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Pima County Sheriff: "Loughner May Have Had An Accomplice"
Salon provides some unpleasant additional information on yesterday's headline news, which many had already suspected: namely that Loughner likely did not act alone. "Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said at a news conference in
Tucson on Saturday that authorities may have a photo of another suspect." Unfortunately, with a nation increasingly on edge, this possibility will likely turn out to be true. We can only hope that other like-minded individuals do not take this event as an escalation signal, and proceed to take vigilante "justice" into their own hands.
From Salon:
The Arizona sheriff helping investigate the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others says the gunman may not have acted alone.
Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said at a news conference in Tucson on Saturday that authorities may have a photo of another suspect.
Dupnik says officials believe a suspect in custody may have come to the grocery store parking lot with another person, and that person was in some way involved.
Dupnik would offer no other information.
People familiar with the investigation have identified the suspected gunman being held as 22-year-old Jared Loughner.
Law enforcement officials also believe Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was the intended target of an armed attack in Tucson. Dupnik said at a Saturday evening news conference that "I don't have information about whether she was the first person shot, but yes, I believe she was the target."
The sheriff said Giffords was shot once in the head, and 18 other people were shot. Six are dead.
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Reagan repealed the Mental Health Systems Act in 1981, and responsibility for mental health care was passed to the states. He then reduced federal health care funding to the states by 25% with the Omnibus Budget Reconcilitaion Act of 1981.
1981—President Ronald Reagan signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981. This act repealed the Mental Health Systems Act and consolidated ADAMHA's treatment and rehabilitation service programs into a single block grant that enabled each State to administer its allocated funds. With the repeal of the community mental health legislation and the establishment of block grants, the Federal role in services to the mentally ill became one of providing technical assistance to increase the capacity of State and local providers of mental health services.
I seem to remember Democrats being in control of the House in 1981. And that little raging recession of the time.
So what? Then the states should fund hospitals if they want them.
Or better to spend even more money on cops (with pensions) attempting to shuffle the homeless around because they aren't "good for property values"?
I wonder if you only wear one size fits all clothing.
I also wonder if you remember what a terrible place those government funded "hospitals" were. They made use of lobotomies, primitive electroshock "therapy", and forced sterilization. Real Nazi stuff. Maybe that's why you like it? That is the reality of the state given power over the weak, after all.
Now, I am not trolling, and I agree with tmosley.
There is nothing more horrible than removing the liberty of one man and subjecting him to unvoluntary treatments by force "in the name of the State", notably when this man is totally able to reason.
I have seen many sad - and true - stories about this, and these were very depressing.
Suggest you go talk to your mental health professional about it.
I'm shocked and appalled at the comments. This a website that details how those in power have enslaved everyone and destroyed the country. How dare you pussies start whining about how people shouldn't be able to have guns. An armed citizenry is the last thing standing between us and a total police state.
I am shocked! Shocked to find trolls on this web site!!!111!!eleventy!!!1
That's why I've started trolling. I have been utterly shocked and disgusted by the very puerile whining of what were supposed to be smart men.
The whole thread (1315 comments) on the shooting is fucking ridiculous. A fucking Democrat bitch who voted for the TARP gets shot (she's not even dead), and everybody starts ranting against firearms and violence.
Wow. Wasn't this supposed to be a libertarian site?
Millions of people get shot everyday, tens of thousands die in atrocious circumstances, and nobody gives a fuck about them, because the fucking medias do not talk about them.
I hate hypes. They reveal the stupidity of mankind. And I'm very sad I discovered it on ZeroHedge.
For the record, I am a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment.
"The whole thread (1315 comments) on the shooting is fucking ridiculous. A fucking Democrat bitch who voted for the TARP gets shot (she's not even dead), and everybody starts ranting against firearms and violence."
Got compassion? Despite being against your political views she seemed like a fairly decent person. Our Founders provided a way to get rid of people that don't represent us, it's called a vote.
