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Plutonium Found In Fukushima, TEPCO Executive Says "Radioactive Substance Shouldn’t Have Any Impact On Human Health"
Shit just got real. The spin? It is not harmful to human health. Oh really? We can't wait for Kan to eat some plutonium on national TV to confirm this. In the meantime we await the retraction from TEPCO claiming they made a mistake and they really meant platinum not plutonium.
From Kyodo:
Plutonium has been detected in soil at five locations at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Monday.
The operator of the nuclear complex said that the plutonium is believed to have been discharged from nuclear fuel at the plant, which was damaged by the devastating March 11 earthquake and tsunami.
While noting that the concentration level does not pose a risk to human health, the utility firm said it will strengthen monitoring on the environment in and around the nuclear plant.
Meanwhile, high levels of radiation exceeding 1,000 millisieverts per hour have been detected in water in a trench outside the No. 2 reactor's building at the nuclear plant, with the contaminated water suspected to have come from the reactor's core, where fuel rods have partially melted, authorities said Monday.
The government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said the electric power company, known as TEPCO, is expected to pump out similarly highly contaminated water that has been building up in the basement of the No. 2 reactor's turbine building, which is connected to the trench, to eventually remove the water.
The company said the high radiation level in water in the trench connected to the No. 2 complex was detected Sunday, adding that the radiation level in the air in the trench stood at 100 to 300 millisieverts.
At a radiation level of 1,000 millisieverts per hour, people could suffer a decrease in the number of lymphocytes -- a type of white blood cell -- in just 30 minutes, and half could die within 30 days by remaining in such conditions for four hours.
TEPCO also found Sunday afternoon that the radiation level at the surface of the trench water adjacent to the No. 1 complex was 0.4 millisievert per hour. But it could not measure the level at the gutter linked to the No. 3 unit as rubble prevented the firm from checking it, the company added.
Although it remains unknown whether the contaminated water has flowed into the sea from the trenches that are 55 to 70 meters away from the shore, TEPCO suspects the high concentration of radioactive substances found in seawater near the plant reactors' drainage outlets may be linked to the trench water.
Earlier in the day, the nuclear agency said radioactive iodine-131 at a concentration 1,150 times the maximum allowable level was detected Sunday in a seawater sample taken around 1.5 kilometers north of the drainage outlets of the troubled No. 1-4 reactors.
Haruki Madarame, chairman of the Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan, a government panel, told reporters he is ''very worried'' about the high-level radiation detected in water in the trenches, which is outside the radiation-controlled area set by TEPCO.
Reuters confirms that this was merely yet another cover up:
Plutonium has been found in soil at various points within Japan's stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex but does not present a risk to human health, operator Tokyo Electric Power Co <9501.T> (TEPCO) said on Monday.
TEPCO vice-president Sakae Muto told journalists at the company's latest briefing that test results showing the plutonium came from samples taken a week ago.It was the latest bad news from the plant, where evidence of radiation has been mounting and engineers face a protracted battle to control reactors damaged by an earthquake and tsunami on March 11.
From Bloomberg:
March 28 (Bloomberg) -- Tokyo Electric Power Co. found plutonium contamination in soil near the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant that was tested, Sakae Muto, vice president at plant operator, said at a press conference shown on a webcast today.
The plutonium probably came after the accident at the reactors following Japan’s strongest earthquake and tsunami, he said. The radioactive substance shouldn’t have any impact on human health, he said.
Fear not: TEPCO will bravely continue to sacrifice its workers even after this discovery. Per Reuters:
The discovery of plutonium at five places within
Japan's damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex will not cause work
there to be suspended, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co said on
Tuesday.
Attached is a report from the ANS on why this discovery means that Reactor 3 is compromised.
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+1 Winning!
Win.
FTW.
+1 pile on.
+1 pile on.
Ha ha ha... well yes, it _is_ an Alpha emitter, and a sheet of paper does actually stop most Alpha. So long as the plutonium is outside the body, and not, say, inhaled into the lungs, absorbed into the blood, and deposited in the bones. As it does.
Do these guys even understand plutonium is bastard poisonous as well?
Plutonium decay data:
http://www.qe3c.com/dqo/elem_lst.html
Isotope half-life decay mode
Pu-232 34 min alpha, electron capture
Pu-233 alpha, electron capture
Pu-234 8.8 hr alpha, electron capture
Pu-235 26 min alpha, electron capture
Pu-236 2.9 yr alpha
Pu-237 45 day alpha
Pu-238 87.7 yr alpha
Pu-239 2.4x10^4yr alpha
Pu-240 6537 yr alpha
Pu-241 14.4 yr beta emission, alpha
Pu-242 3.8x10^5yr alpha
Pu-243 4.9 hr beta emission
Pu-244 8.2x10^7yr alpha, spontaneous fission
Pu-245 10.5 hr beta emission
Pu-246 10.9 day beta emission
That's true.
