comments section, but if one person is able to improve his preparations for the future because of my insights, it's worth it.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:09 | 1233979 Arrowflinger
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SNAP has added a million mouths in 5 months.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:36 | 1234116 tarsubil
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One way they may benefit is complete control of states through Washington. Washington can hold the debts paid over every state's head and basically tell them how things will go. More control and power gets concentrated in Washington and that is a bankster paradise.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:51 | 1234181 pan-the-ist
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So, to keep their freedom from the Federal Government, states should tax enough to meet their liabilities?  In other words, before a state can prove it can handle autonomy, it should have its house in order?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 19:12 | 1236240 Dollar Damocles
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The public sector unions are a powerful special interest in their own right.  I wouldn't be suprised at all to see a state bailout.  But maybe after they have canabalized private sector retirement funds.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:29 | 1234077 Arrowflinger
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Forbes in January of last year featured an analysis that was much more stark, as it used 10 year Treasury yields to depict the state of the states, instead of the typical 8% return estimates.





Tue, 05/03/2011 - 18:30 | 1236062 Buck Johnson
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You are correct, they can't legally bailout a states pension.  They would have to change the law, but I don't think they should even though they will via printing.  Because as soon as you bailout one state or open the door to this, then the other 49 states will want a bailout too and eventually it will be in the trillions not 630 billion.  The states are in alot worse shape than they are letting on.  What the guy quoted was statements that the state have to give to the public, but much of that data can be massaged.  When this whole thing implodes, it will make people insane with rage when they find out that they don't have anything.  And if you don't believe me google Prichard, Alabama, their town just stopped paying retirees pensions and benefits because they have no money.


Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:40 | 1233845 bankrupt JPM bu...
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Part 6 Bear vid out within hours.


Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:39 | 1233847 In Fed We Trust
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Come on Tyler,

Show us a picture of a headless Arab!


Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:41 | 1233848 Azannoth
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This is why the Govermnet should be Prohibited from, any health and retirement issues!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:39 | 1233851 schoolsout
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My uncle just took the job as head of retirement for the state of SC...should be interesting.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:47 | 1233871 falak pema
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depends what your aunt does in her spare time...if she has any to spare from her rose garden.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:09 | 1233996 Arrowflinger
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69% funded?



Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:25 | 1234063 schoolsout
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the term "bagholder" came up in conversation...

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:41 | 1234138 Arrowflinger
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Pinata fits better. He won't be holding the bag that gets swattted. He will be the bag.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:43 | 1233855 trav7777
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most of these states are absolutely FUCKED

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:42 | 1233863 falak pema
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How would you like your 50 fucks? Sunny side up? deep fried? or scrambled?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:58 | 1233933 Dr. Richard Head
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I will take them rectally as prescribed by Dr. Geithner and Nurse Bernanke.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:34 | 1234096 topcallingtroll
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And not the way we like it either.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:41 | 1233857 LawsofPhysics
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This data is old, but should be noted.  Any surprise that New York has everything covered?  The financial sector remains a cancer that the broader sectors of the economy can no longer sustain.  Hedge accordingly.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:59 | 1234232 dbTX
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Hedge against all inevitabilities, almost all probabilities and as many possibilities as you can

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:41 | 1233859 falak pema
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where have all the flowers gone...along with all the money...long time spending!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:47 | 1233865 TruthInSunshine
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Leo K said that Pension Fund Managers are woefully underpaid in an article earlier today.

I responded by telling ole' Leo that 99.99% of what are overpaid Pension Fund Managers would have done far better to have invested in Vanguard No-Load Index Funds and then fired themselves.

Here: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/public-pension-exodus

Even far better, they could have merely bought gold, that "barbarous relic."

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:49 | 1233896 SheepDog-One
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Leo is a dork.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:45 | 1233875 Mr Sir
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QE1 and QE2 already took care of this problem. This report is misleading in that it evaluates the assets as of June 2009. We all know most pension funds are 60% plus allocated to stocks which we all know are up nearly 50% since the PEW last valued the asset side of this asset/liability mismatch. Soon stocks will be at a new all-time high and then will move higher at a 45 degree angle until all of these funds are 105% funded. Problem solved.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:53 | 1233895 hedgeless_horseman
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Good thing they BTFD.

Now, only the pensioners (need real returns) are screwed, and not the fund managers (need nominal returns).  Thanks, Ben!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:00 | 1233930 Global Hunter
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what happens when more and more boomers start retiring and more and more funds hit some bids to raise some cash to meet current obligations?  

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:53 | 1234194 pan-the-ist
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You mean the entire system is a ponzi?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 21:46 | 1236628 StychoKiller
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Ah, there you are, Mr. VanWinkle.  Enjoy your nap?  How about a shot of O.J.?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:48 | 1233876 oogs66
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The Fed uses wealth effect to justify the success of QE2. Most of the wealth effect goes to a small subgroup that doesn't really notice the increased wealth - at least not in terms of additional spending.  What little wealth effect the average person gets is completely wiped out by the realization that they will not be able to receive the retirement or health benefits they expected.  That is the poverty effect Bernanke is missing.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:32 | 1234084 nantucket
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good point, reminds me of some research i readthat indicated GDP impact of rising equity levels is incredibly small.  Here is the moneyshot info:

"it's well established - on the basis of both U.S. and international data - that the "wealth effect" from stock market changes is on the order of 0.03-0.05% in GDP for every 1% change in stock market value, and the impact tends to be transitory at that"

here is the link: http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc110425.htm

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:49 | 1234188 oogs66
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Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:33 | 1234521 samsara
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That is the poverty effect Bernanke is missing.

 Bullshit.  Ben isn't "Missing" it.  He Get gets paid to IGNORE it.

The Fed is in essence owned by the David Rockefellers / Rothschilds.

He works for THEM,  They pay him to IGNORE people being destitute and to mumble in front of the camera.


Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:48 | 1233878 gabeh73
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So the question is does the Fed lets the states go to the shitter so they can then blame states and claim we need more centralization...order out of chaos...problem, reaction, propose a "solution"....or is chaos and disorder and anger this would cause too great to bear for TPTB?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:49 | 1233880 Misean
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This has been the 401K bubble since the 201K gallows humor jokes started 2 years ago.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:47 | 1233884 Internet Tough Guy
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Big deal. Nominal promises mean nominal requirments. Print it up and hand it out. There's your worthless money, pilgrim.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:52 | 1233907 Hedgetard55
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     Greenscam was quoted as saying they could guarantee your Social Security payment, but not that it would be worth anything.

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