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PIMCO and Zero Hedge?
In an article titled "The dumb money is buying equities" dated August 17, 2009, City Wire's Charlie Parker writes:
Please understand me, if you are a buyer of equities at the moment then I am not calling you stupid.
I am just saying that you are acting with the stupid. In fact, it is not really me that is saying this, but Pimco.
The mammoth US fixed income operation, which is most famous for
bringing investor Bill Gross to the world, also offers a prolific
blogging service from its fund managers. The service, called 'Zero
hedge', comes with the rather unnerving catchphrase 'On a long enough
timescale the survival rate for everyone drops to zero'. Anyway.
Here at Zero Hedge we routinely field questions about our backing, our contributors and staff, their backgrounds and their identities. Obviously, and though we try to be polite, we generally tell the press to go pound salt on this topic.
We don't discuss the identities of individual or collective contributor or staff names on Zero Hedge. Period. The content we publish here either stands on its own merits or not.
Tyler Durden and Zero Hedge are not any one person. No Zero Hedge, staffer, author or contributor is an island. In fact, as we point out in our manifesto:
The author is nothing.
The content is everything.
If more mainstream media outlets had paid attention to this mantra, they might not be in the grips of a painful, secular decline today.
While we are quite strict on the topic as an organization, we do not impose our reticence with respect to the press on our authors and contributors. Individual authors, staff and contributors are free to say whatever they like to the press if and when they are contacted- with some exceptions. The identities of other contributors or members of the Zero Hedge team, for example, are strictly off limits.
Disagreements over facts and opinions should be carried out on the basis of factual interpretation, not based on extrapolation of a priori assumptions about the bias of an author, which traditionally and nearly universally, devolves into ad hominem attacks.
Where gossipy allegations like "Hank Paulson is Tyler Durden" or "Michael Milken is Tyler Durden" crop up, all we can do is shake our heads, smile thinly and post the article on our front page for you to peruse.
As we continue to grow, we expect more and more of these. The price of popularity, we suppose.
All this aside, we are a grassroots organization. While we may or may not, in fact, have PIMCO managers as contributors or staff, even if we did know that for sure, we certainly wouldn't comment on it here.
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Hi Hank, lol!
We are all Tyler Durden.
Not only that; some of us are cheeky
and some of us are bastards...
but there's only one cheeky bastard...:)
Bite Me, Bernanke!
TD is Alan Greenspan.
Greenspan wrecked the system. He just did it from the inside. Hes teaching us a lesson to never leave the gold standard again.
ZH, you guys hiring?
But seriously, how do you grow and remain anonymous at the same time?
zh uses the Al Kiida, sell model.
We are all Joe Sixpack, too!
Don't forget about WallStreetPro!
I dont own a bat. Id have to use golf clubs =\
I second the motion. It doesn't matter who or what Zero Hedge is or isn't, only that truth is publicly spoken to power.
While it's difficult to determine exactly what's the truth lately, it's far easier to see the lies. While I don't always understand the market geek spoken here, I do recognize the truth.
sleazy linking practices; borderline fraud ..http://www..
hat tip: gay porn and deceitful, slimy operators
TD, Marla, Hank, Timmy,
Could you please, for the love of all that is good and spectacular, filter comments to prevent off topic comments posted by this guy? He keeps changing handles but if you filter for links to www.iamned.com, Bob should be your uncle!
Second that.
He forgot that TD is Mark Cuban...that's why I joined...??????
It has already been revealed that Tyler Durden is Tucker Max.
Lmao. TD is obviously Tucker Max. Gotta love that Tucker Max Death Mix: Everclear, powerade and redbull.
I like your ideas and thoughts. by chat Greetigns..
WAIT, WHAT ????
If the US economy were the Iranian political system, PIMCO in my opinion would be Rafsanjani.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar_Hashemi_Rafsanjani
Alas, anyone listening to you on Max Keiser, would be forced to conclude that you are neither hank paulson, or michael milken.
Amusingly, you did sound very much like my zada....
right because if he was hank paulson, there is no way he would use a voice double for a phoned in interview....
Everyone has an axe to grind, ZH included. ZH, (to my chagrin), has definitely lost the lone rogue flavor and independence displayed on the original blogspot. Still an outstanding site though. I would argue one of the best...
i called it a few weeks ago....that TD is not one person...there are many folks that post under many and sometimes the same names...
what an awesome collection of patriots that are trying to have the most impact without jeopardizing their access to information or credibility if we knew who they were and had preconceived notions about them...