Alpha particles, like helium nuclei, have a net spin of zero and (due to the mechanism of their production in nuclear decay), in the classical sense, a total energy of about 5 MeV. They are a highly ionizing form of particle radiation, and (when resulting from radioactive alpha decay) have low penetration depth. They are able to be stopped by a few centimeters of air, or by the skin.
Pu238 is a powerful carcinogen when ingested. As is Ce137
I've lived with Plutonium most of my adult life, being in close proximity with it for about 15 years - and it hasn't killed me
Pardon me, I have to get a kleenex, my eight eye is tearing
Huh. That's a strange name for your mother-in-law.
Have you seen Plutonium Ann
She's aw never mind
Your eighth eye? New avatar please.
Thank god. Last thing we need is a run on aluminium for tin-foil hats.
Why don't they just build a new nuclear plant and throw all this plutonium and shit into that one. Let's not let this stuff go to waste. In the mean time, we can just pick up this plutonium and stick it into one of those heavy duty refillable starbucks cups. My coffee rarely leaks out of those, so I'm sure it can handle the plutonium.
I think you are on to a good idea.
Throw all the used fuel from around the japan in the fukushima reactors, and than make a huge pile of sand and boric acid on top of it, make even a bigger mountain of concrete on top of it with and cover it all in lead at the end.
They could even put a few pipes running through it and have an improved version of the Nuclear reactor.
And you just gave the bullish call on SBUX too. Wait, are you from Merrill Lynch?
Well, folks, I-131 has been found in rainwater in Boston. But have no fear. It is completely safe to drink the water. Sushi ? Pass.
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/low_levels_of_radioactive...
would you really want to drink rainwater in the industrial NE anyway?
I mean, gfd there are coal plants and refineries all over belching toxins. Remember "acid rain"?
The AIR ALONE in major cities, if you take an hour commute, is said to be equivalent to smoking half a dozen cigarettes. Nevermind the danger of the drive.
What we are seeing here is people deathly afraid of the airplane when the statistical risk to them goes vertical once they get behind the wheel of their car. This simply isn't rational.
I know it is not possible for everybody to be rational; most people aren't capable of it. That's why it's important to listen to the rationals' advice on matters such as these.
"why it's important to listen to the rationals' advice on matters such as these."
Ah governance by the enlightened classes.
Equivilant to anti-matter here at Zero Hedge.
Perhaps the next best thing then?
Become enlightened for oneself. It really doesn't take much to learn this stuff. Just spend a few hours on wikipedia, fas, or even the nrc site.
Apparently that is too hard for people who would prefer to spend their whole days running around in circles clamouring for the next catastrophe.
Acid Rain is the least of our worries with coal combustion. The mercury content (a bio-accumulating neruotoxin) is the dirty little secret of the coal industry.
Where is Aristarchan when you need him!? Haven't heard from him in a while. I hope he wasn't "silenced". You know, having worked for the goverment and all.
A Japanese couple want to do BOOM BOOM.
So they go to a hotel.
Says the guy to the woman: Turn of the light.
Says the woman: There's no electricity, so how can I turn of the light?
Says the guy: IT'S YOU!!
Get it?
She's glowing :) OH FUCK THIS!!! YOU GUYS HAVE NO HUMOUR!!
Brilliant!
How did it end? Did he have to kill her or what?
i'm sure he just blindfolded her.
But, but, but that would not solve his light problem. If a blindfold is the solution, surely he should blindfold himself, no? Now I do not know about you, but I would not want to be blindfolded in a room with a radioactive woman. You can call me old-fashioned if you want.
why did he want the light off in the first place?
she was a two bulber
she gave him a glow job
Don't confuse the glowing with Animal Spirits.
Hey, Belgique -- I remember this track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IIBHtw78A
What about the guys' BULBous end?
All of this just reinforces that feeling I've been having that everything is going to be just fine.
Have another hit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHODyEpm2w
We are beyond doomed.
And for my next trick.....
Who the fuck are these people suggesting this to be fake news? Explosions, radioneuclotide clouds, breached containment facilities, meltdowns, neutron beam rays and now expecting no deadly release of Pu?
Been listening to the WH Press Office far too much.
But then again, Barry did tell us that no radiation would make it to American shores.
