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Poetic Parity: One Ounce Of Silver Costs Same As One Share Of JPM
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Now there's an arb/divergence trade...
Can anyone explain the signifance of this?
According to those that are cleverer than I, JPM manipulate silver prices lower...
High silver prices will see them take quite a loss.
Which is great, except you can't play it because JPM will just be bailed out of any and all losses, probably before they are even made public. All you will see instead is massive dollar devaluation from the currency being pumped down that bottomless pit.
The only evidence we are likely to ever see of such dealings will come in the form of sustainably astronomical silver prices, a COMEX default, and/or hyperinflation in the dollar (which by itself won't prove anything, as there are plenty of methods for the dollar to use for its suicide).
Maybe Blythe and The Monkeys can swap some of their JPM options for SI options?
but you know, you can't eat either
Peak soil, bitchez!
http://www.energybulletin.net/52788
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=peak+phosphorus&aq=0&aqi=g6g-m1&aql=&oq=peak+phosph&gs_rfai=&psj=1&fp=5968f614bc218727
44.26/45.03 = .9829
Money isn't supposed to be eaten, especially real money.
let them get bailed out.. just makes Silver go up higher..
cleverer?
The opposite of dimmerer.
http://tfmetalsreport.blogspot.com/2011/04/wednesday-wow.html
Some people believe that the demise of JPM is something to rejoy
some people believe that prices of Silver kept artificially low by JPM were a moral issue worth figting for...
Some people believe that in 2012, when the World will end , they will use their bar of Silver to buy food in US shops
Some other people believe that Silver has been a good investment in the last couple of years... a bit like palladium, Copper, Mulberry shares.... and dont believe any of the other bullshit
Some people are smart, and some people are morons. Most people are in massive blinding denial that allows them to sleep at night without having reality rip a hole in their head the size of the Grand Canyon.
and trillion oz's of Silver for you and yours!
here is one you can pass around as needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQv7Tr8HbGE&feature=fvwrel
Some other people believe that Silver has been a good investment in the last couple of years:
Beliefs are not facts.
2005 spot silver $6.50
2011 spot silver $44.96
http://www.halfhill.com/inflation.html
Click Options and Choose Shadow Stats Inflation from 1970 to 2010
Yes -- the gods are laughing.
watch the bear cartoon
As the SEC watch their *bare* cartoons.
LOL
Tyler, When that line completes the X, Does Blythe Masters start to melt like the Wicked Witch in the Wizard of Oz?
Crash JPM buy silver, Discuss.
Pretty much everyone on this site is working on it.
I recently converted a guy to our side. He bought 50kg silver bars last week.
50kg.......right :) He better do an assay for sure 'cuz that ain't no LGD bar.
Where was he able to secure delivery on 50kg bars from???
He bought the bars in China and paid 10% premium over the spot price. I don't know yet how he will bring the bars out of China. But I think he will find a way.
Almost spit my coffee all over my keyboard! Your friend bought 50kg bars in China, the counterfeit capital of the world? I have a bridge to sell to him.
They are now counterfeiting fake bars as well.
Large bars...
China...
Silver...
Large bars of silver...
China...
Large bars of silver out of China...
All I can say is, I hope he had them assayed first. China is fraud central for fake gold and silver.
Guys, you'll never believe it but this dude on the street corner sold me a ROLEX for only $200!!!
Is he black?
In silver?
You say bars, as in plural, so he paid at least $170k in cash for basically something he knows very little about, from some shady Chinese dealer, without thinking about how he is going to get them back to the states? Okay.
Sure he did.
I agree, he needs to get the purity checked and fast. Chinese idea's of purity and silver don't necessarily go hand in hand. Some of what Chinese dealers call "tibetan Silver" is a mix of silver and other metals, to as low as 50%. He would have been better off at 10% over spot to go with something people recognize like eagles or maples. I hope he did well, but that is really throwing the wheat into the wind,.
seems like ruprechts and the wicked witch has lost the battle front in silver; but the leash is still on big brother gold
I met a second cousin at a wedding this weekend, I did not know he works for JPM in London (not on any PM desk, but in FOREX). He was interesting on the matter. He confirmed that this issue is being actively discussed in JPM, but that there is no fear, as (he said) "because people do not know all of our positions across a wide range of trades, or how we have hedged them".
you wouldn't expect him to reveal any JPM secrets, but he did seem genuinely relaxed about the whole issue. I'm not saying JPM is not net short (I really wouldn't know), but that even if they are, there seem to be elsewhere enough hedging to mitigate any losses that might occur.
