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Photographer Detained For Taking Pics Of BP Refinery As Up To 100% Of Pensacola Area Reservations Canceled
Courtesy of BP, and everyone cutting corners wherever possible, it is becoming increasingly clear that the economic impact to the gulf economy will be devastating, particularly in the tourism industry, with “some condos and hotels reporting 100 percent cancellations.” And we have still to find someone who will willingly eat shrimp without a gun at their heads... and it is not just the surging price for the crustacean as the supply plummets. Imagine just how ugly it would get if Americans were allowed to have an idea of just how bad it truly is: it appears that the recently instituted "Beyond" First Amendment, where freedom of the press now carries a $40,000 fine and/or incarceration, has seen its first casualty: "A photographer taking pictures of a BP refinery in Texas was detained by a BP security official, local police and a man who said he was from the Department of Homeland Security." Who would have thought change you can believe in referred to the amendments to the constitution, starting with the first.
As more oil has spilled, fewer people have been willing to spend their summers at the beach.
Cancellations came in waves. One hundred cancellations were made around the second week of the spill, according to Schroeder. June 10 — the day the first tar balls hit the beaches — saw 1,000 more cancellations.
In addition, the phones have stayed ominously silent as new reservations have dried up. It’s been a week since the heaviest batch of oil hit the area, but the damage has already been done to the industry.
“It’s pretty safe to say about 75 percent of our reservations that have been on the books are gone,” Schroeder said. “Some condos and hotels are 100 percent cancelled.”
Oil cleanup has been a day-to-day process with cleanup crews working around the clock. Night cleanup has been the most effective because of the cooler weather.
“With every change of the tide, the impact is different,” said Sonya Daniel, public information manager for Escambia County. “It’s like a windshield wiper effect. There are good days and bad days. As long as the oil is still flowing, we’re going to have a chance for oil.”
Alex has been a major impact on the cleanup efforts, covering as much as 20 percent of Pensacola Beach and 40 percent of Perdido Key with tar balls. On Tuesday alone, workers collected 166,926 pounds of tar balls, oil material and sand.
The beaches remain open but under a health advisory to swim at one’s own risk.
“In the last two days, we’ve seen it impact the majority of our beaches,” Schroeder said. “We’d like to hope that after this hurricane spins through the Gulf and gets out of the way, this stuff stops coming on shore for a little while and gives us a chance to clean it up.
Yet it is becoming increasingly impossible to actually witness this, since as we reported, there is now a legally imposted distance barrier of 65 feet between any reporter and locations with oil booms, which are rapidly becoming virtually all. And not 24 hours after first reporting on this, did some reporter already find just how serious the administration is in withholding this brand new rule.
From MSNBC:
A photographer taking pictures of a BP refinery in Texas was
detained by a BP security official, local police and a man who said he
was from the Department of Homeland Security, according to ProPublica,
a non-profit news organization in the U.S.
The photographer, Lance Rosenfield, said he was confronted by the
officials shortly after arriving in Texas City, Texas, to work on a
story that is part of an ongoing collaboration between PBS and
ProPublica.
Rosenfield was released after officials looked through the pictures
he had taken and took down his date of birth, Social Security number and
other personal information, the photographer said. The information was
turned over to the BP security guard who said this was standard
procedure, ProPublica quoted Rosenfield as saying.
Rosenfield, a
Texas-based freelance photographer, said he was followed by a BP
employee after taking a picture on a public road near the refinery, and
then cornered by two police cars at a gas station. The officials told
Rosenfield they had the right to look at the pictures taken near the
refinery and if he did not comply he would be "taken in," the
photographer said according to ProPublica.
Elsewhere confused people were celebrating the [birth|death] of American democracy.
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Your papers, please!
Birth Certificates excepted...
And university papers too, nevermind grades or transcripts. Memory hole. Poof.
NO real job experience
http://cdn.theladders.net/static/pdf/Senator_Obama_Resume.pdf
imo the silver lining in the obama administration is that it is both ineffective and very similar in many ways to the bush administration. thus in gathering opposition to it from conservatives/republicans it can make acceptable opposition to policies that were allowed even admired when originated by the bush administration.
but obama admittedly has taken the bush template of corporatism and constitutional abuse and put his own unique stamp on it. i wonder how many liberals/democrats he's seduced to policies they opposed when bush's.
Probably quite a few democrats as can be expected, just like the big government Republicans that thought spending was a good idea under Reagan, Bush and Bush and who think that Scotty Brown is 'Change.'