"no radiation would make it to American shores" ... perhaps you take that too literally. We have exquisitely sensitive instruments that can detect the radiation, but in any practical sense it is completely correct to say no radiation will reach us here. It's just too damn far away.
radiation alarms were going off last week at a gov nuke facility in Utah..I know a physicist who works there..the levels were marginal no impact on health..but it's still radiation from japan hitting utah..and this thing is still not under any control..he did not think it was a problem- YET. also said japan was asking for their help..I would not go but some are much braver than I have become.
about a week or two ago a radiation alarm went off in a european airport. germany, was it? some folks had debarked from________. yep!
... 1 pound of plutonium spread evenly across the land mass of the earth would kill all humans within 3 months...
THIS IS NOT GOOD.
FUD. I don't think that's on the table chief.
That is so bloody rediculous I can't even comprehend what sort of lemon would come up with that.
People, you do realize that there were about 25 years of atmospheric nuclear weapons tests conducted on this little planet of ours, no?
You realize that not all plutonium is fissioned when a weapon detonates, no?
You realize that the average size for a thermonuclear primary is 2.5kg of pu239, no?
Considering the thousands of weapons detonated, combined with the RORSAT and Apollo 13 plutonium thermo-electric-generator reentries that FAR MORE THAN 1 pound of plutonium has already been distributed on the earth.
You people and this site should definitely stick to finance. It's a much more suitable topic.
fake news
Pluto no longer a planet...
Plutonium no longer dangerous to your health...
... and presumably they're no longer both named after the god of the underworld, either. Whenever I come across a materials-safety handbook, I always flip to the entry on plutonium for the laugh. The last one I saw, /Sax's Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials/, ninth ed. has this entry for Plutonium Compounds:
It hardly needs saying, but as far as I could see Sax's doesn't resort to double exclamation marks very often. Sadly I don't have the text of the Plutonium entry.
As long as it does not migrate into your body it is indeed not dangerous... but if it's in the soil it might very well be in the air... and then it's a very different story !
in the aquatic ecosystems, the food chains are more pyramidal than anywhere else. that is why tuna have high mercury content. good thing fish don't like plutonium as well as mercury, huh?
of the mammals that live in the seas, some of them feed on tuna and other large fish. others, like the baleen whales, get nutrition from plankton. they have blowholes to breath. the baleen plates are like filers which trap plankton and other small organisms, up to small fish. the humpback is a baleen species.
actually, there are studies of many of these nuclear materials, especially in tidal waters. i guess that's just been the easiest place to study this. for some reason. i wonder why?
Cant they give it to that Cramer bloke on CNBC as a present because he is so sure its safe....?
Ahhhhh Plutonium. Nothing to see. Half life is only what 80 million years. Dow will hit 36,000 LONG before then.
It is a "Costanza" market.
Repeat after me: there is NO bad news. Only opportunities to BTFD.
Cramer said that rebuilding in Japan will commence in earnest in 10 days. BTFD.
I can feel the turn coming in residential real estate. Best asset class out there. Buy low and sell lower. How do we do it:VOLUME.
The incredible thing is that TEPCO and the Japanese authorities have resisted testing soil samples for plutonium. They will be exposed as lying from the start and this is definitely not bullish. Anyway to go long Yakuza, short TEPCO executives?
I'm kind of amazed the Yakuza hasn't killed the TEPCO execs yet. Considering what TEPCO just did to Japan, holy shit.
They're sending Benjamin Fulford over with a baseball bat.
Well you don't want to take out any contracts on the TEPCO execs before they finish the clean up. And it's not just the TEPCO execs...
The Japanese government imposed Article 15 "...banned all its government agencies, including its nuclear regulatory and protection agencies, from issuing any statements about the nuclear crisis..."
Which means everything that is said needs to be pre-approved...
I'm hereby discarding the cautious optimism I've exuded in regards to this situation previously. By no means am I pushing the panic button guys; plutonium is more stable than other radio-isotopes and its dispersion prevents criticality unless concentrated during clean-up or by rain, but it poses an acute inhalation hazard and is a bitch to clean up.
Ya - it's stable alright... plutonium-239 has a #uckin half-life of 24,110 years. If this shit has seeped into the water... Tokyo will be a ghost city.
Long half-life is an indication of stability. Think about it.
it's "in the water." that means "it's in the shell fish." Oysters Rockefeller anyone?
How long before TEPCO backtracks, and say that's not what they meant???
How long till Tepco gets a bailout?
They got one. Last week.
as stated by me from the beginning "nationalization" and "sarcophagus." nuclear power is everywhere and always "in the danger zone." with an enviable safety record? well, now we know what can happen when they have "only one."
When the actuarial tables are revised to account for the downward revisions in life expectancy, all pensions funds will be fully funded, maybe even SS!
