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Poll: Most Americans Strongly Oppose U.S. Intervention in Arab Countries
The U.S. started mobiliziling forces in the Middle East/Northern Africa area during the Egyptian protests, and American forces have grown larger in response to Gaddafi's murderous attacks on his own people. And see this.
The Pakistan Observer reports today:
The
United States, Britain and France have sent several hundred “defence
advisors” to train and support the anti-Gadhafi forces in oil-rich
Eastern Libya where “rebels armed groups” have apparently taken over.According
to an exclusive report confirmed by a Libyan diplomat in the region
“the three Western states have landed their “special forces troops in
Cyrinacia and are now setting up their bases and training centres” to
reinforce the rebel forces who are resisting pro-Qaddafi forces in
several adjoining areas.A Libyan official who requested not to
be identified said that the U.S. and British military gurus were sent on
February 23 and 24 night through American and French warships and
small naval boats off Libyan ports of Benghazi and Tobruk.The
Western forces are reportedly preparing to set-up training bases for
local militias set-up by the rebel forces for an effective control of
the oil-rich region and counter any push by pro- Qaddafi forces from
Tripoli.Other reports claim that efforts to “neutralize” the
Libyan Air Force were also underway to limit Qaddafi’s rule in Tripoli
if not fully uprooted from the country.Meanwhile, three Indian Navy warships, are also being dispatched to be deployed in the rebel-held areas of Libya.
According
to reports the Indian Navy has already sent two warships plus one its
largest amphibious vessel INS Jalashwa. According to defence experts
“Jalshwa” is the largest ship of Indian Navy which was delivered by the
U.S. four years ago. Jalashwa, formaly the USS Trenton, has the
capability to embark, transport & land various elements of an
amphibious force & its equipped with mechanised landing craft, Sea
King helicopters & armed with raders, ship to air missiles &
rapid firing guns.Experts say that Indian ship Jalashwa has a
Landing Platform Dock with a capability 1000 fully armed troops. The
warship is also used for maritime surveillance, special operations,
search & rescue and to undertake other tasks.
But - as Rasmussen notes - Americans are strongly opposed to military or other types of intervention:
As
with the recent turmoil in Egypt, most Americans (67%) say the United
States should leave the situation in the Arab countries alone. Just 17%
say the United States should get more directly involved in the political
situation there, but another 17% are not sure.
If America invades Libya, the excuse will no doubt be that it is a
humanitarian mission to save the Libyan people from their insane,
genocidal leader. The U.S. said the same thing about Saddam Hussein
(who - like Gaddafi - was an insane, genocidal leader).
But remember that Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.
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Excellent post. thanks for this. Makes you sick to think about how corrupt and cold blooded those in power become (or more likely it's a self-selection process).
That would explain the 3 flat panels at home, and the 2 V-8 SUVs in the garage.
Not all of us. I walk to work and threw out my TV. Some of us have decided to participate in this circus as little as is possible.
What's the % of Congress that were incumbants? 90%? Fucking Cuba up here.
I would walk to work, but it might take awhile to walk 25 miles
Poll: Would you rather have continued intervention in Arab countries, or $10 a gallon gas?
Hey, the ponzi is good for something right. As much as we talk sh*t, they keep the black gold flowing.
10 gas would force us to innovate......it can be done
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Arming the War Department is really good business, providing hundreds of billions of dollars in profits to the ruling class and occasional rumors of peace are bad news.
Pretty scary stuff, peace.
That great democrat, Franklin Roosevelt, signs into law the Smith Act which makes it a crime in the United States to "knowingly or wilfully advocate, abet, advise, or teach the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence," or to...
"organize...any...assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any government in the United States by force or violence."
Apparently neither Roosevelt nor the drafters of the Smith Act had ever heard of America's Founding Fathers, many of whom regarded the overthrowing of government by force of arms as a sacred right of the American people.
Neither had they heard of Abraham Lincoln who said, "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
Honest Abe and the Founding Fathers notwithstanding, the U.S. government uses the Smith Act in its ongoing suppression of political dissent in the United States and the repression of anyone who holds out an alternative to the capitalist system, most notably socialists and godless commies.
The Smith Act had been proposed by Congressman Howard W. Smith of Virginia, a leader of the "anti-labor" bloc in Congress.
From 1941 to 1957, hundreds of socialists, communists and union activists are prosecuted under the Smith Act.
In fact, very few of the accused actually advocated violent overthrow of the U.S. government at all.
Many were prosecuted simply on such grounds as that "they conspired....to organize as the Communist (TeaBag) Party and willfully to advocate and teach the principles of Marxism-Leninism." (Ron Paul)
Americans were also hauled into court accused of, gasp, conspiring to... "publish and circulate....books, articles, magazines and newspapers advocating the principles of Marxism-Leninism."
Ever wonder if a 70 year old "LAW" might be used against bloggers?
Imagine that, organizing a political party not sanctioned by the ruling class or advocating economic principles not sanctioned by the ruling class.
Off with their heads!
Many of the victims of anti-democratic repression under the Smith Act are given hefty prison sentences, up to five years, for their political and economic views.
Yup!... 'They' got that dissident angle covered along time ago.