Meanwhile the Joint Terrorism Task Force is doing a heckuva job!
What the frack! Public safety! "Don't worry, these handcuffs are for your safety."
In other news, crops all over the south mysteriously have low self-esteem (must watch):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPmCsZUD5zE
For what it's worth, I worked in a tankn farm on the Houston Ship Channel in the early seventies when in high school. While security at the time was pretty lax, there was a hard and fast rule, "No Photographs".
Cameras were held at the guard gate until one left the premises.
I was not aware of any penalties if caught.
If you liked W, ya' gotta love O, and vice versa. Same game, double down, all in.
"what's this? no no no the Constitution is not the papers we're talking about here.."
Birth Certificates are so pre-spill.
Now Death Certificates will be just fine. If you don't have it the BP security team will be happy to issue you one.
But the dead are happier dead. They don't miss much here, poor devils.
- i heard that they also accept birth certificates.
Do you think they will let me live in Montana and raise rabbits?
No papers are needed...except a drivers license..and social security card...and proof of insurance..and......
You will also have to obtain a specific rabbit license, and, for the protection of the food supply, a national security interest, you will have to have each rabbit individually tagged and tested on a monthly basis . . .
Except if for export, when the importer is forced to take whatever is in the container.
[alluding to the Japan beef testing rights]
Lemme see, how this works? Ain't right to ask for an ID in Arizona, but is around a BP facility anywhere?
Have we discerned something of a minor inconsistency?
lol hahahahahah
America land of the free where you can walk from Checkpoint C to Checkpoint D like you please! If you have a security clearence and your papers with you of course.
And now a little DNA test, Iris check, some fingerprinting and your free to go.
Don't forget the BioMetric National ID Card. Read DAEMON.
Look - if they were going to go to that extreme as a police state they would RFID everyone, much easier to track.
That's the whole point...the BioMetric ID as proposed at the press conference reported last week, will include a handy dandy RFID chip. Just like many new drivers licences and passports. Are you a troll?
I am not a Christian, but mark of the beast? They will start implanting chips at birth. For health outcome tracking, you see, to study the effects of the oil rain, corexit, etc. Feh.
had to renew my drivers license last month. . . it's a handy-dandy new biometric drivers license.
imagine my joy.
*waves sparkler*
I didn't renew mine. Fuck em.
Also, feel free to protest in our conveniently located Free Speech Areas.
As CNN is now reporting, the U.S. government has issued a new rule that would make it a felony crime for any journalist, reporter, blogger or photographer to approach any oil cleanup operation, equipment or vessel in the Gulf of Mexico. Anyone caught is subject to arrest, a $40,000 fine and prosecution for a federal felony crime.
http://www.naturalnews.com/029130_Gulf_of_Mexico_censorship.html
Let's all celebrate the freedom to save face
obviously this is a real threat. this rosenfield guy could be working for bin laden...he could take down our way of life with that liberal camera of his. god damn liberals. if only reagun was here. he would make everything good again.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/06/29/gordon-duff-cia-hints-bin-laden-...
yes but there are still some al qaeda left (<50)....a force far larger than the Afghan Army can handle.
Fascist Republic of America
Change you can believe in...what a fraud!
how does Obummer define "public* these days?
Public : every place you take a crap
Anyone who isn't bribed....
......after taking a picture on a public road near the refinery......
The photographer claims to have been on a public road (e.g. OUTSIDE refinery premises) and was chased down by BP security, assisted by local cops and (evidently) DHS personnel. As he was released without being charged with trespassing, it seems to me he might be telling the truth. That being said, does BP security really have a right or need to know his address, SSN, home number, next of kin, etc.? Do you think this event would encourage or discourage journalists from trying to find out more about said 'standard operating procedures' in the industry?
Also, as one closer to the industry than I, what do you think of the subject of why the hapless photographer was there in the first place: http://www.propublica.org/article/bp-texas-refinery-had-huge-toxic-release-just-before-gulf-blowout
Huh. Yeah, giving your ID is what it takes to get in facilities, especially regulated, unsafe, hazardous material or competitive industries.
Thats been true for quite awhile.
Now, I do not know the exact particulars (and none of us know the truth of a self reported event...from either a reporter or a company or the Texas City police) but if you take pictures of someones facility where they make vital or competitive products (Like do you think you can take pictures at the production facilities of Coke or Pepsi or Frito Lay or Nabisco?...you cannot) you may well get challenged or followed and asked what you are doing.