WHY the EFF is todays market slowly climbing up ...the DOW already recouped half of yesterdays loss which was warranted.
Zero Hedge works for PIMCO huh? Now it's all starting to make sense... and PIMCO works for the CIA! Very clever Tyler Durden, very clever...
I thought Tyler on Max Keiser sounded like Ben Afflick... joke!!
Is there anything Bill Gross doesn't take credit for?
He did invent the internet, didn't he?
I remember the interview where he said, "the market is so mean to me I had to go home and rest--WAAAAAAAAAAA!!
I'm serious...........
I don't think he took credit for my wife getting pregnant.
Let me get this straight, your argument against possible conflict of interest and manipulation is "The author is nothing. The content is everything."? Sorry, but that's patently ridiculous. I've been a reader for months now, but if in fact the majority of authors/reviewers/publishers of this blog are employees of any one institution, and there is no disclosure of such, then that is a serious problem. Sadly, I'm finding it harder and harder to be an informed consumer of information anymore.
Devil's Advocate
"Granted, Mr. Levitt (what the hell?!?, levitt's handle is supposed to have a line through it) ZeroHedge does not disclose these conflicts of interest in his piece - perhaps the information would be seen in a slightly different light were that to be the case."
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/levitt-advisor-goldman-and-getco-voices-against-hft
Question everything
Don't believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear. It's like what my painter friend Donald said to me, "stick a fork in their....."
It would be interesting if PIMCO fund managers were actually writers for ZH... that would take some balls to deviate from Pimco's talking points if you actually worked for them.... but I doubt ZH would need us to 'click the ads' if PIMCO was a silent sponsor of this blog because it would be fully funded by PIMCO to spread the company mantra... it doesn't feel that way to me. But whoever writes on this blog knows alot about alot. And finally, I don't know if PIMCO would appreciate Marla's music like we do...
This crap never stops! I thought I read that at one time reporters/writers/authors did fact checking. I find this symptomatic of everything wrong with the current condition of our illustrious media. I guess retractions are easier than research.
Yellow Journalism sells
Hearst is smiling somewhere in hell
"As we continue to grow, we expect more and more of these."
as long as the quality doesn't suffer !
Keep up the good work.
hmmmm, a non-denial denial. very interesting.
LOL. What a hoot. Unless, of course, TD really IS Bill Gross.
In that case, congrats on your Newport Beach 23M tear down...
PIMCO? Bill Gross is the most self serving person I've ever heard quoted in this business. You seem to be the opposite. It blows me away how mainstream media continues to marginalize itself.
We are the market monkeys who long ago decided to stop dancing to the organ grinders tune. Personally, I like to piss from the trees as the sheeple walk by...hee hee; they think it is rain....
so.. is anyone going to question this guys source? why would he assume this
Tyler Durden is Tyler Durden.
.
It's not timescale; it's timeline..... There's the difference. At least copy it correctly.
shit....beat by a minute. story of my life.
either that or mil is a high frequency wordsmith.
Gravity is a myth; the earth sucks. Another fact wrapped in the warm embrace of truthiness.
I don't care who is behind this site, how it's funded, who is listening, or what's behind door number three. But the obsessive attention to content and distrust of all MSM reporting is refreshing.
I'll do my own thinking, thank you very muchly!
City Wire can't even get the catchphrase correct: "On a long enough timescale the survival rate for everyone drops to zero"
do i get points for this or what TD?
/ way too much time on my hands
Pah!
The "Zero Hedge Conspiracy" won't be uncovered by Citywire, no way, no how.
The *true* details won't be known until Zero Hedge appears on http://www.rense.com
Bill Gross = High Talker. Uses voice modulator used in the movie "Saw" when speaking as TD.
Sounds like someone is out to get you. Don't let it happen! Good analytical information is hard to come by these days. I don't care if the devil himself is writing this blog. If it makes sense, who cares. TD don't let the men take you down.
So, who is going to request the retraction first? I would expect it be ZH as being associated with PIMCO is far worse than ZH with the bond bombers. Now, given TD's extensive credit summaries that only Gross could understand, maybe there is something here?
Haha what a bunch of idiots
let's put on the thinking cap and realize that pimpco wouldnt be served by exposing political graft and corruption. alan greenspan works for them, for pete's sake.
i dont agree with every viewpoint here, just some of them. but i'm glad they can and will keep doing what they're doing. it's necessary, even if ... "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose".
