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Portugal Is Outtahere: Country Sells 6 Month Bills At Ridiculous 5.117%, 12 Month At 5.902%, Social Security Fund Stuck With Bill

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Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:17 | 1140056 HamyWanger
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I heard Portuguese chicks are hot. Maybe we should invite them to the US of A, where nothing seems to trouble either the US consumer or NFLX, both scoring fresh 52-week highs.... 


Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:04 | 1140149 Manthong
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Wow! I think they found a solution to all of our problems. Since pension plans have all of that money piled up they can now fund government!

Why, we can do that here, too. The Social Security trust fund lock box file cabinet is overflowing with valuable reserves.

We don't need no stinkin' Fed.

I can finally go and sell all of my metal now.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:37 | 1140250 pazmaker
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no but look for them to fund it with IRA's and 401K's

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 09:37 | 1140421 TO
Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:12 | 1140180 Sudden Debt
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Portugese "woman" have mustaches just like the Greek "woman".

So if you're into that... go ahead! They are all yours!



Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:21 | 1140203 youngman
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Do they have those nise big black rubber boots..like the Polish women do...I love that..a mustache and rubber boots....man o man

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:40 | 1140253 Sudden Debt
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I like my woman silky smooth. The only hair I'll tolerate is a landing strip on Venus Hill.


Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:18 | 1140060 TexDenim
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The Merchant of Lisbon is having a field day! Buying bonds from nations in Europe is a no-brainer! Give me as many as you can print! They will make good eventually. Portugal has lasted nearly a millenium as a nation. I'll get my principle back eventually, and in the meantime I've got a ridiculous coupon. Do it now!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:24 | 1140066 lance_manion
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A man may temporarily forgo his principles, but will you get your principal back?  :)

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:11 | 1140171 Sudden Debt
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principals don't get you pussy ;)


Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:27 | 1140078 Hedge Jobs
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hmmm...precious metals or portugese bonds? think ill stick to PMs TD but thanks for the tip!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:18 | 1140061 falak pema
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No they have a lot of empty houses. They're counting on those rich Japs settling their northern cousins from Fukushima on the Portuguese coastal towns where it's all up for grabs! real estate bonanza and japanese industry coming to Purtugaaal!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:17 | 1140062 Miles Kendig
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Smoke 'em if ya got 'em

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:19 | 1140063 Tense INDIAN
Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:21 | 1140068 israhole
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Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:26 | 1140075 Tense INDIAN
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the two charts looks same .....



Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:31 | 1140086 israhole
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Thanks.  It looks EXACTLY the same!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 18:31 | 1143097 Hephasteus
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Nice charts. Right on about the dollar. It'll break 75 and then hit 74 and then it's off to never been this fucking worthless in history land.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:31 | 1140080 The Profit Prophet
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Here's some feedback: you're an extremely stupid person if you think you can fool the ZH community with this type of post.

Go hock your wares someplace else!

T.E.I.N. everyone!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:35 | 1140087 israhole
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Btw, what is TEIN?

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:41 | 1140259 Jim in MN
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TEOTWAWKI is here so XYZ and CYA, is what I think it means.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:51 | 1140121 Hedge Jobs
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the only site you need is ZH and listen to common sense. stop looking at things (PMs) as if they are going up but rather as the USD going down.the USD is possibly in the early stages of collapse. thats what you need to hedge against. have a look at USD against PM's the AUD CAD CHF or any other currency that is not being debased. No you wont see it in the DXY becuse its compared to other junk fiats like the EUR and JPY.  If / when QE3 is announced that could be the catalyst for a larger scale USD collapse . The USD has become like a hot potatoe and no one wants to be left holding the toilet paper when everyone else realises its true value, which in the end will be zero.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:07 | 1140161 TaxSlave
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Yeah, what Hedge Jobs said.  I didn't incur the debt, and I'm not paying it.  And I'm not storing any of my savings in paper currency that someone else can just print while I have to slave away to get every dime.

That should about sum up what's going on and what's going to happen.  You can probably time what's going to happen by gauging the percentage of common people that come to the same conclusion.  Watch out for critical mass.  The canoe is going to get dumped.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:23 | 1140216 youngman
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I wish they would talk about more than only the Euro/Dollar  ratio....two failing curriencies makes it look the world is AOK.....maybe it shoudl be the Dollar vs gold....or some other standard....one ounce of gold does not change...then the sheeple will see their dollar or EURO crashing....

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:24 | 1140069 max2205
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How long can they do this. 4 years so far No end in sight. CBs are doing a great job of kicking cans. Better than I could have imagined

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:27 | 1140079 Sudden Debt
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Looking to Japan = Decades more.


Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:30 | 1140084 Popo
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Look to to the USSR = The better part of a century

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:24 | 1140070 Thomas
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Portugal doesn't need a bailout; they're creditors need a bailout. Consequently, they decide to steal the money from some pension fund. If I were a pensioner in Portugal, I would be lockin' and loadin'.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:25 | 1140071 SAME AS IT EVER WAS

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:26 | 1140077 Sudden Debt
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I was just talking to a Portugese collegue of mine over there and when we broke this subject, he was convinced that new elections will solve it all.

