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Porsche Takes Top Spot...
Can you believe Porsche placed at the top of a J.D. Power long-term dependability study? Rising from ninth place last year? The annual study measures problems experienced by the original owners of vehicles after three years.
Last year, Buick and Jaguar tied for first- however, this year Buick came in third, tied with Lexus. And Jaguar well, maybe it's gone the ways of Jaguars' past? Despite improvements, changes of ownerships and all-new models- I will never put Jaguar and the word dependable in the same sentence without recalling the days when people bought two of them- one to drive whilst the other was in the shop.
The industry average was 155 problems per 100 vehicles- a slight decline from 167 problems per 100 cars last year.
J.D. Power's survey studied more than 52,000 original owners of 2007 model-year vehicles between October and December 2009- and the statistic is often used in advertising. Though, I don't know how many Porschephiles will brag how dependable their Porsches are...
I really don't put too much weight on this statistic, though I find it interesting. See, with a car like a Porsche, which is typically a second or third car, (read limited use in most cases) and the fact that it's a status symbol, a trophy, in high regard with its more-likely-than-not enthusiast driver- I don't know how reliable the owner is in this case (in terms of reporting a problem, that is).
What they consider a problem, and what the driver of say a Toyota or Buick consider a problem... Are two very different things. And take into account the ways these cars are driven, one everyday to work, and the other for pleasure on weekends only- well, you're more likely to think your everyday grind car is problematic than your prized sports car that you drive for pleasure on weekends.
I guess it all boils down to perspective, and not a hard statistic after all.
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Exactly ...about the way they are driven.
Just how many sit in traffic jams, have to do lots of start stops, gear changes etc.
They are used in a completely different way and I bet far less demanding on the mechanics of the car
Looks more like a scam by "financially challenged" Porche owners to help them unload their "trophy" at a higher price. Maybe they can do like Lehman and sell them to each other at marked up prices to help boost resale prices even more!
And now the truth comes out
All of the neighbor's front lawns that have been dug up by the tires of Toyota, Prius and, yes, Lexus.
The shruberry shedded with no explanation --- no appology --- only hidden guilt.
How long have the breaks been failing?
How long has the accelerator stuck floored to the metal?
Denial is not only a river in Egypt
But with the discovery of failure by the mistake - less Japanese -- who abhor failure to such an extent that confession is unthinkable ---this discovery brings the sweet release from the burden of denial
And release from the mantra that Toyotas are Just Better --- hat The Prius is "Green" while all the while destroying tree bark that was needed to stop.
Former owners can now blink into the sunlight of reality for the first time. And buy a Ford
No question that a lot of Porsches live their lives as garage queens in America and Canada. This is NOT the case in Europe, but to the point:
I own and drive a turbo Carrera, I drive the shit out of it all the time as a daily driver when there's not snow on the ground, and it does not break.
Owned plenty of sports cars, and there is NO comparison. Drive a new 'Vette the way I drive my car and you'd have a lump of smouldering fiberglass in no time. Just sayin'
"garage queens" I like that... Having lived in both the US and Canada, I can say the US is a little more restrictive on driving. I lived in SF Bay Area and NY and the number of speed traps, planes, radar, laser etc. etc. make driving over 55 fairly risky. In Canada, I can at least drive the car without constantly having to worry about police every 5-10 km. NYS needs the revenue...
Europe is far more "civilized" when it comes to driving.
And motorcycling as well.
Sport bike riders are still considered criminals in the US.
Exactly my Carrera experience, but I had an older Corvette and that machine took a good pounding as well. I'd own either one.
this is how a GT3 takes the corners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXpnnjlwj7A
My 924 almost does that. Well,...when there is too much slack in the tow rope.
I used a GT3 as a track car for two years. It ate tires and pads, and did around 8mpg on track, but the machine was perfect and never gave me a single problem, despite continually being driven to the redline in the harshest manner.
Porche has has a reputation as a super-reliable car for a long time, particularly when compared to other cars with its same performance (and they are usually cheaper as well).
But I wonder for how much longer, are they all going to jail for manipulating VW stock price?
I drive an '09 Carrera 100 miles nearly every day. Never had a problem. Satisfaction level is a 10. The new PDK is the bee's knees for commuting.
http://new.music.yahoo.com/sammy-hagar/tracks/i-cant-drive-55--603605
911 Carrera-80,000 miles, a/c broke at 60,000, radio at 70,000. Other than normal maintenance, a $2,500 clutch replacement, due to a foxy girl friend that I let drive it (it was worth it) no major repairs.
I'd do it again if I didn't have a sharp eye, and a soft spot for the new Maserati on CNBC's "Call the Close", contest prize.
I have to say I've owned four porches in the last six years. They were the most undependable car I've ever owned (and I've owned many). From oil guzzler (1 quart for every 800 miles) for my 2006 Cayenne Turbo to my Anniversary Edition 911. Plus from a technology point of view on the inside they are far behind. Still a great car to drive but>>>>>
Clearly your 2006 Touareg Turbo had an engine that was problematic. I had a 911 Turbo (i.e. a "Porsche") and it sucked down oil just like every other 911 - that did not mean it was "undependable".
You didn't say what the problem was with your Anniversary edition 911 (I'm assuming that's a 40th anniversary 996 Carrera)...or what the problems were with your other Porsches.
As for the insides, I enjoyed the fact that my car concentrated more on the car and less on the bells and whistles inside. 911's are not meant to be living-rooms-on-wheels, with every convenience within arms reach (that's what a Touareg is for).
You've got the problem reporting thing backwards: Owners of luxury automobiles (more specifically, high-end sports cars) are far more likely to report problems than the average owner.
Why? Because when you pay through the nose for something, you want to make sure every part of it works correctly.