@Bastiat
Could it be that this has not escaped the thoughts of TPTB? Sure would solve a lot of future problems.
La puissance de la mort, or an invitation to a Shunning.....
It does no good to be pissed about it.
You are dead. They murdered you, and you need to get beyond the anger that this knowledge brings. There is yet work you must do.
The powers that be, and their political minions have been working this plan since the 1950's when Japan was forced into the GE designed nuclear reactors as part of the imposition of TPTB hegemony at the end of the Second Planetary War of the 20th century. Also known to academicians as 'WW2', this war not only nominally ended with nuclear release, but has now, all these decades later, been 'reborn' with nuclear release in Fukushima. ThePowersThatBe (Rothshield banksters, Rockefeller banksters, big oil, big pharma, and small soul politicians, and all zionist supporters) are determined to kill off a major part of us humans over these next few years to suit their perceived needs. They likely have, in the Fukushima nuclear plant implosion and meltdown, murdered several million of us....we just do not yet recognize that we (the afflicted) are soon-to-be dead.
There is no point to indulging in wild ass speculation about nuclear bombs being used to trigger the earthquake that caused the tsunami that swept away all the 'safety' equipment at Fukushima that led to the vaporization of hundreds of fuel rods that produced the radioactive poisoning of the planet that killed you. There is no point to putting your dwindling life energy into speculations about Haarp, or scalar weather wars, or any other perceived 'instrument' of your murder. None of it is likely factual, and TPTB are deliberately polluting the information stream to confuse your dying mind. They killed you. Deal with it.
There is no point to focusing on a single guilty person in your murder. It is a large, and well run conspiracy. Grasp this and give up the idea of taking revenge on any given witless stooge of a bankster or politician. To the conspiracy that is killing you, such people (low level conspirators) are sacrifices who were chosen exactly because they are expendable and easily replaced with the next, greed blinded, non thinking humanimal. It does you no good to seek to 'take them with you'. Besides, killing these people does not even slow the conspiracy down, and likely puts money in the pockets of TPTB in cleaning up the corpse and blood.
They have killed you, where you sit.
You are murdered. This is your power.
They (the stupid, duped, and controlled minions) are desperately trying to not be dead themselves. This is one of their many vulnerable points of weakness.
ThePowersThatBe, or those controlled (possessed) humans who think themselves 'lord and master' of this planet, are dependent on the weak-willed, easily-corrupted, small minded, gullible human minions. This is a huge damn weakness.
Time to take action.
What can be done? The Fukushima reactors are in full scale meltdown...how can we take action now?
Well, there exists on this planet now, technology involving thinking called 'closed time like curves' that can be used to save some humans. Many millions of us are already dead, but we can stop the damage now, by employing the CTLC technology. This technology is used in what is called the 'time industry'. Mostly it is a very secret, classified all the way up the rectum into the colon, military industry. There are groups in America, India, and China where the CTLC 'loops' are being explored and developed. These groups are controlled by corporations and political/military minions.
These 'loops' of time-stuff are held in magnetic containment fields in laboratories where the engineers in nominal control of the CTLC loops are fiddling around with trivialities such as reducing the 'experienced time' necessary to wash a load of dirty dishes at the direction of their 'masters', the gullible, greedy corporate and political minions.
We walking dead humans, the regular people teeming across this planet who just don't give a fuck about TPTB's grand goal of glorious global war and megadeath ritual over religious differences, need to get awake, and damn quick. We have very little time before the ground is littered with our splotchy, swollen, radioactive, rotting bodies.
What can we do?
Well, to start, let's agree to NOT fall into TPTB trap of violence. It just gives them a 'blood flush' that produces stiff dicks that they use to sexually abuse children. So let us be smarter than that.
We need to be asymmetric in our response. This means to develop a strategy and employ tactics against which they (tptb and their minions) have no defense.
One such tactic is an old one, well tried, but forgotten these days. This is 'shunning'. There are many aspects of shunning. Not only can you totally remove your energy from tptb by not being sucked into their games such as funding for political parties, or mega 'charities', or shopping at 'their' stores, but shunning also includes more active forms of resistance. As an instance, one could attend every political rally possible, and deliberately stand with their back to the speakers. Or attend, and simply start clapping and refuse to stop. When asked, present a note explaining your actions and keep right on clapping (la casserola variant). Or, attend the political rally and sing a 'patriotic' song, continuously, and when challenged, instantly flip the challenge back on the aggressor by insulting their patriotism. And other, similar variants.
Imagine how the political minions will react when their motorcade routes are lined with thousands of people who are not violently shouting and protesting, but standing, silent, and backs to the proceedings.