Default is something they don't believe in, and the real cause according to him was that private companies sucked to much on the state it's tits. But now the realise it's over with free money, all will be well....


I felt he didn't needed extra info about that. At least they still believe there is hope.

But it was clear that it was because of all those private companies who get to much money. I think it was Lenin ans Stalin who said about the same kind of stuff.... but that's another story :)



Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:36 | 1140088 TheGreatPonzi
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Same thing in Paris. If you just suppose the French government *may* default, everybody looks at you like you're a mad man, and say that there is still lot of wealth that can be taken from private companies. 

I think people will get what they deserve... 

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:46 | 1140109 falak pema
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If Sarkozy is in Africa it is to make sure that France has LT access to critical RM. Like in the past, but now, not on the back of STATE corporations but on the back of PRIVATE corporations (Total, Bouygues, Bollore, Areva, Eads, etc.).

This is the NWO's new mantra. Let the multinationals build our future. We are now irreversibly in a TWO tier economy world wide. The Oligarchy (1%) will defend its world wide interests. Even WB now openly admits it! He says USA now a plutocracy. Who can contradict the Oracle of Omaha!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:55 | 1140131 Global Hunter
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Absolutely!  This Ouattara guy who supposedly won the election and who the French and UN back is a former IMF guy.  Ivory Coast by African standards has excellent ports and infrastructure. 

When my wife met me she knew nothing about politics and markets just had no interest, just the other day when we saw the news on the Ivory Coast reported on from a pro "the west is there to help democracy for the people" slant, she said "Heart of Darkness all over again".  She is right on the money.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:23 | 1140215 magpie
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Little Sarko preparing us for the PetroEuro, or even the CocoaEuro ?

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:30 | 1140234 Global Hunter
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(former French colonies), have to get the bauxite out of Guinea, the cotton and gold out of Mali, gold, iron, copper and gold out of Burkina Faso and uranium out of Niger to French business efficiently and in a secure manner somehow.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 09:00 | 1140312 Urban Redneck
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Rumble in Jungle - 2 Sarko v Soros in Conakry 2011. 

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:06 | 1140154 Sudden Debt
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You've been playing the game Tekken a bit to much :)

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:48 | 1140113 magpie
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Dammit Sudden Debt, we need an EU-VAT to pay for the coming Eurobonds.
And to spice up the security detail at that fancy "parliament" building you have...

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:09 | 1140163 Sudden Debt
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The portugese wouldn't be able to afford that. In western Europe taxes of 50 to 55% are commen. How much do those guys pay? I don't think it's any near to 50%.

The portugese, spanish duded, Greeks, Irish and all would become third world countries. It's even been debates that they should adopt those tax rates and that's why most of them riot. But they do want Europe to pick up the bill no strings attached.

Be carefull what you ask for ;)



Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:35 | 1140089 topcallingtroll
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It is hard to believe that six percent bonds is such a.big deal. I had student loans at 9 percent and my first house was 9 percent interest also. The economy was doing ok back then too.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:00 | 1140137 Global Hunter
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Although not particularly wealthy, a socially stable modern Western European sovereign state is borrowing money for 6 months at a rate that is approaching your mortgage.  Ha.  

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:35 | 1140090 Bruce Krasting
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So Portugal borrows at 4 and 6% for 6/12 months, and this is a crisis,

Three years ago these rates would have been about normal. Short term interest rates of 4-5% are not at all unusual for either the dollar or the Euro in recent history.

At some point over the next 24 months the US will issue 6-12 month bills. We will pay 4-5% for that. That will also be a crisis when it happens. But actually it is quite normal.

Funny how much things have changed.



Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:54 | 1140124 traderjoe
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It's a crisis when you borrow at 6%, grow at 1% or less, and have debt to GDP over 100%. Welcome to the debt/death spiral.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:01 | 1140146 Global Hunter
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If this was a one off perhaps, but this is probably the first of many and in some time the most creditworthy will be at this rate.  Sort of puts a damper on this fantastic economic recovery and not to mention the fact that almost every nation has huge debt that will need to be rolled over at significantly higher rates.  Again placing more strains on this fantastic economic recovery. 

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 10:03 | 1140492 Hedgetard55
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+55 Joe.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:15 | 1140184 ZackAttack
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That's pretty much my retirement plan - 10y USTs at 15%.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:29 | 1140227 youngman
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to bad the inflation rate will be 25-30% then

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 09:56 | 1140484 writingsonthewall
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Bruce - things haven't changed - things have simply 'met reality' and once again - reality bites hard on the fantasists.


Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:37 | 1140094 Josephine29
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Where was the European Central Bank when it was needed?As explained below by the economist Shaun Richards it has been trying to shore up the ship for ages.

Actually I can go further as there has only really been one real buyer of Portuguese debt in recent times and it is the European Central Bank via its Securities Markets Programme. It is estimated to hold at least 20% of Portuguese government debt now. If you think about purchases of this size and the markets falls then you can come to only one conclusion there have no virtually no other buyers at all. The various politician’s are quite well off these days they could of course invest their own money….

One clear corollary of this is that the ECB has created a “false market” in Portuguese government debt. It appears to have forgotten that central banks are supposed to stop false markets rather than create them!


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