That's the standard boilerplate line around every trading position. The fact is if they have other positions that net out exposure, JPM is structured in such a way that no one at the regional levels could possibly know that. It's sort like saying "we have a safety issue here, but I'm sure someone has thought this through."
They can use a massive regional loss to offset a gain and never reveal the net position overall at a corporate level. Which if that were the case, a default at the COMEX would need to be questioned to nth degree. If JPM hedged it but defaulted on delivery in the US, that would be a fantastic international fraud. I wouldn't put it beyond them.
In other words, they have naked shorts on the miners, then one day they will cover, go long the miners and not have to worry about the POS.
hard on chart
Max will love this. He claims $1.5 trillion in silver short derivatives is being backed by JPM stock. This will trigger the death of JPM...
Where does Max get this info? How can I verify it?
"And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws."
"And now," cried Max, "let the wild rumpus start!"
And who do you think will be on the hook if JPM or any other TBTF gets into trouble?
The Fed is probably selling cheap puts that JPM buys for money borrowed from the Fed for 0.1%.
The Ponzi is going to collapse but we are still fucked.
B-U-Y S-O-M-E F-U-C-K-I-N-G R-O-P-E
It's great for hangin shit up! ;-)
More! More!
DavidC
Parity, bitchez
Peter Schiff has been saying gold and the Dow will be trading at parity within due time, the question I have is what about silver? Will silver ever trade at parity with the Dow? My guess is HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! bitchez
Alas, I'm an idiot for getting short the DIA yesterday. Good thing I'm 90% invested in physical silver, I'm just hoping the market tanks a bit so I can cash out and convert fiats into silver/gold. If not, oh well, silver to the moon anyway and I'll just continue accumulating eagles/maples.
My local coin store pays spot plus $1 for Eagles but spot plus $0 for Maples. Why is that?
I like Maples because they are not considered US currency (property that can be recalled). However, I can see how the govt could apply 1099 restrictions to silver Maples like they have gold Maples.
What to do? More Eagles or more Maples?
Also Maples have a higher face value ($5) vs $1 for the American Eagle. I guess it's just that we are in America, and more people recognize the eagle than the maple. Whatever, just keep buying silver in any form, and profit.
One other strange thing I've noticed is that the 1996 American Eagle, the "KEY" date, has been sitting at $79.99 even as silver has rallied by like 10%. I haven't checked today but APMEX hasn't moved the price higher. Shows that people are going for more oz rather than higher collector's value.
A good question wrt gold coins too... I'm 50/50 US/Maples. Just figured the US coins might enjoy a legal/tax advantage in the future, otherwise I'd rather buy Maples.
Don't the silver Eagles carry a higher premium on the buy price too? So it's not like you lose it, it's just built in to the price.
The US market is xenophobic, even in urban wannabe-sophisticate centers.
Compare melt values - Maple is higher content than Liberty.
eagles, maples and libertads....you never know which border you may need to cross one day
Um, where is that store?
Louisville, KY
the Eagles are better looking coins.
sure, the maple leaf side is pretty cool, but the mug of the Queen of England graces the other side, so there
give me Liberty any day
ok.
I have been praying for this day. Now it is here and now I know the end of this scam is over. Get your supplies now. Max Max days are soon upon us. May you all keep safe!
Exactly right just_lite while many say this clownshow continues on basicaly to infinity, the high speed unstable shaking is already taking place and vital parts are about to come flying off this Rube Goldbergian contraption! Buy up supplies, to hell with stocks and bonds and all the rest of the nonsense it will provide you no help!