You laugh?! Well, indulge me once before you say that these tactics will not shatter the confidence of even the strongest personality, and also acknowledge that the minions as a class of people, are not known for their mental or emotional strength. Also acknowledge that humans need humans. What good does it do to strut the stage if the audience is shunning you....? What slimy scum minion political personality on teevee today would/could 'face' that kind of group pressure? None that are visible.
But what good does this do? Besides making us feel better (slightly, we are dying after all) in seeing the politicians piss themselves, what is to be accomplished? Well...see the point of the shunning is to get the attention of the politico's and then to inform them that their lives (as they knew them) are over until they get the 'time engineers' to work with the Closed Time-Like Curves to work on encapsulating and then degrading the danger within the remnants of Fukushima.
Oh, and while we are at it, why not put a 'time barrier bubble emergency containment system' at each and every one of the over 400/four hundred nuclear reactors around the planet, and also all the damn nuclear weapons facilities? Huh? Makes sense, eh?
There are many other variants of the shunning tactic that have been employed through out history. Do some creative searching and see the many forms employed. They work. Basically all of them tell this truth to power.....we know we cannot kill you (now), but we will take from you everything that makes your life worth living causing you to retreat to the little bunker in your mind where your fear rules you and your bowels, unless you do as you are told.
Get over the secrecy. Release the CTLC technology now. Fix this mess.
There is always one, mostly unstated, variant of the tactic, that scares the tptb into hot burning fear shits....coventry. That is next.....after all, if irradiated, and knowing myself to be dead, simply not yet prone, what the fuck do I care about paying my bills? Or obeying any of 'their' laws?
But, let us be smart, and for the sake of our personal karma, try the asymmetric, non violent route of shunning before heading into 'global jihad against banksters/tptb'.
Besides, shunning is more fun. It is actually amusing watching the minions try and figure out what the hell is going on....and then watching them piss themselves.
So, my challenge to the readers is to create new, non violent, variants of shunning and let us all see which politician pisses themselves first.
And a last point on this subject. It must be addressed. Violence. It is the last resort of the rational mind, and the first trap of the TPTB. However, it is still a legitimate tactic for change. And knowing this the ancient order of TPTB used to have a building in which they had people, like you and me, fight and kill each other for the amusement of TPTB, but also to eliminate the threat of violence to themselves by redirecting it. This building had a motto incised over its door. This motto was 'we who are about to die, salute you'. Well.....times have changed....can some one please go to that arch over the gladiator entrance to the Coliseum in Rome, and rewrite it so that it reads.....
“To TPTB, if it gets this far, we who are dying are going to gut you like fish....”
Oh, and directly to the CTLC engineers, it might help to call me about both the 'field sustenance' and 'interweaving' issues. There are a few ideas rattling around my old bald head that may assist your thinking.
with respect....get to work. You are dying and time is short.
clif
March 26, 2011
Yeah, just shun the pluto stuff. Turn your back on it and it will not affect you.
Clif;
I read this at another site this morning. It got even better the second time. How can I apply to formation as a 'Time Monk'? I already have some experience in Benedictine monastery and thought that it might look good on a new resume, targeted to getting a job in this field.
RE: Shunning. I'd like to get a bunch of coroplast aprons printed for the 'backside' with bare cartoon butts. Tied up with a string or a belt, for when Shunning must convey to TPTB politicians exactly where they should direct their kisses.
just like "the consprirators" forced Japan into two electrical distribution systems? one American (in the South) and the other European (in the North)? OF COURSE!
Can you tell me how to employ a "time loop" to get back the five minutes I just spent reading this?
Oh. I guess since I am already dead, time is irrelevant. Never mind.
ColonelCooper is to be excommunicated from the Time Monastery for acts of direct disobedience to Abbot Ein Stein and apostasy to the Church of HalfPastHuman. Cooper will no longer be honored as novice Time Monk and will accept the pejorative 'Time Heretic' as his derisive, nominative title.
col cooper! report to the coventry cathedral!
hahahahahahahaha
good one, coop...LOL
E-Bay sold out of potassium iodide, toilet paper, and 'closed time like curves' equipment just after the quake.
You're right!
We're gonna to die.
Wasn't there a Simpson's where Bart found a wormhole? LOL
clif needs to dig the web bots out of his brain.
TOKYO, March 28, Kyodo
Plutonium has been detected in soil at five locations at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Monday.
The operator of the nuclear complex said that the plutonium is believed to have been discharged from nuclear fuel at the plant, which was damaged by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.