"Millions of people get shot everyday, tens of thousands die in atrocious circumstances, and nobody gives a fuck about them, because the fucking medias do not talk about them."
Who would ever have thought that the death of a person that affects our everyday lives and that really shows the deterioration of our once great country would harness more concern than a person halfway accross the world that dies of less than desirable circumstances. So tell us oh great one, how do you shoulder the burdens of the entire world?
Wonder why I got junked? Perhaps because I didn't capitalize "great one"?
This implies that the next person voted in power might represent you. Which might not be true.
Millions? I'll take that to mean at least 2 million.
And the days in the year still number about 365.
So are you trying to say that close to 10% of the worlds estimated population is involved in a gun related trauma every year?
Even 5% stretches the imagination thin.
+357
Our country will have a civil war. It is obvious from just reading the posts on this blog. This once was a country where all Americans would be appalled at what has happened in Arizona, but here you can find those who find justification for this. A nine year old child is dead. What political crime did they commit?
The child and the bystanders are of course a tradegy. I'm not shedding any tears for any politicians though except for maybe Ron & Rand Paul.
+1
There once was a time, not long ago, in America when Black people couldn't vote. Your reference to when ALL Americans would be appalled is a reference to a time when ALL Americans were ignorant because they didn't have access to the Internet and weren't able to see through the facade of the corporate machine that runs this country. It was me 20 years ago. It's not me now.
The child is the only innocent one in all this.
I don't believe in violence as a solution to most problems, other than the guy's about to attack me problem, and I certainly don't believe that randomly spraying ordnance into a crowd of unarmed people is ever a moral thing to do, but, in the end, this woman who got shot was a cog in the corporate machine, she represents the machine, and her injury/death represents an attack on the machine.
The fact that "all Americans" aren't appalled by this is simply a reflection that not all Americans still believe the garbage that was rammed down their throats in the idiot factories they attended while young.
YES!
Nicely put.
It is not possible for any atom to be out of place. Therefore regardless of our WISH for reality to be otherwise, Reality is.
It is our Emotional Inability to accept reality that is the cause of Emotions and the interesting behavior that they compel.
Note: It is our inability to accept Reality that leads to Emotions.
That is a very concise definition of insanity.
And, yes, every single person is insane.
This is not a rational place, these are not rational beings, there is no logic or sense.
In a stricly physical/natural view, everybody is indeed insane, as emotional biases impair the acceptance of reality, and the non-acceptance of reality is what defines insanity.
Some people are just more 'insane' than others, and start shooting people randomly. They broke the social contract, so they are the only ones labelled 'insane' by the society and the medias.
No strange thoughts in there, only basic science.
Spot On
The collapse of ridiculious pensions is most certainly one of the more notable powder kegs. IMO it will likely lead to much division, hate, and violence between Americans.
Right on Bob. All you anti-gun pussies can relocate to Washington D.C. with the rest of the insecure pro-fascists that reside there.
You've got the guns, but I'm 'insecure'?
Buahahaha. Go buy more ammo and check those locks again, freak.
Wow, can you feel the love here?
If this thread escaped into space and our extraterrestrial judge and jury spent some time on it, I wonder if we'd finally get some cosmic justice.
They started it.
;)
Your idea that the aliens are any less fucked up than we may have no merit.
They may be MORE fucked up. But if they can GET HERE, they've certainly got better weapons that we do.
Whatever you do, don't ask for the Big Gun.
Great Sandi well said.++++10
Giffords is an Israel-firster. How can politicians put forth that Americans support Israel just because it's a "democracy in the Middle East"?
Israel is a terrorist state, sucking billions from America. We have few common values. For example, we have open borders Israel controls immigration, we have multi-culturallism while Israel is racist (even a jew and goyim cannot get married legally), etc.