Nor can you hang around outside facilities taking pictures or get into one without giving ID.
Same is true of your house.
It may be a hassle...but it is not evidence of a cover up.
The BP Texas City facility has been an open mess since before they bought it...thats not a mystery to any of the locals since the 1990's
Aye, digging for actual malfeasance rather than the mere appearance of malfeasance is indeed needed. And not too much happened here.
This does little episode does seem to suggest however that some industries are now equivalent partners and members of the 'national security' apparatus -- however common and 'accepted' that practice may be, I still find it disturbing. The whole entanglement of interests thing, the whole 'public servant' vs. 'corporate employee' distinction seemed important to me. Naive thoughts, I know...
Me too
And 9/11 gave more wiggle room for Directors of Security at all kinds of facilities to wield their bureacratic instincts.
Nevertheless, until we have another source, John and Jane do depend on facilities which are safe and none of us want erosion of American know how to go elsewhere
You and I agree that armed with those banners all kinds of greater suppression of right to know muckraking can be hassled as well.
But that same incident could have happened outside a water bottling plant.
My goal is not to lower appropriate attention on BP, or freedom of the press....but to provide information that would direct our attention to other incidents as more insightful in those fights.
take care
The cooperation of corporations with the FBI and homeland security has been going on for a while.This is supposed to help secure strategic facilities.
It looks a LOT like Fascism to me.
But then again, I don't like in some freaking homeland.I live in America.
Many facilities cannot be photographed by ordinary people...like it would stop spies or terrorists for a second.Be afraid when they ask for your papers.We all know how that story ends.
Back when America was a free country, it was sufficient for a member of the press to show his press badge as a form of ID. He would not have been detained, and he would not have had to give his SSN. And I can stand outside your house and take all the pictures I want. If a police asks me what I'm doing, I'm not required to provide any identification; identification has never been required in this country to be in a public space, and citizens are within their rights to refuse to provide identification to anyone, including a police officer.
Of course, given that we're now a quasi-fascist police state, a citizen's rights only go so far as a police officer says they go. And that's kind of the point of people complaining about this incident. It used to be only blacks and young people who were illegally harrassed by police officers. Now we all subject to it.
Taking pictures in a public place is within the rights of everyone. Only in a police state do you get harrassed for normal exercise of your rights.
Unfortunately, this is true. Formally oppressed groups have not gained freedoms, we've collectively lost freedoms.
Arrest every tourist visiting Washington D.C. and taking pictures.
You never know which ones might be conducting targeting recon for Al Qaeda.
I'm amazed that the American film companies are not up in arms about this. Where is Kodak protecting its film sales? Ooops. I forgot no one uses film anymore.
Well, why are not the American camera companies rising up to fight this? Ooops. Forgot there are no American camera companies any more.
What about the American press. Were are those guys? Oh yeah. T&A and reading Defense Dept handouts on the great job being done to pacify Marjah, or Guljamabedinit, or whatever.
Well I guess since it is July 4th all Americans can celebrate a foreign company dictating what they can and cannot do in public.
As someone who has worked in the industry a long time, this smells like a rat. (On BP's part. Or more likely on the part of the guard.) It is completely normal for you to have to have "papers" to enter a facility. It isn't unusual to have to be escorted, even to the bathroom, once inside. It would seem perfectly normal for BP security to ask the photographer what he was up to.
What is incredibly unusual was for the rent-a-cop to have done anything other than to alert authorities to the man's presence. My instinct is that the mall ninja security guard overstepped his bounds, and perhaps was not following accepted procedure.
I'm not taking anyone's side on this, just sayin'.
So if I'm driving from my house to the corner store, BP has the right to detain me and bring in homeland security to get background information on me?
I have a fast car and a great camerera with a whip-ass lens. I think I will make a run at them and see if they can catch me. Texas is filled with refineries.
Have camera, will travel....
Outside the fence on a public road...you know public property not private....might want to read the article and it would cut down on your 'Wondering'.
Wondering,
safety procedures inside a refinery are needed.
A flash from a camera might trigger an explosion and is prohibited as well as firearms hopefully everywhere inside a plant (except you take additional precautions like checking for explosive atmosphere and obtain permission from a plant manager.)
For inside a refinery that is standard procedure everywhere but outside a plant those restrictions do not apply; there it should be safe by default.
Not taking pictures of a refinery from the outside has nothing to do with plant safety and is about censorship.