On this one issue I would beg to differ with you. Here, we have a big humanitarian problem. This despot has killed over 1000 of his own. He has displaced 100 000 reugees in neighbouring countries. The country is up in arms agains him but cannot fight his airforce and mercenary army around Tripoli bunker. The UN is clear on their mission. It is now being executed on a multiparty basis. EU+USA+India. This is now a clear signal that the ground rules are changing. USA will not act alone to impose Imperium, unilaterally. So lets hope it works with minimum blood shed. The oil belongs to the people. Lets hope they'll have a representative govt. soon. In any case it won't be worse than current regime. We are seeing a wind of change now blowing away old regimes and allowing expression of the new Internet generation of these countries.
Oil issues and geopolitical issues are secondary. This is primarily humanitarian and people oriented as in Egypt and Tunisia. It needs support from people all over the world.
How big is it? Is more people killed and displaced turning a 'problem' into a bigger humanitarian problem? How many people are required to justify intervention?Just wondering. Of course, I already know the easy answer usually performed by propagandists: yes, and intervention should have been done elsewhere when it happened.
Millions of displaced people in Congo warfare, in 2008, 1 million people sent on the roads, no intervention. Killed since the beginning of 2000: 5 millions people.
Ivory Coast: killed plus displaced. Intervention?
And it is useless to speak about the US invasion of Iraq that sent more than one million Iraqis abroad, creating population pressure in neighbouring countries.
Since your active support for 'humanitarian intervention' is selective, then geopolitical issues are not secondary in your way of thinking.
Oil issues are primary. The UN decision is determined by players that have vested interests in the oil market. The two only countries one can expect a more detached voting are Russia and China, which are going to be pressured into adopting a motion. All the others are deeply influence by oil interests and access to Libya.
How many Afghan women and children are now more "free" because of the presence of Coalition of Heroin Exports? Oops, I meant, freedom loving troops and "contractors".
How many Iraqis had to die so that the remainder can enjoy the oil profits?
That's the profits less costs of our intrepid contractors rebuilding everything we destroyed for them, irrc?
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So lets hope it works with minimum blood shed. The oil belongs to the people. Lets hope they'll have a representative govt. soon. In any case it won't be worse than current regime. We are seeing a wind of change now blowing away old regimes and allowing expression of the new Internet generation of these countries.
Oil issues and geopolitical issues are secondary. This is primarily humanitarian and people oriented as in Egypt and Tunisia. It needs support from people all over the world
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They don t want that help...do you honestly believe this is a humanitarian issue ?? that Oil is secondary ???? gotta be kidding...
I hope against hope that what you say is true. But the historical cynic whispers in my ear... NEVER are "Oil issues and geopolitical issues secondary."
But as the saying goes..."hope is the refuge of fools".
This is obviously a pre-organised move approved at UN level. Where US, EU and new player India flex muscle to take out a despot that is universally disapproved as shows the UN decision. This is an expression of the multilateral NWO where USA is not alone on military expeditions but on a JV basis. It makes it less expensive for the Defense department. They do have budget problems.
Bingo!!
It also explains why we didn't make overt military moves on day one. Not only did we not want a hostage crisis, but we also wanted to make clear that we didn't feel compelled to be the world's policeman any longer. It sent a message to London, Rome, Paris and Berlin that this was their backyard and the blood would be on their hands.
The first evidence I've seen for the reversal of the Bush Doctrine of nation building. Good job Mr. President.
imo, it is not a good job. support by old and new colonial powers for the rebels destroys their moral authority, their strongest weapon. let the arabs fight it out. we will muck it up and hurt our own interests. trade and aid (and the latter through intermediaries where possible). we are not a brand with foreign, especially third world, loyalty.
Poll: Most Americans strongly favor the new Chevy Volt and its 25 miles of drive time between charges.
it's a bad mistake to just do nothing. food for oil is the right policy for arabia.
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Maybe intervention will create a few more jobs ?
maybe one day pigs will fly
Poll: Most Americans voted for Obama.
I thought most of the Americans that voted, we've been told, voted for Diebold, I mean what's his name, you know the guy on the fence.
It might (or might not) be true that most US voters voted for Obama, but (please let it be true) most citizens did not vote for Obama because most don't vote.
china sending 4 military transports to lybia.
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Poll: most americans believed that Obama would bring some hopey-changey stuff, instead of what he actually brought: 4 more years of Bush, mixed with a bunch of Clinton retreads.
Correction: A slim majority believed he would do that.
You're kidding, right? You don't remember all the tears on inauguration day? ..and subsequent MSM gushing? C'mon!
he got a slim (53%) majority, not all of whom believed in the hopey changey. that there were tears and msm gushing, while true, is not contradictory of the original point. p.s. they're crying all over again now. bitter tears.
oopse double post
Isn't it interesting that the subtitle on the top of the page is:
"Are you listening, Pentagon?" what does that say about our "democracy"?<
LOL! Like the Military Industrial Complex ever gave a sh*t what the American people think.
they cared more when they had to chase draftees down.
p.s. if the iraq war was about oil, why were all the people involved in the genesis of the idea (william kristol, robert kagan, ariel sharon, paul wolfowitz, robert zoellick) hard core zionists with only the top few (bush, cheney) having even a passing relationship with the oil industry?
"with only the top few (bush, cheney) having even a passing relationship with the oil industry?"
LOL!!!!
Only "a passing relationship"??
You are either dumber than a bag of rocks or so immersed in your anti-semitism you have only a passing relationship with Reality.
As this is Zero Hedge, it's most likely both.