One of the few things we do have in common is that the US and Israel are both run by Israel-firsters abusing America for Israel's benefit, protection, and expansion, but that's about it.
http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2011/01/crazy-sarah-from-alaska-poster-had-rep.html
AIPAC, Shoshana Cardin, got their two cents in on Fox this a.m.
The running commentary at the bottom of the screen says "this crime looks suspiciously Anti-semitic".
Couldn't be that her district was viewed as seeking to have more money transferred from producers to welfare recipients. Naw. It's because she is Jewish that she was targeted.
You go, Shoshana.
Glad to see others catch the propaganda. And of course, once they can attach the :anti-semitic" label to this event, it'll be used for everything from more "hate laws" to further support for terrorist Israel. Soon they will through anybody in jail that doesn't love abusive Israel. Israel-firsters are so full of hate for us Goyim it's sickening!
if he just stopped at the congresswoman, wasnt this just a jew on jew crime
Hey Israhole!!
Are you trolling from some place in Jerusalem? :) Havent seen you here for a while but I will remind everybody that you are a fake jew hater and your only reason for being on ZH is projecting false perception that this site has some anti-semitic content. I bet english isnt your first language : it should be throw not through you f***ng moron!!
Your handlers must be desperate to still be hiring you :)
Troll the fuck out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Busted. LOL !
Happened to hear Boehner on the news this morning saying that congress people have to continue to rob the people even tho things like this happen and may continue. (paraphrasing)
Yeah, ALL the Pols are using this tragedy to great advantage.
"See what happens when you get mad and yell at us for looting the country!! Now please stop critizing us and take it up the butt with a smile."... kinda paraphrasing there.
Libertarianism as a competing political philosophy is dangerous to TPTB in this country. Libertarianism is gaining favor over the philosophy of "control" being used by TPTB. It does not surprise me at all for TPTB to try and paint this individual and this event as connected to this "wierdo libertarian" philosophy. If TPTB weren't behind the incident to begin with they sure wouldn't mind using it to discredit a competing political philiosophy.
Count this to be true. If it's on the "news", it's a LIE. I spent an hour last night reading posts on this "incident". I have never seen so many sheep gobble up the "grain" the news channels feed them. I started to read ZH a year ago because I thought most folks were a cut above the average American dumb-ass. On financial issues yes. On "The Big Picture" not even close. Damn..... It's a Libertarian thing, a Democrat thing, a Republican thing. The media just LOVES you guys. I "choked down" 5 minutes of Fox News this morning. Right off the bat, it's a anti-Semitic thing. I solved the problem by hitting one simple button, "power".
This is a typicle governmental setup. Sacrifice a few people for the greater good (out of control government). View everything as a lie, because they ALL are.
I was thinking about the media treatment of the Reagan assassination attempt
this was the caption in WAPO
On March 30, 1981, a disturbed drifter fired six shots at President Ronald Reagan as he left the Washington Hilton
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2006/03/29/VI20060329...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/28/AR200603...
Mark Chapman drops into kneeling pistol shooting position and plugs Lennon with four (out of five) hollow points in rapid fashion. Perfect CIA training weapon usage.
Then sits down and starts reading "catcher in the rye" ........
very strange.....
Odd how Reagan was a non Harvard or Yale man. We have not had one in the White House since then. Maybe ex-CIA Poppy was still mad about the smack down he got in the NH primaries by Reagan.
Reagan was an actor.
clue.
The government has manufactured "enemies" abroad to justify our wars in other countries. It's only logical that they need to manufacture enemies within the country to justify everything that comes next. By creating the enemy to be a libertarian "gold nut", they can kill two birds with one stone.
Correct
What my initial gut told me too. Cable news coverage wants this to be THE story forever. All the other big news that was happening is instantly forgotten. Fox and CNN are setting this up for a what next? When JFK got shot in the head they just swore in the next president and swept everything under the rug. It's like they want to call in Dr. Phil and have an intervention with the American people to see what to do next. Regardless of the shooters motives the government is going to make up the entire story for us from beginning to end like they always do including ways to advance the homeland security and we can count on that. I'm sure Rahm has already called Obama with his patented advice: "Never let a crisis go to waste."