Other things that can trigger explosions in the dense flammable atmosphere surrounding refineries are:
automobile engines
cellphones
electric motors
computers
lend line telephones
selenoids
pumps
open flames
cigarrettes
power tools
welding equipment
If lightfrom a camera flash can blow up a refinery, then refineries should ban light bulbs and all of the above. Further, they should be shielded from the direct rays of the sun.
What keeps them from exploding now? Perhaps you
re exagerating for effect?
This seems reasonable, Al Kida or Tim Mc Vey's brother might have some interest in how those refineries work and how they are laid out.
To prevent this, you'd have to shut down the internet and close libraries and start surveillance of all telecomm and postal mail. Actually, I think our government is doing all of these except for shutdown of the internet.
I'm sure you know senator lieberman has been working hard to get his ""Kill switch bill" up 'n' running. . . it's been tossed about like the hot potato it is, from rockyfellas to snowes to *yawns* oh, well, lots of fingerprints trying to give power to the chief to flip the bird, sorry! switch when he deems the moment most juicy. . .
You need to be taken in then (otherwise you are saying it's ok to illegally search and seizure my fanny). Even if it's secessionist texans who are abusing the constitution, we must resist.
Jesus says "don't be afraid of photographers, be afraid of hell!" And "hump thy fellow man."
juwes
"And "hump thy fellow man.""
Many of us are heterosexual. But whatever gets you through the night.
Look gully, I'm just about tired... It's getting late. hump was a pseudonym for screw over. Because we seem to act like unthinking computers when confronted with interactive situations...... ahh never mind.
P.S. I like misquoting jesus because there isn't really any way to properly quote him is there?
I'm pretty sure he was just "poking" a little fun at you. Interactively speaking of course. :-)
cavity searches , hey , thats bullish!
Editor: Rod Sullivan Profession: Maritime Attorney July 03, 2010 By Rod Sullivan TrackBack (0) Category: Politics and Government First it was the FAA no-fly zone over the Gulf of Mexico, then it was the fire wall blocking previously public geographic information services (GIS) data, next it was the FCC shutting down of public access to weather satellites, now the Obama Administration is shutting down the news media. Under a newly established Coast Guard rule any reporter who gets within 65 feet of the oil from the spill, or any marsh, bird, worker, vessel, or boom will be guilty of a Class D Felony punishable by from 1 to 5 years in prison and fines up to $40,000. CNN reporter Anderson Cooper says: "A new law passed today, and back by the force of law and the threat of fines and felony charges, ... will prevent reporters and photographers from getting anywhere close to booms and oil-soaked wildlife just about any place we need to be. By now you're probably familiar with cleanup crews stiff-arming the media, private security blocking cameras, ordinary workers clamming up, some not even saying who they're working for because they're afraid of losing their jobs." What's my best guess about what is happening here? The Obama Administration desperately needs to keep the oil spill off the front pages with the November election approaching, and is perfectly willing to suspend the Constitution in order to make that happen. This assault on the First Amendment is sad and unfortunate. All of you who complained about the Bush Administration after September 11th need to be just as vocal about your opposition to this assault on our liberty. Who do I think is behind it? Rahm Emmanuel, President Obama's Chief of Staff. There is a bit of Goebbels in him.
"This assault on the First Amendment is sad and unfortunate."
It's fucking criminal is what it is!
The first amendment is under attack in Toronto too and they are protesting there after the G20. There were record arrests, I believe 1000, and 70% of those arrested went uncharged.
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...
Canada's not yet part of Amerika
Yes I realize that but they have a charter that allows for freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is under attack would be more accurate but it was late when I posted that.
That's what the Second Amendment is for.
I'm trying to figure out on what legal authority G20 security has for running around in unmarked vans with thugs in plain clothes tackling and snatching up peaceful protesters and then taking them to temporary holding cells where more thugs strip searched and probed private cavities, threatened people with rape, and that's just what the women are reporting. I wonder if the men are being more quiet about what happened to them.
It's a very rude awakening for protesters, these days. The guys in uniforms are the least of your worries. Look out for the body snatchers. Also, look out for the hired, undercover anarchists who often wear black and are there to make protesters look like rioters.
Common sense would then necessitate protesters bring along equalizers to their next event.
That seems to be where we're headed. Protesters are being made out to be terrorists, which forces them into behaving more like terrorists.
I wonder if this is what happened to groups that were resisting our elites. They weren't terrorists until some false flag event ruined any chance they had of gaining political support. If they were protesting by burning opium farms, well, that's terrorism.