==Kyodo
yeah, no shit !
uh oh here comes the "Plutonium Rush"
head east/west (depending on your perspective) to japan to pan for plutonium it's right there on the ground...yours for the taking!
The shit just keeps getting more and more real. I think we need a new catch phrase. "The shit just got real" is starting to have as much meaning as the word "terrorism".
"the shit just got in your lungs" not catchy enough?...hmm
Pu-238 found in soil samples...
"The septic's backed up. The shit's in the back yard."
How about "the shit just keeps piling up"?
The Department of This Shit Just Got Real.
Ranks right up there with the Senate Hindsight Committee.
Surely you meant to say "attempt to feed his young daughter plutonium on national television"? We'll have to see if a dutiful civil servant picks up the slack.
On behalf of all the people of the world and particularly Japan, I'd like to offer every TEPCO executive a health-improving plutonium pill, washed down with a sparkling class of Fukushima turbine hall basement water.
Pu like DU is most hazardous when inhaled. Ingested, not so much as it tends to go straight through the GI tract. bio-uptake is very slow but when/if it does, this shit produces fatal cancers as it pools in the liver and bone marrow.
However, and I know I will get junked for this, most of the paranoia on plutonium's toxicity is exaggerated. It's not something I'd want to be inhaling, but if we look at facts, there were Manhattan employees who inhaled enough Pu to have a 99.5% lung cancer risk according to the linear risk models, and not one ever developed the cancer.
The government actually injected some terminally ill people back then with some 5 micrograms of Pu to study its effects as part of a secret study.
whoops I hit junk on accident; I read the wikipedia article where they linked to that study, someone apparently thougth Plutonium had a "metallic taste" lol!
I'm not sure what to think really, but I guess I'll not be riding my bicycle for the next month in hopes that particles will at least be diluted enough to never cause me a problem in 150 years (I am working on lifespan extension science, living longer in good health being the goal). This stuff should fall into the ocean or to the ground eventually, don't you think?
don't worry about the junk.
Junk around here means "doesn't reinforce my hysteria."
Don't worry about Pu, worry about Cesium.
Pu is too heavy to go far...Cs137, much lighter, carried on the smoke, I-131 as well. This is what contaminated Chernobyl and the surrounding areas. Your body readily uptakes I131 and Cs137, Pu it does not.
Junk around here means "doesn't reinforce my hysteria."
That was a good laugh. Sadly true.
In your case, being junked means you're insufferably rude, egomaniacal, foul-mouthed, and cluttering up the board with personal attacks. So lay off the bullshit and talk sense.
Trav got into the study (and the injections) by convincing them that we are all terminally ill give a long enough time frame. Initailly he was rejected, but after he protested and went on tirades a behind the scenes decision was made "to inject the fucker, its a secret study, no-one will find out".
We have living proof of what a 5mg Pu dose does to a human.
..l.. <<< side effect
You're right.
I feel that now is the time to come clean. I spent the hours necessary to get through one of CD's posts and it made me see the light and I feel a full confession is in order.
I was injected with plutonium and it modified my DNA to give me superhuman intelligence.
And I hereby APOLOGIZE to the entire ZH community for using my advanced intellect to make fools of all of you. I am sorry.
Please forgive...forgive.
Cut the sardonic bullshit, Trav.
You may be right. Either way, I think it's safe to say that British beef was even safer than plutonium in equal quantities. :) Gummer still came out of it looking like a heel, perhaps unjustly.
This doesn't make any difference. How is this a surprise? Pu is an actinide. There are about 15 actinides in the group. Expect to see all of them. The core melted down, water leaked out. What do people expect to happen?
yep! and with over 4000 tons of fuel, almost 80% of which is "spent", well, this is some Super Site, here. when chernobyl blew, they were doing a scheluled test. and, they started to dampen the reactor down to do it. a turbine test, i think. hey, you guys, start the turbine test drill @ midnight or something. see ya! no sweat. and....they do! then, the phone rings. some guy from the elec grid authority notifying them that they've got a conventional site down, could they just wait?
well, okey dokey. this desision was made at the appropriate level, too. by the numbers. so they put their foot back on the gas, and the engine starts to overheat. that's bad! let's try this! oops! how about this? ohhh, shit, well, maybe this'll----kabooom! the whole thing went supercritical so fast, it just blew the freaking top off and went sky-hi from the bomb they had inadvertantly set off b/c a coal plant went down!
i'm the same way! you tell me yer gonna do something, ya better fuking do it! start hemin and hawin around b/c of somebody else's "needs", i'm gonna blow my top faster than you would ever believe, too!
as tyler sez, the japanese didn't have a plan. no shit. neither did the russians. when these thingies are built, the have all kindsa plans, but if someone told them they had to plan for this, they wouldn't be able to build the fuking places in the first place.
i had a gf who lived 3000 miles away. we'd make plans, she'd get antsy. plans = somebody fly 3000 milesX2! she'd cancel plans and i'd nuke her. after 3 times, i finally confronted her that she wasn't a person who keeps her word. she went fuking ape-shit: i am so! how can you say that! you just shut the fuk up, slewie! you know that isn't true! well, jeeez, hon, we've made 3 sets of plans, and you never keep them. well!, she says, everybody does that!
i can understand chernobyl, but this fukushima drill is incomprehensible to me.