Totally on the money. Demonize the good guys... oldest trick in the book.
fast scrolling through the weekend's trollage mess, hoping for a bit of NON-party-san, un-im-FORMed opinion shaped by fucking TV - so disappointing to see how captured some of the posters here are - wasn't going to add anything, but your post & the replies following lent a bit of non-mouth-breathing room. . .
so I'll just say, why are people forming definite conclusions based solely on (conflicting!) reports available so soon after the event? why are some of you so narrowly focused? widen the lens to include more information, over time, and you may find a wider truth as well - unless narrow is your preference, of course.
if you've been hanging out at ZH for a while, you might KNOW this to be an ongoing truth. . . I'm still collecting pieces of this story around the 'net, and I'm not sure of the whole picture yet - and most likely will never have most of the details made available for me to assess, but I DO know that the corporate government that has captured this nationstate has a recognisable agenda, and that this event is most likely going to be used to further that agenda, irrespective of whether the "gov't" is behind the event - okay? it WILL use this to push something forward towards the eventual goals - remember, they never let a good crisis go to waste.
so WATCH what the magician's OTHER hand will be pushing relative to laws & restrictions over the coming weeks - there's your tell.
also, I found this of interest, and I'm capable of holding it as a piece of information that may or may not be a puzzle piece over time:
http://tinyurl.com/23oxd5g
(it's from the Wall Street Journal, FYI)
this may or may not be an important piece of information going forward, but we know how snippets get rewritten & left out of the narrative, post-"traumatic event" right?)
if you truly study history, you already know that it's not the event, it's the agenda, the outcome, that's worth most scrutiny.
there a killer on the loose, secure all the supermarkets .....QUICKLY !
So here is the photo of the 'possible' accomplice.
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_51bb5006-1bd6-11e0-9fec-001cc4c0...
That is clearly Bill Maher.
Too funny. Yeah, Bill Maher with a little black shoe polish to the hair. I see it! So it IS a left wing conspiracy.
according to FDL it's Sarah
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2011/01/08/sarah-palins-hit-list/
I'm gonna disagree with FDL. That is Maher's signature nose. Besides, Sarah would have shot from a helicopter -- so no, not buying it.
New worst thread ever.
Flame wars are good for the soul. This next week will be calmer for it.
Did you want to spend all seven days talking about why the market will go up regardless of any numbers, good or bad? Really?
This is an unreal display of people's core 'values'. There are thousands of posts attempting to ramrod their political views (which are 110% correct, naturally) on the other poster.
I tried to post yesterday that I don't like Krugman but that I thought the Tea Baggers and the Republicans were going too far in fanning the rhetoric flames on the ignorant. I basically just said that the Congresswoman (amongst others) didn't deserve to be shot in the head.
49 junks...
Okay...I can't resist....
So, that begs the question, "Where did she deserve to be shot?"
I denounce myself.
You need to learn when to use quotation marks and when not to.
I was more worried about whether I should use a colon, or not.
I hear you, Mr. B.
I'm not:
-> Democrat
-> Republican
-> Green
-> Libertarian
So I guess that makes me worthless. This thread is so demoralizing - in a very trivial, inconsequential way. I think political/economic/religious agnostics have very little place in today's world. :(
"today's world" is not all that appealing, have to agree.
I'm none of your list as well, and inconsequential trivia with a troll topping is definitely taking hold here. . . the fact that so many talk about what they're seeing on TeeVee is telling, IMHO.
and yes, opinions------>assholes------->ubiquitous.
True.
Everyone needs to relax and let Glenn Beck 'deep dive' the situation and spoon feed you what the motive was, who was involved, why it has to do with liberals, how this wouldn't have happened under conservative 'leadership', and why his Goldline sponsorship wasn't his effort to cornhole people out of money.