I Don't own a single stock anymore since a year ago. I have have a few hunded dollars in the bank... the rest of my net worth is in gold and silver... food guns ammo are the most important now. God help us all!
My grandfather used to run Chase Manhatten. I own lots and lots of silver. I think it's awsome. Karma's a bitch!
Your grandpa was CEO of Chase? Why are you blogging and not partying on your own island in the Carribean?
Maybe i'm the moron but i don't spell manhattan that way either... but then again, i'm just a plebian.
A branch at best, or a teller station most likely.
Silver definitely undervalued.
what, is it ten minutes to wapner already?
...now that was funny!!! :)
thanks!
If you look at it the right way the Zero Hedge logo looks like 1:1.
Putting on my 1:1 hat!
price parity is
the tipping point between the
beauty and the beast
The SOFO rates have collapsed again today! Another short squeeze coming? $145 silver in April 2012!!!
There we go. Epic
And its 4-20
4-20!
time to catch an Ag fire!
4-20... and I am doing Lent. c'est la vie.
A more serious question after all the early cracks,
Who will take a bank as large as JPM into receivership when it goes under?
Will it be Goldman Sacs?
or
Will it be a Federal Reserve Bank maybe New York?
or
Will they be broke up and out right on the market and all derivatives unwound by the US Government?
Methinks when JPM collapses, Uncle Sam will also go under at the same time. JPM is such an integral part of the current system that when it fails, the entire system will go with it.
Either way it ends up being manual masturbation. The Fed owns the Fed no?
well, history of psychopaths in charge indictates a possible flow chart...
usgov repeats tbtf whine.
fed loans usgov $ to nationalize jpm.
bill goes to taxpayers as usual.
sudden truth occurs.
there are no taxpayers, they were foreclosed upon.
taxpayers have learned their "legal" tricks, and learn about the common law.
mass changes in the court system as the taxpayers unite.
there are convictions.
20 % of americans stand with the revolts throughout the world.
the fed is dissolved by the fact the people have awoken to the fact the true power is with them just as it has all along.
new world order is replaced with common law world order.
the market takes care of its own as it should.
there is a basic maxim of common law and it will never go away:
ALL MATTERS ARE IN COMMERCE
i'm in the midst of this push to take back the courts.
amazing how we in this movement notice our claims immediately become security instruments that are traded and sold promptly.
we comprehend this means our claims have value.
that means they have standing.
i ugre zh'ers the following:
zh > forums > movers and shakers , you'll see my posts.
visit you tube and request "english freemen court".
rinse and repeat, i mean connect dots and continue education.
take back america's courts.
have we not had enough of this total bs fiat money deal?
.
Come one Tyler. You just flipped the chart.....right? :>)
On a more serious note I've been wondering if JPM is the sacrificial lamb in this next phase of destruction. Or at least a portion of it when it disintegrates and leaves a smoking hole in the ground.
On the other hand, I've been assuming that this Ponzi water carrier (JPM) will be given a lifeline when the time is right.
Here's an odd bit of ...hmm...never mind. I thought the timestamp was exactly the same..
Anyway...I said something similar
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/spot-gold-passes-1500-dollar-plummets#c...
??? is someone messing with timestamps? That one has changed too? ROFL....ain't had a drop...promise.
Poetic, and I would like to know at what price of ounce of Silver, JPM share is going to reach parity with ounce of dirt.
Divide silver price into their derivatives total or the silver price into the BIS "other Metals" total and it turns out to be an astonishing number.
When the strategy changes and the big boys start dancing, the frenzy will be like feeding a hand full of grain to 100 meat hens, when the run for physical really starts.
A Silver Dime will now buy a gallon of Gas where as it's been a Quarter..
spot on. it is a super deflationary time in reality with real money. glad to see you price things as i do. fifty cents gets me a damn nice meal by me!!!!
inflation only affects the FIAT !
precious metals have an intrinsic value that can never be zero.
facts are facts and opinions are like.....
Bravo, Tyler! I think not only poetic but Pathetic as well
I didn't see any of the great (silver shorting) losses in JPM's latest earnings report. Is there anyone savvy enough to explain how they were able to kick that can down the road for those of us who aren't accountants. Is Max K. full of shit?