Given the terms of that statute I think you run the risk of arrest if you pull into a BP gas station.
Try and pump any gas and a Homeland Security honcho will probably drill you a new .45 cal asshole no questions asked.
And they expect tourists?
looks as if the american people are headed back to the dugout after a called third strike. pathetic lot we are.
The press got Obama elected, now let the reap what they sowed!
Reap what they sowed? Being thwarted from reporting this protects The Won and his minions. Or is it the minions and their won? Hard to tell as he's simply signed every bill Congress has sent him, with little input other than the endless sideshow speeches, in his peculiar, flippant, almost irrelevant style.
Unfortunately, I'm having to reap what they have sown.
Wonder when the kill switch will be turned on?
knowing my luck, right when I am about to execute a sell order on an ultrashort position.
And bye bye will go all e-commerce, web services, traffic control, GDP, VOIP, the phones, the TV, the everything.
I hope they do just so's there can be a complete hue and cry. Anyone who's worked on the government's private NIPRnet knows what a complete bandwidth joke it is. That we allow people such as these to make any decisions on our behalf is absurd.
Guys,
These are common proceedures at agricultural chemical plants, paper mills, paint facilities, pigment plants, chlorine plants, sulphur plants, nitrogen plants, pharma plants, food processors, parts of Ben and Jerry's (true) and even some liquor plants.
I am not saying BP is not Satan. I am just urging us to concentrate on other and better evidence
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/photographer-detained-taking-pics-bp-re...
Would you go outside and ask what some photographer taking pictures of your house from all angles was doing there?
Would you let him in your house without ID?
If he ran off would you want to know what he was doing and why he was taking pictures of your house?
Would you feel it was within your rights to tell him he could not take pictures of the inside of your house through the windows?
Of course you would
So when someone points out that its common proceedure to ask for ID and prohibit pictures at many commerical places....some genius feels thats a junk observation?
Gimme shelter.
No one is sticking up for BP....but to get smart well financed organizations under control you have to be smart yourself....not emotional
Who lives at this refinery... and why???
Your analogy is like a dog eating its own vomit, only the dog really knows why.
I did not say I liked the situation. Nor did I defend the actions
I just said it is/would be a very common occurence for a photographer taking pictures of many facilities to be asked what he or she was doing and who they were.
Its not behavior particular to BP....or to many people. For proof of that contention that it is not unusual behavior...just ask your self what you would want to find out about the guy taking telephotos through your windows....from the public road outside your house
Now, we can proceed from there to say that should change because it encourages secret behavior on the part of corporations...but we cannot say this is just what BP does.
Hey...dont take my word for it. Go to a nearby chemical facility and try to get in and take pictures.
Then go to a nearby oil tank farm or shipyard or rail yard nearby and take pictures from the road and see what happens.
All I am saying is that it is not particular to BP
Wondering,
You do know that the people of the United States have the right to take photos in public places, right?
The law only prohibits taking pictures of something that might impact NATIONAL SECURITY. I don't see how you can even argue a scenario that would justify detaining the photographer in this case...and apparently the Homeland Security folks and BP Security agree (no charges filed).
Here is a primer on the law regarding photography in public places by the author of the book, "The Legal Handbook for Photographers." Do me a favor, please. Read it, then comment based on what the actual law is, not just what you believe it to be.
Oh, and to answer your question-no, I did not chase down the photographer who took the picture of my house from the public street which can now be viewed in GoogleEarth-streetview.
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
pre
One more time. On every post I made clear
I did not say what happened is good, legal, or I was in favor of it.
If you think this is one isolated incident ...particular to BP you are not aware of how things work in these kinds of places and company towns
I said....it is common for this kind of incident to happen. I said it was a common reaction. I said it happens at not just BP and not just oil refineries.
Oddly, I added reasons to be concerned...not the other way around.
I was quite clear on some posts I did not think it was a good thing. I made fun of Directors of Security using 9/11 to justify all sorts of hassling. I said this common and frequent practice is an attempt to tamp down on muckraking and whistleblowing.
I invited all who doubt it to go try to get into a chemical or food or pharma or oil facility or go to a small town and hang around taking pictures from the public road. You will likely be asked who you are and what you are doing there.
And for your last snide remark...I am fully aware that its all on GoogleEarth streetview. What I said is that in the majority of small towns in the USA if you take pictures into someones house....they can get the police to at least inquire as to what you are doing. Yeah its legal. We all know that. Yeah things happen. You should know that.