For the exact opposite arguement, tune into Olberman.
You only have to make it one more day before you can have your opinions delivered to you. Hang in there!
You're spot on with that.
The NYT has a typically pathetic front-page piece today on the level of vitriol in politics. Lots of talk of the Tea Party, natch, but just a single mention of the man on whose shoulders the situation squarely rests - Barack Obama. Obama has intentionally (the "I mis-spoke" defense don't work when you read everything from the 'prompter) fanned the flames for 2 years with all his militaristic hand-to-hand-combat...they-bring-a-knife-I-bring-a-gun-etc rhetoric, with his ramming unpopular policies down the throats of the unwilling citizens he in theory works for. He may wind up with a war, and it may be civil. I'm convinced more and more that this fool will wind up being regarded as one of the weakest US Presidents ever...
Obama as "weakest US Presidents ever", are you kidding? Looting under his watch has surpassed even Bush. His legacy may read 'Biggest crook in history.'
Full disclosure: I think both parties suck and are puppets to the Corporate Fascists.
+1
No one ever says anything about Obama except nice things. He is totally off limits with all the news media.
AZ Assassin and Mind Control:
http://www.infowars.com/arizona-assassin-obsessed-with-mind-control/
I've seen it all now. Every type of looney has come out today to push their own particular brand of bias, politics or hate. Right wing, left wing....whatever wing.
Totaly stupidity.I have never seen so much crap and spite spewed out. Talk about turning ZH into a toilet.
They guy is a nut case, he would have used any rationale he could find handy to justify in his addled mind to go shoot somebody. He is not representative of any ideology, he representive of people with severe mental illness.
And his reading list as a 21 year old is not unusual. Goodness when I was 30 odd years younger I and others used to read Machiavelli, Egar Alan Poe, Sharespear, Rand, Mein Kampf, Neitschke and anything that was different from the norm.
And I'm on no side of the poltical divide, in fact I reckon this black and white left and right divide is full of shit and I am surprised that anyone on ZH still thinks in those terms.
Seriously. Half of his preferred readings are on the reading list for our homeschool curriculum.
http://angelicum.net/great-books-program/great-books-readings/
unless he's junking you for spelling not sure why you got a demerit?
It's unreal. I wouldn't have expected it either.
ZH has been merged with the Yahoo message boards.
LOL, my thoughts exactly
It's important to have and to preach libertarian principles otherwise when this joke of a system collapses we'll just get the same thing we had or worse. Just because the whole system is run by corrupt republicans and democrats who are basically the same in all the important areas in no way makes this ridiculous liberal entitlement "rob peter to pay paul" mentality acceptable in any way shape or form. That is a battle that still needs to be continually fought.
Libertarian is the answer. God, why didn't you just say so?
No you're right we should all pay 60% tax so people can get everything for free and be incentivized to do nothing. I'm sorry I've seen the error in my ways.
I said you were 110% correct. That's not good enough? OK, you're 120% correct.
Sarcasm isn't helping you, bitch-of-the-state.
No you're right we should all pay 60% tax so people can get everything for free and be incentivized to do nothing. I'm sorry I've seen the error in my ways.
Earth to all the fucktards that are trying to paint this guy as a "right wing" or libertarian gold bug and gun nut.... THERE IS A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS A T YPICAL PUSSY LIBERAL: http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelo...
Amazing...he's not only a liberal but a pussy also. Or, better said...a typical pussy liberal. The evidence is just overwhelming. You can't deny it.
Well I have lurked here for a long time and this is the first time I feel compelled to actually comment.
So I have this to say to the US of A:
Even though I am far away, and I am not American, I am hurt that this has happened. I know that you, the USA, can come together to get over this.
A politician who would take the time - actually make the time - to put out a stall and meet their constituents is - seriously - a rare thing .
And I don't think that is a bad thing. At least she was trying to reach out instead of retreating into the machine.
