Portugal Bund Spreads Even Wider Following Substantially Reduced Bill Auction And Much Higher Auction Yield, CDS Hits Record

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Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:42 | 215826 Kissy Ass
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Zany, zealous, zippy, zonked. Brilliant work. Zero is the greatest.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:45 | 215830 Jim in MN
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Wed, 02/03/2010 - 13:44 | 216058 Anonymous
Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:48 | 215834 Brother Revegen...
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How DEEP is this portuguese abyss?

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:49 | 215836 godfader
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Where are all those idiots who said they will convert all their USD to EUR when it was trading north of 1.50? So quiet now.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:24 | 215906 Stranger
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The structure of the Euro system actually makes the deflation debt apocalypse that has been promised everywhere possible there.

The EU does not collect taxes. Hence, it cannot issue debt on these taxes. Hence, it cannot bail out any member country.

Germany is not going to bail out other countries. That would be like Texas bailing out California, unthinkable and impossible.

The PIGS are not going to withdraw from the Euro. To seize control of the currency, states have to be at the peak of their power, typically during war-time. The PIGS are at the trough of their power. They are clinging to life and can't make people do anything.


Buying Euros may be the gamble that pays off the biggest this year.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 13:02 | 215979 yabs
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if greece defaults and other pigs follow

and take back their original currency

wouldn't the euro go down?

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 14:40 | 216165 Stranger
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What makes you think they have the power to take back their original currency?

It takes a ruthlessly united government to seize control of the currency, the kind that only exists in war-time.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 14:53 | 216184 Anonymous
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"The structure of the Euro system actually makes the deflation debt apocalypse that has been promised everywhere possible there . . .

Buying Euros may be the gamble that pays off the biggest this year."

And Latvia is arguably the EU member that is furthest along in its debt & wage deflation, so buying the Latvian lat (LVL) should be an even better gamble!

The forex speculators can't attack it because they can't borrow it anywhere.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:50 | 215837 bugs_
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Look, its Haley's Comet!

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:51 | 215840 Cognitive Dissonance
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Who woulda thunk the latest tremors would begin in Europe?

The fact that "suddenly" (meaning over the past few months) they're having serious problems leads me to think either they want these problems to occur as an excuse for the collapse they knew they could never stop or they are deliberately pushing these patsy countries over the brink as an excuse............

Ideas anyone? I'll listen to any you have to offer except ones that claim "coincidences" which I gave up believing in shortly after Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny abandoned me. 

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 13:55 | 216076 bokapita
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Remember where you heard it first:

  1. The eurocrats in Brussels want and believe there should be a federal europe with themselves in charge. This is, if anything, a quasi theological belief that is not subject to any empirical evidence to the contrary.
  2. As someone correctly pointed out, the peripheral countries (PIIGS) and quite possibly others, have been coerced rrather tightly into the German/French sphere of influence via the euro.
  3. The eurocrats desire for federation does not care about any little anomalies standing in its way such as democracy.
  4. The peripheral countries have a choice: (a) conform to German monetary and fiscal rules and stay in the euro or (b) refuse to do so, exit, and face a future of being either reduced to being de jure (rather than the current de facto) junior members of the federation or bought for cash by aforesaid German / French interests and thereby achieving the status of colonies.
  5. Either way the PIIGS countries get pushed into line and Brussels wins. The germans are not worried about the Brussels beaurocracy because ultimately Germany has the economic whiphand. The French are not worried about the BB because that beaurocracy was designed and built in France and only the French know how it works.

Thus, with a superb mix of condescention and 'we know best' the central powers of Europe will gain effective control of a new empire. I mean, we are looking at a deal here: let's not fight any more, let's just rule it between ourselves.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:56 | 215851 cerpintax
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I can´t help to notice (as a portuguese) that you misspelled Portugal in the title!

In the other hand, keep up the good work...



Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:59 | 215854 Zombie Investor
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Oh boy, pour me a Cockburn.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:02 | 215860 Bylinka (not verified)
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Every effort is being taken in order to distract attention from USD, which is next in the domino row. Let the EURO fail, and may everyone buy dollars and USTs; but once the purchases will have been completed and the people are sitting on the wads of newly printed FRNs and USTs, what's next, where to invest? that is the question...  

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:09 | 215873 Anonymous
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If you have read this site, you should know where..

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:10 | 215877 Anonymous
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Meanwhile, US debt ceiling is increased by 1.9 trillion to 14.3 trillion .....

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:16 | 215887 Miles Kendig
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Give me leave to rail at you, -
I ask nothing but my due:
To call you false, and then to say
You shall not keep my heart a day.
But alas! against my will
I must be your captive still.
Ah! be kinder, then, for I
Cannot change, and would not die.
Kindness has resistless charms;
All besides but weakly move;
Fiercest anger it disarms,
And clips the wings of flying love.
Beauty does the heart invade,
Kindness only can persuade;
It gilds the lover's servile chain,
And makes the slave grow pleased again.

John Wilmot

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:16 | 215890 john_connor
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Tick Tock.  Tick Tock.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:20 | 215897 Anonymous
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Gold bitches

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:34 | 215923 Anonymous
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Wed, 02/03/2010 - 13:04 | 215981 Zina
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Os gajos estão a se foder, ora pois...

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 13:09 | 215991 cerpintax
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Nice comment Zina...

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 13:13 | 216001 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's all Greek to me, Dude. I know I'm just a ugly American but could you please translate into English, considering this is an English language web site?

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 13:22 | 216020 cerpintax
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Something like "they (portuguese) are getting screwed, as expected..." this is an interpretation, portuguese language is litle bit dubious.

The real problem for Europe will be Spain and, in a worst case scenario, UK but that is IMO.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 14:21 | 216121 Zina
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That was with a characteristic accent from Portugal (at least the stereotyped accent that we, Brazilians, used to believe that people in Portugal have).

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 14:34 | 216153 Anonymous
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I believe the literal translation is "they (working class) are getting fucked, as usual. It would appear that the Portuguese model is similar in structure to the US model.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 14:32 | 216149 Anonymous
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You'd think somebody who tries to act as smart as you do, CD, would know that Google has a translate feature built into the search page now. It's less work than asking the board....

Just saying....

Thu, 02/04/2010 - 09:58 | 216941 Cognitive Dissonance
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"...tries to act as smart as you do, CD,.."

As opposed to you, who are actually smart without really trying, right?

I make observations that apply to the world and how we deal with it, not just financial or economic. I'm the first to admit that I'm only scratching the surface and that I do everything I claim others do. I often speak using the words "I" and "we" to include myself in the subject, both because I am talking about myself and so as not to offend.

And you remain anonymous so that you can snip yet be invisible. Cowardly is what I would call it. At least I stick my neck out and can be identified and also searched for prior comments and history. You can get an ID and avatar and yet remain anonymous. So what's stopping you? Oh, that's right, so you can remain unaccountable.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 14:37 | 216158 TraderMark
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"Don't worry, he Happy"

Spain will be the real fun... Portugal is actually a smaller economy than Greece.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 15:02 | 216201 Anonymous
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The Siesta is a Spanish thing... check your facts before playing smart-ass next time ;)

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 15:13 | 216221 Anonymous
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Widened another 23bps (eonia+90) after the auction...Not a lot of DV01 out there 2 pay though. With VGH0/EUR trying to break lower (albeit on crap volume) not gonna be pretty in Lisbon tom.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 15:58 | 216288 Anonymous
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Who sells these CDS? How crazy do you have to be to keep issuing them?!

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 16:43 | 216341 omi
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Weeeeee! it did a cup and handle thingy.

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