Its a suspicious, gossipy and small minded world.
Lastly, do me a favor and read what was actually said not what you believe was said.
Your keyboard must be tired from typing the same thing over and over.
You are correct in your point about taking pics. at a tank farm etc....
But you would/should be questioned by the sheriff, not the MNOD. (mall ninja on duty)
Agreed Colonel. And other than checking, there is not anything even sherrifs can do. It is perfectly legal to take pictures from public roads....just common for it to be checked into if you do it at post 9/11 strategic facilities...especially in small rural towns.
My guess is that as you point out... there is an overly aggressive mall cop on staff at the facility. There has been so much turnover at BP Texas City that too often only the folks who cannot get jobs elsewhere still work there.
Local people and industry workers as far away as the Houston BP Texas City have considered bottom of the barrel for longer than a decade.
Its also entirely possible for the sherrif and the plant "security" to be related or ex members of the same department (either sherrifs department or the plant security)
There are a number of towns in the Gulf where one of the managers of the plant moonlights as the mayor or the some other government official.
Some of these places go back to the 1930's when they were company towns and the plant owned the homes and the stores. The Plant Manager was the judge and some other manager was the mayor and the sherrif was his cousin.
Under such circumstances, legally there was free speech....and of course you could take pictures from the public road...but in reality...not when the runoff was flowing into the Mississippi.
I recently went to a plant on the Gulf Coast where the security house at the fence would gladly store your guns for the day before you got your admittance pass and escort. I got the feeling dropping off guns was less suspicious behavior than dropping off a camera.
it smells good and I tried some.
The point is that it is not against the law to take pictures of somebody's house from a public street, and you cannot be detained or arrested or your picture confiscated.
Why is taking BP pictures a threat to national security? It lets people know what is going on, and the goverment and BP feels that is to dangerous.
There is a continual misuse of the term national security whenever the goverment wants to break the law or create freedom inhibitng new ones like the patriot act
I agree. All I am saying is that there are tons of places that would do the same thing....under the cloak of security.
Whens the last time there was a big muckraking breakthough? Considering the degree of corruption it sure appears to be tamped down by the powers that be
i think you are commenting on one.
@ jeff montayne
Well played.
BP is very unpopular right now and has probably recieved threats. A person taking photos of a BP refinery might be viewed as suspicious. Like he was scoping the place out. A bigger issue to me is why BP would take his social security # and info, and not DHS or the local police.
If I got the right place, I think google scoped it out already:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bp+refinery&sll=29.385765,-94.930115&sspn=0.155558,0.307274&ie=UTF8&hq=bp+refinery&hnear=&ll=29.380137,-94.931526&spn=0,0.008224&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=29.379178,-94.932997&panoid=4Wzgxs-0KYFmCq8vrDk5oA&cbp=12,163.48,,0,5
Yes I would implement an attack based on this photo. This is all you would need. Are you fucking kidding?
If it wasn't clear, I was being sarcastic about google "scoping" them out already, as well as pointing out the irony and futility of such "security measures" given the plenty photos and angles available.
Sorry I didn't catch the sarcasm.
I'm pretty sure if I tried to have someone arrested for taking pictures of my house from the road, they wold lock me up in a loony bin.
Nice try though, shill.
Not a shill and not what I said....I said its common for people and companies to want to find out why someone is taking pictures of their "property".
And in fact in many towns if you called the police they would ask a stranger why he was taking pictures into your house.
It may not be right but its not a behavior particular to BP
nice try at reading comphrension.
I have to agree with you Wondering.
They may be able to take you in for questioning as a suspicious person and get your personal information off your license.
Unfortunately after 9/11 people were getting questioned for taking pictures of bridges, buildings...I met a painter that said he was questioned by police as he was sketching and brushing on canvas a portrait of a building. I believe he was told to leave too.
I think it's pathetic and criminal to intimidate people like this. It feels very much like a police state everywhere.
Have you not heard about 9/11 and the Patriot Act. It is a police state - everywhere in the U.S. They are keeping America safe for democracy.
they are keeping America safe from democracy
demo and crazy , how fitting
Taking pictures of your house and into your house ar two different things. One is tourism the other voyeurism. Don't mix up your arguement in the comparison.
Real Estate agents do this sort of thing for a living. They even photograph houses not up for sale.
It's not illegal.
I have a set of houses that are always having photos taken of them - and painted. I live in St. John's, NL and have a set of row houses for my B&B, and live down the street.