I do not care if she was R or D or Independent. She showed a bit of face and that is a damn sight more than you would get with a lot of others.
Please stop the partisan bullshit that each side is trying to colour the issue with.
I am watching this unfold on UK TV, and it makes me feel sick the way you guys are biting each others balls and trying to win points against the other "team".
End Of.
I apologize, in advance, for the tremendous hillbilly mobbing you're going to get.
Are we on Yahoo Q/A, or on Zerohedge? Seriously.
This type of emotional, feminine comments do not have their place on a libertarian financial website frequented by high-testosterone young males.
Exibit A.
Is that a new rap artist?
Or did you misspell "exhibit"?
I'm ruined...my family name is forever soiled by inadvertent typo on chat board. Forgive me father...
People would be more lenient towards you if you didn't insult them by calling them "hillbillies".
Now THAT was freakin funny. It took 4 minutes to prove your point.
Scary too...
Stop attacking people! You are a woman trapped in a man's body and nobody here is blaming you.
@twinshot
I get and appreciate your concern and comment. It's not supposed to be happening in the US, but it is. There's a long history of the gun suddenly shattering the calm and changing the course of US history. There have been many presidential assassinations. For those of us who remember, the last time this happened it unleashed 2 decades of violence and turmoil that harmed the country and cost it dearly in domestic self-respect and international respect.
People who were not born here have no idea what a violent and lawless place the US can quickly become. New York city today is as safe as Disney World but was once so unsafe tourists didn't dare come and citizens lived in terror.
Please children - stop fighting and finish your gruel.
This sums up my thoughts pretty well.
Fox News just reported we are flying the flag at half staff. Politicians are coming out and and telling America we need to completely reevaluate ourselves because we are so bad and fucked up. Homeland Security is getting cranked up. This might have been THE event everyone's been waiting for. I would have expected something bigger but the youngest prettiest congress who was a very likable women getting murdered (attempted) in broad daylight does go a long way in shock value. If it would have been Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi no one would have even given a shit or shed a tear. People are very pissed off and sad that this woman has been shot and truthfully no one can say otherwise. This was THE event....or one of them.
Do you think that Mr. C will be consulting on the use of enhanced security measures at public venues, the way he was able to consult on/influence the use of scanners at airports post/pre the Xmas underwear incident?
http://bit.ly/gK8veL
(be sure to clear your cookies after visiting his site)
"This was THE event....or one of them." Chilling thought. The expansion of power of the TSA goons has been absolutely unreal when they didn't have a reason. Now what?
Anyone see the Jared Loughner You Tube video (which was taken down)? He's hooded and masked, holding a US Flag, barely moves and it's all to lyrics shouting "the bodies will fall" . Not a liberal, dudes.
http://goo.gl/fb/lVQ5O
I'm sorry. I didn't see anything in this video related to this kid. It's all bullshit! I wouldn't be surprised if all this "info" was slipped into the net within the last 24 hours.
I'm just re-posting what's out there. That's what America and the world are seeing.
Not a part of the original YouTube site postings earlier today. I was surprised to see it added to the site when I visited it after you posted this. If you watch the other videos it does not fit in with what are basically piss-poor powerpoint presentations put to music. Site getting modified by hackers from somewhere.
"hooded and masked" eh? was he fingerprinted?
Surrounded by uneducated lunatics I am I am. From what I see alost no-one reads any source material and most for their world-view from reading other people's synopsis. Not a good idea in this age as most to all thoses synopses are spun to support one preversion or another. For example, Adam Smith's meaning of "free" markets is one where every person has access without paying rent. Antithetical to the modern system where to get access you need to pay tribute to the banks. Free does not mean no regulation. It means no rentiers and if the regulations prohibit the banks and other gatekeepers from collecting rents then they are in the service of"free" markets. Now of course all our regulations are exactly the oposite but that is a different arguement.