I think your ex and half of my exes are all twins.
we are from Venus. they are from Mars.
Maybe I was wrong earlier about the authorities speaking in code. Maybe they are just thinking like women! A code I never understood.
errata? the chernoble "test" was aka a turbine "experiment", and it was delayed. then they went a little too fast shutting it down for the experiment, and so on. what i have learned is that chernobyl wasn't a fission blow. at least not on this site which sez these (like fuku) uranium/water/rod thingies do not have enuf fuels in the core to go critical. this page says it was a superheated chemical explosion. and the guy in charge made some horrible decisions, ignoring safety for the "experiment" which went awry b/c they started off by chilling the chain reaction too much.
when the thing went, 50 tons of nuclear fuel evaporated. 70 tons went sideways outa the core, leaving 50 tons and 800 tons of graphite to form a substance "like a volcano." the radioactive release = 10+X hiroshima.
there is 24 times the amount of fuel at fuku. but the reactors have the steel casing, which woulda made a huge diff in russia.
most of the distress is about the spent @ fuku. the unstable elements have decayed, the long-lived stuff is there: cesium, plutonium, americum, strontium curium neptunium. this stuff has been involved in explosions, fires, overheating due to water loss, boiling. this is not within the steel containment vessel.
Seriously, WTF!!!!
Go long mortuaries...
posted earlier
Clearly they did not get the memo
Wal-Mart to reopen 12 quake-hit stores in Japanhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/28/us-walmart-idUSTRE72R073201103...
i kinda like this. let's start with bottled water for 120 million. peanut butter. propane bottles for the new "camper" teapots. batteries. a roof! pasta/noodles. clean clothes! just rinse em off in the bathroom and put em on wet. go thru checkout, remove tags and go dry in beta and gamma rays. canned goods. canned fruit. chinese marmalade for 75 cents a jar.
each time one opens, there will be scores trampled.
Better pick up those stray plutonium bits - that stuff is expensive. Now where is the Plutonium ETF...?
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81589.html
So let me get this right. The only reactor with plutonium in it is the reactor with the defective containment vessel?
http://www.naturalnews.com/031848_Fukushima_cover-up.html
What a coincidence!
No. All the spent fuel rods have plutonium in them too. RTF PDF above.
We saw that reactor blow up sky high with what I saw as whole sections of the building raining down.
At least one of those Swimming pools filled with old rods cooling are probably went up and now the rods are scattered across the whole site.
Sigh...not possible.
Had this been the case, the workers in that video we saw would have literally collapsed due to radiation exposure.
The rad field atop Chernobyl 4 was estimated (as a result of stray core components being there) at 100-120 Sv/hr. Liquidators were permitted to remain up there for only 45 seconds at a time because the field was assumed to only be 70 or so Sv/hr. And some of them literally collapsed upon coming back down off the roof. If they had stayed a minute and a half or two minutes they would have dropped dead on the spot.
Nobody would be able to be near any core components; they are simply far too radioactive.
What workers? What site?
graphite fuel
active fire
complete containment collapse
not the same scenario as chernobyl this will be a protracted release.
No shit?
The OTHER GUY said that the core was all over the parking lot.
THAT was what I responded to.
@ Rusty_shorts the workers on the fucking VIDEO shot at Fukushima the other day.
I see, so your fleet of unicorns is now shitting plutonium flavored skittles.
actually he said the spent fuel rods were all over the parking lot, not the reactor. And the more I think about it is better than them all being clumped together reheating, individual rods exposed are far less dangerous then the entire tank drained of coolant melting together.
I don't believe the fucking VIDEO trav, I believe it was a set. I have yet to see any activity at the site that can conclusively substantiated.
I'm guessing you're talking about this video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ8DdBsXji4
It's fake, unless they brought in some carpenters and built temporary steel stud walls and threw a few sheets of drywall on ... right next to the reactor, I mean, wtf.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81589.html
The Reuters report closed with this:
TEPCO said test results showing plutonium came from samples taken a week ago.
A week ago??? This proves the cover up story. The Japanese people should rip apart the government. Too many lies.
