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PIIGS CDS Hit All Time Wides

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It has been a few month since everyone was throwing the word "contagion" around just to sound smart. Prepare to get a whole lot more of that. PIIGS CDS are now at a fresh all time record, way wider than during the May days, that lead to the flash crash and Greece's bankruptcy. All this means that the fair value of the market is now even lower than where it was on May 6, but the tail risk has been internalized by not only US but European taxpayers. That rubber band will snap again. Just a matter of time.

 

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Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:03 | 721611 Turd Ferguson
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As this relates to the PMs, I think its important to remember that, at the height of the Greek crisis in May, gold was trading around 1150. A more detailed update later at: (spam alert)

www.tfmetalsreport.blogspot.com

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:12 | 721623 Tortfeasor
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OT: Is Mish's site down, or down-and-out?

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:18 | 721631 rapacious rachel wants to know (not verified)
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Well, he has either been in a tragic accident or maybe, more likely something do do with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TD4TgcRRY&feature=related

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:26 | 721768 bigdumbnugly
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re: spam alert

turd, i'll be right there behind you.  (not in that sense... you can relax)

have read the first few, looks good, good luck with it.

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:03 | 721612 ZippyBananaPants
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Sell Everything

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:16 | 721629 SWRichmond
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Sell all, and purchase liberty!

 - Patrick Henry

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:21 | 721639 centerline
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is that an app?

 

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:09 | 721617 Oh regional Indian
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This is yet another signal, Sovereign risk has exposed the hollowness of the word sovereign. No nation, especially not one with a central bank (pretty much the whole world) is sovereign anymore, just beholden to the BIS and it's whimsical (punishingly whimsical) diktats.

Surely a sign of things to come everywhere.

Swine flu is contagious, after all.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:54 | 721691 jus_lite_reading
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The swine flu is not the only thing contagious- sovereign defaults are even more contagious.  I KNOW China is waiting for the right moment to declare their US T's are worthless garbage and that they have been duped by not only the US but also the EU and UK. The Chinese are quite smart, but at the same time, very stupid.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:07 | 721618 sandorgb
Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:09 | 721620 HelluvaEngineer
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Wonder how long it will take the world to figure out that Euro = Dollar = 0.  I still see an equity flush and money piling into PM at the same time.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:18 | 721635 EscapeKey
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Euro = Dollar / 0

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:21 | 721640 HelluvaEngineer
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Damn, you just caused my browser to blow up.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:37 | 721664 bigdumbnugly
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you get the strangest captcha questions EscapeKey.

 

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:39 | 721679 shortus cynicus
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This operation is illegal. SEC takes care about it.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:10 | 721621 kaiten
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US has QE II, eurozone have the PIIGS. Currency wars, here we go.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:11 | 721622 Iam Rich
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US has CA, IL, NY, MI, FL, etc.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:42 | 721682 omi
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These are separate jurisdictions and have nothing to do with each other. 

FEDs will be ok, CA,IL,NY will have issues.

I'm waiting until it becomes more clear to everyone that many of the environmental programs which result in asset grabs of land are nothing more than beefing up the FED's asset side of the balance sheet, as to be able to show collateral.

 

(by FED I don't mean Federal Reserve, but Federal Government)

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:12 | 721624 unum mountaineer
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and US woes are on the back burner..feel like I'm watching a world wide game of hackee sack.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:18 | 721634 centerline
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Yup.  Full contact hot potato.  Players slipping on brass knuckles now.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:23 | 721646 101 years and c...
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the QE2 smokescreen accomplished its goal:  get the PD's out and all funds "all in".  seriously, its no coincidence that the PIIGS are blowing up days after QE2 was announced and we had a blow off top in equities.

the playbook is right on schedule.

and, if (or, should i say WHEN) US equities tank, the US/Fed will say it was because of Europe.  and everyone in the US then loves the Fed for saving us thru monetization.

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:15 | 721627 Dick Darlington
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Tax payers, get ready to bend over. Again.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:17 | 721632 Cursive
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"These are not the CDS you are worried about.  Return to your X-Box."

Obi Wan Bernanke

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:21 | 721643 HelluvaEngineer
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I'm sure Ben's enjoying some "Black Ops" this morning.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:18 | 721633 Cursive
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Duplicate.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:26 | 721638 Mercury
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"Contagion" only sounded smart when paired with "Asian" back when the  "Tigers" lurched into crisis mode.  We need something that rhymes with 'European' or 'Euro.'