I will not speak for the garage queen owners, those who seldom use their automobiles.
Turbo's eat oil... http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php?/topic/24704-oil-leaks-on-my-03-turbo/
like Ferrari's used to leak oil... (controlled seepage?)http://www.birdmanferrari.com/service/Gear_oil/gear_oil_change.htm
for those of us old enough to have suffered such things.
If you want a great car... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyUYI2sdJSI
Thats a 10 second 2 tonn car... I have owned 2 cl55's with mods... RennTech is located in Palm Beach County as well Moroso... Road course and straight line. Break upgrades recomended... staggered rim size you will hate (after a while).
The best off the showroom floor car I have every owned.. with almost no problems was a 430 lexus. Dont get me wrong its a boring car, but with commuting from Palm Beach to Jacksonville ( I dont line flying, King Air or Navajo included) the Lexus was fantastic. The fastest I have ever made the trip from Jax to PB... was not in one of my CL's... it was in a 745il circa 2004 or 5 maybe... and that car would move (at speed), nibble... it felt like a 2 door M3 (with power or power at the top end to be clear)... But that BMW was a 1980's Jag... if you know what I mean.. the engine was perfect... but the wiring, just shoot yourself. I am looking at the new twin 6's turbo's... http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/7series/sedan/2005/allfacts/engine_v12_petrol.html
I will let you know if I pull the trigger what it behaves like.
Be well fellow car people, JW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AfMQuVlw7M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9d9YY8bcL4
I have owned a VW, Mercury, Honda, 2 Mercedes, an Acura and Boxster. Of all these cars, I spent the least amount on average annual maintenance and repairs over the years on the Porsche. The Mercury, my college car, was the worst. 1st and last time I bought American. The I hope my 1999 Boxster keeps running another 10 years. I bought is as a weekend car, but enjoyed driving it too much so it is not a garage baby, particularly with our great weather. Bumper to bumper traffic, of course, is not a lot of fun. However, since the economy imploded, I rarely see bumper to bumper traffic anymore.
A little HUMOR / For all those old enough to remember, back when Jaguars where really Jaguars (we had a couple E-Types). The going joke back then was (1970's): Who was it that created DARKNESS? British Leland & Bosch.
We remember the stories, that if you owned a Jag, you'd be driving down the highway, and all of a sudden you'd hit a bump, and the entire "electronics" (lights, engine, everything) would just go dark and the cars would drift over to the side of the road (in total darkness). You'd either have to tow the Jags into the shop, or wait until the wiring system would cool down and the car would restart. Hilarious. British Leland never thought so, but it made for great stories.
Today on the other hand, we have stuck accelerators, teleprompter Presidents, and Fed manipulation in markets. Oh, how we miss the old days...
Markets don't do what you think they should = manipulation.
There can't be a logical reason or anything.
My favorite car was a 68 green MGB.
Hated the bottle carbs though..
then it was motorcycles, ninjas
Then it was marriage, life over...
Love my Cayenne. 4th Porsche.
Porsches are something best not discussed on this blog. It would be like discussing cooking, gardening, painting, or some such esoterica. You either get what Porsche's are about, or you don't.
If you are a car person? cars are always GREAT! to talk about... sorry you dont get it? But hey! there are 1,000 other threads you can be a downer on... or try to boss people around on? telling people what they should not talk about... in a public forum? Really? Seriously? No… Really?
Cars? talking cars on a car thread? yeah! bad form, totally!
What should we talk about on a car thread? Trucks?
What would you have us talk about that would not offend your sensibilities?
This is the first light hearted thread I have seen / read here… and it was nice to be able to be positive for a change.
“It would be like discussing cooking, gardening, painting, or some such esoterica.”
Art for some comes on four wheels… and is a happy place… this is a happy thread try not to dip it in your pool of negativity just to bring everyone else down. Everyone here except you was happy, always one in the bunch, right?
Don’t be that “Guy”… that guy is an asshat, killjoy and / or insert other here ( ______________ ).
As for a drivable (daily), reliable and dare I say FUN! Porches work well… I am no “Porschephile” (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&ei=Dc-iS-C5G8-UtgfZqvSKCg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CA0QBSgA&q=Porschephile&spell=1&fp=b0392b745bc1178e ) but I like them and have had great luck with a couple… my first a 928s4 back in 87 -88? Maybe…
You guys are fricken nuts. Give me a four door Cadi loaded to the gills with frills. Put any top pedigree in the back seat and eat till your jaws lock up. Good pussy don't do buckets. Back doors are a necessity if she is an Afghan or a German shepherd. The only reason to own a Porsche is that you ain't got nothing else to do and nowhere to go. Get a Deville and bend her legs back to her head. These idiots that rate cars for a living live in states where you can marry your left hand.
However, I will take a 1970 Mercury to a drive-in any time.
Junkyard,
1) http://goldpassport.hyatt.com/gp/en/index.jsp
2) Valet parking
3) Room Service
Great pussy don't do car sex.
Or.... http://www.sportscarmarket.com/articles/archives/1018
http://www.thebreakers.com/?ad=google&keyword=breakers_hotel_palm_beach&camp=Branded_Terms&gclid=CISV2-nuw6ACFc1X2godXWTZaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2062-bElMG0
Tub it... chop it... and then put something big under the hood with twin screws or turbos... so that is doesn't stick out... 3 tonn sleeper...
Big cars or I have had 3 Ford Trucks... that worked as well...
As for a Cadi... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYsrXGbBMGA&feature=related
or anything with wings... http://cars.88000.org/wallpapers/24/Cadillac_Eldorado_Brougham_1957.jpg
of course you said 4 doors but I think we all could struggle with just 2 for this beauty...
Be well my friend, JW
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