Bruce, exactly what i thought when i read that Reuters report.
Unfortunately, i believe that the Japanese obedience to authority works against them, at times such as this.
However, any US based strategist, macro economic, sell side whore, who says this is going away in the next month or the next 6 months, needs a free vacation to Pripyat.
Chill Bruce, they said samples "taken" a week ago, not "tested". What's the rush when you have everything under control?
Pretty damn sad that I laughed at that. Welcome to 2011.
And Goldman Sachs employees are forced to live next to this.
People should be shooting politicians and TEPCO management over this shit.
"The Japanese should rip apart the government." Should they succeed, please, please come over here and show the cowardly americans how to do the same over here. Milestones
I hear that, americans are only experts in marveling at their captors and writing articles about how theyll next be screwed by them....Stockholm Syndrome USA is disgusting.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/mtsat/nwpac/flash-wv.html
Satellite loop (IR so good day or night) for prevailing high level winds
You are now shitting in your pants because you have radiation poisoning and your thyroid is dead!!
You are now shitting in your pants because you have radiation poisoning and your thyroid is dead!!
Hey maybe the reopening Walmart stores will have conveniently located plutonium recycling drop-stations.....radiation rollback!
Nah -- they meant Polonium...
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Ok so zerriously what's the worst case scenario? And I mean without all the sarcasm what does this mean? How bad is it? What does it mean to the globe?
Lying on the ground not so bad; Pu can be oxidized in a fire and transported as vapor, but it's not likely to go global in the sense you mean.
But it's a real baddie in terms of long term contamination. If this or much strontium or cesium gets about 100 km south/southwest of the plant, it is catastrophic for Japan.
Ok so zerriously what's the worst case scenario? - Japan completely fucked, rest of planet? moderatley fucked
And I mean without all the sarcasm what does this mean? - Game, set, match
How bad is it? - Way worse than they care to admit.
What does it mean to the globe? - All depends on which way the wind blows
What a disgrace, really, seems all they have accomplished is just a massive monitoring program, and still there is more speculation than fact. That in itself Dasein should tell you current state of affairs....
Thats really the bottom line, its way worse than they'll admit. The govts have been lying about all of it, yet they do know they can count on the sheeple believing everything theyre told even while knowing theyre being fed a steady diet of BS. Human beings, particularly americans, are completely worthless even as slaves.
Composite of wind readings.
Mar 27, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIzaBq5AGFU
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Composite of wind readings.
Mar 27, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIzaBq5AGFU
At least they have a disposal plan, unlike the usa.
Yucca Mountain is really pretty good. Much better than a little here, and a little there, et al.
Except they haven't moved a single pound into yucca yet.
Nope, Emperor Barry killed it for his buddy Harry.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jan/31/obama-moves-pull-yucca-mount...
It's not right/left it's upper vs lower.
They didn't move a pound into it in the previous 10 years either.
Trust me I am not on the R/L spectrum nor do I care for the paradigm.
The simple FACT presented here is that Yucca long languishing, was finally killed by Emperor Barry in order to help out his buddy Harry.
Fuck Emperor George the Lesser too. Does that assuage your cognitive dissonance?
This is bullish for natural gas. More power plants are now going to be built using NG.
Quantitative plutonium easing. Spread the wealth!
Anybody else have the feeling that the Japanese (or sometimes also Asian) idea of Saving Face is making this whole situation worse than it could be. Denying the scale of the problem isn't going to make the radiation go away.
According to the ANS report, use of MOX at Fukushima can be assumed to be low risk unless it can be proven it wasn't.
Why is everyone suprised? The official word comes down from TRUTH CENTRAL and is given by the aNN here:
Ann Coulter Says Radiation Is Good For You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXFUUGeV1DI&feature=player_embedded
ietalon
a little radiation never killed anyone.
Time for some Ice-9 to entomb the oceans.
- 03-28 11:00: Japan nuclear plant operator say plutonium found in soil not harmful to human health
No, I am no making this shit up.In other words, this is the special, non-toxic plutonium, and it's safe to eat and drink.
Thanks, TEPCO. You're the best nuke plant operator ever!
Their logic runs something like this:
"We've found this bit of Pu and isolated it, so this Pu won't be harmful to human health."
-- It's all weasely BS dressed up in corporate specmanship semantic claptrap. Lies that mislead (although technically logically consistent) -- and lies through omission, "The other, unquantified emissions we decline to mention, nor are we talking about that (hypothetical) Pu."
Or similar. You get the idea. Getting the facts is like nailing jelly to the wall. But "face" is saved -- supposedly. It works.
Until it doesn't..