Does anyone have any links to eyewitness testimony? Seems like a lot of bullets flying all over the place.
Sounds a lot like the Ft. Hood shooting, actually, when a handful of shooters was quickly reduced to one lunatic standing on a table hollering about Islam.
Only this guy is hollering about the gold standard and the Fed.
Seems like, at least indirectly, a psy-op directed against ZeroHedge itself.
It's also more than a little coincidental that the Congressperson chaired the space exploration committee, which is being gutted right now.
Funny that the only part of her website that is down deals with this aspect of her job:
http://science.house.gov/subcommittee/space.aspx
LOTS more to this than meets the eye - the judge, the little girl (grandaughter of Dallas Green and born on 9/11)...
do you have a link on the info about the girl?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-0110-gabrielle-giff...
thanks
... and died on 1/8/11
BTW, this sheriff seems to think that claiming AZ has become a mecca for racism and bigotry somehow contributes positively to the discussion - all the while moaning about the "heated rhetoric on the right".
So, in other words, he's part of the problem.
Why didn't your mass medias talk about this?
In my humble opinion, it is far worse and horrible than a gun shooting.
MASS GENOCIDE IN RWANDA, PEOPLE BURNT ALIVE (February 2010)
Very shocking and disgusting pictures, do not watch them if you have something in your stomach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70KpPL62PkU
The level of utter wickedness mankind is capable of directing towards himself is.......I don't know of an appropiate word that truly covers it.
Look at the kind of hatred being spewed on this thread. Sometimes deep hatred leads to that which is in the Rwanda video.
I recently watched a documentary on Genocide. Talk about staring into the abyss.
Genocide: Worse Than Warhttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/genocide-worse-than-war/
Yes it's very important that the powers that be maintain a monopoly on violence.
Things that government should own to make slaves.
Respect- Monopolize respect through legitimization.
Trust- Monopolize trust by giving them no place to turn for answers except you. Don't like the taste of colgate. Tough bitch it's all we sell.
Violence- Nothing makes you more confident and more secure than destroying all who oppose you.
Food-Some guy isn't making your food. An organized gang is. Big business at it's finest.
Clothing- Go to the Gap.
Shelter- You're going to have to visit a bank for this.
I'm not inciting violence, encouraging violence or saying it's the only way. It's a two layer attack. Lies and violence. If the lies don't work then violence wil be used. As long as you think it's wrong then they've removed one of your problem solving and resolving skills leaving you with nothing to fall back on but lies. Turning you into a cowardly liar that benefits them.
Question question question. Until you can defeat them logically. Then prepare for and expect violence to be used against you. Do not go into this with the situational awereness of belief and how things should be. Go in it will full understanding of how things work and why. Hurt people until you can threaten them with violence and get them to do what you want. Keep hurting them if they resist too much. This is their juice and it's what they like to drink. They won't settle for any other kind of refreshment.
Good points Hephasteus.
TPTB have a history of inciting hatred amongst people to ultimately do their bidding of destroying a certain group that stands in the way. Tolerance is thrown out the window and Genocide ensues.
THIS.
(to both posts)
every single war, whether declared by a nationstate or a "mob" of "believers" is human on human - the first step is de-humanise the "enemy" - oldest trick in the book (of control).
Rowanda genocide? They were being burned for being suspected witches.
I'm pretty sure most people here know that MSM is a crock. Are you saying that most people here are not aware?
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This Sheriff was a fucktwad who pretty much accused the teapart before he found anything out. I can not believe they are blaming Sarah Palin for this tragedy. Liberals really want her gone real bad. Do they forget someone commited arson against her church right before Christmas of 2008? If she has a Presidential run, she will need double the protection most politicians get. Sarah Palin is better than most Republicans, she spoke out against the FED and the Ben Bernank.
i lol'd
The main shooter was 1 of 2 subscribers (Classitup10) to Gifford's Youtube channel:
Lower left
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2
Wow !