Only thing that bugs me is that they make money off the postcards and paintings and yet I'm the one paying to upkeep all my properties.
I should charge you for using my magenta and cyan bandwidth. Where do you think those isotropic rays come from?
Stop confusing the principles embodied in the First Amendment with obfuscations of polemic minutiae.
Of course there are necessary safety procedures inside of specific establishments. Of course one cannot yell fire in a crowded theater.
The discussion at hand concerns our rights as established in common law through the Magna Carta and codified in the Bill of Rights being eliminated by elected officials who have sworn an oath to defend, protect and preserve the very same.
Did you do this when google maps had your residence photographed?
And evidently, now it's common procedure on public roads...
Boom School 101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w
+101
Fucking proper fucking booming
There is only one problem, and that is the dispersant factor. Everything is pushed down into the water instead of surfacing so it can be collected. It will go right under any booming. BP wants the least amount showing in order to minimize per barrel fines, if that ever happens.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/dwp2.jpg
Big oily, black swan.
looks like a pelican, trades like a swan.
Obama got Obama elected. He is just trying to get re-elected like every politician. Would he be re-elected taking measures that zerohedgers advocate? Be realistic and get off the fox news vs msn feces train.
Change cannot come from people owned by corporations which care only that they make a few pennies more per share at the expense of every living (and often dead) thing in the universe.
Change comes from small things like that photographer saying NO.
you mean change you like. certainly some serious change (pun and no pun) came from the people owned by corporations (e.g. bush and obama, etc., etc., etc.).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQZBVTp_-9Y
Team America lyrics - Freedom Isn't Free
What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice
Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had.
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad
Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty fuckin' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?
What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom.
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little pussy
'Cause the only reason that you're here.
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass
Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a have to hook'in fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?
You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five
America, Fuck yeah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
+1. and gentlemen... this is precisely what this country is all about. for your viewing pleasure, i present... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBC1Qob27sM
reminds me of Lord of War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AftHOPB3Bqc
Genius! Set your euro short stops at a buck oh five!
this is being launched in europe. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. SigardTM SigardTM audio analytics is a very reliable method of automated detection to combat crime and antisocial behavior. 90% of all incidents involving physical aggression are preceded by verbal aggression. The ability to spot verbal aggression before it turns into a violent outbreak delivers valuable time to security personnel and enables speedy intervention. SigardTM is based on sophisticated sound detection and analysis software that isolates specific sound patterns from the overall ambient sound picture. It dissects and looks for clues in the sound, much like the human hearing does. Whenever a sensor in the SigardTM aggression detection system registers the typical sound characteristics of human aggression, anger or fear, the system will send out an alert. It will trigger the camera nearest the incident or other security surveillance devices. The system works indoor and outdoor, at hot-spots with frequent incidents or locations with low incident rates. System architecture SigardTM is an IP-based system and can easily be integrated into other systems. Using the fully described APIs, SigardTM has already been integrated with several video management and building control systems. The benefits: Sigard increases safety Immediate alarm of aggression incidents leads to quicker response, often preventing incidents from escalating. This decreases potential harm to people and damage to properties. It increases the chance of arrest and prosecution while decreasing follow-up cost of violent incidents. Sigard increases effectiveness Automatic alerts substantially reduce the chance of security personnel missing incidents or spotting them too late. The operator can assess the situation better and inform and deploy security personnel more accurately and more appropriately. Sigard increases efficiency Constant monitoring is no longer necessary. One operator can keep track of more cameras. Security personnel can be deployed more efficiently. Sigard improves privacy Constant monitoring is no longer necessary. The system is only triggered when it detects human aggression.
1984Brazil.
Hit the kill switch, g'bye Sigard. Gonna be a lotta pissed off ppl too.
Nice, . . . . to be mandated as an app in all cellphones along with GPS and biometric information . . for your safety mind.
What if someone is only venting? What if someone is about to get in a fight and has a change of heart? Machines don't like that. Machines want to condemn. This is how we're approaching techno-fascism.
Actually, we are in Techno fascism already.
My thoughts and this is a critical issue:
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/the-age-of-machines/
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
Minority Report here we come
You think it's just the oil? The cluelessness of this administration knows no bounds. What parent is going to let their children swim in that filth? What responsible adult wants to lay awake at night wondering what [potentially] toxic chemicals they were exposed to as a result of the dispersant? Who in their right goddamn mind wants to visit a vacation destination only to look an entire population in the eye as their livelihoods wash ashore and coagulate the sand?
