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PIMCO: +$50 Million; Morgan Stanley: -$50 Million

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It just has not been Morgan Stanley's year: first the bank's prop desk got decimated by the massive tightening in MBIA CDS (previously discussed here), and then, as noted last week, the firm's rates desk got creamed by a massively wrong bet on 30s - 5s TIPS breakevens (courtesy of another ex-master of the universe who realized the hard way that things are not quite as profitable when you move away from being God's right hand guy). We previously broke down the details of the trade, and the only open question was: qui bonoed? Courtesy of the WSJ we can now close the file on that one. The firm, which as so often happens to be the case, that took Morgan Stanley to the cleaners is the one true rates behemoth, PIMCO, which sooner or later, always gets it pay day. Bottom line: "Pimco made about $50 million from its trade over several months." Perhaps prop trading really should be banned to protect banks, if not from their stupidity, then certainly from their hubris.

Some more details from the WSJ:

The bond powerhouse, a unit of Allianz SE (ALV.XE), scored gains of about $50 million on an inflation-related trade, according to people familiar with the matter. Morgan Stanley, meanwhile, suffered tens of millions of dollars in losses on an opposing trade and related moves, according to another person familiar with the matter.

After joining Morgan Stanley, Mr. Hadden put out word that his firm was determined to become a more-active bond player, according to two investors in contact with Mr. Hadden's team. They placed a trade reflecting a view that investors' expectations of inflation over the next 30 years were too high, while predictions for inflation over the next few years were too low, traders say. They began to "short"--or bet against--30-year TIPS, expecting long-term inflation to be muted, traders said. They also bought "nominal" 30- year Treasury securities, or bonds not protected against inflation.

This two-part trading move ensured their trade would rise and fall solely on changing long-term inflation expectations rather than other factors that drive prices of all bonds, including TIPS.

At first, the Morgan Stanley trade worked. Mr. Hadden made it clear to investors that Morgan Stanley was going to stick with its positions, and even add to them, traders say. When investors asked to buy 30-year TIPS, Morgan Stanley offered to sell investors even more of these bonds, these traders say. Morgan Stanley also recommended clients bet against 30-year TIPS, arguing it was the best move for those wishing to wager against bonds, according to a hedge-fund manager who received the pitch.

"It was a well-telegraphed trade" by Morgan Stanley, says Keith Price, head of U.S. inflation trading at BNP Paribas.

Like other traders, Pimco's team, headed by Mihir Worah, became aware of what Morgan Stanley was up to. As Morgan Stanley continued selling 30-year TIPS, Pimco bought even more of these bonds in the market, the people say. Meanwhile, Pimco's buying enabled Morgan Stanley to add to its own short position, traders say.

The standoff came to a head in the middle of June, as demand for 30- year TIPS grew. Some rivals say they came to a conclusion: Mr. Hadden's team, under pressure as prices of TIPS rose, would start exiting from its trade, probably by buying a big chunk of 30-year TIPS at an auction on June 23. Rivals decided to make strong bids in the auction, traders say. Pimco also decided to bid aggressively, to ensure it could get its hands on these bonds. The auction of $7 billion of 30-year TIPS resulted in a record amount of bids in relation to the auction size; Pimco succeeded in buying several billion dollars of the bonds, according to a person close to the matter.

It is as of now unclear just where the formerly amazing Mr. Hadden will go next if his masters end up being displeased with his performance of ~($50) million in six months.

In the meantime, the recent blow out in the USGGBE30 - USGGBE05 has served as a very appetizing entry point to those who wish to be the next Morgan Stanley, as expected: "What is ironic is that everyone and their grandmother will now slowly bleed MS' team to death as it is forced to unwind the spread, only to immediately put the compression trade back on, at which point the 30Y - 5Y will resume its tightening bias.... "

Well, when all else fails, there's always Jefferies, which will be a bulge bracket boutique, pardon, bank, any... minute.... now.

h/t London Dude

 

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Tue, 07/05/2011 - 09:51 | 1426314 Thomas
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Janus owned the tech world too. That was the problem--they moved the market, which rendered them illiquid.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:11 | 1426346 idea_hamster
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Janus will be fine since they can now state in every mutual fund prospectus a 100% guaratee that each investor will receive a skittle-crapping unicorn:

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/janus-capital-group-inc-v-fir...

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:13 | 1426315 SheepDog-One
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Why doesnt Morgan Stanley just buy better algochurning-bots?

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 09:54 | 1426317 tallen
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Zero sum game bitches

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 09:55 | 1426319 RobotTrader
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Both firms should have stayed out of fixed income and just piled everything into LULU, FOSL, CMG, NFLX, etc. all up again today and trading at world record highs.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 09:59 | 1426326 qussl3
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And how the toot would they have gotten out?

LULU at 10000 would have been good for lulz tho.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:17 | 1426363 SheepDog-One
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Momo doesnt care about how 100 P/E holders will get out when theres no one to dump to at even half the price, hes just fascinated with shiny baubles, like a raccoon.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:03 | 1426336 Internet Tough Guy
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Momo, did you fade yourself? LOL

Gold and Silver collapsing like a cheap suit, KWN in shock
RobotTrader - Fri, Jul 1, 2011 - 08:36 AM

Wow, one day after "Gold to 10,000!" by Peter Schiff, the Cartel comes out bats a swinging!

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:09 | 1426344 RobotTrader
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A good day for PM's today, after getting slaughtered last week.

You should have heard Bill Murphy wailing and screaming about the "blatant manipulation" and "orchestrated takedown".

Maybe General Jim can post something other than photos of his dogs, goats, and chickens today.

Perhaps a picture of Casey Anthony with a gold necklace??

LOL....

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:14 | 1426353 SheepDog-One
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Gold still sitting at all time high level, yet was recently 'slaughtered'?

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:16 | 1426357 Internet Tough Guy
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Gold was slaughtered last week but is back where it was in one day? How slaughtered is that momo? LOL

Here are the fundamentals: Investors are buying stocks and dumping gold
RobotTrader - Fri, Jul 1, 2011 - 10:17 AM

As you can see, gold is now in a full fledged crash in most foreign currencies:

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 11:53 | 1426629 malikai
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Perhaps Casey Anthony with a pearl necklace.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:20 | 1426373 SheepDog-One
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MomoFader faded himself...LOL!

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 13:37 | 1427040 Richard Head
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You are the stupidest fuck with comments like this.  Sure, PIMCO should have stayed out of fixed income.  Jeezus.   

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:02 | 1426332 buzzsaw99
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TIPS, the most manipulated bond price there is. Mr. Hadden is a genius, his bonus will doubtless be huge.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:10 | 1426345 Mercury
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...just wait until the CPI gets a makeover.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 11:00 | 1426498 buzzsaw99
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the umpteenth time?

lololololololololol

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:08 | 1426342 Mercury
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...and the only open question was: qui bonoed?

Unless this is a reference to the U2 front man's financial blunderings I think it would be: qui bene?

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:16 | 1426356 PaperBear
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I just exchanged some toilet paper for some more physical silver - WOOHOO.

Waiting patiently for the transfer of stolen wealth to the silver liberation army to recommence.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:16 | 1426361 PaperBear
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This was a righteous transfer of stolen wealth fom MS to PIMCO.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 12:50 | 1426807 hamurobby
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Its getting harder to find victims, so maybe now they start eating each other.

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:43 | 1426447 HITMAN56
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TD..great comments on Jefferies...oh so true

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 11:10 | 1426515 Downtoolong
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What is ironic is that everyone and their grandmother will now slowly bleed MS' team to death as it is forced to unwind the spread

 

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