The only accounts contained in the earnings reports and SEC filings are proprietary trading and subsidiary totals. If JPM has entered into a net short position at the behest of a client or customer (e.g. FED or Treasury) it will never appear in their earnings. If the trade is entered into through some captive off-balance-sheet Maiden Lane black-hole entity then it will never see the light of day, since the FED has printing presses and COMEX can switch to cash settlement.
Hey Guys: JPM = FED; FED = printing press.
No way JPM goes under. Who do you think is shorting all the silver miners? Certainly not hedgies. Both SLW and PSLV are attacked at the same exact time on suppression days. Look it up and learn.
Game about over, hope youre prepared.
This is what the hope is at least. Silver purchasing is the quickening of fiat death. Quick silver indeed. Riding the wave of fiat's destruction.
I think Barry McGuire's original lyrics were Fiat of destruction - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwYNWYaS3bI
Time to get the lipstick out for this pig. The run is just about over. Just bought some October 40 puts to complement my 33 and 37's.
Keep doing what you're doing, assclown. In fact, please double down. We are all rooting for you to buy more puts.
Time to go all in. Bet the farm and more on 300% leverage. You'll get all that you so richly deserve.
I'd buy Apple before doing that. You have to be out of your mind. Even if there is a significant pull back, you are relying on perfect timing. Good luck with that.
I'm gonna mount this on my wall right above the picture of JD and Bernie getting their punishment from Max Keiser.
What a beautiful, beautiful chart! Brought a tear to my eye...from laughing so hard!!! JPM, kiss my ass.
agreed jane. been waiting for *chuckles* the day for some time *chuckles* and now here it is and all i *chuckles* can do is keep chuckling at random!
all crooked banksters can kiss our asses!
*chuckles*
fire is raging through the paper and its not a moment too soon.
amen.
~beautiful
repeat
Saw PSLV go to almost 28% premium on the open this morning. That looks like $57 silver to me.
Yes but you can eat Jamie Dimon. I would suggest skewered over an open fire and marinated with sage and lemon juice.
Can someone please explain why Tyler put up a profile pic of an alligator? Is this some sort of Rorschack thing? What is the meaning?
that was good lunatic, you made me scroll up to look!
+10
Lets use this as a rallying cry to take down the Morgue!
Crash JP Morgan, Charge Silver!
http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2011/03/crash-jp-morgan-charge-silver....
Fat lady sipping some herbal tea, warming up the vocal chords backstage.
Where is Smailes and Methman?????????
PURE AWE
ok, so when do they release the hounds of the mining shares?
They have been strangely silent....haven't they? This has worried me somewhat.
They will continue to be so long as there are paper vehicles for people to invest in. Previous correlations between metals prices and miners were more a function of paper pushers seeking profits for the bull market. If they are able to do that in a way that doesn't require any extra research, many will choose that path.
Their lack of research will ruin them when the paper vehicles collapse, however.
Oil is up over $111. It is the largest cost for Miners. Also many of the miners are negatively impacted by the falling dollar as their currencies rise. They are quiet now but should do well in the long run as they are the 'true printing press'.
Every time this blog gets giddy and partee bitchez happy. Silver gets slapped down. Just saying. BTFD!
Amen. I'm primed and ready. BTFD!
Also if LGD bars are taken out of the chain of integrity they must be verified and sometimes assayed prior to being accepted back into the chain of integrity. LGD bars are not bought if they are outside of the chain of integrity.
BTFD!!!!
so if jpm = fed and jpm is massively short silver, the fed will print to bail jpm which will trigger higher silver prices which will require even more printing, launching a silver moon shot until finally everyone figures out what's going on and sells everything to buy silver sparking a massive almost infinite spike in silver, destroying the fed/jpm/dollar.
We will probably attack another country before that happens.
Don't we need silver to do that?
Sorry this comment not related to topic at all.
Big banks buy all our politicians now, it’s why Obama saved banks.
Wall Street Banks buy candidates. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F03
So far no candidates talking about corporate money problem in elections. Many them bought by corporations. If corporations buy candidates, their stock go up. Corporations don’t like real Teaparty
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/WhyPoliticia...