Tyler, thank you for setting straight the membership of the club.
vcd
Knight
Btw 79/80 is like a rubber band on USDX, so far sice the breakdown anyway
The msm is the propaganda arm of the fascist regime.
The msm is the propaganda arm of the fascist regime.
OK, after running a sound analysis comparing the voice of the man from the Max Keiser interview and Mohammad El-Erian, i can say that TD is NOT Mohammad El-Erian.
that was funny you made me laugh again, thanks.
Fight club would take PIMCO and Paulson. What a great way to redeem yourself if you knew you were caught up in something larger than yourself, that you had a hand in creating, that did so much damage.
Folks are drawn to this blog because they want a taste of what this staff is living as they create the synergy that is this blog. They are working for something they believe in. Right there-- Wow! Chances are good they have decent relationships with each other (hope so). They obviously have an outlet for their creativity. Finances may be rough, don't know, but the kinds of things I just listed are the very things we are selling our souls for so that the finances won't be rough. Literally.
If you let it, the whole concept is a nice mind fuck, just slip it on in there and move it around. We are all permeable identities. We always were. The identity is the container that both enables and limits what is possible. The identity is something we become enslaved to. So enslaved that we get hung up on earning money instead of being good stewards for our planet, our community, our families, and our selves. Isn't that what went wrong here?
I don't want to put you fuckers on a pedestal. Then I'd need to kill you, see (my avatar has a gun) pedestals are part of the problem. But I do want to share with you that there is a wonderful spirit about this place which is contagious.
I don't need to know you to feel you. I don't need to always agree with you to see where the heart is. Thanks for what you do. You give me hope.
Even if you are PIMCO hedgefund managers...
Haha. People are getting pissed off because the market for bullshit is drying up.
Don't joke around. This is serious. All we got left is bullshit, you know, the rest of our manufacturing base was sent overseas. The US economy is built on bullshit now, bullshit is our single biggest employer, and without a market for our bullshit the American household is going to suffer. So you better start buying the bullshit, brother, or else you're a communist.
cougar
I too deplore ad hominem comments, such as, "mine's bigger than yours" or it's financial equivalent, "I have more money than you".
this highlights everything that's wrong with the mainstream media. Some idiot reads a ZH story where you excerpt or quote PIMCO, and he misinterprets that as ZH being a PIMCO Blog... sadly, the MSM analyzes data with the same attention span
That was an impostor on Max Keiser, not Tyler Durden.
ZH affiliated with PIMCO? that would explain all the crappy market calls
DJIA 6,000 here we come!
Tyler, how is your stamp collection?
TD, I heard you on Max Kaiser and now I know who you are. YOU my friend are Mohammed El-Erian.
After examining all the facts I have come to the conclusion that TD is actually Max Power - the man with the name you musn't touch.
Zerohedge is a consciousness, not an individual(s).
my guess is that tyler is michael lewis. everything fits: the eloquence, the wit, the cynicism, and the bankroll!
Everyone has an axe to grind. Everyone is talking their book. It could be personal; it could be financial: there is always something that forms the writer's bias. It is helpful if the writer discloses it upfront. Otherwise, you have to discern it.
I am Spartacus
I am Spartacus
I come to Zero for all the love, praise, kindness, understanding, tolerance, truth, patience, and forgiveness of the commentors. Someday I hope to benefit from your sage, amass my life savings, total of which wouldn't pay some of your dinner tabs, and retire.
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lol
I could never understand why any Mom would name her baby, Tyler Durden -- It now make sense...
It's kind of like TARP - Troubled Asset Relief Program -- each letter has a meaning. Now if we could only figure out what T.y.l.e.r. D.u.r.d.e.n. means...
I think Tyler Durden means "To wake everybody the fuck up". That's what it means.
I think Tyler Durden means "To wake everybody the fuck up". That's what it means.
Might be Jesse Livermore back from the grave...
Fact is that there are no secrets.
Tyler Durden is John Galt... residing happily in Galts Gulch.
his name is robert paulson!..his name is robert paulson
if this market is not a total scam for every prop trader that isn't running a bb or hft algo i dont know what is.
Goldman and Bank of Amerika run the markets along with Geithner, and beagle boy Ben. There is no free markets, only welfare capitalism and socialism for capitalism.
good articles; good articles 4 slow news day ..http://www..
hat tip: finance news & finance opinions
".....follow the money!"