What's that old saying "Nothing happens by Accident" ?
Subscriber or subscription? In her profile, it shows 155 subscribers. Classitup10 and RepIkeSkelton show as subscriptions.
Anybody know what the difference is?
what the hell, she subscribed to his channel?
It certainly seems that way. Curiouser and curiouser...
That is very interesting, she would have had to suscribe to his channel on her own initiative. Why would a congresswoman subscribe to a youtube channel like that?? Her only other subscription is another congressmans.
No, she's subscribed to the one that has all of his videos, not just the flag one that he favorite'd.
Weird. Someone else must have logged on and added that sub. It shows last log in as 13 hours ago. I'm pretty sure she wasn't updating her channel at that point in time.
Which brings the question-when did her account subscribe to his??If it was done after the incident, why the hell would someone with access to her account subscribe to his?And if it was done before the incident, then there is much more than meets the eye here.
Is there a way to see a google cache by date?
I have no idea, not very computer literate. Can any computer whizzes help?
Well how about this - how come his youtube page is STILL up and functioning but his facebook, myspace and the daily kos stuff was scrubed? Very suspcious isn't it?
To clarify-she has 160 people who have come to her Youtube account and subscribed to it. At some point in time, to be subscribed to classitup10, she would have had to visit his Youtube account and subscribe to it.
Tyler
Are you aware there is an ZH member who - after the shooting yesterday - deleted all of his posts from yesterday to several weeks back? I stopped counting after 20 or so. He was doing it from 2pm to 6pm ET.
CJ
Noticed that myself.
google cache will have a record
How did you notice this?
(jumping in here)
you guys doing the background forensics make me glad I persevered to the end of the thread.
thank you!
How many "mundanes" were murdered by agents of the state in the past year?
How many of them are household names?
How many politicians had press releases expressing sympathy for their families and condemnation of the perpetrators?
Oscar Grant was also a human being, was he not?
Is the absurdity of the sanctimonious decrying of violent acts by men who hold a monopoly on the use of coercive violence (and use it every day) something no one else sees?
Government is violence. It is the coin of it's realm.
“In spite of the unceasing efforts made by men in power to conceal this and to ascribe a different meaning to power, power is the application of a rope, a chain by which a person will be bound and dragged along, or of a whip, with which he will be flogged, or of a knife, or an ax with which they will cut off his hands, feet, ears, head—an application of these means or the threat they will be used. Thus it was in the time of Nero and of Ghenghis Khan and thus it is even now, in the most liberal of governments.” Leo Tolstoy
I am shocked to see so many lunatics coming out of the wood works of ZH; like a bunch cock roaches. This will be my last post on this site and my the last time I visit the site. America is a beautiful place, filled with opportunity for everyone. Opportunity is afforded to those who understand the difference between right and wrong, evil and good and furthermore make decisions in their lives that are right and good. ZH on the other hand is proving to be a cesspool, filled with hatred and misguided ideology that quite frankly has no place in our society. The positive thing is that sites like this will wither, dry up and go away over time, as their true intent becomes more visible. Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves. I'm making a choice today to surround myself with optimism, belief in good and opportunity. God bless America! See ya, you bunch of loosers.
I think you meant to say losers
whatever... you may want to try HuffPo, they are a positive and caring group, this is their current front page
http://oi53.tinypic.com/2zyho3a.jpg
of course the problem with a comment like the one you made is that you can't repsond as you are obviously not reading this
Yeah, If Andrew Jackson were elected President today, this first thing he would do is newk the Fed Reserve, then he would challenge the entire District of Columbia to a Duel, and win.
If Gen Ripper were here, he would have withheld the recall code, and sent his bombers over Washington. "There is no fighting in the War Room.." Dr Strangelove
see the post a few days ago about fluoridation of america's drinking water.
and keep your wacky religions out of my republic, kthx.
Good luck. When the shit hits the fan I hope you can feed your family with your optimism.