House speaker Boehner bought by banks and energy company.
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F03
Anyone in Zero Hedge to run in his district? Let’s vote him out.
Ohio’s 8th District includes all of Darke, Miami, and Preble counties, most of Butler and Mercer counties, and the northeastern corner of Montgomery County.
http://politics1.com/oh.htm
Alec Baldwin pansy for Obama now, but he speak about elections for people not corporations.
The bill would allow federal candidates to choose to run for office without relying on large contributions, big money bundlers, or donations from lobbyists, and would be freed from the constant fundraising in order to focus on what people in their communities want.
http://fairelectionsnow.org/about-bill
(Sorry long post, I’ll post several threads)
please DON'T post in several threads...
I hear some people on this blog want to do something, not whine, guess you're not one of them.
And my SLV looks good from 27, thanks zero hedge.
I used to think that there was hope for a political solution. Look up the guy Chip Cravaack. The guy was an ordinary dude. He was furloughed from his job as a pilot and took care of his kids one of whom is autistic while his wife worked for a Danish pharmaceutical. He spent days hanging out with stay at home moms. He was very fiscally conservative and anti-government until he won a seat in the House and went to DC. Now he is concerned about his career and growing power. Changed his number without telling any of his old serf friends.
The only way to fix our problems and DC is not peaceful.
Don't discount Diebold.
will not be long until people will not be wearing jewelery.......damn who knew these past 15 years my wife was just looking at out for us with all the jewelery she made me buy
F U C K jpm†
4/20
Now that's poetic! On 4-20-11 the SLA has surpassed it's evil nemesis JPM. Only fitting it's done today.lol It's a celebration bitchez...at 4:20 ET!
Poetic with a hint of Schadenfreude :D
Unless JPM posted a loss reserve for its silver position on its financial statement, it seems fair to presume that JPM is acting for and will be indemnified by the Fed for all silver losses.
$45
4/20...MY FRIENDS.....
WHERE GOING TO HAVE A HOOT TODAY..!!!
Fuck you Jammie Demon.
in terms of real US money (US Mint-produced gold & silver coinage), prices are going down = deflation. people have this money, already. nothing needs to "re-set" and we don't need a "new currency which will be commodity based" for you to use this currency.
hopefully you have already started trading FRN's for these legal coins. if not, they are priced in FRNs today: 1 oz gold = $1503.50 1 oz silver = $44.96 the actual coins cost more, especially from dealers.
US -based homo economicus is all about deciding what to do with the green stamps, right? those of us with too few to screw around may be somewhat fortunate to be able to see quite clearly how to freaking survive, here.
people who weigh their FRNs rather than count them may be waaayyy too "smart" to put every dime they can get their paws on into silver. too "risky" to do that, besides, these bond funds are still doing quite well, compared to when we bought them, dahlink...
yeaaaa slew! once one is rid of plague paper, the deflation is quite glorious!
hi ho silver, shine forth the truth!
gas was a quarter, soon to be a dime!
woo hoo!
I'm buying more silver today just because, you know...
Poetry indeed. I want this on a t-shirt as it pretty much sums up my minor obsession of the last few months. Regardless of trade-ability or the prospect of crashing the morgue, the art represents the meme. There is beauty in destruction as there is in creation. This graph is a two dimensional representation of an n-dimensional topic, taken out of time to be celebrated and reflected upon. It is the tourist's picture taken from the deck of the Titanic of that pretty and awe inspiring iceberg way over there.
Agree
The wheels of justice grind slow, but they grind exceedingly fine, eh Jamie?
I think that price is too high
Michael Douglas will show 'em, falling down style.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59681483@N04/5636087817/
One share of JP Morgan, huge silver shorts, nasty derivatives portfolio and is living off of bailouts and accounting tricks....how much?
Wrong answer.
50 cent.
...looks like; the jaws of a blind deaf and insane foreclosed Florida reptile about to hatchet everybody, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSa8IWWXX5k or the devil's canyon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZJx5HyUkgQ&feature=related