You're right, the best thing to do amid uncertainty is to create even more uncertainty to the point of skepticism...as if the entire region hadn't been thrown to the ground and kicked, let's add salt to their wounds for good measure. The word is shitshow, and an amateur one at that. I pray to god this gets picked up by Obama's ego-monitors so he can know there's at least one person in this world that thinks he's a fucking hack for proposing solar energy (with a smile!) as a solution to this mess. Run his ass out on a rail before he's given the opportunity to start a war and turn his ratings around.
Send Obama to jail next after Geithner.
Freedom sucks. Let the politicos feel the fascism they are imposing on their own people.
Obama is a puppet. EVERY campaign promise made has turned out to be a lie. LIAR.
Thank God he won't be re-elected.
Did you just predict 2012 today? After witnessing 2004's results, a superior politician like Obama will win re-election easily. There is no opposition in any party right now and thanks to lack of objective media there probably won't be.
Hope it doesn't crush your spirits too much, but incumbents are winners in the good ol' USA!
did you just predict 2012's results today?
Incumbents are uber, not guaranteed.
Of course you are correct thanks to one word in my damn dummy post, obama will win should have read obama should or probabilistically will win.
I don't mind my mistakes. Hey everybody, check out my mistake!
2004 used highly dubious (wink, wink) vote counting methodology.
It's all to apparent that British Petroleum has been running this show from day one. Governments are subsidiary and ancillary to the concerns of these international corporate oil behemoths. Only someone morally blind or pre-programmed with the self censoring propaganda displayed by this nice guy apologist "Wondering" can fail (perhaps quite consciously) to see the manipulation and deceit which are the calling cards of these elitist fascist agents. Reassuring the gullible and credulous morons with the obvious planted red herring of "standard operating procedures" along with infantile misspellings is likewise a sign of either ignorant tool or someone actually operating in the enemy camp which BP clearly is-an enemy of this nation and its citizens and a criminal rogue element operating well outside the accepted and established boundaries of our national environmental civil and criminal laws abrogated and abridged for them most compliantly by the puppet Obama and the odious coward Ken Salazar.
Gotta remember that BP was once known as the Iraqui Petroleum Company. Pissing off Americans is in their genes.
The predecessor organization was established in 1909 as the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, incorporated as a subsidiary of Burmah Oil Company in order extract oil in Iran. In 1935 it was renamed the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Through time the organization's name has change numerous times, the latest incantation being BP, intended as an acronym for "Beyond Petroleum", attempting to capitalize upon the current social meme of priortizing energy consumption from other than fossil fuels. "Beyond Petroleum" replaced the prior formal name BP signified of "British Petroleum".
They also gobbled up Amoco (American Oil Co, formerly Standard Oil) along with a few others. These corporations are supranational. Though they have the name of a "British" corp, they are more like a United Nations of fuckers.
We've already gone beyond the mere harassment of photogs. A friend of mine traveling east to visit grandkids was stopped at a roadblock in Nebraska, that stopped EVERY vehicle to search for drugs. That upsets me more than the photog, but I hate both. We have no rights anymore.
Change you can believe in! This is the stuff of revolutions if it continues unabated.
Only "change" I believe in (pre-65' only).
http://www.kenston.k12.oh.us/khs/website-support/gold/images/buy_old_pocket_change_coins.jpg
Rusty my July 4th treat was to hear that distinct jingle in my change and viola! A silver quarter 1964.
Sweet.
Seems these new rules came about after this video surfaced a few days ago.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/49121/BP_covering__up_oil_on_beaches_with_dumped_sa/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s__Z8oBj7BM
"puppet Obama" .......... hmmm. i'm not a creative person, but, there are some creative capitalists out there would could MAKE A PUPPET OBAMA, COMPLETE WITH STRINGS & A COMPANION PUPPET, BEN BERNANKE, who pulls those strings !!! YOU'D MAKE A FORTUNE !!
GS already has made them. I think they hold the patent! ;-) They have indeed made a fortune.
Happy Dependance Day!
Can we declare July 5th the 1st annual "Take a picture of a BP refinery Day" or "Pose with a Gulf Coast Oil Boom Day"?
Let's just call July 5th, "Defiance of Tyrants Day" from now on.
It's a day to do everything from fishing without a license to telling your wife to rub her own fucking feet to having a family picnic inside of a Coast Guard cordon.
I once had a picnic inside a Coast Guard condom but it was not a place that I would want to take the family.