Remember, in America if it rhymes, it must be true ;)

-Is that ZH proprietary PIIGS 5yr CDS index equal or cap-weighted?

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:26 | 721654 cossack55
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Alabama reading test:  mr dogs

                                nodeyrnt

                                osar

                                cmpn

Hey, it rhymes

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:22 | 721644 chinaguy
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I dunno, EURUSD @1.37 & AUDUSD @ 0.99..none of this hasn't been seen in the last week & USDCHF is static

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:22 | 721645 slaughterer
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Looks like the US can now open its eyes to beyond it borders.  And the world has not been looking so good...  As psychologist of the markets, I diagnose:

QE2: "clueless" narcissism

PIIGS: "contagious" psychosis

World system of central banks: "he is dead, Jim."

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:23 | 721647 mohadiep
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It's getting nasty bitchez!

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:26 | 721653 ZackAttack
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I'm sure it's been posted, but the leveraged US muni funds blowing up as well, not just limited to one state.

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:32 | 721660 37FullHedge
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When The UK was in the ERM at too high a level the BoE had interest rates over 10% busting the country and spending good money hand over fist until Sorros got his way Then the best thing happened The Uk dropped out of the ERM interest rates dropped and growth returned, Clearly the same thing is happening with the Euro and Sorros is at it again and the only way to get growth is for the Euro to break up,

The PIIGS need a much devalued Euro and Germany needs the Euro where it is and until this hapens this crap will go on and on until like the UK it does happen, I am not sure if or when but looking at this chart I wouldnt be supprised if the Euro is no more within 12 Months,

I assume if I can see this Sorros is loading his leveraged shorts as I write Is he doing God work?

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 11:39 | 721996 Fascist Dictator
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Since Soros thinks he is god, then he'd be doing god's work. He is an evil dude, according to Malaysia and an economic criminal who sucks blood out of people according to Thailand. George (Schwartz) Soros is a vampire.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:34 | 721666 Mr.Kowalski
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RIP Emerald Isle. You'll soon join Iceland in the world's outhouse. At least the Irish have had experience with this position in the past.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:35 | 721669 mohadiep
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Nice! Let me guess: stock markets will go up today, thanks to Beny "MOFO" Bernacke

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:35 | 721670 getblue
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Funny, it looks like it happens any time USD is in trouble...

I'm pretty sure GS is involved in this CDS game, they always are when it smells bad.

Therefore, the question is why do you give such a focus to this meaningless game ?

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:38 | 721676 bingaling
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I concur ..definite contagion in the area . I always wondered what it was like to feel smart.

My bet TSHTF this weekend . Nobody likes bad news on a Friday . I can't wait to see futures or Asia trading come Sunday night ...It should be the best show on Earth .

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:45 | 721685 Kina
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My concern is the Aussie market and if to drop all my gold and silver stocks and take the profits first thing monday.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:22 | 721761 bingaling
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I hear you .I wish you the best of luck . 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:43 | 721683 Kina
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The walls of the global economy are creaking and groaning. People have enough warning now to go protect their arses. If those able are not in gold and silver when the implosion begins they can blame nobody.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:04 | 721714 rookie
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sovereign credit default swaps are the stupidest things ever.  these guys are making money temporarily but when the credit event happens no one will be able to pay them.  idiotic.  sorry cheeky.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:21 | 721760 jmac2013
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Don't know if you saw this, but there is talk of settling these contracts in gold.  Sounds like a nice fraudulent way to relocate gold from sovereign nations to private entities.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/washington-must-ban-us-cr_b_489778.html

 

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:08 | 721729 gwar5
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I say Europe takes the blue pill first. 

Death of a country starts with one PIIG.

They rest see how easy it is, they all follow

America is a chicken, and we have Ben

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:55 | 722353 doggings
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I say Europe takes the blue pill first.

I think you mean "the Red Pill"

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:16 | 721746 wswarrior
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I am absolutely amazed by how nobody in the MSM thinks that it's odd that the market cannot have a 1% down day.  The futures, as always, are well off of their worst levels on soothing words from the EU.  Give me a break!  Yesterday's action was even more telling, you have CISCO, with $130B market cap before earnings that loses over 15% of its value because it guided sharply lower, yet the DOW only closed down 74 points.  It's beyond lunacy at this point. 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:35 | 721788 MGA_1
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Everything is ok, just keep on moving...

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:57 | 721850 Dapper Dan
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I think it is just about time for my Trephination.

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 16:40 | 723228 MurderNeverWasLove
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careful with that axe, eugene

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