Remember that movie "V" in Vendetta. The guy with the mask that unleases a revolution. I think Tyler & Co are trying to be like that. Tyler Durden is not one man. Eventually there will be hundreds of guys named Tyler Durdens popping up and unleasing a revolution.
George Orwell
Given Tyler's admission of proximity to the Wedge in a prior post (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-china-economic-catastrophe-u...) which every SoCal denizen knows is a famous/dangerous surfing spot in Newport Beach, and PIMCO being the only financial institution in Orange County worth a damn, some PIMCO affiliation wouldn't surprise me a bit.
I originally thought Tyler was Andrew Ladhe of subprime-shorting, fortune-making, hemp-legalizing fame given his recent retirement, poison pen and SoCal location, but I could be wrong. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2008/10/the-most-entert.html
Regardless of who Tyler is, the commentary is terrific. Keep it up.
that was a guest post. but nice try.
Silly media.
Edward Norton IS Tyler Durden!
It's a schizophrenia play!
I was saying to myself, classic non-denial denial. Until I got to the last paragraph.
I don't care who "Tyler Durden" is.
I figured out since we came to this site that "Tyler" is not just one person. The original "Tyler" has a different writing style.
As long as "Tyler" keeps posting factual information that keeps me informed about what the Fed is doing, I'm good. This site does a damn site better than mainstream news outlets, which I have given up on.
You guys are doing a great job. Keep it up.
I know who you are: The Brain Trust, OB, MA, LB, OR, ...etc
Serious comment: the US secret services no doubt have already determined the identity behind every contributor to ZH -- his/her background, location, source of funds, family, friends, contacts, you name it.
It would take the police state five seconds to disclose all of the above, most likely leaked through the MSM. However good ZH's anti-hacking facilities are they are no match to the guys who hold all the keys to all digital encryption.
It is childish to pretend that anonymity is an option, particularly online. If it suits the powers that be, then the identities behind ZH will be exposed.
If the US Secret Service knows the brand of dog food I buy would they please pick some up on their way over tonight.
On a more serious side... I watched my father over the years constantly writing Letters to the Editor to enlighten the public to problems in our community... and watched the public respond in a positive way.
I believe strongly in Freedom of Speech... and so I speak whenever I get a chance... as did my father. I frequently work with the local newspaper on uncovering issues that the State has neglected in my industry... and the State is so busy trying to get themselves out of a paper bag that I feel no sense of concern.
What is the worst that the Secret Service can do... so you lose your house, your assets, your job... I have started over more than once and each time I become more financially successful than the time before.
But we Americans have led a very coddled life compared to the rest of the world... so I think we are more fearful of retaliation because we have 'more to lose'. We need to get over that fear... AND SPEAK MORE FREQUENTLY AND LOUDLY... before we do lose our voice.
I believe you got the wrong agency there. That agency is more interested in some of the people who comment here, but really, their hands are full.
Com'on - we all know you're Alan Greenspan.
You can't organize, then all disappear at the same time and expect that no one will put the pieces together. Not that I mind, the site is way cool. I'm glad that I found you all. Best of luck.
Not that any of this really has any bearing beyond having some fun with the speculation, but has anyone else noticed that most (if not all) of the Bloomberg screen captures are on PST (example: after hours trading volumes being discussed in post, time on screen is 13:00 - 13:30). All of which may merely mean that Tyler(s)'s terminal(s) is/are set to PST, not that the terminal itself is in that time zone.
Also, bear in mind that there "is" A Tyler, the Real Slim Shady, as it were, even if the persona has grown to accomodate multiple humans to allow for the growth and development of ZH. Perhaps we can focus on trying to notice the posts that most match the early output in style and temperament?
As for post #40581 -- the solution to this is perhaps multinodal, cellular organization - of contributors, physical infrastructure, etc. I am seeing this already, would be very surprised if the team behind the site hadn't thought of these. By the time ZH can be a big and serious enough target to warrant black helicopters of its own, it should/will by extension have enough adherents to become a real Hydra.
All CNBC reporters should be fired and Zero Hedge should take charge of everything in there.
What do you get if you cross a rabbit with "Pinocchio" ????
-A side shot of Erin Burnett when she's interviewing someone; it's so painful. This girl is all nose and her sense of humor is like a kick in the balls.
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